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Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation
by Aziz Hilali July 18, 2017

July 18, 2017

<English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+R… Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regardsAziz HILALI AFRALO Chair--------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+R… Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. CordialementAziz HilaliAFRALO Chair

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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation
by Capda Capda July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

+++ Aziz and Alan Best Regards, 2017-07-17 18:17 GMT+02:00 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>: > [image: Boxbe] <https://www.boxbe.com/overview> This message is eligible > for Automatic Cleanup! (alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca) Add cleanup rule > <https://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Fkey…> > | More info > <http://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=31510024645…> > > Dear Pastor Peters, > > You addressed your questions to Aziz, but a few of them really are in my > domain and I will attempt to reply. > > The message I sent Aziz was a reminder and not the result of a recent ALAC > action. In 2008/9, we had the first Independent Review of At-Large. This > process was a long and complicated one that involved extensive consultation > all all levels of the community. One of the recommendations was that all > RALOs investigate how (note "how", not "if") to incorporate individual > unaffiliated members into their organization. That set of recommendations > was approved by the ICANN Board on 26 June 2009 (Resolution 2009-06-26-30). > > At that time, NARALO already had individual members, but it was the only > RALO that did. The "Recommendation", once approved by the Board, was no > longer an option (and notably, no RALO objected to it!) EURALO and > eventually APRALO developed procedures, each in their own way, to > accommodate users unaffiliated with ALSes. AFRALO and LACRALO have not done > so to date. > > The ongoing review of At-Large has come out with an even stronger > recommendation that individual users are essential, and that it MUST not be > required that a person interested in joining At-Large either form or find > an ALS. Although At-Large is generally not agreeing with the details of > this recommendation and particularly the implication that ALSes be > effectively abolished, all of our responses, including those of the RALOs > which all RALO members had a opportunity to contribute to, agreed that we > would have individual unaffiliated members in all regions. This > "compromise" has the advantage of allowing RALOs to set the specific rules > (within a reasonable envelope) of such individual membership. > > To address your number 2, the ALAC does not have direct jurisdiction over > RALOs, but RALOS are subject to certain rules made by the ALAC (and > developed with regional input) where the ICANN Bylaws and ALAC Rules of > Procedure give the ALAC such rights. Each RALO selects ALAC Members and by > doing so, the region gives those representatives the right to act on their > behalf. > > Regarding your question 5 on the benefits of individual members, the ICANN > Bylaws identifies At-Large as the home of all individual Internet users. As > originally envisioned, there would be ALSes which would allow (and I quote > the Bylaws) "every individual Internet user who is a citizen of a country > within the RALO's Geographic Region to participate in at least one of the > RALO's At-Large Structures". Clearly this is not the case now, and it is > unrealistic to believe that this is possible. Many ALSes have particular > orientations or interests (such as yours) and cannot be expected to > accommodate everyone. And two sets of external reviewers have recognized > that requiring someone to set up a new ALS just to be able to participate > in a RALO is not reasonable. > > At-Large had FAR TOO FEW PEOPLE who are really active in the policy work > for which ICANN exists. At-Large is not here to do outreach or organize and > participate in RALOs. These are necessary activities to allow us to thrive, > but the REAL reason we are here is to work with other parts of ICANN > representing user interests. Anything we can do to remove barriers to > allowing more participation is crucial to our existence. > > Alan > > At 16/07/2017 04:37 PM, Peters Omoragbon wrote: > > Dear Mr. Aziz > > Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my > unavoidable absence during the last call. > > On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic > means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds > 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC > Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. > 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does > not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of > their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it > presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on > issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA > 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that > ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. > So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest > decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. > 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be > done asap. > 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should > override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present > pressure? > Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an > attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the > benefit of vested interests and individuals. > > We oppose this motion. > > Thank you. > Pastor Peters Omoragbon > > > > On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < > afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > <English> > > Dear Members, > > As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought > to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review > requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, > the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need > to get this particular item completed with. > > As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this > particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could > not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. > In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual > membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with > At-Large reviews requirements. > > For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual > Membership Â» recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: > https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ > Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review > > Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: > The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider > their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 > experience. > I propose to modify it in this way: > "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years > after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated > members in light of experience gained during initial trial" > > I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the > conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as > presented in the above recommendation. > > Kindly provide your response within 72hrs > > Best regards > Aziz HILALI > AFRALO Chair > --------------------------- > > <French> > > Chers membres, > > D'aprÃ¨s les informations partagÃ©es lors de notre tÃ©lÃ©confÃ©rence > mensuelle, le prÃ©sident de lâ€™ALAC a attirÃ© notre attention sur le fait > que les RALO sont appelÃ©s Ã accepter les adhÃ©sions individuelles, et ce > suivant les exigences de la premiÃ¨re revue de lâ€™ALAC et les > recommandations de la revue actuelle dâ€™At-Large, Par consÃ©quent, nous > devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. > > Comme vous le savez, lors de lâ€™assemblÃ©e GÃ©nÃ©rale Ã Johannesburg, > cette recommandation du groupe de travail a Ã©tÃ© approuvÃ©e, mais nous > nâ€™avions pas pu lâ€™officialiser Ã cause du fait que toutes les > recommandations Ã©taient dans un mÃªme document et que le temps ne nous a > pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggÃ¨re que nous sÃ©parons > cette recommandation sur lâ€™adhÃ©sion individuelle pour se conformer avec > les exigence des revues dâ€™At-Large. > > Pour rÃ©fÃ©rence, voici le lien de la toute derniÃ¨re version distribuÃ©e > Ã Johannesburg de la recommandation relative Ã lâ€™adhÃ©sion individuelle: > https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ > Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review > > Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: > La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera > rÃ©examinÃ©e en 2019 au vue de lâ€™expÃ©rience de 2018. > Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: > Â«La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera > rÃ©examinÃ©e 2 ans aprÃ¨s la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de > lâ€™expÃ©rience de la pÃ©riode dâ€™essaiÂ». > > En ma qualitÃ© de PrÃ©sident dâ€™AFRALO, je demande sâ€™il y a des > objections pour lâ€™approbation des conditions sous lesquelles > lâ€™adhÃ©sion individuelle sera appliquÃ©e comme prÃ©sentÃ© dans la > recommandation mentionnÃ©e. > > PriÃ¨re rÃ©pondre dans les 72 heures. > > Cordialement > Aziz Hilali > AFRALO Chair > > _______________________________________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/ > mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: > 1;DM5PR03MB2714;27:m6+FtB07klVvKUJvlDAEblgOKYlgoq4oZDrfe7RnlHh+ > URrcIuFcs7Y2N7JPRT0+zaSj053KQuoJgoDhZCUdFiw9yv7XwWV7x/ > 2qoo822wb3pPlatBnQUfMzd5ysZY/F6mMb4MqdsPx3O66Lc8VLGQ== > X-Microsoft-Antispam-Mailbox-Delivery: > ex:0;auth:0;dest:I;ENG:(400001000128)(400125000095)( > 20160514016)(750103)(520002050)(400001001223)(400125100095)(61617095)( > 400001002128)(400125200095); > > _______________________________________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/ > mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 > > > _______________________________________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/ > mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 > > -- *Michel TCHONANG LINZECoordinateur GénéralÉVÈNEMENTS SUR LES TIC : - ICANN59 du 26 au 29 juin 2017 à Johannesburg - Afrique du Sud- Symposium TIC Afrique du 11 au 14 Juillet 2017 à Yaoundé - Cameroun- ITU TELECOM WORLD du 25 au 28 Septembre 2017 à Busan-Corée du Sud- CMDT-17 du 09 au 20 octobre 2017 à Buenos Aires - Argentine- 12ème FGI du 18 au 21 décembre 2017 à Genève - SuisseCAPDA (Consortium d'Appui aux Actions pour la Promotion et le Développement de l'Afrique)BP : 15 151 DOUALA - CAMEROUN Tél. : (237) 67775-39-63 / 24212-9493 Email : capdasiege(a)gmail.com <capdasiege(a)gmail.com> Site : www.capda.ong*

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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation
by Ali Hussein July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

Barrack I concur with your thoughts. We can always agree to disagree without casting aspersions on each other or resorting to unsavory language.. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Let us exercise sobriety while raising our concerns and avoid casting > aspersions regarding positions taken by others that may not be in line > with our positions. In any democracy the majority will always have > their way and the minority their say. > The Rules of Procedure working group has been meeting for a long time > and it has been reporting its progress during the monthly meetings. > Before the GA, participation of members during the monthly meetings > has been appalling to say the least even though most members are aware > of the monthly meeting. We cannot blame the Chairman or Secretariat > for the same. Those who have made time for the meetings have often > debated on the issues and agreed on compromises i believe we should > maintain the same spirit and respect each others positions. Let us > separate issues from personalities and address them based on merit. > > Thank you > > Best Regards > > On 7/17/17, Said Mchangama <smchangama(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dea Chair Aziz > > > > I support the individual membership and thus your amendment to item 7. > > > > Best regards > > > > Said > > > > Le dim. 16 juil. 2017 à 23:07, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < > > afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit : > > > >> <English> > >> > >> Dear Members, > >> > >> As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been > brought > >> to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review > >> requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, > >> the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we > >> need > >> to get this particular item completed with. > >> > >> As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this > >> particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we > >> could > >> not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time > constraints. > >> In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual > >> membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply > with > >> At-Large reviews requirements. > >> > >> For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the > "Individual > >> Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: > >> > >> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ > Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review > >> > >> Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: > >> The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider > >> their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 > >> experience. > >> I propose to modify it in this way: > >> "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years > >> after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated > >> members in light of experience gained during initial trial" > >> > >> I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the > >> conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as > >> presented in the above recommendation. > >> > >> Kindly provide your response within 72hrs > >> > >> Best regards > >> Aziz HILALI > >> AFRALO Chair > >> --------------------------- > >> > >> <French> > >> > >> Chers membres, > >> > >> D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence > >> mensuelle, > >> le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO > >> sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les > >> exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la > >> revue > >> actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point > >> particulier > >> sans plus tarder. > >> > >> Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette > >> recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions > >> pas > >> pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient > >> dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir > >> toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur > >> l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues > >> d’At-Large. > >> > >> Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à > >> Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: > >> > >> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ > Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review > >> > >> Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: > >> La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera > réexaminée > >> en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. > >> Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: > >> «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera > >> réexaminée > >> 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la > >> période d’essai». > >> > >> En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections > >> pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion > individuelle > >> sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. > >> > >> Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. > >> > >> Cordialement > >> Aziz Hilali > >> AFRALO Chair > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AFRI-Discuss mailing list > >> AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > >> > >> Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > >> > >> Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > >> list are more accurate: > >> http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_ > emec/presentation.html#anexo1 > > > > -- > > Said Mchangama > > Président de la Fédération Comorienne des Consommateurs (FCC) > > +269 3339702 > > http://consommateurkm.com > > www.mchangama.com > > www;facebook.com/mchangama > > whatsapp : +2693339702 > > linkedin : said mchangama > > > > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +254721325277 > +254733206359 > Skype: barrack.otieno > PGP ID: 0x2611D86A > _______________________________________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/ > mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 >

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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AFRI-Discuss Digest, Vol 129, Issue 54
by Chenai Chair July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

Hi everyone, I'm in support of the individual membership. Having listened to the discussions about this during the call, it's insightful to learn about the different positions with regards to this issue. Best, chenai On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:17 AM, < afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > Send AFRI-Discuss mailing list submissions to > afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > afri-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > afri-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AFRI-Discuss digest..." > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/ > mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 > - - - - - > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation > (peters omoragbon) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: peters omoragbon <petersomoragbon(a)gmail.com> > To: "seun.ojedeji(a)gmail.com" <seun.ojedeji(a)gmail.com> > Cc: afri-discuss <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Remmy Nweke < > remmyn(a)gmail.com> > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:17:19 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation > Thank you Seun. > Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs > to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they > represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship. > Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits > and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong. > Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do > without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the > group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which > case the essence of the end user having a voice through various > organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal > agenda. > Time will tell. I'm watching > Pastor Peters Omoragbon > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji > <seun.ojedeji(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sent from my mobile > Kindly excuse brevity and typos > > On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting > this way. > > > SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for > the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as > being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem > to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact > that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this). > > Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am > responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your > mail was to the group). > > > SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear: > > 1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA > hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to > get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below) > > 2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the > AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to > the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board > that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other > RALOs will be reported as well. > > 3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft > recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with > them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting > > I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and > I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me. > > > SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some > information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman. > > Thanks > > > Thank you. > Pastor Peters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON* > > *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United > Kingdom-CANUK* > > *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special > Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United > Nations-ECOSOC* > > *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate > Change-UNFCCC* > > *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable > Association-NNCA-UK* > > *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the > United Nations-CONGO* > > *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO* > > *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change* > > *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* > *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest* > > On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Seun > If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is > this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in > the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal. > > Regards > Remmy > > ____ > REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, > Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, > DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] > (DigitalSENSE Business News > <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS > <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet > <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>) > Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos > M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms > <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms> > Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria > <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria‎> > PC Summit 2017 <http://www.pcsummit.com.ng>, December 7-8 @Federal > Palace, Victoria Island, Lagos. > > *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS > <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>) > ______________________________ ______________________________ _____ > *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments > are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended > only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal > responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do > not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make > any copies. Violators may face court persecution. > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello Pastor Peters, > > Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to > voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights > for that. > The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I > am pasting it below for easy access: > > https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273 > <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273> > > I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. > Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that > individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must > implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to > loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights > has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more > rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019). > > As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus > as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious > issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), > I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead. > > Regards > Sent from my mobile > Kindly excuse brevity and typos > > On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dear All, > > I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings > for posterity. > > I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to > push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their > values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA. > > At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote > on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to > want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry? > > I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the > Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision > giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt > rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest > of the entire group? > > This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level > of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members > that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others > who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be > ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may > want to elect new officers. > As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual > membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the > shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy. > > I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the > sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every > ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to > curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed. > > We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for > same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the > House, it is the house that should ask the chairman. > > This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are > rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated. > > The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A > VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and > Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected > to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are > all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my > question > > Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter. > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON* > > *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United > Kingdom-CANUK* > > *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special > Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United > Nations-ECOSOC* > > *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate > Change-UNFCCC* > > *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable > Association-NNCA-UK* > > *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the > United Nations-CONGO* > > *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO* > > *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change* > > *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* > *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest* > > On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned > recommendation. > > Warm greetings, > Fatimata > > Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz(a)yahoo.fr> a écrit : > > <English> > > Dear Members, > > As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought > to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review > requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, > the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need > to get this particular item completed with. > > As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this > particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could > not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. > In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual > membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with > At-Large reviews requirements. > > For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual > Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: > https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member > ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review > <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+R…> > > Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: > The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider > their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 > experience. > I propose to modify it in this way: > "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years > after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated > members in light of experience gained during initial trial" > > I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the > conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as > presented in the above recommendation. > > Kindly provide your response within 72hrs > > Best regards > Aziz HILALI > AFRALO Chair > --------------------------- > > <French> > > Chers membres, > > D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, > le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO > sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les > exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue > actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier > sans plus tarder. > > Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette > recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas > pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient > dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir > toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur > l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues > d’At-Large. > > Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à > Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: > https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member > ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review > <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+R…> > > Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: > La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée > en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. > Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: > «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée > 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la > période d’essai». > > En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections > pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle > sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. > > Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. > > Cordialement > Aziz Hilali > AFRALO Chair > > > > > -- > Fatimata Seye Sylla > ICT4D, Education & Genre > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.ica nn.org > <AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s > <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss> > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic > a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 > <http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#…> > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.ica nn.org > <AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s > <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss> > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic > a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 > <http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#…> > > > ______________________________ _________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.ica nn.org > <AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s > <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss> > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic > a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 > <http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#…> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > > Homepage for the region: www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/ > mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 > - - - - - > > -- Chenai Chair Research ICT Africa:Researcher w:cchair@researchictafrica.net 'What is worth knowing?'

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Individual membership
by omar＠isoc.ly July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

Dear Pastor Peters Omoragbon We noticed and aware of your concerns Dear Barrack Otieno .. Well addressed ( In any democracy the majority will always have their way and the minority their say ) Dear Esther Patricia .. Well expressed ( lets have discussions with mutual respect for one another ) As short and gracious as that . I do strongly support the individual membership Omar Shuran Lisoc

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Membership
by wanjalaluke1 July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

Dear members, Think soberly and create an opening for individual membership. But this should not imply for a larger number . It has to have a limit. . Sent from my Huawei Mobile

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Report: AFRALO Activities at ICANN 59
by Sarah Kiden July 14, 2017

July 14, 2017

Dear all, I hope this email finds you well. It was very nice to meet many of you on the just concluded AFRALO monthly call. I think that was one of the highest number of participants we recorded. As promised, the link to the report can be accessed/downloaded through this link: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/2017-07-12+AFRALO+Monthly+Teleco… (See Item 4 (i)). Bakary Kouyate, Christelle Assirou, Brahim Ousmanne, Baudouin Schombe, Coovi Hermann and Abdeljalil, Gabriel Bombambo volunteered to help translate the document from English to French. Both versions will be posted on the wiki. We invite comments, edits and suggestions to make the document better. Kind regards, Sarah

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Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Report: AFRALO Activities at ICANN 59
by Ali Hussein July 13, 2017

July 13, 2017

Sarah Thanks. Will do. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Sarah Kiden <skiden(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > I hope this email finds you well. It was very nice to meet many of you on > the just concluded AFRALO monthly call. I think that was one of the highest > number of participants we recorded. > > As promised, the link to the report can be accessed/downloaded through > this link: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/2017-07-12+ > AFRALO+Monthly+Teleconference (See Item 4 (i)). > Bakary Kouyate, Christelle Assirou, Brahim Ousmanne, Baudouin Schombe, > Coovi Hermann and Abdeljalil, Gabriel Bombambo volunteered to help > translate the document from English to French. Both versions will be posted > on the wiki. > > We invite comments, edits and suggestions to make the document better. > > Kind regards, > > Sarah > > _______________________________________________ > AFRI-Discuss mailing list > AFRI-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org > > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this > list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/ > mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 >

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REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: AFRALO Monthly Call on Wednesday, 12 July 2017 at 18:30 UTC
by ICANN At-Large Staff July 12, 2017

July 12, 2017

If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<file:///composeviewinternalloadurl/staff@atlarge.icann.org> with your preferred number. Please remember that it is now possible to connect your audio via the AC room, without using your telephone. You need a stable internet connection. If you would like a reminder of how to connect please let staff know. Si vous avez besoin d'un dial-out, merci de le communiquer au personnel At-Large à staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> avec votre numéro d'appel préféré. Nous vous rappelons que vous pouvez désormais utiliser l'audio de l'Adobe Connect room afin de vous connecter sans utiliser votre ligne téléphonique. Il vous faut une connexion internet stable. Merci de nous confirmer votre participation et dial-out - si nécessaire - ainsi que votre numéro à: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<file:///composeviewinternalloadurl/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Due to the unavailability of interpretation services for ICANN59 travel reasons, the AFRALO Monthly Call is scheduled for one week later. En raison de l'indisponibilité des services d'interprétation pour les raisons de voyage ICANN59, l'appel mensuel AFRALO est prévu une semaine plus tard. Dear All, The next AFRALO Monthly Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 12 July 2017 at 18:30 UTC. The agenda (to be updated) and call details are available at: https://community.icann.org/x/_GzwAw Conference ID: EN 1638 FR 1838 Adobe Connect room: https://participate.icann.org/afralo/ AFRALO Work space: https://community.icann.org/x/25Mi If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Thank you. Kind Regards, ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/facebook.com/icannatlar…> Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge<applewebdata://932FA082-AAF3-456B-A040-A1DAA84DB45D/@ICANNAtLarge> [cid:image001.png@01D2F734.DFFDADB0]

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