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Latin-Cyrillic cross-script analysis
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Aug. 2, 2018

Aug. 2, 2018

Latin GP, As a follow up to our meeting last week, here is the revised document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y…. However, there are still 9 cases that need to be resolve. These are the cases where there is a mixed of visual scores. Please use the comment boxes to propose a method for resolution, that is consistent with our inclusion principles. While we solve for the Latin/Cyrillic cases I will start looking at the Greek and Armenian worksheets and apply the same framework to determine inclusion/exclusion of variant candidates. Best, Dennis

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Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 31, 2018

July 31, 2018

Dear Latin GP members , Please find the agenda for Latin GP meeting on Thursday, August the 2nd, 2018, 16:00UTC AGENDA for the GP call on August the 2nd, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Face to face meeting in September or October- final dates 3. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 4. IP comments on repertoire - discussion on a few more comments https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ucbOomIbJys4l4bUQyKuyrg8bP3QXFdEngxeA0d… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 5. Next telephone conference August the 16th 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan ---------------------------- Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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AGENDA for the GP call on August the 2nd, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić July 30, 2018

July 30, 2018

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Pitinan will send the remainder the day before the call. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on August the 2nd, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Face to face meeting in September or October- final dates 3. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y… 1. IP comments on repertoire – discussion on a few more comments https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ucbOomIbJys4l4bUQyKuyrg8bP3QXFdEngxeA0d… 1. Next telephone conference August the 16th 2. AOB

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[lgr] FW: ICANN News Alert -- Proposals for Devanagari, Gurmukhi, and Gujarati Scripts' Root Zone‬ Label Generation Rules
by Sarmad Hussain July 28, 2018

July 28, 2018

Dear All, We are pleased to announce that the Neo-Brahmi GP has finalized and published Root Zone LGR proposals for three scripts: Devanagari, Gurmukhi and Gujarati. See below for further details (see the complete list of proposals published here <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-proposals-2015-12-01-en> ). We look forward to the comments and feedback from the community. Regards, Sarmad News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-27-en [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…> _____ Proposals for Devanagari, Gurmukhi, and Gujarati Scripts' Root Zone Label Generation Rules 27 July 2018 Open Date: 27 July 2018 Close Date: 10 September 2018 Originating Organization: Global Domains Division Categories/Tags: Top-Level Domains Brief Overview: The Neo-Brahmi Script Generation Panel (NBGP) was formed by nine communities that use scripts derived from the Brahmi script. NBGP is developing Root Zone Label Generation Rules (LGR) for Bengali, Devanagari, Gujarati, Gurmukhi, Kannada, Malayalam, Oriya, Tamil and Telugu scripts. The GP intends to publish the proposals for the LGRs of these nine scripts in three sets, releasing proposals for the scripts which share cross-script variant code points together to the extent possible. The first set includes the following: (1) Proposal for the Devanagari Script Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone, (2) Proposal for the Gurmukhi Script Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone, and (3) Proposal for the Gujarati Script Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. As per the LGR Procedure [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_syste…> , these proposals are being posted for public comments to allow those who have not participated in the NBGP to make their views known. Based on the feedback, the NBGP will finalize each proposal for its evaluation and integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. Link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/devanagari-gurmukhi-gujarati-scripts-… [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2…> _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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Latin GP Face to Face meeting
by Sarmad Hussain July 27, 2018

July 27, 2018

Dear All, Thank you for responding. We are proceeding to start planning for the Latin GP face to face meeting in Brussels from 1-3 October (earlier dates are unfortunately clashing with an internal meeting). These dates seem to work for all those who have responded. Kindly mark these dates in our calendar. We also have limited travel support for Latin GP members to attend this meeting. If you are interested to apply for this support, kindly email to IDNProgram(a)icann.org <mailto:IDNProgram@icann.org> by 29 July 2018. In case we get more requests than we can support, we will consult with the Latin GP chair and finalize the travel support, based on active participation in the Latin GP work. Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: Latingp [mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sarmad Hussain Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:16 PM To: latingp(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Latingp] Latin GP Face to Face meeting Dear All, Thank you for responding. I also wanted to check if an alternate set of dates 1-3 October would also be possible. Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: Latingp [ <mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org> mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michael Bauland Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:06 AM To: <mailto:latingp@icann.org> latingp(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Latingp] Latin GP Face to Face meeting Dear Sarmad, the dates are fine for me. Thanks, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: <mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: <mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list <mailto:Latingp@icann.org> Latingp(a)icann.org <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp

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[lgr] FW: ICANN News Alert -- Recommendations for Managing IDN Variant Top-Level Domains
by Sarmad Hussain July 26, 2018

July 26, 2018

Dear All, Recommendations for Managing IDN Variant Top-Level Domains <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/managing-idn-variant-tlds-2018-07-25-…> have been announced for public comment. We look forward to your input. Regards, Sarmad News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-25-en [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…> _____ Recommendations for Managing IDN Variant Top-Level Domains 25 July 2018 Open Date: 25 July 2018 Close Date: 3 September 2018 Originating Organization: Global Domains Division Categories/Tags: Top-Level Domains Brief Overview: Recommendations for managing Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) variant labels for top level domains (TLDs) have been developed by ICANN organization. The relevant materials along with these proposed recommendations are being published to seek community feedback. The community has identified a need for IDN variant TLDs; however, the ICANN Board resolved on 25 September 2010 that "no variants of gTLDs will be delegated ... until appropriate variant management solutions are developed." Subsequent work by ICANN organization and the community led to the identification of two issues: (i) there is no accepted definition for variant TLDs, and (ii) there is no 'variant management' mechanism for TLDs. For the first issue, the Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR) Procedure was developed with the support of the community and adopted by the ICANN Board on 11 April 2013 for implementation. The Procedure has been implemented and RZ-LGR has been developed for six scripts, and other scripts are being added as their proposals are finalized by the relevant script communities. For the second issue, ICANN organization has undertaken a detailed examination to propose a set of recommendations for variant management mechanisms for TLDs, which will be finalized based on the community input. The finalized recommendations will be presented to the ICANN Board, anticipated in March 2019. At that time, the ICANN Board will be requested to consider these recommendations to allow for implementing IDN variant TLDs. Link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/managing-idn-variant-tlds-2018-07-25-… [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2…> _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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Re: [Latingp] Codepoints from Esperanto
by Bill Jouris July 25, 2018

July 25, 2018

Hi Mirjana, I have updated https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF7… - to reflect the code points from Esperanto listed in the email below. - to add tabs for those letters which had been omitted because there was only one code point. (And now we have, for example, a second J code point.) I have also taken the liberty of adding a column to each letter tab to give the Unicode for each code point. I think that will make it easier, once we identify variants, to record exactly which code points are involved. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 3:54 PM Subject: Codepoints from Esperanto The following code points occur in Esperanto, but are not previously included in our Repertoire: Unicode Glyph Unicode Name 0109 ĉ Latin Small Letter C with Circumflex 011D ĝ Latin Small Letter G with Circumflex 0125 ĥ Latin Small Letter H with Circumflex 0135 ĵ Latin Small Letter J with Circumflex 016D ŭ Latin Small Letter U with Breve In addition, we had included 015D ŝ Latin Small Letter S with Circumflex This in our repertoire, but the only example was from Tswa, which is EGIDS 5 -- which the IP apparently doesn't consider sufficient for inclusion. So we may want to modify the entry to reflect Esperanto there. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Re: [Latingp] Repertoire and Latin Extended A
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 23, 2018

July 23, 2018

Hi Mats …. have we used the corresponding ccTLD’s repertoires too? For example, 014F and 00FF are included in DENIC’s table. And for Swedish, dotSE’s latin table is larger than ICANN’s reference LGR. -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Date: Monday, July 23, 2018 at 9:52 AM To: Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de>, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com>, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Cc: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Repertoire and Latin Extended A Mirjana, Since I promised to review the second-level LGRs to see if there are any characters in any of those languages that we have not include I have also done that and this is my findings (Bill and Meikal have at least looked at some of them): U+00FF is included for French. Omniglot does not list it, but Wikipedia does. U+0157 is included for Latvian. Omniglog does not list it. Wikipedia does, but today only used in diaspora (as Meikal pointed out). The other missing code-points from Latin Extended-A were not found. Code points I looked at: 00FF LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS (French) 0109 LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CIRCUMFLEX 0125 LATIN SMALL LETTER H WITH CIRCUMFLEX 0135 LATIN SMALL LETTER J WITH CIRCUMFLEX 014F LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH BREVE 0157 LATIN SMALL LETTER R WITH CEDILLA (Latvian) 0163 LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH CEDILLA 0177 LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH CIRCUMFLEX The LGRs can be found at https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/second-level-lgr-2015-06-21-en * A comment to Bill and Meikal: The LGR for German and Spanish lists U+014F (ŏ) LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH BREVE as *excluded* not as included. You have to go down to “repertoire by code point” to see what is included. They also have a concept of “extended code point” which is in between included and excluded, e.g. U+00E0 for Spanish. Ÿ (U+00FF) is neither included in English nor German. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de> Date: Monday, 23 July 2018 at 00:11 To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> Cc: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Repertoire and Latin Extended A Dear colleagues, On 22 July 2018 at 21:49, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> wrote: Hi Mirjana, I've reviewed the repertoire we have (after adding Esperanto) and compared it to the Unicode table's Basic Latin, Latin-1 Supplement, and Latin Extended-A codepoints. The following entries from Latin-1 Supplement are included in MSR-2, but not included in our repertoire: 00FF ÿ Latin Small Letter Y with Diaeresis This occurs rarely in personal names in German https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%B8#Franz%C3%B6sisch and in French in place names amongst others (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%B8#Fran%C3%A7ais) The following entries from Latin Extended-A are included in MSR-3 but not included in our repertoire: 014F ŏ Latin Small Letter O with Breve 0157 ŗ Latin Small Letter R with Cedilla FYI ÿ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for English (much to my amazement, as I have never encountered it previously), but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language. A quick search did not yield any evidence for English, but German - see above. ŏ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for Spanish, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language. A quick search did not yield any supporting evidence. ŗ is listed in the ICANN LGR for Latvian, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR. This https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%96 says it was used historically in Lativian. This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_orthography clarifies that it is part of an older orthography still in use in diaspora communities. LGR for language deu-Latn — German<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/lgr-second-level-ger…> LGR for language deu-Latn — German This is way larger than the set of characters used in German, even taking into consideration loans and borrowings from other languages. I would be interested to know who developed this on what basis. Some sources are 404. LGR for language eng-Latn — English <https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/lgr-second-level-eng…> LGR for language eng-Latn — English LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/lgr-second-level-spa…> LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp Best, Meikal

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Repertoire and Latin Extended A
by Bill Jouris July 23, 2018

July 23, 2018

Hi Mirjana, I've reviewed the repertoire we have (after adding Esperanto) and compared it to the Unicode table's Basic Latin, Latin-1 Supplement, and Latin Extended-A codepoints. The following entries from Latin-1 Supplement are included in MSR-2, but not included in our repertoire:00FF ÿ Latin Small Letter Y with Diaeresis The following entries from Latin Extended-A are included in MSR-3 but not included in our repertoire: 014F ŏ Latin Small Letter O with Breve0157 ŗ Latin Small Letter R with Cedilla FYI ÿ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for English (much to my amazement, as I have never encountered it previously), but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language.ŏ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for Spanish, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language. ŗ is listed in the ICANN LGR for Latvian, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR. LGR for language deu-Latn — German | | | LGR for language deu-Latn — German | | | LGR for language eng-Latn — English | | | LGR for language eng-Latn — English | | | LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish | | | LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish | | | Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 19, 2018

July 19, 2018

Dear Latin GP members , Please find the agenda for Latin GP meeting on Thursday, 19 July 2018 at 16:00 UTC AGENDA for the GP call on July the 19th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Face to face meeting in September or October, do we have a final dates 3. IP comments on repertoire - material for discussion https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ucbOomIbJys4l4bUQyKuyrg8bP3QXFdEngxeA0d… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 4. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 5. Next telephone conference August the 2nd 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan ---------------------------- Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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