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Panel-formation proposal
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 3, 2015

Dec. 3, 2015

Dear colleagues, It will take us at least one more meeting to get to the end of the Latin part of MSR2 document (See https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/24+November+2015.) After that we need to turn our attention to the Panel-formation proposal for which the deadline is the ICANN meeting in Marrakech. I attach an initial attempt at breaking the proposal down into small chunks. It's based on the Arabic one and may need further adjustments. I hope it makes the work easier. Work has already been started on at least two chunks: 1. The timeline (me) (3.1) 2. The list of languages (Mirjana) (Appendix A) I would welcome improvements to this document and written contributions on any other chunk (please email me if you are interested in contributing to any section(s)). Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Re: [Latingp] LGP meeting at UTC 17:00 on Tuesday 10 Nov.
by Dillon, Chris Nov. 27, 2015

Nov. 27, 2015

Dear Mirjana and colleagues, Thank you for your email. I’ll leave Vietnamese as the example for đ, as more people speak Vietnamese than those languages. Š, however, should have been in the table and somehow got omitted. Thanks for spotting it. I will send out a corrected version of the table within the next couple of hours. Please also note that my table does not yet cover the Latin Extended Additional section, which starts on p.99 of msr-2-non-cjk-13apr15-en.pdf. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Mirjana Tasic [mailto:mirjana.tasic@rnids.rs] Sent: 06 November 2015 22:10 To: Dillon, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [Latingp] LGP meeting at UTC 17:00 on Tuesday 10 Nov. Dear Chris, I am not sure what informations are interesting for you, and how to submit it: For example letter Đ (đ) is used in Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin, all of them has EGIDS score 1. On the other hand you did not specify for example letter Š (š) that is used in Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin, and Slovenian. Are those informations of any value for you. regards Mirjana On 6.11.2015 17:14, Dillon, Chris wrote: Dear colleagues, In response to the actions of our face-to-face meeting, I have started a draft of attestations for the Latin part of MSR2 (attached), i.e., the list of letters in yellow in the Latin part of msr-2-non-cjk-13apr15-en.pdf (I omitted a-z). The languages I have chosen are roughly speaking the languages using the code points with the greatest numbers of speakers. I would be grateful for your comments (especially on lines in red in the table) either before or during our meeting. For example, are you aware of a language with an EGIDS score (or a higher one) that uses the code point in question? (Reference: www.ethnologue.com/browse/names<http://www.ethnologue.com/browse/names> ) Our next meeting is scheduled for UTC 17:00 on Tuesday 10 November. Please let me know if the time is not convenient. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp

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Latin GP call
by Alireza Saleh Nov. 24, 2015

Nov. 24, 2015

How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/lgr/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again.

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LGP meeting on Tues. 24 Nov. at UTC 17:00
by Dillon, Chris Nov. 23, 2015

Nov. 23, 2015

Dear colleagues, Please find below information about tomorrow's meeting: 1. Agenda 1. Attendance 2. A look at the Latin part of MSR2 (see the attached file) 3. Panel formation proposal Schedule List of languages 4. AOB 5. DoNM Please note that the version of the file for 2. Attached to this email is easier to print than the one circulated recently. 3. is information on work currently happening; there are no files for it. == The meeting is at UTC 17:00. Check when that is where you are on this site: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com How to connect http://icann.adobeconnect.com/lgr<http://icann.adobeconnect.com/lgr/> *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. == Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Agenda of next meeting
by Dillon, Chris Nov. 20, 2015

Nov. 20, 2015

Dear colleagues, I have just put the agenda for our next meeting (at UTC 17:00) in the wiki: 24 November 2015 Agenda 1. Attendance 2. A look at the Latin part of MSR2<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56148372/Latin%20part%20of…> 3. Panel formation proposal a. Schedule b. List of languages 4. AOB 5. DoNM Please let me know if you would like to add any item. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Re: [Latingp] Generic Top Level Domain names in African languages
by Paul Hoffman Nov. 17, 2015

Nov. 17, 2015

This wording seems fine. Of course there will be differences and shades of wording; that's to be expected. --Paul Hoffman

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Vietnamese feedback
by Dillon, Chris Nov. 17, 2015

Nov. 17, 2015

Dear colleagues, I used the Vietnamese email we recently agreed to reach out to a Vietnamese contact suggested by Meikal, Dr Ngô Thanh Nhàn. He has sent some really useful feedback, which I have copied below for your information. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Nhan Ngo [mailto:nhan@temple.edu] Sent: 17 November 2015 02:56 To: Dillon, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> Cc: Eric Brunner-Williams (ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net<mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net>) <ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net<mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net>>; Alireza Saleh <alireza.saleh(a)icann.org<mailto:alireza.saleh@icann.org>> Subject: Re: Vietnamese in in Latin script Top Level Domain names Dear Chris, 1. Unicode CLDR Are any other letters in use? Yes. a. Vietnamese monetary unit, đồng, is ₫. b. Five tone marks, represented as Unicode combining marks huyền [ `], sắc [´], nặng [ ̣], hỏi [ ̉], ngã [~]. 2. Yes. The official alphabet is a ă â b c d đ e ê g h i j k l m n o ô ơ p q r s t u ư v w x y z and six tone marks. they and the Unicode combining marks as tone marks generate the summary list you cited in 1 (Unicode CLDR). 3. They are all in use. Comments: a. The Unicode summary CLDR list does not sort correctly in Vietnamese. b. We proposed two sets of codes for Vietnamese: — one is the list you gave called the Unicde CLDR (you listed), and — the official Vietnamese alphabet with 6 tones (linguistically correct). Unicode allows two standard character computer code sets, which output the same results. E.g. letter “ă” combined with tone “ `” is equal to “ằ” (there are 2 ways to get “ằ”); letter “ă” combined with tone “ ´” is equal to “ắ” (there are 2 ways to get “ắ”);… Our proposal reconcile correct sorting in Vietnamese, as well as as full adherence to official Vietnamese alphabet (and tones). Let me know if this helps. Regards, Ngô Thanh Nhàn On Nov 16, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> wrote: Dear Dr Thanh Nhan, Meikal Mumin suggested I contact you. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is currently doing some research into Unicode code points for use in Latin script Top Level Domain names: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP Currently we have no Vietnamese language expertise. I wonder if you would be able to help us with the following questions: == The Unicode CLDR (Common Locale Data Repository) lists the following letters for Vietnamese: a à ả ã á ạ ă ằ ẳ ẵ ắ ặ â ầ ẩ ẫ ấ ậ b c d đ e è ẻ ẽ é ẹ ê ề ể ễ ế ệ f g h i ì ỉ ĩ í ị j k l m n o ò ỏ õ ó ọ ô ồ ổ ỗ ố ộ ơ ờ ở ỡ ớ ợ p q r s t u ù ủ ũ ú ụ ư ừ ử ữ ứ ự v w x y ỳ ỷ ỹ ý ỵ z (See www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/28/summary/vi.html<http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/28/summary/vi.html> .) 1. Are any other letters in use? 2. Some of the diacritics are used to indicate tone – is Vietnamese ever written with a simpler set of Latin letters without tone marks? (For example, Pinyin Běijīng is sometimes written as Beijing, without tone marks.) 3. Are some of the letters listed not in use? == Please let me know if you would be interested in becoming a member of the Panel. Regards, Chris Dillon. Co-Chair Latin Generation Panel -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Generic Top Level Domain names in African languages
by Dillon, Chris Nov. 17, 2015

Nov. 17, 2015

Dear colleagues, Please find below a draft of an email to African linguists. It is more difficult to draft than the Vietnamese one, as the status of some of the code points likely to be used is less certain than it was for the Vietnamese code points and so to some extent I'm having to decide things that are not yet finalized (hence "Currently it looks as if ..."). I shall attach the latest version of the code point file once we have discussed version 4 and it has been worked on. Anyway, as usual, I would be grateful for your comments. == Dear colleagues, The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (www.ICANN.org) is currently doing some work on the Unicode code points required to write Top Level domain names in languages using the Latin script (Roman alphabet): https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP Please find attached an early draft of Latin script code points. Currently it looks as if code points belonging to languages with EGIDS (see www.ethnologue.com) scores of 1-4 (and perhaps some languages with scores of 5 and even below) have a chance of being included in the repertoire, unless the code points are for historical or religious use, or for punctuation, or belong to other scripts (e.g. Arabic numerals 0-9), etc. We have indicated some code points we think are being used in African languages, also some that are used in the African Reference Alphabet, the Alphabet National du Tchad and the Pan-Nigerian Alphabet. Could you write enough of your language(s) using code points in document for you to be able to create generic Top Level Domain names in it (examples of gTLDs: .com, .org, .net and .wiki)? We are especially interested in code points in red, as some of those may not be in current use. We would be very grateful for your help on a one-off or on-going basis. Yours, Chris Dillon. Co-Chair, Latin Generation Panel -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Latin part of MSR2 with attestations v4
by Dillon, Chris Nov. 16, 2015

Nov. 16, 2015

Dear colleagues, Please find attached version 4 of the Latin part of MSR2 (I think only red and white letters, a-z and Combining Diacritical Marks are not included in this version). This version should incorporate suggestions made at our last meeting and Mirjana’s comments (thank you, Mirjana). I very much welcome your corrections and edits. Incidentally, thank you for OKing the email for Vietnamese experts, which I have copied below for your reference. I shall draft a similar one for African experts within the next couple of days. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> [Vietnamese email] The Unicode CLDR (Common Locale Data Repository) lists the following letters for Vietnamese: a à ả ã á ạ ă ằ ẳ ẵ ắ ặ â ầ ẩ ẫ ấ ậ b c d đ e è ẻ ẽ é ẹ ê ề ể ễ ế ệ f g h i ì ỉ ĩ í ị j k l m n o ò ỏ õ ó ọ ô ồ ổ ỗ ố ộ ơ ờ ở ỡ ớ ợ p q r s t u ù ủ ũ ú ụ ư ừ ử ữ ứ ự v w x y ỳ ỷ ỹ ý ỵ z (See www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/28/summary/vi.html<http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/28/summary/vi.html> .) 1. Are any other letters in use? 2. Some of the diacritics are used to indicate tone – is Vietnamese ever written with a simpler set of Latin letters without tone marks? (For example, Pinyin Běijīng is sometimes written as Beijing, without tone marks.) 3. Are some of the letters listed not in use?

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Re: [Latingp] Questions for Vietnamese language experts
by Paul Hoffman Nov. 13, 2015

Nov. 13, 2015

Looks fine to me. --Paul Hoffman

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