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Re: [At-Large] Egypt vs internet
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 25, 2008

May 25, 2008

Jacque and all, I find it completely ironic that Robert, yourself or several others of this ML forum are concerned what so ever about Censorship in Egypt ( and yes censorship in Egypt is very prevalent ) when the ALAC itself practices censorship as does the NARALO. Absolutely extraordinary! >:( -----Original Message----- >From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> >Sent: May 25, 2008 9:04 AM >To: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Egypt vs internet > >Personally, I'm OK with 2), and would support ALAC sending a letter to >the Board asking for such assurances, but with regard to 1), I still >ask - raise the issue to whom? What's the specific action you want the >At Large community to take regarding 1)? >Jacqueline >Robert Guerra wrote: >> I'll repeat two specific items that I mentioned in my original message >> to the list on the topic. That being, that I would like to consult the >> at-large community on two specific items: >> >> 1. raise the issue of limitations to freedom of expression and >> censorship that takes place en Egypt, and if the at-large community >> would be interested in raising this - key issue for internet users in >> Egypt . >> >> 2. seek assurances from ICANN that the meeting will be open to all >> internet users that wish to attend the meeting and that the internet >> available at the meeting will be uncensored >> >> >> I await further comments and/or suggestions. >> >> regards >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> On 25-May-08, at 11:25 AM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: >> >> >>> Raise the issue where, to whom? >>> Besides cancelling the Cairo meeting, what else is it likely that >>> ICANN can do? Maybe the ITU might be better suited re freedom of >>> access to the telecomms that are necessary to access the Internet, >>> or the UN or Amnesty International re the human rights of people >>> arrested for civil disobedience or protest - not sure who else >>> works with political prisoners etc. But I'm pretty sure it isn't in >>> the ICANN (or the ALAC) mandate. >>> If ALAC wanted to, as a group of 100 groups, sign a petition, I'd >>> probably back that, but it might be difficult to get all the ALSes >>> to sign, and other than that, I can't see anything else to do - if >>> you have any suggestions, be glad to hear them. >>> Jacqueline >>> Robert Guerra wrote: >>> >>>> Glad you mentioned a reference to global voices. In fact, i >>>> mentioned them earlier . Suffice it to say, that I would hope that >>>> at-large can proactively raise the issue. If it doesn't, likely >>>> there will be others who do... >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> On 25-May-08, at 2:33 AM, WWWhatsup wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Doesn't look too good >>>>> >>>>> http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/16/egypt-torture-for-bloggers-and… >>>>> >>>>> At 17:37 2008-05-23, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 23-May-08, at 5:17 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> And I have no idea what you are talking about re Egypt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> WWWhatsup NYC >>>>> http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ALAC mailing list >>>>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> >>>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ALAC mailing list >>>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> >>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] Egypt vs internet (resending)
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 25, 2008

May 25, 2008

Robert and all, Blocking of Domain Names is much different that DNS poisoning. Blocking of domain names as a result of improper DNS configuration of a Domain name is an appropriate approach to protecting ones self or others whom may be on public mailing lists where a subscriber has a improperly configured DNS for their Domain name. So your statement below is technically misleading and therefore confused accordingly. As such for YOU to inform any unwitting user of anyting along these particular areas of interest and concern would be ill advised it would seem. Therefore our members whom reside in Egypt and the region will very soon be enguaged in insuring that those interested users are aware of such and are not taken in by such improper and far less than accurate technical information that you or the ALAC may, but hopefully will not endorse from you in particular. -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: May 25, 2008 1:39 PM >To: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Egypt vs internet (resending) > >John: > >One of the technical measures used in the the region to implement >censorship of websites - is via blocking and/or poisoning the DNS. >Thus, the discussion is - i believe - is inside ICANN's scope. > >Furthermore, I have also called for outreach efforts that can be >planned well ahead of the fall meeting to inform internet users about >ICANN, and see they can participate in our discussions. That too, i >believe is well inside ALAC's scope and mission > > >regards > >Robert > > > >On 25-May-08, at 4:22 PM, John Levine wrote: > >>> 4a. The role of the At-Large Advisory Committee ("ALAC") shall be to >>> consider and provide advice on the activities of ICANN, insofar as >>> they relate to the interests of individual Internet users. >>> >>> - Individual internet users in Egypt are active online (see refs >>> below). >> >> Individual Internet users do all sorts of stuff. By this logic, we >> should be lobbying in favor of clean drinking water and sanitary >> sewers, too. There are all sorts of things that are virtuous and >> important, but outside ICANN's scope. >> >> ICANN's remit is really quite narrow: DNS, IP allocation, and minor >> IANA registry management. It makes sense to do what we can to >> encourage and enable individuals from north Africa and west Asia to >> participate at the meeting, but beyond that, we're off in the weeds. >> >> R's, >> John > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Board agenda for May 29
by Wendy Seltzer May 25, 2008

May 25, 2008

Below is the agenda for the Board's May meeting. Assuming there's power this time, I will be on the call. Please let me know if there are items on which ALAC or members would like views expressed. Can you please help me to understand before then the final status of the ALAC's participation in the triangle GNSO proposal? Was there ALAC ratification? Does ALAC have views it would like advanced in the discussion of GNSO improvements? Thanks, --Wendy 29 May 2008 Special Meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors Proposed Agenda 1) Approval of the 30 April 2008 Board Minutes 2) President's Report 3) ICANN Meetings Reform Discussion 4) ICANN Paris Meeting Discussion 5) Finance Committee's Update: ICANN Budget and other matters 6) New Board Committee's Discussion 7) Board Governance Committee's Acceptance of Proposal for Formation of Review Working Groups for RSSAC 8) Discussion on Board Review, including discussion of selection of independent third-party board review consultant 9) Update Discussion on New gTLDs 10) GNSO Improvements Report and Update on Implementation Efforts 11) WHOIS Policy Information Update 12) Discussion of Board Tools 13) GNSO Proposal on Absentee Voting 13) Review of GNSO's Motion on Domain Name Tasting 15) PIR's Proposed Implementation of DNSSEC in .ORG 16) Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) Negotiations and Process Update 17) Single-Letter Names at the Second Level Information Update 18) Update Discussions on various Bylaws-Mandated Reviews 19) Compensation Committee Report 20) Other Business -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy(a)seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/

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Re: [At-Large] FW: ICANN Multilingualism and Information Usage Survey
by Elisabeth Porteneuve May 24, 2008

May 24, 2008

Dear All, I just answered the Survey, and wanted to make a public comment, but there is no more ANY ICANN place one can write: * Icann Blog http://blog.icann.org/ is for Some-Selected-People only, * Public Comments http://www.icann.org/public_comment/ are Forum-By-Topic, and this survey is not classified as a public comment topic. My apologies I use At Large list - actually I do not know, and could not figure out if I fit here by some rule, or I am just tolerated here. If At Large is not a place I fit in, what is the right place for me ? The place I can meet ICANN's participants from the whole world ? My comment about the Survey is following: when I answer ANY survey, I like to receive an email copy of what I actually wrote. It seems to me as a basic fairness, especially when the Survey states up front that all answers are publics for some people (not only the company making survey). Kind regards, Elisabeth Porteneuve

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ALAC Teleconference 27 May 1330 UTC
by Matthias Langenegger May 24, 2008

May 24, 2008

Dear all, This is to remind you about the upcoming ALAC teleconference on Tuesday, 27 May at 1330 UTC. We received one apology in respect to the email Nick sent out earlier this week so there should be quorum for this call. The meeting will resume the issues that the ALAC was not able to discuss on their last meeting due to time constraints. Please find a meeting agenda and participation instructions on the link below. The meeting will have French and Spanish interpretation. https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?27_may_2008 Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger At-Large Coordination Officer Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger

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Re: [At-Large] ALAC Action Requested on Privacy
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 24, 2008

May 24, 2008

John and all, There should be no preference as registrants are also users. Registrants should have no more or no less level of privacy that any non-registrant user has and is guarenteed them under the law of their country of origin or domocile. -----Original Message----- >From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Sent: May 23, 2008 5:13 PM >To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC Action Requested on Privacy > >> Privacy is a fundamental human right recognized in the UN Declaration of >> Human Rights, the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights >> and in many other international and regional treaties. If you require >> some basic information on privacy rights as they exist in your >> jurisdiction, please feel free to contact: > >Sounds great. So are we agreed that a core value of ICANN should be to >protect the privacy of all individual Internet users, without giving >preference to the small minority who have registered domains? > >Regards, >John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", >Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor >"More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] ALAC Action Requested on Privacy
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 24, 2008

May 24, 2008

Michele and all, Agreed. Lets not forget that the only "Privacy Provider" for individuals privacy is the individual him/herself. No legislation or regulation of whatever sort, should allow criminals to hide, and those that are in violation as we have all recently seem with the errant News spam to this forum is included. Intentional Spam is a crime. Failure to report such is also a crime. -----Original Message----- >From: Michele Neylon <michele(a)blacknight.ie> >Sent: May 23, 2008 5:37 PM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC Action Requested on Privacy > >I'd support Danny in this quite happily. > >The counter-arguments that have been raised all work on the basis that >privacy equates with privacy providers. That doesn't have to be the case. > >If you register a .ie, co.uk or a .eu you are granted a degree of >privacy be default in line with EU legislation. > >That does not mean that a criminal can hide. > >Regards > >Michele > > >-- >Mr Michele Neylon >Blacknight Solutions >Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection >http://www.blacknight.com/ >http://blog.blacknight.com/ >Tel. 1850 929 929 >Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 >------------------------------- >Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [At-Large] ALAC Action Requested on Privacy
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 24, 2008

May 24, 2008

Vini and all, Well at least we agree on a few important things, but still disagree on others. That's progress! >:) First, no one of reasonable intelligence believes anything Wikipedia says about any organization or individual for well documented reasons. Second, Geneva Conventions were and sometimes still are convenient when things are not going so well for some group or nation in turmoil, than when things settle down, the Geneva conventions are easily ignored and ignored routinely. Third, Bulgaria was smart and remains so in not having a credit card system, however ICANN early on in 1999 mandated the need for a credit card for registering a Domain Name despite that being a restraint of trade and a disadvantage to countries like Bulgaria. It is true that issues that concern the good ole USA are not always shared by other countries especially those countries that are not democratic, are run by dictators or military junta's. And that is how things should be, so let those countries develop, deploy and market their own Internet anchored by their respective ccTLD's. I am sure that Estonia would be happy to help Bulgaria develop their own Internet as I am just as sure that Iran would be more than happy to help Iraq and Afghanistan develop theirs as well. >:) But frankly I believe the largess of the rest of the world can do without the additional spam. All this chatter about what should be "Core Values" is nothing new in the ICANN jaundra, it is only being rehashed. Yet if ICANN ever expects to break away for US control, it will need to be very strong in it's "Core Values" that the US has historically supported and espoused for decades. -----Original Message----- >From: Veni Markovski <veni(a)veni.com> >Sent: May 23, 2008 7:19 PM >To: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info>, At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC Action Requested on Privacy > >Hi. > >As long as we talk about conventions, how about the Geneva conventions >( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions ) ? > >ICANN should treat PoW civilized, and should not use chemical weapons. > >Of course, one can only wonder how amazingly different topics could be >produced on this list, which cause people to waste time to read and >respond to them. > >Privacy issues are quite different in the USA (where they will take >your phone number in any grocery "for the discounts card"), in >Bulgaria, where social security numbers, SSN, can be found in any >federal, regional or municipal institution ( but then, the SSN is of >no usage, as there is no working credit card system), or in Canada, or >in Denmark or Sweden. Or in China, Australia, South Africa, etc. > >The problems that are of concern for the American At Large members are >not necessarily the ones of concern for the rest of the world. > >Ah, and let's not forget also the interest of the commercial >registrants for their own privacy (and in some cases at the users' >expense) > >Best, >Veni > > > > >On 5/23/08, Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> wrote: >> Before we start making a laundry list of values - let's first review >> existing statements and values mentioned both by users and At-large. >> Privacy is such a core value - and I support - Danny's proposal that >> privacy be added as a core value. >> >> On the topic of additional values - instead of listing individual >> rights (such as privacy, gender, etc) we might want instead to focus >> on having ICANN adopt as a key value - a strong endorsement of the >> international norms such as the Vienna convention on human rights. The >> logic being, if it wants to act as an international body - they it >> should adopt and promote rights already agreed to by the international >> community. >> >> >> http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/A.CONF.157.23.En >> >> >> regards >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> On 23-May-08, at 3:26 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: >> >>> Hi Danny >>> Not to say I agree or disagree, but I would like to ask - why privacy >>> as a core value and not for example adding gender into core value #4 >>> (functional, geographic, and cultural diversity ) >>> Why is privacy a core value in your opinion? >>> Jacqueline >>> Danny Younger wrote: >>>> Dear members of the ALAC: >>>> >>>> As you may be aware, privacy is not an ICANN "Core >>>> Value". The word "privacy" does not appear within the >>>> bylaws. I am of the view that ICANN would be well >>>> served by articulating that it respects privacy. >>>> >>>> If we ultimately seek to arrive at a consensus on the >>>> fundamental issue of protection of personal privacy, >>>> we need to have a starting point to stimulate >>>> ICANN-wide discussion. Accordingly, I am asking you >>>> to drive home this point by petitioning the ICANN >>>> Board to amend its core values section in the bylaws >>>> so that privacy may come to be acknowledged as a value >>>> to be respected. >>>> >>>> I look forward to your comments. >>>> >>>> Danny Younger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ALAC mailing list >>>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> >>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > >-- >Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Testing IPv6
by WWWhatsup May 23, 2008

May 23, 2008

> >This article appeared today on a Canadian IT website: > >http://vip.itworldcanada.com/t?r=2&c=8440&l=7158&ctl=39C07:C6754470ADC4CFC8… In that article it says: >One sign that demand for IPv6 is growing -- and also a good way to test if your own Internet connection is ready for IPv6 -- is Google's introduction of direct access to its search engine for IPv6 users, which the company announced on its official blog on Tuesday. The address ipv6.google.com will only work if you have an IPv6 connection, according to Google. Much to my surprise that, while it doesn't eork on my XP SP3 box, http://ipv6.google.com/ works fine in IE7 on my vanilla Vista box connected via Verizon (aka the VVV :) The teredo tunneling protocol is suppoosedly built in to Vista by default, but I still find it hard to credit that it works out of the box, and supposedly it's in XP SP2 too, so that can't be it. I had tested a sample video stream mentioned on nanog last week (it's supposed to go full screen PAL @ 1.5mpbs if you have IPv6 - otherwise it's 320x240 @400kpbs ) with no joy - http://master.nacevi.cz/ct24v6.asp I note that the intriguing http://www.ipv6experiment.com/ is yet to go onstream. Joly MacFie http://isoc-ny.org --------------------------------------------------------------- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [At-Large] Privacy, rights and fall meeting..
by Jacqueline A. Morris May 23, 2008

May 23, 2008

Well - I don't. Jacqueline. Of course, Jacque might, whoever that may be! Jeffrey A. Williams wrote: > Jacque and all, > > If I understand you correctly you want non discrimination > due to gender added as a "Core Value" re the Egypt fall meeting, > and if not, than privacy should also not be added or is redundant. > I do strongly agree as a "Core Value" non discrimination due > to race, gender or condition of servitude should be such > "Core Values" and so added accordingly and specifically. > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> >> Sent: May 23, 2008 2:17 PM >> To: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Privacy, rights and fall meeting.. >> >> All I asked is WHY it's important to you and Danny. If you don't want to >> answer, fine. >> I NEVER suggested that we act to have gender be added - I simply noted >> that it wasn't there (as many other values aren't) so why do you guys >> want privacy added? >> And I have no idea what you are talking about re Egypt. >> Jacqueline >> >> Robert Guerra wrote: >> >>> Jacqueline: >>> >>> Have we had discussions about gender before in regards to icann >>> policy? Is there a working group, policy group that is talking about >>> gender? have any user groups and/or at-large groups raised the issue >>> before? >>> I don't think so. If you want to start that - new - discussion, please >>> feel free to do so. >>> >>> At-large groups have commented on the importance of privacy, and such >>> - it is the reason I am supportive of Danny's proposal. I'm not saying >>> one right is more important then the other - just that ALAC has raised >>> the right of Privacy as a right before and we should include it as a >>> core value. >>> >>> Of course, having ICANN adopt and include more comprehensive core >>> values that are support of human rights would be most welcome. As >>> I've mentioned before, instead of including a laundry list of rights >>> to include (and ones to exclude) at-large might prefer instead to >>> support that ICANN adopt the UNDHR as a core value. Countries have >>> done so at the UN - icann should as well. >>> >>> btw. I still haven't gotten any comments from you or others on the >>> ALAC in regards to my request to ICANN management to state if they >>> will seek assurances from the Egyptian authorities that users from >>> both Egypt and the region will be able to freely attend the meeting >>> and have access to an unfiltered internet. In short I am most >>> disappointed that ALAC and the at-large community seems mostly >>> silent on the issue.. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23-May-08, at 4:08 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> hi Robert >>>> Since you also indicate that you think privacy is a core value, I >>>> will ask you the question as well - what in your opinion makes >>>> privacy a core value? What are the reasons? I can see gender being a >>>> core value , it's pretty universal, I can see cultural diversity - >>>> pretty much universal as well - basically all the human rights >>>> ones. Privacy isn't a value enshrined in consitutions and cultures >>>> universally AFAIK. So it will help explain it if you guys could say >>>> what it is, and why it's a core value. >>>> >>>> Jacqueline >>>> Robert Guerra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Before we start making a laundry list of values - let's first >>>>> review existing statements and values mentioned both by users and >>>>> At-large. Privacy is such a core value - and I support - Danny's >>>>> proposal that privacy be added as a core value. >>>>> >>>>> On the topic of additional values - instead of listing individual >>>>> rights (such as privacy, gender, etc) we might want instead to >>>>> focus on having ICANN adopt as a key value - a strong endorsement >>>>> of the international norms such as the Vienna convention on human >>>>> rights. The logic being, if it wants to act as an international >>>>> body - they it should adopt and promote rights already agreed to >>>>> by the international community. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/A.CONF.157.23.En >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23-May-08, at 3:26 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Danny >>>>>> Not to say I agree or disagree, but I would like to ask - why >>>>>> privacy >>>>>> as a core value and not for example adding gender into core value #4 >>>>>> (functional, geographic, and cultural diversity ) >>>>>> Why is privacy a core value in your opinion? >>>>>> Jacqueline >>>>>> Danny Younger wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear members of the ALAC: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you may be aware, privacy is not an ICANN "Core >>>>>>> Value". The word "privacy" does not appear within the >>>>>>> bylaws. I am of the view that ICANN would be well >>>>>>> served by articulating that it respects privacy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we ultimately seek to arrive at a consensus on the >>>>>>> fundamental issue of protection of personal privacy, >>>>>>> we need to have a starting point to stimulate >>>>>>> ICANN-wide discussion. Accordingly, I am asking you >>>>>>> to drive home this point by petitioning the ICANN >>>>>>> Board to amend its core values section in the bylaws >>>>>>> so that privacy may come to be acknowledged as a value >>>>>>> to be respected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I look forward to your comments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Danny Younger >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> ALAC mailing list >>>>>>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> ALAC mailing list >>>>>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> >>>>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ALAC mailing list >>>>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> >>>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > > Regards, > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - > Abraham Lincoln > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." > United States v. 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