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REMAINDER: Let's start processing Latin languages
by Mirjana Tasić July 27, 2017

July 27, 2017

Dear Repertoire group members, As we agreed during our conference call from 25th of July, 2017, I am sending this remainder. The processing of Latin languages should be started looking at the instructions in the document How-to-attest-letters-in-Latin-languages.docx<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kwuUGgScE8astSs14jPTC3OiZZIIoPaxP_bV9Mi…> I have adjusted this document as we agreed during our previous calls. I have redone the references for few code point as an example how the references should be added in Latin GP Code Points<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF7…>. Lines with reference for a specific code point should look like those lines as for “LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH ACUTE” on the top of our table Latin GP Code Points<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF7…>. I have tested all links in the document How-to-attest-letters-in-Latin-languages.docx<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kwuUGgScE8astSs14jPTC3OiZZIIoPaxP_bV9Mi…>. Sometimes the link to the decodeunicode<http://www.decodeunicode.org/en>. does not work but it seems that the problem is temporary. If there is any misunderstanding of Instructions<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kwuUGgScE8astSs14jPTC3OiZZIIoPaxP_bV9Mi…> or if any problems appear during language processing, please feel free to ask for a help. Regards Mirjana

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FW: Latin GP Variants - Session 4
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 27, 2017

July 27, 2017

Dear All, We will use the IDN meeting room for this meeting. How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692 Regards, Sarmad -----Original Appointment----- From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis [mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:31 PM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis; Meikal Mumin; Michael Bauland; Bill Jouris; Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp Subject: [Latingp] Latin GP Variants - Session 4 When: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:00 AM-12:00 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). Where: TBD - Bill to send information When: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:00 AM-12:00 PM. (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) Where: TBD - Bill to send information +~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+

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Minutes from the Latin GP call on July the 25th, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić July 27, 2017

July 27, 2017

Dear GP members, Please find Minutes from the last Generation Panel call. Suggestions, corrections are welcome. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________________________________ Minutes from the conference call on 25th of July, 2017 Agenda: 1. Roll call 2. Repertoire group - Short report on progress 3. Variant group - Short report on progress 4. Are we ready for non-official public comment? 5. Are we ready for the next step - processing languages? 6. AOB Minutes: 1. Roll call Following members were present: Ahmed Bakhat Masood Amadou Ly Dennis Tan Fiametta Caccavale Hazem Hezzah Jean Paul Nkurunziza Mats Dufberg Meikal Mumin Michael Bouland Sarmad Hussain Mirjana Tasic Excused : none 1. Repertoire group - Short report on progress Mirjana gave a short report on Repertoire group progress. Her opinion was that all necessary documents are finalized, and that work on languages should start. 1. Variant group - Short report on progress Denis gave a short report on Variant group progress. He said that Variant principles are ready, and that group is working on variants. 1. Are we ready for non-official public comment? GP members have discussed the way how to start preparation for unofficial public comment about Repertoire and Variant principles. Sarmad proposed that next GP telephone conference should be used for Repertoire and Variant group presentation of the final text of Principles. GP members should decide if the Principles are ready for unofficial public comment. GP agreed with this proposal. Latin GP telephone conference on August the 8th, 2017 will be devoted to Repertoire and Variant Group Principles. 1. Are we ready for the next step - processing languages? GP members has agreed to the following: Mirjana should circulate the reminder that all members of the repertoire group should try to work on processing languages to develop the Repertoire. The timetable of telephone conferences starting from August the 1st will be as follows: Week starts Monday Generation Panel Repertoire group Variant group 31.07 / 01.08 at 17:00 UTC 04.08 07.08 08.08 at 12:00UTC / / 14.08 / 15.08 at 17:00UTC 18.08 21.08 / / / 28.08 / 29.08 at 17:00UTC 01.09 04.09 05.09 at 12:00UTC / / Meetings of Repertoire and Variant Groups will be held every two weeks, and Generation Panel Conference will be held once a month. This timetable gives more time to members to work on Repertoire. Conference was closed at 12:45UTC

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Agenda for the conference call on 25th of July, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić July 25, 2017

July 25, 2017

Dear GP members, Please find the agenda for today call. Regards Mirjana ________________________ Agenda for the conference call on 25th of July, 2017 1. Roll call 2. Repertoire group - Short report on progress 3. Variant group - Short report on progress 4. Are we ready for non official public comment 5. Are we ready for the next step - processing languages 6. AOB

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Latin GP meetings - 1200 noon UTC Tuesdays - fortnightly
by Sarmad Hussain July 24, 2017

July 24, 2017

A gentle reminder for the meeting on Tuesday 25 July at 12noon UTC. Regards, Sarmad How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Repertoire WG: Notes from the conference call on 18th of July, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić July 21, 2017

July 21, 2017

Dear GP members, Please find the notes from last conference call. Any comments corrections and suggestions are the most welcome. Meikal has changed the principles as we discussed. I have made some changes to the instructions to include last suggestions how we shall fill the Repertoire spreadsheet. I am asking Mats to check the new text I added, and to correct everything he finds appropriate. Regards Mirjana Notes from the conference call on 18th of July, 2017 Agenda: 1. Roll call 2. Finalization of Principles for inclusion an exclusion of code points for Latin script 3. Finalization of Instructions for attesting Latin letters in MSR2 using available sources, starting from language alphabets side 4. How to proceed with languages processing for creating repertoire 5. AOB Minutes: 1. Roll call Following GP members were present: Bill Jouris Fiammetta Caccavale Hazzem Hazeh Jean Paul Mats Dufberg Meikal Mumin Mirjana Tasić Ousmane Tessa Sarmad Hussain 1. Finalization of Principles for inclusion an exclusion of code points for Latin script Principles were discussed and finalized, Meikal must make some changes as agreed by group 2. Finalization of Instructions for attesting Latin letters in MSR2 using available sources, starting from language alphabets side Mats thinks that present version of Repertoire spread sheet should be changed in the way that every reference for a specific code point should be written in separate row. The row with specific code point should be duplicated, and then new information on reference should be updated, and initials of the person who created new reference should be added in the new column. Mats volunteered to change the present sheet to accommodate all the changes. 1. How to proceed with languages processing for creating repertoire When Mats finishes the new Version of the Repertoire sheet, Repertoire group will proceed with language processing.

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Agenda for Repertoire group call on 18th of July, 2017, 17:00 UTC
by Mirjana Tasić July 18, 2017

July 18, 2017

Dear Repertoire group members, Sarmad will send the remainder . Here is the proposed agenda for today call: Agenda for the conference call on 18th of July, 2017 1. Roll call 2. Finalization of Principles for inclusion an exclusion of code points for Latin script 3. Finalization of Instructions for attesting Latin letters in MSR2 using available sources, starting from language alphabets side 4. How to proceed with languages processing for creating repertoire 5. AOB Regards Mirjana

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Repertoire WG meeting - alternate Tuesdays - 5pm UTC
by Sarmad Hussain July 18, 2017

July 18, 2017

Hi All, A gentle reminder for Repertoire WG meeting today. Regards, Sarmad How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Latin GP Variants - Session 4
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 14, 2017

July 14, 2017

When: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:00 AM-12:00 PM. (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) Where: TBD - Bill to send information *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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Latin GP Variants Session 3 - Notes July 14
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 14, 2017

July 14, 2017

Bill, Thanks. My feedback below. I will add what we talked about the Similarity Principle to which we are going to use the Unicode PDF charts to establish visual similarity. I will also add the definition of visual similarity to our work document, that is, the code points that were designed to be visually identical by the Unicode Consortium. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> Date: Friday, July 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Cc: Michael Bauland <michael.bauland(a)knipp.de>, Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de>, Mirjana Tasić <mirjana.tasic(a)rnids.rs> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Latin GP Variants Session 3 - After You Left Hi Dennis, Here's what happened in the second half of the meeting: We continued reviewing the Principles. · We reviewed Principle 2) Semantics, and made some changes. In particular, it was felt that whether a particular variation should be considered depends on how large a segment of the user community would consider it a variant, as opposed to something entirely different. (We decided that establishing exactly what "large enough" was should wait until later.) DT: I believe I agree with this approach. Build a candidate list first, then finalized with a thorough analysis. · On Principle 4 (Inclusion), we observe that the Repertoire group is compiling data on non-MSR-2 codepoints which are used by languages using Latin script. But decided that we would not look at variants of those until and unless a change to MSR is agreed to. DT: Agreed. · We talked about Principle 5 (Symmetry and Transitivity) and decided that, since those are established already at a higher level, we would not touch the wording. DT: Ok. Makes sense. · We renamed the 6th Principle from Inclusion (which, as you noted, had already been used) to Universe. And at Michael's suggestion added the possibility of characters which had migrated between scripts. (The obvious case is numerals, which migrated to Latin script from Arabic. While numerals are excluded from our work, it seems possible that there will be other codepoints which are not.) DT: I’m confused. Does the Universe Principle have to do with the scope of scripts we are going to look at, or specific code points? It seems to me that it is the former, so I’m confused about the Latin/Arabic numerals example. · After some discussion, we felt that the later sections could be put aside at the moment. (Some of the text from the Cross-Script Variants section has been moved to the Universe Principle.) DT: OK. · We propose to meet again in two weeks, at the same time, but on Thursday. DT: Alright. This is going to be on July 27, so I won’t be able to join. Sarmad may be able to help with providing the virtual meeting space. · · Between now and the meeting, we should start compiling a table of variants. Initially, we would be looking cross-script variants. We propose to start by looking at the repertoires identified by the other WGs, and see what is there that would be a variant of what our Repertoire group is finding. DT: Agreed. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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