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Updated Greek Worksheet
by Meikal Mumin June 13, 2018

June 13, 2018

Dear colleagues, the Greek Worksheet has been updated with additional variant candidates. As a result, there are new rows and previous assessment may not reflect the new input. Please review the updated worksheet an update your scoring as appropriate. I have already conducted my the first-pass review for pairs assigned to me and will await results where I'm supposed to conduct the second-pass review. Also I left two comments regarding variation between upper and lower case which we should discuss. Best, Meikal

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Latin GP call on June the 14th, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Sarmad Hussain June 12, 2018

June 12, 2018

AGENDA for the GP call on June the 14th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Cross-script Variants report, status, next steps 3. Discussion - Should we apply in defining in-script variants similar methodology to this one used in cross-script variants 4. AOB Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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[lgr] FW: CANN News Alert -- ICANN Board to Hold Four Public Sessions - Including One on IDN Variant TLD Implementation
by Sarmad Hussain June 11, 2018

June 11, 2018

Dear Generation Panel Members, As per the news below, ICANN Board will hold a public session on IDN Variant TLD Implementation Recommendations on 22 June 2018. As a background, the work following the board resolution in 2010 (see under IDN Variant TLD Implementation here <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/idn-relevant-board-resolutions-2017-1…> ) led to the development of the Integrated Issues Report <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/idn-relevant-board-resolutions-2017-1…> (IIR) by the community and ICANN org. IIR identified two gaps in implementing IDN variant TLDs: (i) There was no definition of IDN Variant TLDs (ii) There was no management mechanism for IDN Variant TLDs To address the first item, LGR Procedure was developed and was adopted by the ICANN Board in 2013, which has led to the development of RZ-LGR. Now, through the RZ-LGR, there is a clear definition of IDN Variant TLDs. With its availability, the RZ-LGR Study group has been formed to address the technical aspects of using the RZ-LGR for this purpose. However, RZ-LGR only addresses part of the issue, as identified by IIR. To address the second item, ICANN org has also been looking into the challenges of variant management mechanism to implement IDN Variant TLDs based on current IDN (g and cc) TLD procedures. This particular presentation to the ICANN Board focuses on that part of the work. Naturally, defining variant labels is a pre-requisite of managing them. So our focus has remained the RZ-LGR definition. With the RZ-LGR now available and remaining script communities well underway to finalize their LGR proposals, it is a good time to start the conversation about their management mechanism. Regards, Sarmad <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org_&d=DwMFaQ…> [icann.org] News Alert <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-06-07-en [icann.org] _____ ICANN Board to Hold Four Public Sessions and Board Meeting During Panama Workshop 7 June 2018 LOS ANGELES – 7 June 2018 – The ICANN Board will be holding four public sessions and a public Board meeting during its upcoming workshop in Panama City, Panama, which will be taking place from 22-24 June 2018, ahead of ICANN62. The agenda of the sessions is provided below. Date Time (UTC) Session 22 June 18:15 – 19:15 IDN Variant TLD Implementation Recommendations 23 June 14:00 – 15:00 Public Board Meeting 23 June 18:00 – 18:15 Board FY18 Priorities – Status of Deliverables 23 June 18:15 – 18:45 Long-Term and Short-Term Options for Streamlining the Reviews 23 June 22:00 – 23:00 Internet Governance Strategic Discussion Progress The sessions will be in English only. The format for each will be a listen-only session via Adobe Connect. Adobe Connect Link: https://participate.icann.org/opencommunity/ Participant Code: 5542211258 Additional access numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> &ppc=5542211258&num=1-605-475-5606 [myrcplus.com] For more information about the Panama workshop and other upcoming ICANN Board meetings, please go to https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/2018-board-meetings [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> . About ICANN ICANN's mission is to help ensure a stable, secure and unified global Internet. To reach another person on the Internet, you need to type an address – a name or a number – into your computer or other device. That address must be unique so computers know where to find each other. ICANN helps coordinate and support these unique identifiers across the world. ICANN was formed in 1998 as a not-for-profit public-benefit corporation with a community of participants from all over the world. _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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AGENDA for the GP call on June the 14th, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić June 11, 2018

June 11, 2018

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next telephone conference. New topics for discussion are welcome. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on June the 14th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Cross-script Variants report, status, next steps 3. Discussion - Should we apply in defining in-script variants similar methodology to this one used in cross-script variants 4. AOB

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Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis June 2, 2018

June 2, 2018

All, I cannot help but think this is déjà vu. We started out very liberal as to our approach for variants in the Latin script and this panel submitted its proposal to IP for review in two separate occasions, early<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9jf1ThZFL4Ga0hhTTZndk1JNVE/view?ths=true> and mid<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNXPxAsquUJSQ5jRimMYjz3Es_sX-f1JRhi4Cbw…> 2017. The IP provided its feedback in those two opportunities (March 22<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aMLHw5ahtqmkB07zOJacvRUX-BHjXxXD-u9E9Be…> and October 18<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ra8odr5ksd82goz/Principles%20for%20repertoire%20a…>) and the variant sub-group adjusted course based on the feedback received. During the Brussels workshop in Jan 2018 (a year later after work started) the same questions were raised again (by newcomers), so we decided to have an impromptu phone call with the IP to have them explain their guidance. They came back with the same response, and provided examples to that end. This is what led us to rewrite the principles for variant inclusion<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IrT_kfildf1SumYUqjkaIkMT-TYx9IRqtuPMV4Y…>. Dennis From: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 2:40 PM To: Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Cc: Latin GP <LatinGP(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets Dear Colleagues, My opinion on this matter is the same as Meikal stated in this mail. We should make our own interpretation of rules and guidelines and stick to it. In the further discussion with IP we could modify our findings if there is enough reasons for it. Regards Mirjana From: Latin GP <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de> Date: Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 10:00 To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Cc: Latin GP <LatinGP(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets Dear colleuages, personally, I think we should conduct our own data-driven analysis based on our own interpretation of the rules and guidelines, and then ask IP for a review. After all, we are the community and it is our choice - they are only the ones to judge wether we meet the common criteria. That would be in line we the view they expressed, that the GPs are to guide IP. Best, Meikal On 31 May 2018 at 15:14, Tan Tanaka, Dennis <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>> wrote: It would be helpful if we could get the IP to issue an statement on the points you are raising below. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> Reply-To: "bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>" <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 5:24 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>>, Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de<mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de>>, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de<mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>>, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>> Cc: Latin GP <LatinGP(a)icann.org<mailto:LatinGP@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets And yet, in speaking with members of the IP (at San Juan), on the subject of the Least Astonishment Principle, what they said was "We are looking to the Generation Panels for guidance." And said further (on the matter of the breve and caron) "When I am typing something that includes one of them, I have to copy and paste because I can't tell which I am lookIng at." In short, while the two diacritics are clearly not identical, at least with sufficient magnification, as far as he was concerned there was no reason that they could not be classified by us as varients. What constitutes "identical in appearance" depends enormously on just how much magnification is assumed. The rationale for assuming anything larger than 12 point type is not at all obvious. Bill Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androi<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_And…>d On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Tan Tanaka, Dennis <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>> wrote: From: Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de<mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de>> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 10:14 AM To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>>, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de<mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>>, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org<mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>> Cc: Latin GP <LatinGP(a)icann.org<mailto:LatinGP@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets My conclusion is that it is more complex than reducing things to "homoglyphs" but I do not think that (at least linguistically) we have a strong definition of homoglyphs On homoglyphs the Latin GP has received the following guidance from IP, in writing and verbally (during the Brussels workshop) “In the context of the Root Zone, the Procedure is quite clear in that it considers simple similarity of appearance to be outside the scope of the Root Zone LGR. In admitting exact homoglyphs, the IP has been making the argument that ‘e’ in Latin (U+0065) and ‘е’ in Cyrillic(U+0435) are not just visually indistinguishable, but that their distinct code points effectively represent a disunification by script property.” – Email from IP to Latin GP of 18 October 2017 in response to our draft Principles for Inclusion and Exclusion of Code Points in Latin Script for the Root Zone, and in particular to our Analysis of Variants in the Latin Script for the Root Zone. “The kinds of variants to be defined in the Root Zone LGR are limited to homoglyphs, which are characters with essentially identical appearance by design, instead of merely similar appearance.” – Integration Panel feedback to Latin GP proposal of 22 March 2017.

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