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Notes from the Latin GP Repertoire group conference call held on June 6th, 2017.
by Mirjana Tasić June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Dear colleagues, Here are some notes from the Latin GP Repertoire group conference call held on June 6th, 2017. If I missed some discussions, please correct me. Comments, corrections, suggestions are very appreciated. Regards Mirjana --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda I. Roll call II. Discussion – How to proceed with work III. AOB Notes: 1. Roll call: Following GP members were present on the call: Dennis Tan Jean Paul Mats Dufberg Meikal Mumin Mirjana Tasić Nebiye Petek Kurtböke Sarmad Hussain Excused: Ahmed Bakhat Masood 1. How to proceed with work After discussion, the members have agreed to the following: 1. Mirjana will try to produce draft Principles starting from Ahmed’s Proposal for Principles of inclusion and exclusions of code points for Latin Script LGR for the Root Zone. 2. Meikal has proposed the following approach for getting some experience before finalizing Principles: a. Produce a list of EGIDS scale 1 languages and put it on Google Docs or something for everyone to see b. Ask Latin GP members by an email the group, if they would like to volunteer to pick one or two languages of their own liking from that list, and make note of their individual choice in that list, for example in a column c. The volunteer could then research and see what kind of information she or he can find, documenting the letters and other marks used by that language, and the equivalent code points d. Take note of the entire set of information (screenshot, copy & paste a list, whatever works) e. Take note of such cases, which the volunteer is finds complicated for whatever reason f. Let's discuss the whole experience and the complicated cases and the difficulties faced in researching Meikal further discussion: “We can always reuse that information to feed into the final proposal. I think that exercise will give us all an idea how easy or difficult it may be to identify the letters and other marks used by a language and to match them up with code points. I think this practical approach will be more helpful in understanding rather than doing permutation of what may or may not be possible in orthographies. The aim is to understand which type of letters and marks may become complicated so that we should decide as a group eventually how to deal with such cases generally, and express that decision in a set of principles Obviously, this suggestion takes as starting point that we analyze the repertoire language by language, not code point by code point for example, starting with the most widely used ones, as suggested by their individual EGIDS rating, and this also implies that we actively confirm the use of single code points, rather than exclude code points available for use in MSR-2.” 3. Mirjana has proposed to produce instruction how to proceed with language processing based on the previous experience, when group was trying to figure out how many minutes is necessary to process one language. Some organization is necessary so that we shall not duplicate our efforts, and keep track what languages are processed. Members of the Repertoire group should do their best to try to process at least 3 languages using provided instructions.

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Minutes from the conference call , June 13th, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Dear colleagues, Here are some notes from the Latin GP conference call held on June 13th, 2017. If I missed some discussions, please correct me. Comments, corrections, suggestions are very appreciated. Regards Mirjana --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda I. Roll call II. Short report from Variant group III. Short report from Repertoire group IV. Agenda for the Istanbul meeting V. AOB Notes: I. Roll call: Following GP members were present on the call: Ahmed Bakht Bill Jouris Dennis Tan Hazem Hazzeh Jean Paul Mats Dufberg Meikal Mumin Michael Bouland Mirjana Tasić Sarmad Hussain Excused: none II. Short report from the Variant group Denis (or Bill?) has reported that the group has prepared document for F2F meeting. Draft Variants document is available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNXPxAsquUJSQ5jRimMYjz3Es_sX-f1JRhi4Cbw… Group is preparing Power Point presentation, too. III. Short report from Repertoire group Mirjana gave short report on progress in repertoire group. Group has prepared some working material for collecting experience in processing languages. This experience will be useful during discussions on Principles for inclusion and exclusion of Repertoire code points. Working material could be found on Google docs: 02-REP-LanguageAZ-EGIDS-1-4.docx https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mOIzm5EfpFJmMZmxsrloKdQsqRo8q9hYRcCmw_fxX… 02-REP-LatinPart-MSR2-Attestation https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fFe-uo5Gbh6nxf3c8LIoP_UvOpGN9lH-8Ro… Draft Instructions 02-TEST-How-to-attest-letters-in-Latin-languages.docx https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kwuUGgScE8astSs14jPTC3OiZZIIoPaxP_bV9Mi… Draft principles for inclusion and exclusion of Repertoire code points https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yV9tq5egJwpLmJZ8deQapm0rPnIF8q5p1k_dnV-bg… GP members are free to add their comments and suggestions to this document. It is very useful to have some comments before F2F meeting, especially from GP members who will not be present in person during F2F meeting. Meikal mentioned that Mirjana suggested in her previous instructions to Repertoire group, that every member was asked to process 3-5 languages, instead 1-2, before F2F meeting. Please, Repertoire group members, try to process 1-2 languages before F2F meeting using the document Draft instructions. IV. Agenda for the Istanbul meeting After some discussion on Agenda for Istanbul meeting, GP members have agreed that one second day time slot, should be devoted to Instructions how to attest letters in Latin repertoire. Sarmad updated Agenda accordingly: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1myKxtzvvdgdK3Va4SvB5TjVG3rL6nJJRgp1… V. AOB GP members have discussed the transport from Ataturk airport to the hotel. Sarmad will provide some information about it in mail.

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Agenda for Latin GP meetings - 1200 noon UTC Tuesdays - fortnightly
by Mirjana Tasić June 12, 2017

June 12, 2017

Dear GP members here is the proposed agenda for tomorrow conference call 1. Roll call 2. Short report on progress of the Repertoire group 3. Short report on progress of the Variant group 4. Agenda for the Istanbul meeting 5. AOB Any comments, ideas, proposals are welcome. Regards Mirjana

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Latin GP meetings - 1200 noon UTC Tuesdays - fortnightly
by Sarmad Hussain June 12, 2017

June 12, 2017

We will have a Latin GP call on 13 June at 12noon UTC time this week. This is a gentle reminder. Regards, Sarmad How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Instructions for processing languages before our F2F meeting
by Mirjana Tasić June 10, 2017

June 10, 2017

Dear GP Repertoire group members Please find in the attachment instructions how to proceed with language processing. These instructions are the initial one. It took me more time than I expected. I hope you will all find the time to process at least 3 – 5 languages. If anything appears during processing, and it is not explained in the instructions, please write a note in free form somewhere, and take these notes with you. We shall discuss these issues during our F2F meeting. If some instructions are not clear, please do not hesitate to rise the problem. We shall correct the instructions as our work progress. Best regards Mirjana

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Proposed agenda for F2F meeting in Istanbul
by Mirjana Tasić June 8, 2017

June 8, 2017

Dear GP members, Please, have a look at my proposal for Agenda for F2F meeting in Istanbul. I had some dilemma how to proceed with it, shall I ask members to volunteer for chairing specific topics, or shall I propose chairing persons. I have chosen the second approach, and I have proposed chairing persons. I have not consulted any member in advance. If anyone is not comfortable with my proposal, please send me a message, I shall look for replacement. If there is any topic of interest which is not covered, please give me a note, I will add it to Agenda. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1myKxtzvvdgdK3Va4SvB5TjVG3rL6nJJRgp1… Regards Mirjana

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Re: [Latingp] Proposed agenda for F2F meeting in Istanbul
by Mats Dufberg June 8, 2017

June 8, 2017

Mirjana, One of the items is 130pm - 300pm Tutorial on Repertoire Analysis Mats Dufberg I am not sure if I can hold a tutorial, but I could chair a work shop where several participants can share their experience of doing repertoire analysis. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Wednesday 7 June 2017 at 19:38 To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Proposed agenda for F2F meeting in Istanbul Dear GP members, Please, have a look at my proposal for Agenda for F2F meeting in Istanbul. I had some dilemma how to proceed with it, shall I ask members to volunteer for chairing specific topics, or shall I propose chairing persons. I have chosen the second approach, and I have proposed chairing persons. I have not consulted any member in advance. If anyone is not comfortable with my proposal, please send me a message, I shall look for replacement. If there is any topic of interest which is not covered, please give me a note, I will add it to Agenda. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1myKxtzvvdgdK3Va4SvB5TjVG3rL6nJJRgp1… Regards Mirjana

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Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić June 7, 2017

June 7, 2017

Dear colleagues, Here are some notes from the conference call held on May 30, 2017. If I missed some discussions, please correct me. Comments, corrections, suggestions are very appreciated. Regards Mirjana --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda I. Roll call II. Short report from the first meeting of Repertoire group III. Short reports from the first meeting of Variant group IV. Discussion about F2F meeting Agenda V. AOB Notes: 1. Roll call: Following GP members were present on the call: Bill Jouris Dennis Tan Fiammetta Caccavale Sarmad Hussain Mats Dufberg Mirjana Tasić Ahmed Bakhat Masood Excused: Meikal Mumin, Michael Bauland, Ousmane Moussa Tessa, Hazem Hezzah 1. Short report from Repertoire Group call Nebiye Petek Kurtböke sent the notes from Repertoire Group meeting as follows: 1. Sarmad shared ARABIC GP's work to set an example 2. Highlighted the issue of 'combined marks' and how they should be treated 3. They should be treated as Sequences rather than code points 4. Mirjana thinks diacritics by themselves should be excluded 5. Sarmad underlined 'contextual motivation' 6. In the course of our work new code points are expected to be discovered and we'll move on from MSR2 to MSR3 7. What to do with letters not existing in MSR2 8. Are the principles used by the other script groups (eg arabic) applicable to Latin? 9. How to draft new principles? 10. First round of RGIDS languages 1-4 to be circulated (180). After the Repertoire group meeting Mats Dufberg sent the proposal how the group could proceed: 1. Accept the Arabic GP principles as preliminary principles. 2. Doing the following in parallel: * Start working on languages with EGIDS code 0-3. * Revise and update the principles as needed 3. Set the principles for Latin GP 4. Continue the work with the languages. 5. We should not hesitate to update the principles again after they are set if needed. Ahmet Bakhat Massod commented the Repertoire Group meeting: “Repertoire group should convene its meetings to identify code points and a presentation be prepared for discussion during Face to Face meeting” 1. Short report from Variant Group call Denis Tan has informed GP members about first meeting of the Variant Group. After the call Denis sent the following report to GP mailing list: NOTES: * Reviewed summary of body of knowledge of Latin Variants (for TLDs) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w76ObHKBuhlMh4ajX07M1x9eNSUiCuhHTq9sNza… * Discussed criteria for variants in the Latin script): * IP’s expectation clearly limits the scope of variants for the Latin script. Their views are supported by other past work products (e.g. Considerations in the Use of the Latin Script in Variant Internationalized Top-Level Domains) * Latin GP may recommend that strong similarity review mechanisms are in place when processing gTLD applications in future rounds to minimize delegation of confusable TLDs. * Draft principle 1: Variants in Latin script will be limited to homoglyphs (i.e. code points designed by Unicode to look identical) * Variant WG will be looking at in-script and cross-script variants. * We need to review code point sequences that involve more than one diacritic. * For cross-script variants we will be looking at Cyrillic, Armenian and Greek work. As well as Unicode’s intentional and confusable character lists. Bill will also share a work of his own. 1. Discussion about F2F meeting Agenda Sarmad proposed the template for organization of F2F meeting in Istanbul. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1myKxtzvvdgdK3Va4SvB5TjVG3rL6nJJRgp1… - gid=0<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1myKxtzvvdgdK3Va4SvB5TjVG3rL6nJJRgp1…> GP members are asked to consider the proposal, to add some more interesting topics for discussion, and to volunteer for chairing different topics. Ahmed Bakhat add topic: “It was proposed to start presentation from Mirjana to briefly communicate how the panel was formed and Chris started chairing the group and submitted 1st draft proposal to ICANN, later on, Mirjana took the lead and worked to sort out issues raised by ICANN and managed to submit final proposal, which was finally accepted by ICANN. She may also communicate the way forward for group”

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[lgr] ICANN News Alert -- Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone Version 2 (RZ-LGR-2)
by Sarmad Hussain June 7, 2017

June 7, 2017

Dear All, We would like to inform you that the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone Version 2 (RZ-LGR-2) has been released for public comment: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rz-lgr-2-2017-06-06-en. The second version of the Root Zone LGR integrates proposals from six scripts: Arabic, Ethiopic, Georgian, Lao, Thai and Khmer. Armenian script Generation Panel has also finalized their work but its proposal has been deferred from integration until proposals from related scripts are received. Please see the “Overview and Summary” document for more details: https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/lgr/lgr-2-overview-01jun17-en.pdf. We look forward to your review and comments. Regards, Sarmad News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2017-06-06-en[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…> ________________________________ Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone Version 2 (RZ-LGR-2) 6 June 2017 Open Date: 6 June 2017 Close Date: 24 July 2017 Originating Organization: Global Domains Division Categories/Tags: Top-Level Domains Brief Overview: To determine valid top-level Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) labels and their variant labels, the community had finalized the Procedure to Develop and Maintain the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone in Respect of IDNA Labels[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_syste…> [PDF, 1.39 MB]. The Procedure requires community-based Generation Panels (GPs), organized for relevant scripts, to convene and propose specific rules. These rules are evaluated and then integrated into the Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR) by the Integration Panel (IP). The Integration Panel (IP) has successfully evaluated the Root Zone Label Generation Rules (LGR) Proposals[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> for five additional scripts, Ethiopic, Georgian, Lao, Khmer and Thai, submitted by the respective GPs, following the release of these individual proposals for public comments. The IP has integrated these proposals, along with Arabic script already integrated into the first version of the Root Zone LGR (RZ-LGR-1[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…>), to develop the second version of the Root Zone LGR (RZ-LGR-2[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_sites_de…> [PDF, 891 KB]). As per the Procedure, RZ-LGR-2 is being released for public comments to gather community feedback for its finalization. Link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rz-lgr-2-2017-06-06-en[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2…> _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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Latin GP Repertoire WG meeting - alternate Tuesdays 5pm UTC
by Sarmad Hussain June 6, 2017

June 6, 2017

Dear All, Repertoire WG will meet at 5pm UTC on 6 June 2017. Regards, Sarmad How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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