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Canceled: Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 12, 2020

Nov. 12, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, Based on the 12 November 2020 meeting. This meeting is being cancelled. The next Latin GP meeting will be on 3 December 2020 Regards, Pitinan

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Canceled: Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 12, 2020

Nov. 12, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, Based on the 12 November 2020 meeting. This meeting is being cancelled. The next Latin GP meeting will be on 3 December 2020 Regards, Pitinan

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Agenda for Latin GP call on November 11th , 2020 17:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 12, 2020

Nov. 12, 2020

Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next call. Any comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Regards Mirjana Agenda for Latin GP call on November 11th , 2020 17:00UTC 1. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020: “I had a couple of thought on cosmetic changes to this Appendix, to improve usability. · I think the entry for Latin Small Letter Ae should come after all of the entries for Letter A · I think the entry for Latin Small Letter Eth should come after all of the entries for Letter D · I think the entries for Latin Small Letter Open E should follow all of the entries for Letter E · I think the entries for Latin Small Letter Open O should follow all of the entries for Letter O. · I think the entry for Ligature Oe should follow the entries for Open O These are, I would say, cosmetic. We certainly can send the document to the IP for review without doing them. But I would like to see them happen before we go to public comment. “ 1. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 At the start of our work it was forbidden to talk about capital letters. Now we have had a long discussion about capital I with and without dot, so I think it is time that we look at another phenomenon in our data. Note that I do not argue that we should create new variant sets, just that we should look at it before we send the report out for comment. In our repertoire we have U+00F0, U+0111 and U+0256. Those lower case letters are distinct so that is not the problem. The potential issue is that the capital letters of those three are homoglyphs, not just similar. You can see below how they look like. I have enclosed them below in different typefaces. U+00F0 LATIN SMALL LETTER ETH U+00D0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH U+0111 LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH STROKE U+0110 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH STROKE U+0256 LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH TAIL U+0189 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AFRICAN D I think this should be mentioned in the text and the reason why we do not think it is a problem (if that is the conclusion). Pasted in the same order as above with small letter a in between, in in Helvetica, Times New Roman and New Courier: aÐaĐaƉa aÐaĐaƉa aÐaĐaƉa The same as picture: [cid:image001.png@01D6B844.DC81CF70] 1. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 2. Next call to be decided during this call 3. AOB

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 9, 2020

Nov. 9, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP meetings on Thursdays at 17:00 UTC. Please join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Passcode: 1F$^iEkt$# Regards, Pitinan

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Summary of the Latin GP Meeting on 5 November 2020
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 5, 2020

Nov. 5, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 5 November 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. Action Items S. No. Action Item Owner 1 Update the test label file as discussed by the GP PK 2 Prepare examples of test label format for further discussion PK The recording and the note are also posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Latin GP 5 Nov 2020 meeting time change to 17:00UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 4, 2020

Nov. 4, 2020

Good morning everyone, Today I have a conflict with the first half hour. I will join after my previous meeting ends. Best, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 5:58 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Latin GP 5 Nov 2020 meeting time change to 17:00UTC Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Dear Latin GP members, I’d like to inform you that the Latin GP meeting for this week will be shifted one hour later, it will be at 17:00UTC. Starting on this week and for the next few months, I unfortunately cannot facilitate the meeting at the regular time. Therefore, Mirjana advised that this week we will meet at 17:00UTC and the new time discussion will be on one of the agenda. The invitation for this week will be sent out shortly. Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 4, 2020

Nov. 4, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the meeting this week, 5 Nov 2020, 17:00 UTC. Please join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Passcode: 1F$^iEkt$# Agenda for Latin GP call on  November  the 5th , 2020 17:00UTC   1.      New time for GP calls, Pitinan has   conflict at 16.00UTC Thursdays for next six months starting this week. a.       ether we move our call to 17:00 UTC on Thursday b.      or Pitinan could make a doodle poll for 16:00 UTC on Monday, Tuesday and Friday c.       or any other proposal 2.      During test data production Bill found the following: „In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr).  It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria.  Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers.    Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire:  U 0188  Small Letter C with Hook  ƈ  U 01A5  Small Letter P with Hook  ƥ   U 01AD  Small Letter T with Hook  ƭ    For Kpelle we would also need to add:  U 0260  Small Letter G with Hook  ɠ    We might pick up a couple of Variants as well.  For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 3.      Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter. On August 22nd  Bill wrote “Dear colleagues,    I was reading the latest version of the LRG (https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/lgr/lgr-4-overview-29jun20-en.pdf [icann.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/sites/default/files/lgr/lg…>) and noticed this in the discussion of variants.   In typical user interface fonts, even code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) may look indistinguishable.   It occurs to me, if the IP is going to use this pair as an example of code points that are potentially indistinguishable, might we not want to at least evaluate it, to see if we think it should be a variant?  We may not, but I think we should at least be able to say we looked at it.    Bill”   4.      Test data production My proposal with  test data provided by Bill are here  https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn[1drv.ms]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg…> 5.      Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail  on 23.7 2020: “I had a couple of thought on cosmetic changes to this Appendix, to improve usability. ·         I think the entry for Latin Small Letter Ae should come after all of the entries for Letter A ·         I think the entry for Latin Small Letter Eth should come after all of the entries for Letter D  ·         I think the entries for Latin Small Letter Open E should follow all of the entries for Letter E  ·         I think the entries for Latin Small Letter Open O should follow all of the entries for Letter O.  ·         I think the entry for Ligature Oe should follow the entries for Open O These are, I would say, cosmetic.  We certainly can send the document to the IP for review without doing them.  But I would like to see them happen before we go to public comment. “     6.      Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 At the start of our work it was forbidden to talk about capital letters. Now we have had a long discussion about capital I with and without dot, so I think it is time that we look at another phenomenon in our data.   Note that I do not argue that we should create new variant sets, just that we should look at it before we send the report out for comment.   In our repertoire we have U+00F0, U+0111 and U+0256. Those lower case letters are distinct so that is not the problem. The potential issue is that the capital letters of those three are homoglyphs, not just similar. You can see below how they look like. I have enclosed them below in different typefaces.   U+00F0 LATIN SMALL LETTER ETH U+00D0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH   U+0111 LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH STROKE U+0110 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH STROKE   U+0256 LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH TAIL U+0189 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AFRICAN D     I think this should be mentioned in the text and the reason why we do not think it is a problem (if that is the conclusion).   Pasted in the same order as above with small letter a in between, in in Helvetica, Times New Roman and New Courier:   aÐaĐaƉa aÐaĐaƉa aÐaĐaƉa   The same as picture:   7.      Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 8.      Next call  to be decided during this call 9.      AOB Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 4, 2020

Nov. 4, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the meeting this week, 5 Nov 2020, 17:00 UTC. Please join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Passcode: 1F$^iEkt$# Agenda: 1. New Latin GP meeting time 2. During test data production Bill found the following: In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr).  It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria.  Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers.  Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire:  U 0188  Small Letter C with Hook  ƈ  U 01A5  Small Letter P with Hook  ƥ   U 01AD  Small Letter T with Hook  ƭ    For Kpelle we would also need to add:  U 0260  Small Letter G with Hook  ɠ    We might pick up a couple of Variants as well.  For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 3. Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter 4. Test data production My proposal with  test data provided by Bill are here  https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn [1drv.ms]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg…> 5. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020 6. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 7. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP 5 Nov 2020 meeting time change to 17:00UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 4, 2020

Nov. 4, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, I’d like to inform you that the Latin GP meeting for this week will be shifted one hour later, it will be at 17:00UTC. Starting on this week and for the next few months, I unfortunately cannot facilitate the meeting at the regular time. Therefore, Mirjana advised that this week we will meet at 17:00UTC and the new time discussion will be on one of the agenda. The invitation for this week will be sent out shortly. Regards, Pitinan

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Agenda for Latin GP call on November the 5th , 2020 17:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 4, 2020

Nov. 4, 2020

Dear GP members, The call on November the 5th will be at 17:00 UTC, Pitinan has a conflict with 16:00 UTC. Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next call. Any comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Regards Mirjana Agenda for Latin GP call on November the 5th , 2020 17:00UTC 1. New time for GP calls, Pitinan has conflict at 16.00UTC Thursdays for next six months starting this week. * ether we move our call to 17:00 UTC on Thursday * or Pitinan could make a doodle poll for 16:00 UTC on Monday, Tuesday and Friday * or any other proposal 2. During test data production Bill found the following: „In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr). It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria. Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers. Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire: U 0188 Small Letter C with Hook ƈ U 01A5 Small Letter P with Hook ƥ U 01AD Small Letter T with Hook ƭ For Kpelle we would also need to add: U 0260 Small Letter G with Hook ɠ We might pick up a couple of Variants as well. For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 1. Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter. On August 22nd Bill wrote “Dear colleagues, I was reading the latest version of the LRG (https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/lgr/lgr-4-overview-29jun20-en.pdf) and noticed this in the discussion of variants. In typical user interface fonts, even code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) may look indistinguishable. It occurs to me, if the IP is going to use this pair as an example of code points that are potentially indistinguishable, might we not want to at least evaluate it, to see if we think it should be a variant? We may not, but I think we should at least be able to say we looked at it. Bill” 1. Test data production My proposal with test data provided by Bill are here https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn 2. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020: “I had a couple of thought on cosmetic changes to this Appendix, to improve usability. · I think the entry for Latin Small Letter Ae should come after all of the entries for Letter A · I think the entry for Latin Small Letter Eth should come after all of the entries for Letter D · I think the entries for Latin Small Letter Open E should follow all of the entries for Letter E · I think the entries for Latin Small Letter Open O should follow all of the entries for Letter O. · I think the entry for Ligature Oe should follow the entries for Open O These are, I would say, cosmetic. We certainly can send the document to the IP for review without doing them. But I would like to see them happen before we go to public comment. “ 1. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 At the start of our work it was forbidden to talk about capital letters. Now we have had a long discussion about capital I with and without dot, so I think it is time that we look at another phenomenon in our data. Note that I do not argue that we should create new variant sets, just that we should look at it before we send the report out for comment. In our repertoire we have U+00F0, U+0111 and U+0256. Those lower case letters are distinct so that is not the problem. The potential issue is that the capital letters of those three are homoglyphs, not just similar. You can see below how they look like. I have enclosed them below in different typefaces. U+00F0 LATIN SMALL LETTER ETH U+00D0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH U+0111 LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH STROKE U+0110 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH STROKE U+0256 LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH TAIL U+0189 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AFRICAN D I think this should be mentioned in the text and the reason why we do not think it is a problem (if that is the conclusion). Pasted in the same order as above with small letter a in between, in in Helvetica, Times New Roman and New Courier: aÐaĐaƉa aÐaĐaƉa aÐaĐaƉa The same as picture: [cid:image001.png@01D6B2A1.BF446E20] 1. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 2. Next call to be decided during this call 3. AOB

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