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Re: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on August the 22nd, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Aug. 22, 2019

Aug. 22, 2019

Thanks, Mats. Will do Enjoy your vacation! -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se> Date: Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 9:49 AM To: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs>, Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on August the 22nd, 2019, 16:00UTC Due to vacation and travel I will not be able to attend the meeting today. I sent an email to the list last Friday 2019-08-16 on my thoughts on the Sharp S issue. Please see that as my contribution to the discussion tonight. Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Thursday, 22 August 2019 at 00:35 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on August the 22nd, 2019, 16:00UTC Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. The agenda is the same as it was last few calls, only dates of calls are changed. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on August the 22nd, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>, IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> 3. Finalization of the topic “Sharp s vs ss”, page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal August the 29th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Latin GP – Report version 5 schedule<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1siFPKNqSr-YGj0DKurvS3hcoa8Y8eAJUBHp…> 2. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 3. Apendix D Merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items<https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF/1-in-script-variants-analysis> 5. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 6. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… 7. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 8. IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> produced by Dennis

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Please start the meeting without me, I have to restart the computer
by Mirjana Tasić Aug. 22, 2019

Aug. 22, 2019

Dear all, Please start without me, my computer has mixed time zones, I have to restart it. I am asking Dennis to take a lead.

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AGENDA for the GP call on August the 22nd, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Aug. 22, 2019

Aug. 22, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. The agenda is the same as it was last few calls, only dates of calls are changed. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on August the 22nd, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>, IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> 3. Finalization of the topic “Sharp s vs ss”, page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal August the 29th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Latin GP – Report version 5 schedule<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1siFPKNqSr-YGj0DKurvS3hcoa8Y8eAJUBHp…> 2. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 1. Apendix D Merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…> made by Meikal 2. Trello board with In-script analysis items<https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF/1-in-script-variants-analysis> 3. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 4. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… 1. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2. IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> produced by Dennis

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Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) U+00DF
by Mats Dufberg Aug. 16, 2019

Aug. 16, 2019

Dear all, As I see it, we have concluded that there are special issues around Sharp S and that we should find the best solution around it. We have identified four possible solutions given the restrictions given to us: 1. Excluding Sharp S from the repertoire. [NoIncl] 2. Making "ss" being a variant of Sharp S and "ss" being allocatable (variant the other way too, but maybe not allocatable). [Var1] 3. Making "ss" and Sharp S being blocked variants to each other. [Var2] 4. Including Sharp S in the repertoire with any variant rules. [NoVar] For the selection of solution, we have identified three factors that we want to find the optimal mix of: 1. The risk for misconnection, i.e. the users reach a domain name under another TLD, should be minimized. [Mis] 2. If possible, all characters used for writing a language should be available for a TLD name. That is the goal for all languages that we have selected to support. [Inc] 3. The risk for failure of service, i.e. the users is redirected to something else that does not exist, should be minimized. [FoS] If we then set some score on how well the solutions handle the factors, where 3 means handles it completely (good) and 0 not at all (bad), we get more or less the table that Michael Bauland sent a week ago (but somewhat modified here). NoIncl | Var1 | Var2 | NoVar Mis (1) 3 | 3 | 3 | 0 Inc (2) 0 | 3 | 3 | 3 FoS (3) 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 If Sharp S is excluded or included with variant rules there is no risk of misconnection (score 3). If it is included without variant rules there is risk of misconnections for users of e.g. Chrome (score 0). If Sharp S is excluded, it will not be available for TLDs for German needs (score 0). If it is included (the other solutions) it is available (score 3). Failure of Service is the most complex factor in terms of scoring. If sharp S is excluded, it is never used for TLDs and no failure of service can occur for names under TLDs with Sharp S since they do not exist (score 3). If "ss" is a blocked variant of Sharp S users of Chrome and IE will experience failure of service (score 0). If "ss" is an allocatable variant we may have no "FoS" if the variants are activated and all that (score 2). If we Sharp S available without variant rules it is still, at least theoretically, but less likely, that the same Registry Operator get both TLDs, with Sharp S and with "ss" (score 1). So my conlusion: If Sharp S is included and let "ss" be a allocatable variant of it (Var1), then the problem of misconnection is handled completely, Sharp S will be available for the language that needs it and at least it will be possible to avoid the risk of failure of service. I think this is the best mix, the best solution. * The next question we should ask is how the different solutions will work if (when) Chrome and IE/Edge support IDNA 2008 fully (IE is deprecated, Edge is the replacement). * The upcoming two weeks I will be on vacation travelling. I might attend, but probably not. Yours, Mats (I here use "include" and "exclude" instead of "defer". In our document we have used the terms "include" and "exclude". I see no reason why we should use other terminology here. There are code points in MSR that we have decided exclude - or not include - that could be included in the future. There is nothing special about Sharp S.) --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 15 August 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Aug. 15, 2019

Aug. 15, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 15 August 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Continue to discuss how to complete the table “Balance Stability of the Root Zone and Inclusion of a code point” on the mailing list ALL This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin Wiki Page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP Regards, Pitinan

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weighted matrix vote
by Michael Bauland Aug. 15, 2019

Aug. 15, 2019

Hi all, since I won't be able to join the next two calls, I'll put my vote down here in this e-mail. We haven't yet decided on a scale, I'll just use one with three values (0-2), which seemed to be the latest choice at the end of our call. NoIncl | Var1 | Var2 | NoVar Mis (1) 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 Inc (2) 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 FoS (3) 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 Wishing everybody a nice summer. Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Aug. 15, 2019

Aug. 15, 2019

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AGENDA for the GP call on August the 15th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Aug. 14, 2019

Aug. 14, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. The agenda is the same as it was last few calls, only dates of calls are changed. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on August the 15th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>, IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> 3. Finalization of the topic “Sharp s vs ss”, page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal August the 22nd 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Latin GP – Report version 5 schedule<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1siFPKNqSr-YGj0DKurvS3hcoa8Y8eAJUBHp…> 2. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 1. Apendix D Merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…> made by Meikal 2. Trello board with In-script analysis items<https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF/1-in-script-variants-analysis> 3. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 4. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… 1. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2. IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> produced by Dennis

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Aug. 9, 2019

Aug. 9, 2019

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AGENDA for the GP call on August the 8th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Aug. 4, 2019

Aug. 4, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on August the 8th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> , IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> 3. Finalization of the topic “Sharp s vs ss”, page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal August the 15th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Latin GP – Report version 5 schedule<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1siFPKNqSr-YGj0DKurvS3hcoa8Y8eAJUBHp…> 2. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 1. Apendix D Merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…> made by Meikal 2. Trello board with In-script analysis items<https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF/1-in-script-variants-analysis> 3. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 4. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… 1. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2. IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP…> produced by Dennis

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