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Latin GP Variants Session 3 - Notes July 14
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 14, 2017

July 14, 2017

Bill, Thanks. My feedback below. I will add what we talked about the Similarity Principle to which we are going to use the Unicode PDF charts to establish visual similarity. I will also add the definition of visual similarity to our work document, that is, the code points that were designed to be visually identical by the Unicode Consortium. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com> Date: Friday, July 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Cc: Michael Bauland <michael.bauland(a)knipp.de>, Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de>, Mirjana Tasić <mirjana.tasic(a)rnids.rs> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Latin GP Variants Session 3 - After You Left Hi Dennis, Here's what happened in the second half of the meeting: We continued reviewing the Principles. · We reviewed Principle 2) Semantics, and made some changes. In particular, it was felt that whether a particular variation should be considered depends on how large a segment of the user community would consider it a variant, as opposed to something entirely different. (We decided that establishing exactly what "large enough" was should wait until later.) DT: I believe I agree with this approach. Build a candidate list first, then finalized with a thorough analysis. · On Principle 4 (Inclusion), we observe that the Repertoire group is compiling data on non-MSR-2 codepoints which are used by languages using Latin script. But decided that we would not look at variants of those until and unless a change to MSR is agreed to. DT: Agreed. · We talked about Principle 5 (Symmetry and Transitivity) and decided that, since those are established already at a higher level, we would not touch the wording. DT: Ok. Makes sense. · We renamed the 6th Principle from Inclusion (which, as you noted, had already been used) to Universe. And at Michael's suggestion added the possibility of characters which had migrated between scripts. (The obvious case is numerals, which migrated to Latin script from Arabic. While numerals are excluded from our work, it seems possible that there will be other codepoints which are not.) DT: I’m confused. Does the Universe Principle have to do with the scope of scripts we are going to look at, or specific code points? It seems to me that it is the former, so I’m confused about the Latin/Arabic numerals example. · After some discussion, we felt that the later sections could be put aside at the moment. (Some of the text from the Cross-Script Variants section has been moved to the Universe Principle.) DT: OK. · We propose to meet again in two weeks, at the same time, but on Thursday. DT: Alright. This is going to be on July 27, so I won’t be able to join. Sarmad may be able to help with providing the virtual meeting space. · · Between now and the meeting, we should start compiling a table of variants. Initially, we would be looking cross-script variants. We propose to start by looking at the repertoires identified by the other WGs, and see what is there that would be a variant of what our Repertoire group is finding. DT: Agreed. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Latin GP Variants - Session 3
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 13, 2017

July 13, 2017

When: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:00 AM-12:00 PM. (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) Where: See below notes *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- Join me now in my Personal Room. Join WebEx meeting https://verisignmeetings.webex.com/join/dtantanaka | 733 138 704 Join from a video conferencing system or application Dial dtantanaka(a)verisignmeetings.webex.com<sip:dtantanaka@verisignmeetings.webex.com> If you are the host, you can also enter your host PIN in your video conferencing system or application to start the meeting. Join by phone 1-206-4450105 Call-in number 1-877-3614628 Call-in toll-free number Conference Code: 651 480 8570 Show global numbers<https://www.tcconline.com/offSite/OffSiteController.jpf?cc=6514808570> Can't join the meeting?<https://help.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412> IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the session.

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Notes from the telephone conference July 11th, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić July 11, 2017

July 11, 2017

Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the minutes from today call. Comment and corrections are welcome. Regards Mirjana

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Completed my review of REP-CodePointPrinciples-forLatinScriptGP-Ver-02.docx
by Meikal Mumin July 11, 2017

July 11, 2017

Dear colleagues, I have completed my review of REP-CodePointPrinciples-forLatinScriptGP-Ver -02.docx, and made a couple of suggestion for changes. Most of them are meant to improve the readability of the language and text, however I have left comments separately, where I think we need to take a second look. Thanks, Meikal

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FYI - LATIN GP timeline
by Mirjana Tasić July 11, 2017

July 11, 2017

Dear GP members, please find enclosed our Timeline. Regards Mirjana LATIN GP – Work plan Timeline Panel was seated on May 15th, 2017 Start week End week Task Start date End date 1 2 Initiate work 15 May 31 May 3 6 Develop Principles 1 June 30 June 7 26 Develop Code Point Variants 1 July 30 November 7 30 Develop Code Point Repertoire 1 July 31 December 31 34 Integration of different groups work products 1 January 2018 31 January 2018 35 40 Discuss WLE Rules needed for Latin Script LGR 1 February 2018 15 March 2018 41 48 Prepare Latin Script LGR Proposal for Public Comment 16 March 2018 30 April 2018 49 58 Finalize Latin LGR Proposal 1 May 2018 15 July 2018

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Agenda for the conference call on 11th of July, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić July 11, 2017

July 11, 2017

Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the Agenda for today meeting. Regards Mirjana Agenda for the conference call on 11th of July, 2017 1. Roll call 2. Short report on Principles for inclusion and exclusion of code points for Latin script Repertoire https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VxRRJSHgI7-288Y_E9dgMpvKQPSKNgrfseaOnhl…<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VxRRJSHgI7-288Y_E9dgMpvKQPSKNgrfseaOnhl…> 1. Short report on Instructions for attesting Latin letters in MSR2 using available sources, starting from language alphabets side, in order to define Repertoire https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kwuUGgScE8astSs14jPTC3OiZZIIoPaxP_bV9Mi… 1. Short report on Variant Principles https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNXPxAsquUJSQ5jRimMYjz3Es_sX-f1JRhi4Cbw…<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNXPxAsquUJSQ5jRimMYjz3Es_sX-f1JRhi4Cbw…> 2. 3. Discussion – how to finish first versions of principles and prepare them for nonofficial public comment 4. Discussion - How to proceed with processing of languages for creating repertoire 5. AOB

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Latin GP meetings - 1200 noon UTC Tuesdays - fortnightly
by Sarmad Hussain July 11, 2017

July 11, 2017

A gentle reminder. Latin GP meeting on 11 July 2017 at 12noon UTC. Regards, Sarmad How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Access to Latin GP Dropbox
by Sarmad Hussain July 9, 2017

July 9, 2017

Dear All, I have given access to the Latin GP dropbox to you, following the decision during the face to face meeting. If you have not received an email with the link or cannot access the dropbox, please let me know offlist and I will provide you with the access. We will share this space to share our documents and reference materials. I will keep organizing these materials into folders as these are shared. As a start, there is also a good book in the dropbox which lists the letters of different languages spoken in Africa. It would be a good reference for those working on these languages. Regards, Sarmad

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Proposed agenda for the call on 4th of July, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić July 4, 2017

July 4, 2017

Dear GP members Here is the proposed agenda for today call: Agenda for the conference call on 4th of July, 2017 1. Roll call 2. Finalization of Principles for inclusion an exclusion of code points for Latin script 3. Finalization of Instructions for attesting Latin letters in MSR2 using available sources, starting from language alphabets side 4. How to proceed with languages processing for creating repertoire 5. AOB Regards Mirjana

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"troublesome-characters" for Latin GP
by Sarmad Hussain July 4, 2017

July 4, 2017

Dear All, A new version of draft-freytag-troublesome-characters-01.txt has been posted to the IETF repository. This standards track internet-draft aims to address the IAB Statement<https://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence-reports-documents/2015-2/iab-s…> and more. This has many code points Latin GP is considering in its variant analysis. You can send comments to i18n-discuss(a)iab.org<mailto:i18n-discuss@iab.org>. Name: draft-freytag-troublesome-characters Revision: 01 Title: Those Troublesome Characters: A Registry of Unicode Code Points Needing Special Consideration When Used in Network Identifiers Document date: 2017-06-30 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 42 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freytag-troublesome-characters-0…<URL:https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freytag-troublesome-characte…> Status:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-freytag-troublesome-character… Htmlized:https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-freytag-troublesome-characters-01 Htmlized:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-freytag-troublesome-ch… Diff:https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-freytag-troublesome-characters… Abstract: Unicode's design goal is to be the universal character set for all applications. The goal entails the inclusion of very large numbers of characters. It is also focused on written language; special provisions have always been needed for identifiers. The sheer size of the repertoire increases the possibility of accidental or intentional use of characters that can cause confusion among users, particularly where linguistic context is ambiguous, unavailable, or impossible to determine. A registry of code points that can be sometimes especially problematic may be useful to guide system administrators in setting parameters for allowable code points in an identifier system, and to aid applications in creating security aids for users. regards, Sarmad

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