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2019-12-05 Report version and tasks are in Dropbox
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 28, 2019

Nov. 28, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, You should find in your dropbox shared folder LatinGP/2019-12-05Report. My view of this folder says that it is shared folder, but I can create link for others only to view the folder. In case, if there are problems accessing the files, I am sending the copy of these files in this mail. In this version of the Report TBD from IP are marked red. Resolved TBD from IP are marked green. Please look at the table with tasks. If you can resolve any tasks from the list till Wednesday morning 10:00 UTC, December the 4th, please send your choice to LATIN GP mail. Than try to send your version of the Report to the list on time. I shall merge all your contributions for Thursday telepfone call, and after that we shall send new version of the Report to IP. I am asking Meikal to check did I transfer all his contributions to the Report from the end of October to this version of Report. I have added one my contribution which was missing to Appendix D. I was also thinking that we can add one more appendix for analysis of code points for Cross- script Variants. We have to move somewhere all discussions about Latin - Greek Variants. In Appendix D we are collecting analysis for In-script variant. Regards Mirjana

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Missing In-Script Candidates from Bill’s Spreadsheet
by Meikal Mumin Nov. 28, 2019

Nov. 28, 2019

Dear colleagues, I have compared Bill’s spreadsheet to preliminary results from Appendix D and noted the following 14 missing sets which should be added for comparison in that format, so we could evaluate these sets as a group as well. Please let me know if you need help adding them to the list, Bill. 1) f vs ƒ 0066 f LATIN SMALL LETTER F 0192 ƒ LATIN SMALL LETTER F WITH HOOK 2) I vs ı vs ɩ 0069 i LATIN SMALL LETTER I 0131 ı LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I 0269 ɩ LATIN SMALL LETTER IOTA 3a&b) æ vs œ æ vs ae 00E6 æ LATIN SMALL LETTER AE 0061 a LATIN SMALL LETTER A 0065 e LATIN SMALL LETTER E 0153 œ LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE 4) œ vs oe 0065 e LATIN SMALL LETTER E 006F o LATIN SMALL LETTER O 0153 œ LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE 5a&b) ă vs ǎ ŭ vs ǔ 0103 ă LETTER A WITH BREVE 011F ğ LETTER G WITH BREVE 016D ŭ LETTER U WITH BREVE 010D č LETTER C WITH CARON 011B ě LETTER E WITH CARON 0148 ň LETTER N WITH CARON 0159 ř LETTER R WITH CARON 0161 š LETTER S WITH CARON 017E ž LETTER Z WITH CARON 01CE ǎ LETTER A WITH CARON 01D0 ǐ LETTER I WITH CARON 01D2 ǒ LETTER O WITH CARON 01D4 ǔ LETTER U WITH CARON 01E7 ǧ LETTER G WITH CARON 01E9 ǩ LETTER K WITH CARON 01EF ǯ LETTER EZH WITH CARON 6a&b) ö vs ő ü vs ű 006E + 0308 n̈ LATIN SMALL LETTER N + COMBINING DIAERESIS 00E4 ä LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS 00EB ë LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS 00EF ï LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS 00F6 ö LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS 00FC ü LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS 00FF ÿ LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS 0151 ő LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DOUBLE ACUTE 0171 ű LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DOUBLE ACUTE 0254 + 0308 ɔ̈ LATIN SMALL LETTER OPEN O + COMBINING DIAERESIS 025B + 0308 ɛ̈ LATIN SMALL LETTER OPEN E + COMBINING DIAERESIS 025B + 0331 + 0308 ɛ̱̈ LATIN SMALL LETTER OPEN E + COMBINING MACRON BELOW + COMBINING DIAERESIS 1E8D ẍ LATIN SMALL LETTER X WITH DIAERESIS 7a&b) å vs ả ů vs ủ 00E5 å LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE 016F ů LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH RING ABOVE 1EA3 ả LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EBB ẻ LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EC9 ỉ LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH HOOK ABOVE 1ECF ỏ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EE7 ủ LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EF7 ỷ LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH HOOK ABOVE 8a,b,c) ẩa vs âả vs ảâ ểe vs êẻ vs ẻê ổo vs ôỏ vs ỏô 1EA9 ẩ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE 00E2 â LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX 1EA3 ả LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EC3 ể LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE 00EA ê LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX 1EBB ẻ LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH HOOK ABOVE 1ED5 ổ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE 00F4 ô LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX 1ECF ỏ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HOOK ABOVE 9) ằa vs ăà vs àă 0061 a LATIN SMALL LETTER A 00E0 à LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH GRAVE 0103 ă LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH BREVE 1EB1 ằ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH BREVE AND GRAVE 10) ởo vs ỏơ vs ơỏ 006F o LATIN SMALL LETTER O 0075 u LATIN SMALL LETTER U 01A1 ơ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN 01B0 ư LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH HORN 1ECF ỏ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EDF ở LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN AND HOOK ABOVE 1EE7 ủ LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EED ử LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH HORN AND HOOK ABOVE 11a,b,c) ẩa vs âả vs ảâ ểe vs êẻ vs ẻê ổo vs ôỏ vs ỏô 0061 a LATIN SMALL LETTER A 0065 e LATIN SMALL LETTER E 006F o LATIN SMALL LETTER O 00E2 â LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00EA ê LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00F4 ô LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX 1EA3 ả LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EA9 ẩ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE 1EBB ẻ LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH HOOK ABOVE 1EC3 ể LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE 1ECF ỏ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HOOK ABOVE 1ED5 ổ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE 12a&b) ậa vs âạ vs ạâ ộo vs ôọ vs ọô 0061 a LATIN SMALL LETTER A 006F o LATIN SMALL LETTER O 00E2 â LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00F4 ô LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX 1EA1 ạ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DOT BELOW 1EAD ậ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND DOT BELOW 1ECD ọ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DOT BELOW 1ED9 ộ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND DOT BELOW 13a,b,c) ấa vs âá vs áâ ếe vs êé vs éê ốo vs ôó vs óô 0061 a LATIN SMALL LETTER A â 0065 e LATIN SMALL LETTER E 006F o LATIN SMALL LETTER O 00E1 á LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH ACUTE 00E2 â LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00E9 é LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE 00EA ê LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00F3 ó LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH ACUTE 00F4 ô LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX 1EA5 ấ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND ACUTE 1EBF ế LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND ACUTE 1ED1 ố LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND ACUTE 14a&b) ầa vs âà vs àâ ềe vs êè vs èê 00E2 â LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00EA ê LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00E0 à LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH GRAVE 00E8 è LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE 00F4 ô LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX 00F2 ò LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH GRAVE 1EC1 ề LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND GRAVE 1ED3 ồ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND GRAVE 006F o LATIN SMALL LETTER O 1EA7 ầ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND GRAVE 0061 a LATIN SMALL LETTER A 0065 e LATIN SMALL LETTER E Best, Meikal

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Visual Variants
by Bill Jouris Nov. 28, 2019

Nov. 28, 2019

Dear Colleagues, We are making good progress on the ratings. Thank you. I do wonder about something. The Hawaiian Okina (02BB) is excluded from MSR (and thus our repertoire) because of its similarity to the apostrophe (02B6). | ʻ vs ’ | Yet the difference there is larger than that between the Dot Above (0307) and the Acute Accent (02CA). · vs ˊ Do those of you who do not consider the latter to be variants have any thoughts on that? Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 27, 2019

Nov. 27, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting on Thursday 28 November 2019, 16:00-17:00 UTC. Please join the meeting room at https://icann.zoom.us/j/824530213. AGENDA for the GP call on November the 28th 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Proposal for change the tool for editing Report: We need to change the tool for editing the Report because Google Docs is not reliable platform for editing large documents. Last time it messed formatting a lot. During ICANN66 IP suggested that we can use MS WORD for this purpose. There is a possibility in MS WORD to merge different copies of the same document to get one integral copy with all changes. So I am proposing the following approach: EVERY GP MEMBER WHO HAS TO ADD OR CHANGE PARTS OF REPORT SHOULD START WITH IP-ICANN-LGP-Proposal-V5-IP-Annotated-04 sent in this e-mail DO NOT CHANGE TRACKS CHANGES SETTINGS, SHOULD STAY ON. GP member who is editing the document should save it with same name adding his initials at the beginning of file name. (Example: MT-ICANN-LGP-Proposal-V5-IP-Annotated-04.docx), and send it to the mailing list. 3. Review of proposed tasks for finalization of the REPORT version 2019-12-05 * TBD-ReportV5-tasks (20 items) * TBD-ReportV5-VariantAnalysis (15 items) * Document is 204 pages, should we make two documents Report and Appendices? 4. Status of additional In-script variant analysis homework using document IP-ICANN-LGP-Proposal-V5-IP-Annotated-04 sent in this e-mail * Using wordmark.it * Using Bill's excel table [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> (missing rating from HH and MM) * Template for section on in-script variants [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 5. Next meeting proposal December the 5th, 2019, 16:00UTC . 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP Proposal Updates
by Bill Jouris Nov. 27, 2019

Nov. 27, 2019

Dear Colleagues, Attached is my update to the Proposal. In it I have: - Accepted the IP's proposed rephrasings, where they seemed non-controversial. (I think this makes it easier to find the places where they have substantive criticisms.) - Added French to the listing of languages using à - Added the table of Generic Glyph Variants - Changed Reference [0] to [99], per the IP's request that we not use [0] - Moved the extended description of Latin Small Letter A and Latin Small Letter Alpha to Appendix D, per the IP's recommendation - Regularized our use of Unicode Names. We had, in various places, used "Latin Small Letter", "Small Letter", and "Letter". They are now all the same. - In several tables, the word processing software had "helpfully" changed the lower case glyph to upper case -- apparently because it thought it was starting a new sentence. These have all (I think) been restored to lower case. - Added suggestions for how to address a couple of the TBD notes from the IP - Added a few edits of my own. (I expect to have more. These are just things that I noticed while doing other things.) I hope this moves us forward a bit. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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AGENDA for the GP call on November the 28th 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 25, 2019

Nov. 25, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. With this agenda I am sending following documents as a preparation for work: * TBD-ReportV5-tasks derived from Review of Latin LGR Proposal V5 ( IP-Annotated-04) * TBD-ReportV5-VariantAnalysis tasks derived from Review of Latin LGR Proposal V5 ( IP-Annotated-04) * Document named IP-ICANN-LGP-Proposal-V5-IP-Annotated-04 which consists of * original document sent by Sarmad on on November the 14th, with Subj: [Latingp] Review of Latin LGR Proposal V5 ( IP-Annotated-04) and * changes to Appendix D made by Meikal and uploaded to Goole Docs on 2019-10-29 which I had inserted in the upper document. These changes should be checked for consistency with Meikal’s original document These documents will help us to divide tasks between GP members, and decide which of these tasks could be finalized for 2019-12-05 version of the Report that should be sent to IP for an unofficial review. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on November the 28th 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Proposal for change the tool for editing Report: We need to change the tool for editing the Report because Google Docs is not reliable platform for editing large documents. Last time it messed formatting a lot. During ICANN66 IP suggested that we can use MS WORD for this purpose. There is a possibility in MS WORD to merge different copies of the same document to get one integral copy with all changes. So I am proposing the following approach: EVERY GP MEMBER WHO HAS TO ADD OR CHANGE PARTS OF REPORT SHOULD START WITH IP-ICANN-LGP-Proposal-V5-IP-Annotated-04 sent in this e-mail DO NOT CHANGE TRACKS CHANGES SETTINGS, SHOULD STAY ON. GP member who is editing the document should save it with same name adding his initials at the beginning of file name. (Example: MT-ICANN-LGP-Proposal-V5-IP-Annotated-04.docx), and send it to the mailing list. 3. Review of proposed tasks for finalization of the REPORT version 2019-12-05 * TBD-ReportV5-tasks (20 items) * TBD-ReportV5-VariantAnalysis (15 items) * Document is 204 pages, should we make two documents Report and Appendicies? 4. Status od additional In-script variant analysis homework using document IP-ICANN-LGP-Proposal-V5-IP-Annotated-04 sent in this e-mail * Using wordmark.it * Using Bill’s excel table<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19pjUuhNwDcxHGKJq-7R_LmkZTrobTmQG/ed…> (missing rating from HH and MM) * Template for section on in-script variants<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XY90NEaPhimfolh-uIl3kKBuVEIaLC5nmM96WNp…> 5. Next meeting proposal December the 5th, 2019, 16:00UTC . 6. AOB

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 21 November 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 24, 2019

Nov. 24, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 21 November 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions . Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it and add the candidate variant set to the Google spreadsheet BJ, MM 2Fix the code point and glyph mismatching in Google spreadsheet BJ The recording for this meeting and the note are posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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[update zoom link] Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 21, 2019

Nov. 21, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting starting now. (Thursdays 21 November 2019, 16:00-17:00 UTC.) The meeting room is https://icann.zoom.us/j/824530213 AGENDA for the GP call on November the 21th 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Status of additional In-script variant analysis homework - Meikal Trello [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 3. Review of IP edits to our LGR 4. Proposed additions to the Visual Variants spreadsheet Visual Variants - Analysis.xlsx [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_…> 5. Next meeting proposal November the 28th, 2019, 16:00 UTC (This is a holiday in the US) 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan

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[update zoom link] Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 20, 2019

Nov. 20, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting on Thursdays 21 November 2019, 16:00-17:00 UTC. The meeting room is https://icann.zoom.us/j/824530213 AGENDA for the GP call on November the 21th 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Status of additional In-script variant analysis homework - Meikal Trello [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 3. Review of IP edits to our LGR 4. Proposed additions to the Visual Variants spreadsheet Visual Variants - Analysis.xlsx [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_…> 5. Next meeting proposal November the 28th, 2019, 16:00 UTC (This is a holiday in the US) 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan

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[update zoom link] Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 20, 2019

Nov. 20, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the weekly Latin GP meeting on Thursdays, 16:00-17:00 UTC. This invitation recurs weekly until the up-coming F2F meeting. The meeting room is https://icann.zoom.us/j/824530213 Regards, Pitinan

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