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Notes from the call on 4th of July, 2019
by Mirjana Tasić July 11, 2019

July 11, 2019

Dear GP members, Please find included some notes from our last call. Every comment, suggestion or update are appreciated. Regards Mirjana Notes from the call on 4th of July, 2019 1. URL Underlining analysis completed 2. Appendix D merger – Meikal made an oversight using Trello tool<https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF/1-in-script-variants-analysis> for keeping track what is missing in Appendix D. There are 14 items more which should be analyzed, beside some other items which are not finished by GP members from previous assignment. All assigned and not completed items has in the title of item the code(1 to 7) which marks to whom the item was assigned. The assignment of new 14 new items is proposed as follows: No Item GP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above 1 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above 2 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above 3 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below 4 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below 5 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below 6 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below 7 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above 1 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above 3 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below 4 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute 5 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis) 6 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss 2 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa 7 Finished analysis could be inserted in Appendix D merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…>, or sent to the list in an e-mail. 1. Seven members of the GP will get accounts with wordmark.it. Pitinan will inform GP when accounts will be ready for use. 2. GP decided to use rest of the time in the call to look at Michaels contribution in the report about sharp s vs ss and his consultations with German, Austrian and Swiss ccTLD. This part of the report is cleaned of some remarks, but it should be discussed again with other GP members which were not present on this call. 3. Visual Analysis of in-script variants was also added to the agenda. Meikal said that in this topic all homoglyphs in the script should be analyzed. Up to now he has proposed only one “turned e vs schwa” It was proposed that all members of the panel should pass through the defined Repertoire and propose any other code points for Visual analysis.

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 11, 2019

July 11, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP call today, Thursday 11 July at 16:00 UTC. This invitation recurs weekly from now to ICANN66. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525. Please find the agenda from Mirjana as follows: AGENDA for the GP call on July the 11th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Reviewing the notes from 4th July meeting 3. Discussion on finalization the topic "Sharp s vs ss", page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics 5. Next meeting proposal July the 18th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Latin GP - Report version 5 schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 2. Meikal's Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 3. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 5. Bill's table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> Regards, Pitinan

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Third Version of Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone (RZ-LGR-3) Released
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 10, 2019

July 10, 2019

Dear All, We’d like to inform you that the LGR-3 is being released today. LGR-3 includes ten more scripts including Devanagari, Gurmukhi, Gujarati, Hebrew, Kannada, Malayalam. Oriya, Sinhala, Tamil, and Telugu. Please find the announcement at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2019-07-10-en. Best Regards, Pitinan

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AGENDA for the GP call on July the 11th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić July 9, 2019

July 9, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on July the 11th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Reviewing the notes from 4th July meeting 3. Discussion on finalization the topic “Sharp s vs ss”, page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics 5. Next meeting proposal July the 18th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Latin GP – Report version 5 schedule<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1siFPKNqSr-YGj0DKurvS3hcoa8Y8eAJUBHp…> 2. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 1. Apendix D Merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…> made by Meikal 2. Trello board with In-script analysis items<https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF/1-in-script-variants-analysis> 3. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 4. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt…

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 8, 2019

July 8, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a placeholder for the weekly Latin GP meeting on Thursdays, 16:00 UTC. This invitation recurs weekly from now to ICANN66. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525. Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Please check your e-mails for wordmark.it account
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Thank you Mirjana, This is a confirming receipt. We will get back to each individual when the accounts are available. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Friday, July 5, 2019 at 00:57 To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Please check your e-mails for wordmark.it account Dear GP members, Please check your e-mails in the letter which should be sent to ICANN for wordmark.it accounts. Also, if someone could improve my text, that help is most appreciated. I shall send this letter tomorrow evening, so everyone could give corrections and suggestions. Regards Mirjana Dear Pitinan, Dear Sarmad, During the conference call on July the 4th 2019, Latin GP concluded that there is a need for seven wordmark.it accounts for following members. 1Bill Jourisbill.jouris(a)gmail.com 2Dennis Tandt9176(a)gmail.com 3Hazem Hezzahhhezzah(a)gmail.com 4Mats Dufbergmats.dufberg(a)iis.se 5Meikal Muminmeikal(a)mumin.de 6Michael BoulandMichael.Bauland(a)knipp.de 7Mirjana Tasic tasmirjana(a)gmail.com These accounts are necessary to finalize Non-visual and Visual In-script Variant analysis. Latin GP is asking ICANN to provide wordmark.it accounts for specified members of Latin GP. Regards Mirjana Tasic Latin GP chair

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Please check your e-mails for wordmark.it account
by Mirjana Tasić July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Dear GP members, Please check your e-mails in the letter which should be sent to ICANN for wordmark.it accounts. Also, if someone could improve my text, that help is most appreciated. I shall send this letter tomorrow evening, so everyone could give corrections and suggestions. Regards Mirjana Dear Pitinan, Dear Sarmad, During the conference call on July the 4th 2019, Latin GP concluded that there is a need for seven wordmark.it accounts for following members. 1 Bill Jouris bill.jouris(a)gmail.com<mailto:bill.jouris@gmail.com> 2 Dennis Tan dt9176(a)gmail.com<mailto:dt9176@gmail.com> 3 Hazem Hezzah hhezzah(a)gmail.com 4 Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)iis.se<mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se> 5 Meikal Mumin meikal(a)mumin.de<mailto:meikal@mumin.de> 6 Michael Bouland Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de<mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> 7 Mirjana Tasic tasmirjana(a)gmail.com<mailto:tasmirjana@gmail.com> These accounts are necessary to finalize Non-visual and Visual In-script Variant analysis. Latin GP is asking ICANN to provide wordmark.it accounts for specified members of Latin GP. Regards Mirjana Tasic Latin GP chair

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Latin GP weekly meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP call. It is starting in about 10 minutes. (16:00 UTC) Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/866686947. Please find below the agenda and the message from Mirjana. Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. I am asking all mebers to make their rating for Latin Small Letter D vs Latin Small Letter D with Circumflex Below. Missing responses from DT, HH and MM https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> I am sending as an attachment the table with missing work for Appendix D. I had problems finding what tasks were assigned to which GP member, so I am asking everyone to help me with this. I cannot recognize diacritics from Meikal’s drawing . I am sending again Meikal’s drawing in this mail and additional assignment added later.. Any other comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on July the 4th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. URL underlining analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> – case Latin small letter D with circumflex below, everyone to make rating 3. Appendix D merger – ommisions to be fixed 4. Wordmark.it individual accounts 5. Next meeting proposal July the 11th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2. Following In script Non visual base letter shape analysis sent as .pdf.or word document could be found in Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/home/LatinGP-nonshared/InScriptVariantAnalysis-home… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_home_L…> · Hazzem · Mirjana · Bill · Meikal · Michael · Dennis · Missing reports from: * Mats 3. IN Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis (homework from Oct 2018 F2F meeting) · Michael https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6f_5JK5YIaoHeYSAQYJfXrW-AFnlkezJ9zwP20…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Mirjana https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZHyg35k_2eplhrGA0wy34U5TeUMi6FM-M-Im1…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Bill https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Hazem https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXM4xL5xh9My1QYIVwWrJqJ6djfRr7Ncz0IyNRF…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Meikal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fjxdwx_eRep94Xp5YcidiA_4svV73MFc8wLGM2z…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Dennis https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Mats, https://www.dropbox.com/home/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/InScriptVariantAna… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_home_L…> 4. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 5. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 6. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 7. Underlining analysis excel has two spread sheets : all analyzed code points in “ Sheet1” and code points “To Be Rated” https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> Spread sheet with agreed variants derived from underlining analysis is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRRU0kkbGdEdw-nYYXNI0PxgzqHjtgUCeZ7… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> Regards, Pitinan

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In-Script Non-Visual Analysis Plan
by Meikal Mumin July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Dear colleagues, I have summarized what has been done and what remains to be done on the In-Script Non-Visual analysis as summarized in Appendix D in a Trello Board here: https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF You can view it just like that that, but If you want access to write and comment on it, I have sent you separately an invitation by email. For those of you not familiar with Trello: It is a task management tool following the Kanban model. You create checklists and mark them off. Please take a look - I find it to be generally self explanatory. I’m not saying that the group has to make use of this tool for project planning in the future - it was just easier to summarize the current status of Appendix D in such a form rather than any a Word or Google Docs document. I would like to suggest to briefly talk this through on the call and redistribute the remaining tasks somehow, e.g. using the numbering system we used in Brussels. Best, Meikal

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How Authoritative Is Omniglot Really?
by Bill Jouris July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Dear colleagues, When we were developing our repertoire, our go-to reference for what glyphs are used in any given language was Omniglot. At the ICANN meeting in Marrakech last week, I was talking to a group of people about diacritics and such. And I mentioned in passing that (as shown in Omniglot https://www.omniglot.com/writing/spanish.htm ) the only diacritic used in Spanish is the tilde over an N. A couple of native speakers of Spanish immediately corrected me, saying that the acute and diaeresis are also used. (A quick search with Google confirms this.) The good news is, all of those glyphs are already in our repertoire. So no immediate problem there. The bad news, it seems to me, is this: in how many other languages does Omniglot fail to capture all of the diacritics or diacritic/letter combinations actually used? And how many of those result in glyphs which are not in our repertoire currently? (Which might resolve the mystery of why Unicode has so many pre-composed combinations which we didn't find.) I realize that answering that question necessarily involves going back through the repertoire research process again. Presumably using other sources. But I wonder if we can, in good conscience, fail to do so. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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