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Corrected median in Underlining Analysis
by Mats Dufberg June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

I noticed that the median calculation was wrong in some instances. Finally I found out how to fix it. I selected all cells G5:M73 and selected Format->Number and ticked "automatic". Some of the cells were "text" so that is why they were not included in the medians. Now all of medians are correct, and Bill should re-review them. I think Latin Small Letter N vs. Latin Small Letter N with Circumflex Below should probably go from "Variant" to "Not a Variant". I think there are other cases. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

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Latin GP weekly meeting 6/20 and beyond
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

All, I have updated the schedule<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1siFPKNqSr-YGj0DKurvS3hcoa8Y8eAJUBHp…> per our meeting today, albeit one adjustment. I had to move the continuation of our Sharp S analysis to the week of 7/15. Primarily because I cannot move Stacking Issues to that week since Bill will be off that week and the next. So our schedule for the following weeks looks like this: 6/20: Dotless I - @Mats Dufberg<mailto:mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se> please confirm if you will be able to deliver the materials to discuss this topic. Thank you 6/27: Non-visual (except IDNA2003 issues) - All of us should review section 6.1.3 of the Proposal. @Meikal Mumin<mailto:meikal@mumin.de> would you also have the collated worksheets ready on this date or a few days prior? Thank you. 7/4: Visual: No owner yet and I’m going to be off this week. Any takers? 7/11: Stacking Issues: @Bill Jouris<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> if you could publish (google doc or dropbox) the discussion paper to review in advance, that’d be great. Thank you. 7/18: Sharp S (continuation) -Dennis From: pitinan.koo(a)icann.org When: 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM June 20, 2019 Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Latin GP weekly meeting Location: https://icann.zoom.us/j/866686947 Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP call on Thursday 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/866686947. Regards, Pitinan

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Marrakesh
by Michael Bauland June 19, 2019

June 19, 2019

Hi, is anybody else going to the ICANN meeting in Marrakesh? Please let me know, then we can meet and sit down for a chat. Best regards, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp

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Latin GP weekly meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana June 19, 2019

June 19, 2019

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AGENDA for the GP call on June the 20th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić June 18, 2019

June 18, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. I am asking Dennis to add items I missed, or to change the order of items if he finds it necessary. Any other comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found either in Action items table or at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on June the 20th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. URL underlining analysis<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE…> – case Latin small letter D with circumflex below 3. Review text by Mats on dotless I (section 6.7.3 on page 62 in the Report) 4. Next meeting proposal June the 27th, 2019, 16:00 5. AOB REMINDERS 1. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… 1. Following In script Non visual base letter shape analysis sent as .pdf.or word document could be found in Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/home/LatinGP-nonshared/InScriptVariantAnalysis-home… · Hazzem · Mirjana · Bill · Meikal · Michael · Dennis · Missing reports from: * Mats 1. IN Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis (homework from Oct 2018 F2F meeting) · Michael https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6f_5JK5YIaoHeYSAQYJfXrW-AFnlkezJ9zwP20… · Mirjana https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZHyg35k_2eplhrGA0wy34U5TeUMi6FM-M-Im1… · Bill https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1… · Hazem https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXM4xL5xh9My1QYIVwWrJqJ6djfRr7Ncz0IyNRF… · Meikal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fjxdwx_eRep94Xp5YcidiA_4svV73MFc8wLGM2z… · Dennis https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0… · Mats, https://www.dropbox.com/home/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/InScriptVariantAna… 1. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 1. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 1. Underlining analysis excel has two spread sheets : all analyzed code points in “ Sheet1” and code points “To Be Rated” https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… Spread sheet with agreed variants derived from underlining analysis is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRRU0kkbGdEdw-nYYXNI0PxgzqHjtgUCeZ7…

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Spreadsheet summarizing the Non-Visual Variants analysis results
by Meikal Mumin June 18, 2019

June 18, 2019

Dear colleagues, I was looking for the document summarizing the group decisions regarding the non-visual in-script variants. I seem to remember that after all members produced their individual analyses, we collated the results from those in a spreadsheet and took votes on them as a group (as in other cases). I can’t find that file anymore - could someone help me out with the URL? Thanks, Meikal

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Case folding of I and dotless I
by Mats Dufberg June 18, 2019

June 18, 2019

I have proposed a text on dotless I into the Proposal, version 5. (*) It is section 6.7.3 on page 62. Please review. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

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Revised agenda for June the 13th meeting
by Mirjana Tasić June 13, 2019

June 13, 2019

Dear GP members, Dennis proposed some changes for today meeting. Here is new Agenda. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on June the 13th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call (5 min) 2. Review Latin GP - Version 5 Schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> (10 min) 3. URL underlining analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> – review sheets produced by Bill (10 min) 4. Discussion on Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> (30 min) 5. AOB (5 min)

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Excuse for today
by Mats Dufberg June 13, 2019

June 13, 2019

I am sorry, but today I have meeting at work that collide with the LatinGP meeting, and I have to prioritize the meeting at work. Talk to you next week. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

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Re: [Latingp] Latin GP weekly meeting
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis June 13, 2019

June 13, 2019

Mirjana, Since you asked me to review the agenda, this is what I propose for tomorrow’s meeting. AGENDA for the GP call on June the 13th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call (5 min) 2. Review Latin GP - Version 5 Schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> (10 min) 3. URL underlining analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> – review sheets produced by Bill (10 min) 4. Discussion on Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> (30 min) 5. AOB (5 min) Dennis From: pitinan.koo(a)icann.org When: 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM June 13, 2019 Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Latin GP weekly meeting Location: https://icann.zoom.us/j/866686947 Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP call today, 13 June, Thursday 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/866686947. Please find the message and agenda from Mirjana as follows. Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. I am asking Dennis to add items I missed, or to change the order of items if he finds it necessary. Any other comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. I am asking Mats to fill his findings on non-visual analysis of Latin code points in template for Appendix D [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…>. You should download tempate, fill it with your analysis and send it to Latin GP mail. If you forgot where are your findings, you can find links to your documents in REMAINDERS section item no 3. All links to relevant working documents could be found either in Action items table or at the end of this document in the sectionREMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on June the 13th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. URL underlining analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> – review sheets produced by Bill 3. Discussion on Appendix: IDNA Compatibility – Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 4. Think of unassigned tasks from Latin GP - Version 5 Schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 5. Final Report review – resolution of comments and remarks 6. Next meeting proposal June the 15th, 2019, 16:00 7. AOB Action items from previous calls ACTION ITEM STATUS 1. Complete URL Underlining Analysis * Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP * Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well * Consider incorporating “q” vs “g” in similarity section; mention URL underlining case * Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants * Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining) 1. Dennis started 2. Meikal and Bill should provide table based on Denis proposal for further investigation of underlining-RESOLVED 3. Meikal an Bill offered excel sheets for evaluation 4. Table for rating underlined code points is HERE [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 5. All members to put marks in this table 6. Bill summarized inspection of code points 7. Panel review of code points with inconsistent eveluation 8. Panel agreed to give all members the oportunity to challenge rating til May the 27th.. After that Bill volunteered to make two spradsheets: first [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> with agreed variants, the second [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…>with code points to be further investigated. 9. ALL – Rate code points non egreed as variants 10. ALL- to rate non agreed variant code points. Some ratings from MM missing 11. Bill to finalize variants for non agreed code points 2. Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposal 1.Dennis, Meikal, Bill 2. ALL-Resolve comments in Final Report 3. Review “base character” analysis per assignments finish reviewing previous work Finished reports could be found HERE [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_home_L…> 4. Further input on German Eszett by German Registries Michael. Text added in Final Report 5. Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support “lˇl” (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- Michael, results from discussion with IP Short report on this action is included in Final report 6. Develop test label strategy Mirjana gave Proposal[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> Sarmad and Pitinan provided test labels for Repertoire[drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_open-…> Test labels for variants should be provided 7. Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issues Mats 8. Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next version Denis provided Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> To be reviewed by Panel 9. Maintenance of list of cases for additional similarity review 1. Bill.-Table could be found HERE[dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 2. What are next steps? 10. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.docx) [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 1. Bill- Text could be found HERE[dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 2. Problem should be discussed by Panel 11. In script analysis on visual ground NOT STARTED YET 12. Discussion on filling final report with results of our analysis of In-script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis. Maikal gave the suggestion in Appendix D. We should decide how to fill final report with our results. The problem was discussed and Meikal provided template for Appendix D [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> . Template was accepted by panel. 13. Filling Appendix D template [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…>with findings from non-visual analysis. Contributions are in Appendix D[drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 1. Finished : Mirjana, Meikal, Michael, Denis, Bill, Hazzem 2. Expecting (Mats) 14. Wordmark.it users, who needs them REMINDERS 1. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 2. Following In script Non visual base letter shape analysis sent as .pdf.or word document could be found in Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/home/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/InScriptVariantAna… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_home_L…> ˇ Hazzem ˇ Mirjana ˇ Bill ˇ Meikal ˇ Michael ˇ Dennis ˇ Missing reports from: · Mats 3. IN Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis (homework from Oct 2018 F2F meeting) ˇ Michael https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6f_5JK5YIaoHeYSAQYJfXrW-AFnlkezJ9zwP20… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> ˇ Mirjana https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZHyg35k_2eplhrGA0wy34U5TeUMi6FM-M-Im1… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> ˇ Bill https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> ˇ Hazem https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXM4xL5xh9My1QYIVwWrJqJ6djfRr7Ncz0IyNRF… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> ˇ Meikal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fjxdwx_eRep94Xp5YcidiA_4svV73MFc8wLGM2z…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> ˇ Dennis https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> ˇ Mats, https://www.dropbox.com/home/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/InScriptVariantAna… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_home_L…> 4. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 5. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Underlining analysis excel has two spread sheets : all analyzed code points in “ Sheet1” and code points “To Be Rated” https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> Spread sheet with agreed variants derived from underlining analysis ishttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRRU0kkbGdEdw-nYYXNI0PxgzqHjtgUCe… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> Regards, Pitinan

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