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Re: [Latingp] Codepoints from Esperanto
by Bill Jouris July 25, 2018

July 25, 2018

Hi Mirjana, I have updated https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF7… - to reflect the code points from Esperanto listed in the email below. - to add tabs for those letters which had been omitted because there was only one code point. (And now we have, for example, a second J code point.) I have also taken the liberty of adding a column to each letter tab to give the Unicode for each code point. I think that will make it easier, once we identify variants, to record exactly which code points are involved. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 3:54 PM Subject: Codepoints from Esperanto The following code points occur in Esperanto, but are not previously included in our Repertoire: Unicode Glyph Unicode Name 0109 ĉ Latin Small Letter C with Circumflex 011D ĝ Latin Small Letter G with Circumflex 0125 ĥ Latin Small Letter H with Circumflex 0135 ĵ Latin Small Letter J with Circumflex 016D ŭ Latin Small Letter U with Breve In addition, we had included 015D ŝ Latin Small Letter S with Circumflex This in our repertoire, but the only example was from Tswa, which is EGIDS 5 -- which the IP apparently doesn't consider sufficient for inclusion. So we may want to modify the entry to reflect Esperanto there. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Re: [Latingp] Repertoire and Latin Extended A
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 23, 2018

July 23, 2018

Hi Mats …. have we used the corresponding ccTLD’s repertoires too? For example, 014F and 00FF are included in DENIC’s table. And for Swedish, dotSE’s latin table is larger than ICANN’s reference LGR. -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Date: Monday, July 23, 2018 at 9:52 AM To: Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de>, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com>, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Cc: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Repertoire and Latin Extended A Mirjana, Since I promised to review the second-level LGRs to see if there are any characters in any of those languages that we have not include I have also done that and this is my findings (Bill and Meikal have at least looked at some of them): U+00FF is included for French. Omniglot does not list it, but Wikipedia does. U+0157 is included for Latvian. Omniglog does not list it. Wikipedia does, but today only used in diaspora (as Meikal pointed out). The other missing code-points from Latin Extended-A were not found. Code points I looked at: 00FF LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS (French) 0109 LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CIRCUMFLEX 0125 LATIN SMALL LETTER H WITH CIRCUMFLEX 0135 LATIN SMALL LETTER J WITH CIRCUMFLEX 014F LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH BREVE 0157 LATIN SMALL LETTER R WITH CEDILLA (Latvian) 0163 LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH CEDILLA 0177 LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH CIRCUMFLEX The LGRs can be found at https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/second-level-lgr-2015-06-21-en * A comment to Bill and Meikal: The LGR for German and Spanish lists U+014F (ŏ) LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH BREVE as *excluded* not as included. You have to go down to “repertoire by code point” to see what is included. They also have a concept of “extended code point” which is in between included and excluded, e.g. U+00E0 for Spanish. Ÿ (U+00FF) is neither included in English nor German. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de> Date: Monday, 23 July 2018 at 00:11 To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> Cc: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Repertoire and Latin Extended A Dear colleagues, On 22 July 2018 at 21:49, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> wrote: Hi Mirjana, I've reviewed the repertoire we have (after adding Esperanto) and compared it to the Unicode table's Basic Latin, Latin-1 Supplement, and Latin Extended-A codepoints. The following entries from Latin-1 Supplement are included in MSR-2, but not included in our repertoire: 00FF ÿ Latin Small Letter Y with Diaeresis This occurs rarely in personal names in German https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%B8#Franz%C3%B6sisch and in French in place names amongst others (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%B8#Fran%C3%A7ais) The following entries from Latin Extended-A are included in MSR-3 but not included in our repertoire: 014F ŏ Latin Small Letter O with Breve 0157 ŗ Latin Small Letter R with Cedilla FYI ÿ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for English (much to my amazement, as I have never encountered it previously), but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language. A quick search did not yield any evidence for English, but German - see above. ŏ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for Spanish, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language. A quick search did not yield any supporting evidence. ŗ is listed in the ICANN LGR for Latvian, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR. This https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%96 says it was used historically in Lativian. This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_orthography clarifies that it is part of an older orthography still in use in diaspora communities. LGR for language deu-Latn — German<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/lgr-second-level-ger…> LGR for language deu-Latn — German This is way larger than the set of characters used in German, even taking into consideration loans and borrowings from other languages. I would be interested to know who developed this on what basis. Some sources are 404. LGR for language eng-Latn — English <https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/lgr-second-level-eng…> LGR for language eng-Latn — English LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish<https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/lgr/lgr-second-level-spa…> LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp Best, Meikal

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Repertoire and Latin Extended A
by Bill Jouris July 23, 2018

July 23, 2018

Hi Mirjana, I've reviewed the repertoire we have (after adding Esperanto) and compared it to the Unicode table's Basic Latin, Latin-1 Supplement, and Latin Extended-A codepoints. The following entries from Latin-1 Supplement are included in MSR-2, but not included in our repertoire:00FF ÿ Latin Small Letter Y with Diaeresis The following entries from Latin Extended-A are included in MSR-3 but not included in our repertoire: 014F ŏ Latin Small Letter O with Breve0157 ŗ Latin Small Letter R with Cedilla FYI ÿ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for English (much to my amazement, as I have never encountered it previously), but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language.ŏ is listed in the ICANN LGRs for German and for Spanish, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR, for either language. ŗ is listed in the ICANN LGR for Latvian, but does not appear in Omniglot, nor in the Wikipedia alphabet referenced in the LGR. LGR for language deu-Latn — German | | | LGR for language deu-Latn — German | | | LGR for language eng-Latn — English | | | LGR for language eng-Latn — English | | | LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish | | | LGR for language spa-Latn — Spanish | | | Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 19, 2018

July 19, 2018

Dear Latin GP members , Please find the agenda for Latin GP meeting on Thursday, 19 July 2018 at 16:00 UTC AGENDA for the GP call on July the 19th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Face to face meeting in September or October, do we have a final dates 3. IP comments on repertoire - material for discussion https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ucbOomIbJys4l4bUQyKuyrg8bP3QXFdEngxeA0d… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 4. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 5. Next telephone conference August the 2nd 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan ---------------------------- Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Re: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on July the 19th, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Mats Dufberg July 16, 2018

July 16, 2018

Mirjana, I have no invitation for that meeting. Could you please send all call-in information for the meeting, or could I use the same information as for the meeting two weeks ago? Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Sunday, 15 July 2018 at 19:14 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on July the 19th, 2018, 16:00UTC Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. I am still working on IP comments. Please look at the documents in Agenda item #3 and #4 before telephone conference. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on July the 19th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Face to face meeting in September or October, do we have a final dates 3. IP comments on repertoire – material for discussion https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ucbOomIbJys4l4bUQyKuyrg8bP3QXFdEngxeA0d… 1. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y… 1. Next telephone conference August the 2nd 2. AOB

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AGENDA for the GP call on July the 19th, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić July 15, 2018

July 15, 2018

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. I am still working on IP comments. Please look at the documents in Agenda item #3 and #4 before telephone conference. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on July the 19th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Face to face meeting in September or October, do we have a final dates 3. IP comments on repertoire – material for discussion https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ucbOomIbJys4l4bUQyKuyrg8bP3QXFdEngxeA0d… 1. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y… 1. Next telephone conference August the 2nd 2. AOB

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Re: [Latingp] Finalize cross-script analysis Latin/Cyrillic
by Mirjana Tasić July 14, 2018

July 14, 2018

Dear GP members, We shall have our regular GP meeting next Thursday, 19 of July. I shall share soon my Proposal of Agenda. One of the topics shall be the discussion how to finalize Latin/Cyrillic analysis. Regards Mirjana From: Latin GP <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Reply-To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Friday, July 13, 2018 at 22:23 To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Finalize cross-script analysis Latin/Cyrillic All, Can we meet next Thursday 19, 16:00 UTC to finalize the Latin/Cyrillic analysis? (this is our usual meeting time). If we have quorum of 4-5 panel members we can ask Pitinan or Sarmad to provide the Adobe connect details. Please respond if you can attend. Thank you, Dennis

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Finalize cross-script analysis Latin/Cyrillic
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 13, 2018

July 13, 2018

All, Can we meet next Thursday 19, 16:00 UTC to finalize the Latin/Cyrillic analysis? (this is our usual meeting time). If we have quorum of 4-5 panel members we can ask Pitinan or Sarmad to provide the Adobe connect details. Please respond if you can attend. Thank you, Dennis

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Latin GP Face to Face meeting
by Sarmad Hussain July 13, 2018

July 13, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, Based on our discussion during the Latin GP call and follow up discussion with Brussels office, 24-26 September are being suggested for the Latin GP face to face meeting. Kindly let us know if these dates are suitable. Regards, Sarmad From: Latingp [mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 3:24 PM To: latingp(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 5 July 2018 Dear Latin GP members, I’m resending to attach the files. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org <mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org> > on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org <mailto:pitinan.koo@icann.org> > Date: Friday, July 6, 2018 at 03:18 To: "latingp(a)icann.org <mailto:latingp@icann.org> " <latingp(a)icann.org <mailto:latingp@icann.org> > Subject: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 5 July 2018 Dear Latin GP Members, Please find attached the summary of the meeting of Latin GP Meeting on 5 July 2018. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Confirm the F2F meeting date during second half of September 2018. SH 2 Add reference for proof of use of ĕ (Latin small letter with breve). MT 3 Review the IP feedback Google Doc and comment or suggest responses. ALL 4 Classify the cross-script variant cases which two inspectors disagree DT This summary and the recording will be posted at the Latin GP wiki page at shortly <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di…> https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP[community.… Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Latin GP Face to Face meeting
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 12, 2018

July 12, 2018

October dates are fine too. On 7/12/18, 12:16 PM, "Latingp on behalf of Sarmad Hussain" <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org on behalf of sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> wrote: Dear All, Thank you for responding. I also wanted to check if an alternate set of dates 1-3 October would also be possible. Regards, Sarmad -----Original Message----- From: Latingp [mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michael Bauland Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:06 AM To: latingp(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Latingp] Latin GP Face to Face meeting Dear Sarmad, the dates are fine for me. Thanks, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp

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