- Latingp - lists.icann.org

Agenda for the Latin GP call 28 May 2020
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana May 28, 2020

May 28, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, Please find the proposed agenda for the Latin GP call today. AGENDA for the GP call on May 28th , 2020, 16:00UTC Report finalization 1.1. D.7 Generic Glyphs --- to confirm relevant text in section 6.3.4 1.2. D.8 Caron Above --- to confirm relevant text in section 5.3.2. Latin Small Letter I (i,0069) and Latin Small Letter Dotless I (ı,0131) https://docs.google.com/document/d/11aads2CRTE7C_gpSejL8ltW2Z8fMNZXT2cWdT0y… [docs.google.com] Variant consideration for Latin Small Letter I (i,0069) and Latin Small Letter I with Acute (í, 00ED) Next tasks- discuss the priorities: 4.1. Report finalization 4.2. XML production and correction of possible errors 4.3. Test data production 4.4. Review proposed confusables for Similarity review Next meeting June 4th, 2020, 16:00 UTC AOB Regards, Pitinan

3 2

Re: [Latingp] [Updated Zoom Link] Latin GP Meeting
by Mats Dufberg May 28, 2020

May 28, 2020

"The meeting is scheduled for 2020-04-16" it says. Is that a problem? Or will it start anyway? Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: pitinan.koo(a)icann.org When: 17:00 - 18:00 19 March 2020 Subject: [Latingp] [Updated Zoom Link] Latin GP Meeting Location: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95395839226?pwd=ZGxpYmRqV2E2NjloWTFHZWNGbkJWZz09 Dear Latin GP members, We have updated the zoom link for Latin GP meetings on Thursdays 16:00UTC. Please join the meeting at the updated link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95395839226?pwd=ZGxpYmRqV2E2NjloWTFHZWNGbkJWZz09 Password: 096517 Regards, Pitinan -------------- To join via phone, please find your local number at https://icann.zoom.us/u/aw6COk4xD Meeting ID: 953 9583 9226 Password: 096517

1 0

Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 21 May 2020
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana May 28, 2020

May 28, 2020

Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 21 May 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Conduct the dotless I test case in a locale tr_TR machinePK 2Start the Google Document for drafting the underlining analysis text MD The recording for this meeting and the note are posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

4 4

Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 21 May 2020
by Mats Dufberg May 28, 2020

May 28, 2020

Pitinan created the document in the link below and I have written about two pages of background text. I would guess that it will be some 4-6 pages when done. Is that too long? Please review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q0aMRBwo9qUPxhQYqAgNH-o-kp7GO_X46qQ2SVq… Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Thursday, 28 May 2020 at 16:08 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 21 May 2020 Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 21 May 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Conduct the dotless I test case in a locale tr_TR machine PK 2 Start the Google Document for drafting the underlining analysis text MD The recording for this meeting and the note are posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

1 0

Re: [Latingp] Behavior under Turkish locale
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana May 25, 2020

May 25, 2020

Dear all, Please find attached the test result with tr_TR locale both Word and PDF version to ensure the format. This agrees with the test result from Mats. Regards Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 19:59 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Behavior under Turkish locale I have tested the down casing of LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE under Turkish locale. I have set the locale to tr_TR.UTF-8 and done down casing operations. First I tested in a command line. Under both FreeBSD 12.1 and Linux Mint 193 (more or less the same as Ubuntu 18.04). I tested with the Emacs editor and a Perl script. The behavior showed no special treatment of that down casing. It behaved the same was as under locale sv_SE.UTF-8 and created the sequence of "i" plus "dot above" mark. I also configured a user on the Linux computer. I arranged a normal login to the graphical system and converted it to Turkish in all senses (which made hard to manage). I tried "PİR.se" in both Firefox and Chromium (open-source version of Chrome). In both cases, the web browser downcased the LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE to the sequence that Dennis has already shown, and turned that into the A-label "xn--pir-9dc". Thinking about it, I do not think this is surprising. There has been no breakthrough of IDN, and in the dominating Internet usage over time LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE has not been in use and the special downcasing and upcasing rules for Turkish have been meaningless for domain names. Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

1 0

Re: [Latingp] Behavior under Turkish locale
by Mats Dufberg May 21, 2020

May 21, 2020

I want to add that "PIR" (ASCII) was consistently down cased to "pir" (ASCII) even in Turkish locale. Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se> Date: Thursday, 21 May 2020 at 14:59 To: ICANN Latin GP <Latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Behavior under Turkish locale I have tested the down casing of LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE under Turkish locale. I have set the locale to tr_TR.UTF-8 and done down casing operations. First I tested in a command line. Under both FreeBSD 12.1 and Linux Mint 193 (more or less the same as Ubuntu 18.04). I tested with the Emacs editor and a Perl script. The behavior showed no special treatment of that down casing. It behaved the same was as under locale sv_SE.UTF-8 and created the sequence of "i" plus "dot above" mark. I also configured a user on the Linux computer. I arranged a normal login to the graphical system and converted it to Turkish in all senses (which made hard to manage). I tried "PİR.se" in both Firefox and Chromium (open-source version of Chrome). In both cases, the web browser downcased the LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE to the sequence that Dennis has already shown, and turned that into the A-label "xn--pir-9dc". Thinking about it, I do not think this is surprising. There has been no breakthrough of IDN, and in the dominating Internet usage over time LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE has not been in use and the special downcasing and upcasing rules for Turkish have been meaningless for domain names. Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

1 0

[Updated Zoom Link] Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana May 21, 2020

May 21, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP call today, 21 May 2020, 16:00UTC. Please join the meeting at the updated link: https://icann.zoom.us/j/95395839226?pwd=ZGxpYmRqV2E2NjloWTFHZWNGbkJWZz09 Password: 096517 AGENDA for the GP call on May the 21st, 2020, 16:00UTC 1. Latin Small Letter I (i,0069) and Latin Small Letter Dotless I (i,0131) https://docs.google.com/document/d/11aads2CRTE7C_gpSejL8ltW2Z8fMNZXT2cWdT0y… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2. Report finalization - discussion topics * D.4.22 Finalize the in-script Variant Analysis sheet. * D.5.1 Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF --- confirm to remove Appendix E as S and S with below diacritics are not variants. * D.5.2 Latin Small Letter Dotless I (i) 0131 --- waiting for conclusion. * D.6 Underlining Evaluation Process --- underlining is not relevant to the variant analysis. Add conclusion to 6.6.1 * D.7 Generic Glyphs --- to confirm relevant text in section 6.3.4 * D.8 Caron Above --- to confirm relevant text in section 5.3.2. 3. Next tasks- discuss the priorities: * Thorough reading and finalization of In-Script variant analysis * Review proposed confusables for Similarity review * Report finalization * XML production and correction of possible errors * Test data production 4. Next meeting May the 28th 2020, 16:00 UTC 5. AOB Regards, Pitinan -------------- To join via phone, please find your local number at https://icann.zoom.us/u/aw6COk4xD Meeting ID: 953 9583 9226 Password: 096517

1 0

Behavior under Turkish locale
by Mats Dufberg May 21, 2020

May 21, 2020

I have tested the down casing of LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE under Turkish locale. I have set the locale to tr_TR.UTF-8 and done down casing operations. First I tested in a command line. Under both FreeBSD 12.1 and Linux Mint 193 (more or less the same as Ubuntu 18.04). I tested with the Emacs editor and a Perl script. The behavior showed no special treatment of that down casing. It behaved the same was as under locale sv_SE.UTF-8 and created the sequence of "i" plus "dot above" mark. I also configured a user on the Linux computer. I arranged a normal login to the graphical system and converted it to Turkish in all senses (which made hard to manage). I tried "PİR.se" in both Firefox and Chromium (open-source version of Chrome). In both cases, the web browser downcased the LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE to the sequence that Dennis has already shown, and turned that into the A-label "xn--pir-9dc". Thinking about it, I do not think this is surprising. There has been no breakthrough of IDN, and in the dominating Internet usage over time LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE has not been in use and the special downcasing and upcasing rules for Turkish have been meaningless for domain names. Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

1 0

Re: [Latingp] Handling of down casing of I-dotted in Turkish locale
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis May 21, 2020

May 21, 2020

There are two set of rules, one for non-Turkish # Preserve canonical equivalence for I with dot. Turkic is handled below. 0130; 0069 0307; 0130; 0130; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE And another for Turkish # Turkish and Azeri # I and i-dotless; I-dot and i are case pairs in Turkish and Azeri # The following rules handle those cases. 0130; 0069; 0130; 0130; tr; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE 0130; 0069; 0130; 0130; az; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DOT ABOVE # When lowercasing, remove dot_above in the sequence I + dot_above, which will turn into i. # This matches the behavior of the canonically equivalent I-dot_above 0307; ; 0307; 0307; tr After_I; # COMBINING DOT ABOVE 0307; ; 0307; 0307; az After_I; # COMBINING DOT ABOVE # When lowercasing, unless an I is before a dot_above, it turns into a dotless i. 0049; 0131; 0049; 0049; tr Not_Before_Dot; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I 0049; 0131; 0049; 0049; az Not_Before_Dot; # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I # When uppercasing, i turns into a dotted capital I 0069; 0069; 0130; 0130; tr; # LATIN SMALL LETTER I 0069; 0069; 0130; 0130; az; # LATIN SMALL LETTER I # Note: the following case is already in the UnicodeData.txt file. # 0131; 0131; 0049; 0049; tr; # LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I If I understand this correctly, when we test the IDNA behavior of the uppercase string in a Turkish setting we should see the behavior described in the second part. -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 4:27 PM To: ICANN Latin GP <Latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Handling of down casing of I-dotted in Turkish locale The link below goes to the file in the Unicode database that handles the special casing rules for i etc in Turkish and Azerian (sp?). The relevant section is the last section of the file. https://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/SpecialCasing.txt<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dlxHfZjx47yHAT5TJ-TrHDc10FAKGc9NIcXVBJkyDPDxP…> --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

3 3

Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 14 May 2020
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana May 20, 2020

May 20, 2020

Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 14 May 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. Action Items: S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Prepare test case for dotless I and conduct the testALL 2Review the finalized in-script variant sheet ALL The recording for this meeting and the note are posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

1 0