February 2017 - Latingp - lists.icann.org

New version of Proposal
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 28, 2017

Feb. 28, 2017

Dear GP members, Please read the new improved version of Latin GP proposal. Meikal helped me a lot with his comments, suggestions and editing. We made a lot of changes, some more still to be done. We shall improve this version till the next call. Please feel free to comment, ask everything what is not clear to be clarified . https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eSk8rIwR4Kev9v0SJrllawVt_GWYBHVU-YB6Kkw36… regards Mirjana

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Re: [Latingp] Presentation for face to face meeting in Copenhagen
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Feb. 23, 2017

Feb. 23, 2017

Mirjana, Looks fine to me. I do have a couple of comments: one typo and a question. Please see enclosed file. Thank you, Dennis From: <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Presentation for face to face meeting in Copenhagen Dear GP members, Please find included draft of my presentation prepared for face to face meeting. It will be good if I can prepare one slide with issues of interest for discussion during face to face meeting. Please be kind to give me some ideas, what could be our points of discussion during face to face meeting. Regards Mirjana

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Presentation for face to face meeting in Copenhagen
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 22, 2017

Feb. 22, 2017

Dear GP members, Please find included draft of my presentation prepared for face to face meeting. It will be good if I can prepare one slide with issues of interest for discussion during face to face meeting. Please be kind to give me some ideas, what could be our points of discussion during face to face meeting. Regards Mirjana

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Agenda for the call on February 23rd, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 22, 2017

Feb. 22, 2017

Dear Latin GP members, For tomorrow call we shall finalize our Proposal. Maikal and me, we made a lot of changes. Please read it carefully, note any comments, suggestions . We shall discuss everything, and after tomorrow call, my plan is to send Proposal to IP for comments. Agenda for tomorrow call is: 1. Roll call 2. Latin GP proposal discussion https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eSk8rIwR4Kev9v0SJrllawVt_GWYBHVU-YB6Kkw… 3. AOB

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Latin GP meetings - alternate Thursdays 1pm UTC
by Sarmad Hussain Feb. 22, 2017

Feb. 22, 2017

How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Correcton of mistakes: Your answer to one question is needed until 18th of February
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 16, 2017

Feb. 16, 2017

Dear GP members, I am trying to figure how many months are needed to finalize attestation of Latin script codes. In my previous letter I made a few mistakes, and I apologize for this. If we take into consideration 300 languages with EGIDS 1-5 and if we need 20min on average for processing a language we need 100 man-hours for attestation. It depends on number of volunteers how many months we need to finish attestation of code points. If there is not enough volunteers for this task, so that we can finish the task in reasonable time frame, for example 6 months, we might consider to ask ICANN for help. So please respond to my redefined question. Could you devote 4 hours in next six months for attestation of Latin code points? You can send your answer to my e-mail. Sorry again for mistakes and confusion. Regards Mirjana From: Latin GP <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 18:48 To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Minutes of the call on 9th of February, Your answer to one question is needed until 18th of February Dear GP members, During our last call we concluded that we need 20 to 25minutes for processing all letters for one language. As we have around 300 languages with EGIDS 1-5, I need your response. It was expected for every GP member to devote 2hours per week working on issues of the Latin Panel. We have call every second week, it lasts around 1 hour, so it is expected that GP members will devote 3hours for work on the other tasks od GP during two weeks I have to find somehow, how many people can devote 3 hours in two weeks, during next 12 months. If we have 10 volunteers working on letter identification for 300 languages, we roughly need 10 months for processing all languages with EGIDS 1-5. Please respond to me directly till 18th of February, or to the list, whatever you prefer. After collecting all responses I will make some draft for 3.2 Proposed schedules of meetings and teleconferences and we can discuss it during our next call. I also, have to prepare some presentations for the ICANN meeting in Copenhagen, I’ll do my best to finish them before our next call, so you can give me some suggestions to improve them. Regards Mirjana

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Minutes of the call on 9th of February, Your answer to one question is needed until 18th of February
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 11, 2017

Feb. 11, 2017

Dear GP members, During our last call we concluded that we need 20 to 25minutes for processing all letters for one language. As we have around 300 languages with EGIDS 1-5, I need your response. It was expected for every GP member to devote 2hours per week working on issues of the Latin Panel. We have call every second week, it lasts around 1 hour, so it is expected that GP members will devote 3hours for work on the other tasks od GP during two weeks I have to find somehow, how many people can devote 3 hours in two weeks, during next 12 months. If we have 10 volunteers working on letter identification for 300 languages, we roughly need 10 months for processing all languages with EGIDS 1-5. Please respond to me directly till 18th of February, or to the list, whatever you prefer. After collecting all responses I will make some draft for 3.2 Proposed schedules of meetings and teleconferences and we can discuss it during our next call. I also, have to prepare some presentations for the ICANN meeting in Copenhagen, I’ll do my best to finish them before our next call, so you can give me some suggestions to improve them. Regards Mirjana

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ALL links for working documents
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 11, 2017

Feb. 11, 2017

Dear GP members, Here are the links for all present working documents: 00-LatinLanguages-A-Z-V04-EGIDSOrder https://docs.google.com/document/d/10_icuPbPusWXCZwNGhHk5eXg7-3QO5aZ-nNgGvr… 01-LanguageAZ-EGIDS-1-4 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YBb7wsy_hjBex6JXSIeJNOeK1KMIjU70pQRqLFR… 01-LanguageAZ-EGIDS-5 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PwUa4Tkqpp2GGz8-hYDbKz357BSlMG6vkbrAmUq… 01-LanguagesAZ-EGIDS-3-4 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVZvFVSjkxo4cj-r79j1CzMWLkalj7-19qBA5X0… LatinPart-MSR2-Attestation.V6 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fFe-uo5Gbh6nxf3c8LIoP_UvOpGN9lH-8Ro… Proposal for GP for Latin Script v13 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eSk8rIwR4Kev9v0SJrllawVt_GWYBHVU-YB6Kkw… Regards Mirjana

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Fw: Latin GP meetings - alternate Thursdays 1pm UTC
by Sarmad Hussain Feb. 9, 2017

Feb. 9, 2017

(resending - apologies if you received this in duplicate)? Agenda for the conference call on 09th of February, 2017 1. Roll call 2. Latin GP proposal discussion https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eSk8rIwR4Kev9v0SJrllawVt_GWYBHVU-YB6Kkw…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> Main focus on the section 3.2 Proposed schedules of meetings and teleconferences 3. AOB? How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Results of the test - processing time per language
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 9, 2017

Feb. 9, 2017

Dear GP members Here are some materials for today call. Next table shows the number of languages per EGIDS. After that table you can find the results of the test. Regards Mirjana Languages using Latin script – EGIDS table EGIDS No of languages EGIDS range No of Languages 1 63 2 30 3 41 4 46 1-4 180 5 110 5 110 6 84 7 23 8 42 9 11 10 5 6-10 165 455 Results of the test Volunteers processed 8 languages for the test. It took 170 minutes. So the avarage time per language is 21,25minutes. BugisBasa Ugi Boegineesche Boeginezen Bugi Buginese De’ Rappang Buginese Ugi<http://www.omniglot.com/writing/bugis.htm> bug<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=bug> Austronesian Malayo-Polynesian South Sulawesi Bugis<http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/bugis-0> 5.017.800 3 Indonesia Sulawesi<http://www.ethnologue.com/map/ID_sl_> Sarmad 15min ChichewaChewa Chinyanja Nyanja Nyanja-Chewa<http://www.omniglot.com/writing/chichewa.php> nya<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nya> Niger-Congo 7.000.000 3 MozambiqueZambia<http://www.ethnologue.com/map/MW> Denis 36 min EweEbwe Efe Eibe Eue Eve Gbe Krepe Krepi Popo VheEʋegbe<http://www.omniglot.com/writing/ewe.htm> ewe<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=ewe> Niger-Congo Atlantic-Congo Volta-Congo Kwa Left Bank Gbe<http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/gbe-0> 3.112.000 3 Ghana Togo<http://www.ethnologue.com/map/GH> Mirjana 22min Bambara. Bamanankan<http://www.omniglot.com/writing/bambara.htm> bam<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=bam> Niger-Congo Mande Western Central-Southwestern Central Manding-Jogo Manding-Vai Manding-Mokole Manding Manding-East Northeastern Manding Bamana<http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/bamana-0> 4.072.040 4 Côte d’Ivoire<http://www.ethnologue.com/map/CI>. Mali<http://www.ethnologue.com/map/ML_2> Sarmad 20 mins (time needed to find an unlisted code point 0272) BashkirBashkir Bashqort Basquort<http://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm> bak<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=bak> Turkic Western Uralian<http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/uralian-0> 1.590.000 4 Central Russia Western Russia<http://www.ethnologue.com/map/RU_c__> Mats 0.25 h The language switched to Cyrillic script some 70 years ago. DagaareDagaare Dagara Dagare Dagari Dagati Degati Dogaari Southern Dagari<http://www.omniglot.com/writing/dagaare.htm> dga<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=dga> Niger-Congo Atlantic-Congo Volta-Congo North Gur Central Northern Oti-Volta Western Northwest Dagaari-Birifor Dagaari<http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/dagaari-0> 1.000.000 4 Ghana<http://www.ethnologue.com/map/GH> Denis 12 min (wikipedia source had listed code points which made finding unicode cp easier) JavaneseDjawa Jawa<http://www.omniglot.com/writing/javanese.htm> jav<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=jav> Austronesian Malayo-Polynesian Javanese<http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/javanese-0> 84.308.740 4 Indonesia Java Bali Sumatra Mirjana 5min Michael 45min Dear Mirjana, unfortunately the flu has gotten me and I'm on sick leave for the whole week. I will also not be in a position to take part in the phone call tomorrow. Sorry for this. If you are already starting to calculate the average times: Before my leave, I already checked one of the languages and it took me 45 minutes (but only the new writing system, I still have to do the old writing system and the other assigned language). Best regards, Michael

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