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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 31, 2019

July 31, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for Latin GP meeting on Thursdays 1 August 2019 at 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525. AGENDA for the GP call on 1 August 2019 at 16:00 UTC. 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Finalization of the topic "Sharp s vs ss", page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal 1st August 2019, 16:00 UTC 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan REMINDERS 1. Latin GP - Report version 5 schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 2. Meikal's Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 3. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 5. Bill's table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 7. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 25 July 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 29, 2019

July 29, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 25 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Prepare to discuss the WDM table in the next meetingALL 2Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. *HH, BJ, MM, MD, MT *The assignment by Dennis and Michael were shared on the mailing list. ** The Wordmark.it account should be ready for all seven members. I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here. NoItemGP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis)6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa7 (Mirjana) Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 25, 2019

July 25, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting today Thursday 25 July 2019, 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525 [icann.zoom.us]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.zoom.us_j_922577…>. AGENDA for the GP call on July the 25th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Finalization of the topic "Sharp s vs ss", page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal 1st August 2019, 16:00 UTC 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan REMINDERS 1. Latin GP - Report version 5 schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 2. Meikal's Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 3. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 5. Bill's table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 7. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>

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Weighted Decision Matrix
by Michael Bauland July 24, 2019

July 24, 2019

Hi all, as I shortly already mentioned at last week's call, I think the decision matrix and its weight is still flawed. I think the items "Prevents denial of service" (1) and "Prevents misconnection" (2) are strongly connected to the item "Usability (Predictable label resolution)" (4). If DoS is not prevented then it logically follows that the label resolution is not always predictable: sometimes I will not reach anything. Similarly, if misconnection is not prevented, then also the label resolution is not always predictable: sometimes I will reach a different target than I expected. Especially in our context of the ß, these items are (almost) a logical equivalence: (1) or (2) <=> (4) Or what other factors for unpredictable label resolution are there, that are not covered by either (1) or (2)? I can't think of any right now. If the above really is the case, we would need to drop item (4) from the matrix as it's already covered by (1) and (2). Talk to you tomorrow, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 18 July 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 18, 2019

July 18, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 18 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Prepare to discuss the WDM table in the next meeting ALL 2Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. *HH, BJ, MM, MD, MT *The assignment by Dennis and Michael were shared on the mailing list. I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here. NoItemGP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis)6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa7 (Mirjana) Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 11 July 2019
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 18, 2019

July 18, 2019

Assignments 3 and 9 enclosed From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 10:11 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 11 July 2019 Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 11 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page.<https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/latin+GP> Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Review the flowchart in Appendix: IDNA Compatibility: Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) U+00DF<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Asf9ecnyX4rkK3pyQMzDuH8YY5-eXw8quZ6guDi…> ALL 2 Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. ALL I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here No Item GP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above 1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above 2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above 3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below 4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below 5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below 6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below 7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above 1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above 3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below 4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute 5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis) 6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss 2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa 7 (Mirjana) For the five remaining wordmark.it accounts, we are working closely with the wordmark.it founder to get the account activated. We should have them available soon. We will inform you as soon as we have further information. Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 18, 2019

July 18, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting today Thursday 18 July 2019, 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525. AGENDA for the GP call on July the 18th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Finalization of the topic "Sharp s vs ss", page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal July the 25th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB Note from Mirjana: I might not be available for this call, it depends on internet infrastructure in the place where I shall be next two weeks. I am asking Dennis to chair the call if I am not available. Regards, Pitinan REMINDERS 1. Latin GP - Report version 5 schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 2. Meikal's Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 3. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 5. Bill's table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 7. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>

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AGENDA for the GP call on July the 18th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić July 15, 2019

July 15, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. I might not be availabl for this call, it depends on internet infrastructure in the place where I shall be next two weeks. I am asking Dennis to chair the call if I am not available. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on July the 18th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Finalization of the topic “Sharp s vs ss”, page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal July the 25th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Latin GP – Report version 5 schedule<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1siFPKNqSr-YGj0DKurvS3hcoa8Y8eAJUBHp…> 2. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 1. Apendix D Merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…> made by Meikal 2. Trello board with In-script analysis items<https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF/1-in-script-variants-analysis> 3. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 4. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… 1. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>

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Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 11 July 2019
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 15, 2019

July 15, 2019

All, I reviewed the flowchart and it is confusing. We already talked about it during our call. I did a second pass and my reading did not improve. My observations: * IDNA2003 or IDNA2008: fass → fass * IDNA 2003: faß.de → fass.de * IDNA2008: faß.de → faß.de (xn--fa-hia.de) * In normal circumstances, Browsers (or applications in general) do not know the notion of variants, so they will resolve whatever the user input is. * Allocatable status does not translate to Activation in DNS * The flow chart assumes that an allocatable variant will automatically resolve in DNS. This is incorrect and it should not be assumed. RZ-LGR only declares two or more labels variants and their disposition values. An allocatable label doesn’t equate to an activated label in DNS. There will be several steps (and costs) associated with it. In any case, if we are assuming an allocatable label is activated, we should also consider the other scenario in which the allocatable label is not activated as well Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 10:11 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 11 July 2019 Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 11 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page.<https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/latin+GP> Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Review the flowchart in Appendix: IDNA Compatibility: Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) U+00DF<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Asf9ecnyX4rkK3pyQMzDuH8YY5-eXw8quZ6guDi…> ALL 2 Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. ALL I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here No Item GP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above 1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above 2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above 3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below 4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below 5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below 6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below 7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above 1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above 3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below 4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute 5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis) 6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss 2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa 7 (Mirjana) For the five remaining wordmark.it accounts, we are working closely with the wordmark.it founder to get the account activated. We should have them available soon. We will inform you as soon as we have further information. Regards, Pitinan

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 11 July 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 15, 2019

July 15, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 11 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Review the flowchart in Appendix: IDNA Compatibility: Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) U+00DF ALL 2Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. ALL I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here NoItemGP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis)6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa7 (Mirjana) For the five remaining wordmark.it accounts, we are working closely with the wordmark.it founder to get the account activated. We should have them available soon. We will inform you as soon as we have further information. Regards, Pitinan

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