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Agenda for GP call on January, 9th, 2018
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 7, 2018

Jan. 7, 2018

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda for our next telephone conference. I have decided that it is better to have whole Generation Panel on the first telephone conference in the new year, to get back to the work. After agenda for this call in this mail, you could find also the proposal for the Agenda for F2F meeting in Brussels. Regards Mirjana ________________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on 9th of January 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Repertoire Group: Short report on status and what shall be further steps 3. Variant Group: Short report on status 4. Final report Drafting WG: Short report on status 5. Agenda for F2F meeting in Brussels 6. Next telephone conference: should we have one? * Generation Panel Telephone conference, January 16th, 2017 16:00 UTC * Or January 23rd, 2017 * January 28th, Travel to Brussel 7. AOB Second Face-to-Face Meeting of the Latin GP Brussels, Belgium 29 - 31 January 2018 Day 1 - 29 January 2018 0900 – 1030 Welcome and Introductions Review of Current Status of Latin GP * Current Plan of Work * Review of Status by Repertoire WG * Review of Status by Variants WG All Mirjana Tasic Mats Dufberg Dennis Tan Tanaka 1030 – 1050 Tea and Coffee Break 1050 – 1230 Repertoire Discussion 1 * Open Issues Mats Dufberg 1230 – 1400 Lunch Break 1400 – 1530 Repertoire Discussion 2 * Final Draft of Repertoire Table * Conclusions and Next Steps Mats Dufberg 1530 – 1550 Tea and Coffee Break 1550 – 1730 Variants Discussion 1 * Latin * Cyrillic * Armenian * Greek Dennis Tan Tanaka Day 2 - 30 January 2018 0900 – 1030 Variant Discussion 2 * Final Draft of Variant Tables * Conclusions and Next Steps Dennis Tan Tanaka 1030 – 1050 Tea and Coffee Break 1050 – 1230 Variant Discussion 3 * Similarity of Code Points * Latin * Armenian, Cyrillic and Greek Dennis Tan Tanaka 1230 – 1400 Lunch Break 1400 – 1530 Review of Current Latin LGR Proposal Draft * Introduction sections including scope of work, principles and methodology of analysis * Repertoire section Drafting Team? 1530 – 1550 Tea and Coffee Break 1550 – 1730 Review of Current Latin LGR Proposal Draft * Variant section * WLE section * References and Appendices Drafting Team? Day 3 - 31 January 2018 0900 – 1030 LGR XML Tool Sarmad Hussain 1030 – 1050 Tea and Coffee Break 1050 – 1230 Conclusion and Next Steps Mirjana Tasic 1230 – 1400 Lunch Break 1400 – 1530 1530 – 1550 Tea and Coffee Break 1550 – 1730

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Cross-script variant analysis for Armenian and Greek
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Jan. 5, 2018

Jan. 5, 2018

I have created the two worksheets to record our analysis of cross-script variants Latin/Armenian and Latin/Greek. You will find the corresponding MS Excel files in the following links: Latin/Armenian: https://www.dropbox.com/s/732bmxoy5b7qg6n/Variant%20Analysis%20-%20Latin%20… Latin/Greek: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zempt9oexpnmvd4/Variant%20Analysis%20-%20Latin%20… In the worksheet you (Bill, Mats and Michael) will see your assignments for first and second inspections. It’s very important that you create a copy of the file for your first pass. I recommend you add the following text “First Inspection” followed by your initials to the file name, so that the second inspector can use this same file when needed. The second inspector will then save a new copy of the document with “Second Inspection” plus initials. Once all of us finish the inspection work, I will consolidate all of the changes to one single document. One for Armenian and one for Greek, of course. If possible please try to complete the first inspection by the 19th so second inspectors can complete the subsequent work before Brussels. Thank you, -Dennis

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Variant call Jan 5 2018
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Jan. 5, 2018

Jan. 5, 2018

Please note that the link to the meeting has changed to https://participate.icann.org/idn -Dennis

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Re: [Latingp] Variant call Jan 5 2018
by Mats Dufberg Jan. 5, 2018

Jan. 5, 2018

I have connected, but it is not open. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp(a)icann.org> Reply-To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Friday 5 January 2018 at 18:02 To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Variant call Jan 5 2018 Please note that the link to the meeting has changed to https://participate.icann.org/idn -Dennis

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Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Jan. 5, 2018

Jan. 5, 2018

Mats, The Root Zone LGR is not designed to pick up on those security and stability issues. That would be the concern of already established processes, such as the Similarity Review or DNS Security and Stability Review of applied-for TLDs. -Dennis On 1/5/18, 10:27 AM, "Mats Dufberg" <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> wrote: In lower case, they are equal. My interpretation of "security" is that we must include some variant or contextual rules that prevent two TLDs only differing on those two code points. I do not think we should try to interpret what IP thinks. We should propose a solution we think is correct. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ -----Original Message----- From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Friday 5 January 2018 at 16:13 To: Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de>, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Cc: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script Hi Michael, They are not the same character. They look alike in lower case, but are different in upper case (i.e. disunification by case property). The IP briefly discussed this case of 01DD and 0259 in their feedback to our Principles document and suggested that these two should not be variants. Hence my question about more evidence. -Dennis On 1/5/18, 10:10 AM, "Michael Bauland" <Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de> wrote: Hi Dennis, hi Mats, On 05.01.2018 16:02, Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp wrote: > Thanks Mats. > > > > A follow up question, is there evidence that these two code points are > used interchangeably in the languages the repertoire team analyzed? I > ask because the IP will ask for more evidence of a variant relationship > besides visual appearance. Per the Procedure “Generation Panels should > ignore cases where the relation is based exclusively on aspects of > visual similarity”. I'm not sure we need additional evidence, because in this case it's not mere "visual similarity" but those two are actually the same. And I don't think we have another choice in the case of homoglyphs, but to make them variants. On the contrary, I think we had to argue if we wanted to not make them variants. Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp

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Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Jan. 5, 2018

Jan. 5, 2018

Thanks Mats. A follow up question, is there evidence that these two code points are used interchangeably in the languages the repertoire team analyzed? I ask because the IP will ask for more evidence of a variant relationship besides visual appearance. Per the Procedure “Generation Panels should ignore cases where the relation is based exclusively on aspects of visual similarity”. -Dennis From: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 5:33 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Cc: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script Dennis, My conclusion is that both should be included since some languages use one and some languages the other. I think it would be reasonable to have a variant rule for those. Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Thursday 4 January 2018 at 21:45 To: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se>, "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script Mats, Are you saying that the panel needs to do more analysis to determine which one to include in the repertoire or is the matter that both of them will be included but you are suggesting some variant rules? On the latter, IP briefly discussed about the two code points in the feedback regarding the Principles document. -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:41 PM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script There are many code points that are so similar that confusion is at risk, but there is at least one clear pair of homoglyphs: 0259 ə LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA 01DD ǝ LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED E They are not homoglyphs in upper case. In two of the languages that attest either of the two, it is not possible to say which because there is no upper case letter. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/

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Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Jan. 4, 2018

Jan. 4, 2018

Mats, Are you saying that the panel needs to do more analysis to determine which one to include in the repertoire or is the matter that both of them will be included but you are suggesting some variant rules? On the latter, IP briefly discussed about the two code points in the feedback regarding the Principles document. -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:41 PM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script There are many code points that are so similar that confusion is at risk, but there is at least one clear pair of homoglyphs: 0259 ə LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA 01DD ǝ LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED E They are not homoglyphs in upper case. In two of the languages that attest either of the two, it is not possible to say which because there is no upper case letter. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/

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