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AE, OE, and Ligatures
by Bill Jouris Feb. 12, 2019

Feb. 12, 2019

Hi All, I have, thanks to a long plane ride, come up with what I hope is a clear exposition of the point that I was trying to make earlier this week. We have three relationships among 4 sets of code points. The code points are: - Latin Small Letters A and E - Latin Small Ligature Æ - Latin Small Ligature Œ - Latin Small Letters O and E There are potential variant relationships between each adjacent pair. Clearly these cannot all be made variant pairs, as transitivity would then require two ASCII letters (A and E) to be variants, which is not allowed. So the question becomes, when we look at the various pairs, which is the strongest case for variant and which is the weakest? If we look at the ligature Æ and the ligature Œ in one of the fonts where A is rendered as a we see æ. Comparing this to œ we see that visually they are at least a 2, and quite possible a 1. Which means this pair does need to be included as an in-script variant. In contrast, a comparison between AE and Æ (ae vs æ) is at best a 3 and perhaps even a 4. Likewise with OE and Œ (oe vs œ). But the resemblance is not, in my opinion, equal. Because of the vertical line on the right-hand side of the small letter A, there is about half as much white space at the top and bottom of the non-ligature A and E as in the case of O and E. Which to me says that, since we must drop one of these from consideration as a variant, OE and ligature Œ is the relationship which gets downgraded to Confusable. I hope that clarifies where I was coming from. (Certainly it is clearer than just saying "gut feel". Which, alas, was all I could come up with on the fly for an explanation.) Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Action Items, Brussels Workshop
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Feb. 6, 2019

Feb. 6, 2019

Action items enclosed … https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpJBiq2K5KBJ0sxrpxLxF06WMQaOBY0bhvTU7Za… Next conference call : Thursday, 21 Feb 2019 D

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Hebrew Cursive
by Meikal Mumin Feb. 6, 2019

Feb. 6, 2019

Hebrew cursive is used by Hebrew, Ladino, and Yiddish It is the standard everyday handwriting today across the three languages. It is also encoded in several fonts unicode fonts. I would suggest to reach out to Hebrew GP and ask for their view. https://www.quora.com/Should-I-learn-the-Hebrew-cursive-or-printed-alphabet… http://www.hebrewtoday.com/content/hebrew-writing http://www.oketz.com/fonts/script.html http://www.ulpan.net/hebrew-handwriting-and-rashi-script http://www.oketz.com/cursive/ https://omniglot.com/writing/hebrew.htm I highlighted the stronger candidates towards Latin. Not saying the need to be variants Below are some samples from cursive fonts: Cursive script Another version of the cursive script Cursive script with ligatures (informal) Website to convert between the two styles of the script: https://stevemorse.org/hebrew/printcurs.html?style=rtl&font=ashkenazi&leftp… Best, Meikal

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Notes from meeting with IP - 5 Feb 2019
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Feb. 6, 2019

Feb. 6, 2019

Link to notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6fV3pBjsz4j_hkPojA2qS92HN4t0enW3tMpI7C… Please review and provide input if I missed anything. D

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Lain-Greek variant discussion
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Feb. 6, 2019

Feb. 6, 2019

Hi All, This is the list of Latin-Greek Variants for our discussion. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Wo4yTSb0mEotj4r4LXR6AlUETrRflZre4r… Regards, Pitinan

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Note from discussion on IP feedback on proposal version4.
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Feb. 4, 2019

Feb. 4, 2019

Dear All, Please find attached the note of from the discussion on IP feedback document this morning. Hi Sarmad, Could you please share with the IP so they have input before the call tomorrow. Regards, Pitinan

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underlining
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Feb. 4, 2019

Feb. 4, 2019

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dmx0HaO_6Iu64AXsIDjbOWM1-B9uf9rfvRR…

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IP feedback on the Proposal for Latin script LGR dated 20190119
by Sarmad Hussain Feb. 2, 2019

Feb. 2, 2019

Dear All, Please find attached feedback from the IP members on the Latin LGR proposal. Regards, Sarmad From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> On Behalf Of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:35 PM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] [Ext] For IP: 2019-01-17 version of the Proposal for Latin script LGR-V4 Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the package of Latin Script LGR version 4.0. The XML is updated according to the latest fie from Mirjana, and the XML file name is included in the proposal. List of attachments: 1. LGR proposal version 4.0 date 2019-01-19 (Proposal-for-LatinScriptRootZone-LGR-V4-submitted-2019-01-19.docx) 2. LGR in XML(proposal-lgr-latin-20190119.xml) 3. LGR in HTML (proposal-lgr-latin-20190119.html) We will share this package to the IP, as instructed. Kindly review and let us know any feedback. Regards, Pitinan From: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs <mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> > Date: Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 00:05 To: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org <mailto:pitinan.koo@icann.org> >, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> > Cc: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org <mailto:latingp@icann.org> > Subject: [Ext] For IP: 2019-01-17 version of the Proposal for Latin script LGR-V4 Dear Pitinan, Dear Sarmad, Please find enclosed new version of the Proposal for Latin script LGR. Please be so kind to produce new version of XML file using Repertoire and Variants table submitted in the document. Also I would ask you to put the name of the XML file at the beginning of our Report. The placeholder for the name is commented by me for Pitinan. Then our report should be ready for new inspection by IP. Latin GP is submitting this Report to IP for new comments and suggestions. Best regards Mirjana Tasic

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Latin GP call with Integration Panel - 15:00 - 16:00 UTC on Feb 5.
by Sarmad Hussain Feb. 2, 2019

Feb. 2, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find below the details of the online meeting between Latin GP and Integration Panel members at 15:00 - 16:00 UTC (4-5pm Brussels time) on Feb 5. 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