April 2009 - lac-discuss-en

Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Cronolog=EDa_de_los_eventos_relat = =?iso-8859-1?q?ivos_a_la_elecci=F3n_del_presidente_de_LACRALO =
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org April 9, 2009

April 9, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Cronolog=EDa_de_los_eventos_relat = =?iso-8859-1?q?ivos_a_la_elecci=F3n_del_presidente_de_LACRALO = From: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Dear Sergio, We wanted to aclarecer its interpretation of the chronology of the facts happened in relation to the selection of a president for LACRALO. intention of the first teleconferencing between You, Andrés and the personnel of AT-Large was to maintain a conversation deprived on the occurido error since we thought that You and Andrés would wish to find out the situation before this was communicated to all. Neither You nor Andrés or any other person of its region, to part of president of the General Assembly, Carlton Samuels, had been previously informed on the events. It is certain that Carlos Aguirre had itself official notice with the personnel on the subject of the selection of the president, nevertheless, its commentary talked about only the used mathematical formula and not to the story of the votes in himself. The error in thecount was detected by the personnel of AT-Large when listening the auditory recording of the Asemblea General and at no moment was any exerted external pressure stops to influence our actions. On the contrary, our only motivationwas that error, once identified, properly was communicated to the region. With respect to the fact that there was no a service of simultaneous interpretation during this teleconferencing, we would wish to remember that the error to him in count was detected only two days before the monthly teleconferencing of LACRALO and, consequently, the minimum term required to request the service of interpretation it did not give the time us sufficient to beable to offer to him this service. What we tried to communicate to him in this teleconferencing was simply fact that it had happened an error in the count and that the president presiding over the General Assembly east day was going to communicate shortly with region to inform it on the steps to follow. During this teleconferencing, we had the printing that this had been understood a to weigh of the fact that a service of interpretation done by a member of our personnel cannot compare itself with a service by professionals of interpretation. We offer our excuses to him if that made difficult his understanding. We hoped that the present explanation helps him. Sincerely, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, GisellaGruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN AT-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org On 07/04/2009 17:35, "Presidency Internaut" <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: > Sras/es Staff of ICANN: > > After to have received its message with the chronology of the made events > in > last General Assembly of the THIN LAC, I have creido correctto send to them > following > commentaries, that I solicit are sent to the ALAC along withits report. > > > > Destaco that during the last weeks I have chosen to remain in silence, > privileging the institutional health of the LACRALO like collective being, by > on > individualities. > > > > Without damage of it, and in view of the inaccuracies detected in > report that is > prepared, I feel forced to carry out a series of explanations: > > > > In the report data of extreme importance and relevance are omitted that do that > the facts > happened disten much of the chronology contained in the sameone. > > > > In 1ª place has been avoided to include (without reason it pretends), that also > presented/displayed the power > of AUI Peru, that sent their mandate in impeccable form, sending one to him! to his > agent chief executive > (Mr. Sergio Bronstein de Internauta Venezuela), with copy toMr. Carlton > Samuels, > same was given thus, taking care of that the same one does not fall into the hands of a same one > person who > is judge and part in the assembly, to leave doubts of their legitimacy. > > > > Also, the other three powers that arrived at the same personwho was > president of > assembly, was not exhibited to anybody, and simply it communicated by mail > electronic > the existence of these powers (why copy was not sent to him to another one > participant stops > that of faith of such). It seemed to be that, when exhibiting links to mails > envoys > by Carlton Samuels, looks for to guarantee the message in himself, and not the ruined mandate > by those > organizations nor who it was made according to the norms of > LACRALO. > > > > Also was omitted to mention in the report that was proclaimed indeed > winning of > selections, (that are exactly who subscri! bes, Sergio SalineI carry), and who > I was put in > functions! immedia tely once finished the selection. From saying > moment, I acted > formally like president of the LACRALO, as much in the meeting of ICANN of > Mexico, like > time later through regional contacts with different organizations. > > > > On the other hand, desire to at least emphasize also that -in an attitude > questionable in his > transparency - to see e-mails that adjunto[i ] -, summoned me to one > teleconferencing in > as I was the unique one who did not know that the legitimacy of my presidency was > questioned. > teleconferencing was in English language, without simultaneous translation, and my > capacity stops > to understand the problem and to present/display the corresponding defenses was severely > limited. > In fact, I asked for repeated times that were explained to me with clarity of which > spoke > Mr. Nick Ashton Hart and Andrés Piazza, since he could notunderstand them. Act > followed > Matthias Langenegger informed to me that it had to leave myposition (or th! at believed at least > to understand) > since the staff had defined that the president was Andrés Piazza (never had > nobody that > said to me that there was a count of votes and that we had to send supervise > for this, > nor that the ICANN personnel was the one who had to dismissto me and to put in functions a > another one > person who not outside the one who outside proclaimed president in an Assembly > General, in agreement > with the norms of the LACRALO). > > > > Also I must emphasize that, hours later another one had been prepared > teleconferencing in > which participated some ALSs - although without counting onthe necessary quorum > -, in which > was not allowed me to exert the presidency of the LACRALO in violent form, > discriminatory and > with I mistreat, headed by Mr. Carlton Samuels, that, in spite of no > to have capacity > to preside over the assembly - then that function corresponded to me to me, by > less until > the subject was properly debated by a ! new General Assembly. > > > > These facts show that after t! he first teleconferencing to which I do > reference, I was > displaced of the position for that validly I was chosen by the Assembly, > without > to consult the decision with this device, and only from thedecision of > ICANN staff. > > > > These facts have an extreme institutional gravity, as much by > distance of > norms that we have consensuado, like inasmuch as they represent clear and a direct one > interference > of the staff in questions that must be debated by the ALSs > members of > THIN. > > > > the complaints of Mr. Carlos Aguirre and Mr. Andrés Piazzawere directed to > Staff in > place of a the assembly - since it had corresponded -. Instead of dale to > subject the channel > correct, was chosen to solve the problem of a way in opposition to the rules > of the LAC > THIN > > > > Nótese that I have omitted - with effort - to make any reference for a reason or purpose > personal > on the happened thing. Desire to show, nevertheless, that it had wished to be > treat! ed in one > forms but right and respectful during this traumatic process. > > > > Espero that the present is of utility to remember some questions in his > chronology, > and to cover omissions - surely involuntary - with its report. I solicit to them > that accompanies > this note and its associates with the same one, every time the circumstances here > you decipher > must be considered by the ALAC and the members of the LACRALO. > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > President > > LACRALO > > > > > -- > > [ i] Considered, > > If one allows its schedules them, we would like to have a brief meeting > telephone stops > to discuss future meetings LACRALO. It will be possible to reunite to us tomorrow or > Wednesday between > the 1600 and 1800 UTC by about 20, 30 minutes? > > Sincerely, > > -- > > Matthias Langenegger > > AT-Large Coordination Officer > for > Internet Corporation Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org > > Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > > Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > > Skype YOU GO: to matthiaslangenegger > > > > which I answer to him that she could not do it so that found me in trip and > if him > seemed well to leave it for the day Thursday to the same hour, day 18 of March > receipt other > mail with the following text now if written in both languages: > > > > Dear all/Estimados > > > > Would tomorrow Thursday, 1700 UTC be uglyible for all of you? We could uses the > normal > Adigo Bridge with the 1638 Pin code. > > > > Would be possible for you to tomorrow have the meeting Thursday to the 1700 UTC? > We could > to always use the numbers of and the access code 1638. > > > > Thank you, > > Thanks, > > Matthias > > Original Message > From: "AT-Large Staff" <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> > To: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Sent: Wednesday, A! pril 01, 2009 1:42 P.m. > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Chronology of the events relative to the selection > of the president > of LACRALO > > > Considered, > > the Chair of the ALAC has requested to us to send an email to them that offers one to them > chronology of the events relative to the selection of the LACRALO president > that was celebrated in the General Assembly of LACRALO in the city of Mexico. > > the 22 of January of 2009, the secretary of LACRALO, Carlton Samuels, commanded > email to the discussion list to inform that so that a vote by > power of attorney was taken into account in the General Assembly of LACRALO, was > obligatory to send an authorization written to the secretariat before the 1 of > March to 0500 UTC. > > (see > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000210.html) > > Before the General Assembly of LACRALO, Carlton Samuel received three powers > writings of the ALS that wished to put under t! heir vote by power of attorney during > General Assembly. > >! ICT4D J amaica: > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000404.html > > DevNet: > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000405.html > > ICT Society of Trinidad and Tobago: > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000406.html > > Shortly before which the selection of the LACRALO presidentwas celebrated, > Carlton Samuels, the president of the session of the A.G., announced the three > powers of attorney and made sure that the votes by power ofattorney were > sent with respect to the received instructions. Matthias Langenegger, > the member of the personnel of AT-Large that had been designated like judge > ponente (Rapporteur) of the LACRALO counted all the votes and it incorporated them in > formula to apply in the selections. This formula can be found in > rule 12,9 of the ordinary rules of procedure for the meetings of > the deliber! ative organisms of the LACRALO, which was approved by > the General Assembly of LACRALO the 24 of June of 2007 in Puerto Rico. > > the ordinary rules of procedure also are in the bond > following: > https://st.icann.org/data/workspaces/lacralo/attachments/ralo_organising_doc > uments:20080815141112-0-12341/original/AL%202007%20SD%202%20Rev2%20LACRALO%2 > 0Rules%20of%20Procedure%20ES.pdf > > the provisional result for the selection of the president was announced by > the president of the session during the General Assembly. After his > return of the summit of the individual users of Mexico, thepersonnel of > AT-Large listened to the recordings in mp3 of the General Assembly of the LACRALO > to come to the definitive inquiry of the results of the selection > and realized which, in fact, the announced provisional result in > the General Assembly had omitted the vote by power of attorney emitted by > DevNet. > > Existen two recordings in mp3 that will allow him to find out t! he veracity of > the facts above related. They can or listen t! o the re cording of > General Assembly in its totality or to listen to only the passage relative to > count of the votes of the selection of the president... > > integral Recording in English: > http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-EN.mp3 > integral Recording in Spanish (with the voice of the interpreters) > Part 1: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-ES1.mp3 > Part 2: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-ES2.mp3 > > Part on the selection of the president: > In English: > http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-GA-03-03-2009-Chair-Election.mp3 > Interpretation in Spanish of the passage: > Http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-AG-03-03-2009-Eleccion-Presidente.mp3 > > the president of the session of the General Assembly was informed > immediately when it was discovered the error and a separated message was sent a > the region > > (see > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000398.html) > > ! In its capacity of president of the session in which the selection was made, > Carlton Samuels announced the definitive result of the selection the 19 of > March. This definitive result gives to Andres Piazza like President of > LACRALO. At the same time, it announced the calendar for the presentation of > candidacies and the selection of a secretary for LACRALO. > > (see > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000398.html) > > Sincerely, > > Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, > Marie-Helene Bouchoms > ICANN AT-Large Staff > email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > cann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/77119aa702.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Cronolog=EDa_de_los_eventos_relat = =?iso-8859-1?q?ivos_a_la_elecci=F3n_del_presidente_de_LACRALO =
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar April 9, 2009

April 9, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Cronolog=EDa_de_los_eventos_relat = =?iso-8859-1?q?ivos_a_la_elecci=F3n_del_presidente_de_LACRALO = From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Sras/es Staff of ICANN: After to have received its message with the chronology of the events made in last General Assembly of the THIN LAC, I have creido correct tosend the following ones to them commentaries, that I solicit are sent to the ALAC along with its report. I emphasize that during the last weeks I have chosen to remain in silence, privileging the institutional health of the LACRALO like collective being, by on individualities. Without damage of it, and in view of the inaccuracies detected in the report that are prepared, I feel forced to carry out a series of explanations: In the report data of extreme importance and relevance are omitted that do that the facts happened they disten much of the chronology contained in the same one. In 1ª place has been avoided to include (without reason it pretends), that also appeared the power of AUI Peru, that sent their mandate in impeccable form, sending one to him to its agent chief executive (Mr. Sergio Bronstein de Internauta Venezuela), with copy to Mr. Carlton Samuels, same he gave himself thus, taking care of that the same one does not fall into the hands of a same person who be judge and part in the assembly, to leave doubts of his legitimacy. Also, the other three powers that arrived at the same person who was president of assembly, was not exhibited to anybody, and simply it communicated by electronic mail the existence of these powers (why copy was not sent to him toanother participant stops that of faith of such). It seemed to be that, when exhibiting links to mails sent by Carlton Samuels, one looks for to guarantee the message in himself, and not the mandate freed by those organizations nor who it was made according to the norms of the LACRALO. Also she omitted herself to mention in the report that proclaimed a winner indeed of selections, (that are exactly who subscribes, Sergio Saline I carry), and that I was put in functions immediately once finished the selection. As of this moment, I acted formally like president of the LACRALO, as much in the meetingof ICANN of Mexico, like time later through regional contacts with different organizations. On the other hand, desire to also emphasize that - in an attitude at least questionable in his transparency - to see e-mails that adjunto[i ] -, summoned me to a teleconferencing in as I was the unique one who did not know that the legitimacy of my presidency was questioned. teleconferencing was in English language, without simultaneoustranslation, and my capacity stops to understand the problem and to present/display the corresponding defenses severely were limited. In fact, I asked for repeated times that were explained to me with clarity of which they spoke Mr. Nick Ashton Hart and Andrés Piazza, since he could not understand them. Immediately afterwards Matthias Langenegger informed to me that it had to leave my position (or that at least believed to understand) since the staff had defined that the president was Andrés Piazza (never was nobody it said to me that there was a count of votes and that we had to send supervise for this, nor that the ICANN personnel was the one who had to dismiss tome and to put in functions to another one person who not outside the one who outside proclaimed president in a General Assembly, in agreement with the norms of the LACRALO). Also I must emphasize that, hours later another teleconferencing had been prepared in which participated some ALSs - although without counting on the necessary quorum -, in which it was not allowed me to exert the presidency of the LACRALO in violent, discriminatory form and with I mistreat, headed by Mr. Carlton Samuels, that, in spiteof not having capacity in order to preside over the assembly - then that function corresponded to me to me, at least until the subject was properly debated by a new General Assembly. These facts show that after the first teleconferencing to that I make reference, I was displaced of the position for that validly I was chosen by theAssembly, without to consult the decision with this device, and only from the decision of the ICANN staff. These facts have an extreme institutional gravity, as much by the distance of norms that we have consensuado, like inasmuch as they represent a clear and direct interference of the staff in questions that must be debated by the ALSs members of THIN. The complaints of Mr. Carlos Aguirre and Mr. Andrés Piazza were directed to the Staff in place of a the assembly - since it had corresponded -. Insteadof dale to the subject the channel correct, it was chosen to solve the problem of a way in opposition to the rules of the LAC THIN Nótese that I have omitted - with effort - to make any reference in a personal view on the happened thing. Desire to show, nevertheless, that it had wished to be treated in one it forms but right and respectful during this traumatic process. I hope that the present is of utility to remember some questions in their chronology, and to cover omissions - surely involuntary - with its report.I solicit to them that they accompany this note and its associates with the same one, every time thecircumstances you decipher here the ALAC and the members of the LACRALO must be considered by. Sergio Saline I carry President LACRALO Considered [ is ], If one allows his schedules them, we would like to have a brief telephone meeting stops to discuss future meetings LACRALO. It will be possible to reunite or Wednesday tomorrow to us between the 1600 and 1800 UTC by about 20, 30 minutes? Sincerely, -- Matthias Langenegger AT-Large Coordination Officer For Internet Corporation Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype YOU GO: to matthiaslangenegger Which I answer to him that she could not do it so that found me in trip and if him it seemed well to leave it for the day Thursday to the same hour, day 18 of March receipt other mail with the following text now if written in both languages: Dear all/Estimados Would tomorrow Thursday, 1700 UTC be uglyible for all of you? We could uses the normal Adigo Bridge with the 1638 Pin code. It would be possible for you to tomorrow have the meeting Thursday to the 1700 UTC? We could to always use the numbers of and the access code 1638. Thank you, Thanks, Matthias Original Message From: "AT-Large Staff" <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> To: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:42 P.m. Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Chronology of the events relative to the selection of the president of LACRALO Considered, The Chair of the ALAC has requested to us to send an email tothem that offers one to them chronology of the events relative to the selection of the LACRALO president that it was celebrated in the General Assembly of LACRALO in the city of Mexico. The 22 of January of 2009, the secretary of LACRALO, Carlton Samuels, commanded email to the discussion list to inform that so that a vote by power of attorney was taken into account in the General Assembly of LACRALO, was obligatory to send an authorization written to the secretariat before the 1 of March to 0500 UTC. (it see http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. org/2009/000210.html) Before the General Assembly of LACRALO, Carlton Samuel it received three powers writings of the ALS that wished to put under their vote by power of attorney during General Assembly. ICT4D Jamaica: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. org/2009/000404.html DevNet: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. org/2009/000405.html ICT Society of Trinidad and Tobago: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. org/2009/000406.html Shortly before which the selection of the LACRALO president was celebrated, Carlton Samuels, the president of the session of the A.G., announced the three powers of attorney and made sure that the votes by power of attorney were personals with respect to the received instructions. MatthiasLangenegger, the member of the personnel of AT-Large that had been designated like judge ponente (Rapporteur) of the LACRALO counted all the votes andit incorporated them in formula to apply in the selections. This formula can be foundin rule 12,9 of the ordinary rules of procedure for the meetingsof the deliberative organisms of the LACRALO, which was approvedby the General Assembly of LACRALO the 24 of June of 2007 in Puerto Rico. The ordinary rules of procedure also are in the bond following: https://st.icann.org/data/workspaces/lacralo/attachments/ralo_organising_doc uments:20080815141112-0-12341/original/AL%202007%20SD%202%20Rev2%20LACRALO%2 0Rules%20of%20Procedure%20ES.pdf The provisional result for the selection of the president wasannounced by the president of the session during the General Assembly. After his return of the summit of the individual users of Mexico, the personnel of AT-Large listened to the recordings in mp3 of the General Assembly of the LACRALO in order to come to the definitive inquiry of the results of the selection and account of which occurred, in fact, the announced provisional result in the General Assembly had omitted the vote by power of attorney emitted by DevNet. Two recordings in mp3 exist that will allow him to find out the veracity of the facts above related. They can or listen to the recording of General assembly in its totality or to listen to only the passage relative to count of the votes of the selection of the president... Integral recording in English: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-EN.mp3 Integral recording in Spanish (with the voice of the interpreters) Part 1: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-ES1.mp3 Part 2: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-ES2.mp3 Part on the selection of the president: In English: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-GA-03-03-2009-Chair-Election.mp3 Interpretation in Spanish of the passage: Http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-AG-03-03-2009-Eleccion-Presidente.mp3 The president of the session of the General Assembly was informed immediately when it was discovered the error and a separated message was sent a the region (it see http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. org/2009/000398.html) In its capacity of president of the session in which the selection was made, Carlton Samuels announced the definitive result of the selection the 19 of March. This definitive result gives to Andres Piazza like President of LACRALO. At the same time, it announced the calendar for the presentation of candidacies and the selection of a secretary for LACRALO. (it see http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. org/2009/000398.html) Sincerely, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN AT-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/10dc636c50.html --]]

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Fwd: Derek Smythe and Vittorio Bertolo on Internet Fraud and the intersection with ICANN
by Carlton Samuels April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

Here under a very interesting exchange on Internet security and the perceptions of the discussants of ICANN's role. It at least makes for interesting reading, in my opinion. Carlton Samuels ======================================================================== 1. Re: [At-Large] Open letter to ICANN (Derek Smythe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:23:13 +0200 From: Derek Smythe <derek(a)aa419.org> Subject: Re: [RAA-WG] [At-Large] Open letter to ICANN To: raa-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> Message-ID: <49DB9A11.1050303(a)aa419.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Vittorio, I disagree and agree. Understanding what is happening here depends on the depth of understanding. Sorry, this reply is longer much, much longer than anticipated. I will touch on some deeper realities not known to those who often work with these same issues. Vittorio Bertola wrote: > Derek Smythe ha scritto: >> Hi .... > I think you are making a fundamental mistake here - you want a frauding > website taken down by ICANN because it has incorrect Whois information. > What you should want is rather that a frauding website is taken down by > its country's police because it violates its country's laws. Which country's police would that be? Where? This website has been reported to the authorities more than once. > > I would be very, very, very concerned if ICANN staff started to take > decisions on whether a website is "criminal" or not, possibly just by > having a quick look at its home page or because of blanket assumptions > like those made in the complaint, such as "Site gathers personal > information on insecure form. Legitimate businesses do not gather this > type of information without security precautions". If you received a phishing email, would you make an assumption about it if it asked you to log in to your account at some strange location? In one of the examples given - safe-wayonline, no assumptions are required. Reports are not based on "quick looks". The official legal entities publish more than enough data to verify that this website is not legitimate. The same resources can be used to verify it is abusing another real company's registration number. A third official one states that other websites has stolen the company registration and abuses it on their sites, targeting jewelry auctions. More than enough reports of attempted fraud and fraud are available online. Ask a bank or similar financial services provider or even a financial regulator what would happen if they were to suddenly start doing banking or similar without at least using some security protocol like https. I agree partly - no, it is not ICANN's task to take down scam websites, but where evidence as per ICANN advisory dated 3 April 2003 is available, this an issue for prompt action. That responsibility lies with the registrar. ICANN is to ensure this is done and is covered under security and stability of the internet, also trust in the internet. As for the mentioned Godaddy domains, the true owner of the address denies any knowledge of the registrant. ICANN was also made aware of this. Other domains by the same registrant still exist with a fictitious addresses; example NATWSECMAIL.INFO. How would you judge http://ubsflorida.homelandssecurities.com ? The answer would be to judge it via the whois and circumstances. In this case this is history repeating itself for the N-th time; http://db.aa419.org/fakebankslist.php?psearch=BHFINDONESIA.COM ... using payment processor Graphcard.com in whois to register a domain with 007names.com, despite Graphcard not accepting responsibility and 007Names being made aware of this. http://forum.aa419.org/viewtopic.php?t=29427 Yet I have personally phoned Joyce at 007names a few months ago who ignored my emails where I explained what was happening. She then asked I send her another email. The result is there for all to see. We have headless bank spoofs running around with the registered address owner not accepting responsibility. I could probably write a ten page "summary" on this - but I will spare you ;) Sorry for the elaborate examples, but the bottom line is that judgments are not made lightly. There are many tests a domain must fail before it can be declared fraudulent. In fact many domains are monitored for months before revealing their true nature. Understanding the situation makes the situation extremely predictable. I wish to welcome to kdbuk.com which was monitored for over nine months. If I was a betting man I would have been rich. Without ever showing web content, I could tell you what it was. I note it references NATWSECMAIL.INFO for email. It's a small world, but once again I will spare you a ten page summary :) However, the bottom line is these domains use fake whois details, or abuse privacy mechanisms like the last example. This IS covered in the RAA. > > I would also be very concerned if ICANN started to disable domain names > on the grounds that "the postal code entered is incorrect". As explained, the postal code is the smallest part of it. It should have been verified before November 2008 if the system was working. But it does raise a red flag - why was it not investigated? At least we owe an answer to the later victims of this scam. > > However, I concur with the letter that the WDPRS is a useless service > that appears to have been deployed more as a token effort than for real. > I think it should just be dropped - if people suspect that a website is > doing fraud, they should call the police, not ICANN. If there is the > need for cross-national cooperation, the various polices should just do > their job and get organized to cooperate quickly and effectively. If > there are countries that do not cooperate, then this is definitely a > matter for national diplomacies to sort out - the US was able to impose > its flavour of intellectual property regulation to the whole world > through TRIPs and bilateral agreements, don't tell me that it is not > strong enough to get cooperation on cybercrime. The sad fact is the world currently does not have enough trained police resources to look at each and every domain trying to scam internet users. Jurisdiction is also a problem. Anonymous proxies etc do not help. The same facilities legitimate internet users provide to protect their privacy are the same ones internet criminals use. Right now pre-paid American debit/gift cards are being sold in Africa (in a country nobody wants to deal with) complete with fake American address and used extensively for registering domains. I am not saying law enforcement do not do the best, in fact the opposite! Given the bad registration info, the are doing brilliantly udner the circumstances despite ICANN and the registrars. We find doors being kicked down in the early hours of the morning half way around the world to the victims. A small example: Netherlands, Romania etc, but this is only the tip of the iceberg. Sadly some countries try and improve their image without resolving real issues that affects the rest of the world. This is a reality we have to accept and build upon. However, the golden rule of internet fraud from a victim perspective: When the money is lost, it is lost forever. Personally I believe more money is stolen through fraud on the internet, than made by registrars and ICANN. Nobody knows the true extent of it and costs. > > ICANN, in any case, should care more about Internet fraud and be more > cooperative - but possibly by referring these (very valid and important) > complaints to the appropriate law enforcement agencies depending on the > countries involved. It could act as an information clearinghouse that > could be very useful. Agreed. Same for registrars. Some might be in for a massive surprise though. > > Finally - about the "general internet user perception of ICANN": > > The "general internet user perception of ICANN" is non-existing - users > don't know that ICANN exists. The people that know about ICANN and try and use the systems. Do you think Brenda who originally reported safe-wayonline.com will give ICANN another chance? From her perspective she wasted her time. > > If you refer to "active users" and user groups, however, the perception > is then much different according to the part of the world. For example, > in Europe ICANN is usually perceived as an instrument to further the > U.S. control over the Internet, for example by removing from the > Internet the privacy that is guaranteed to European citizens by their > national laws. And please don't be upset about this - it is not > advocacy, it is just a fact that derives from cultural differences. > > Ciao, However, if WDPRS reports were taken seriously by "all" registrars and processed by them, a lot of these issues can be avoided. Also it begs the question; why should any specific registrar comply with the RAA and examine bogus whois information if other registrars do not? Regards Derek

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Sergio Salinas Porto's comments on the Chronology of Events pertaining to the election of LACRALO Chair
by Carlton Samuels April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

Dear Sergio: The translation provided by the list is particularly hard on your Spanish text. So in order to ensure that I have the best sense of the meaning of your comments, I have used the Google translation engine to render your response into English. This effort follows my response. The procedure for proxy voting was placed on the list more than *one month* before the GA. If you thought the Secretariat was not competent or honest to receive notification for a proxy as per the procedure, you had a duty of care to address it in a timely manner. That you did not is again evidence of your own meagre contribution to the substantive work of LACRALO over these many years. If you had a concern on the procedure itself as was recorded on the list, it is not recorded before now. This is evidence of your lack of attention or understanding of the substantive work of LACRALO, even when the details are presented. It is late in the day and clearly in effort of this campaign of yours to collect another "presidential" ribbon. But it is not a good sign for your ambitions. Every single member has had a chance to audit their votes. And all the votes are validated, including the proxies. I therefore take personal exception to what seems like implied malfeasance to my work as both Secretariat of LACRALO and Presiding Officer at the GA. This is evidence of a lack of intellectual rigour and personal integrity. Becasue it seems that when it is convenient, you appeal to my good office and standing in the community to enable your agenda. But in your zeal to be "el Presidente", my good name is being tarnished. So you know, these are well beneath my contempt. The University of the West Indies was the only Caribbean vote in your favor at the GA. My Caribbean colleagues have asked me on several occasions to explain my vote. Both Sylvia Leite and you would understand there was a principle at stake. In any event, I take full responsibility for that mistake. It will never happen again. What is important to note now is that the Caribbean caucus has noted your further attempt to question our legitimacy in LACRALO and here forward, shall retain this in our memory. Furthemore, since you raised the AUI-Peru proxy as an issue, you should understand that the plain language restricted the exercise to the election for LACRALO representative to ALAC and that only. In fact, the email from Johnny Laureano came ONLY after I was approached about AUI-Peru voting and I repeated the procedure to his (and your) emissary. Her again, the evidence of lack of attention to details. I have included the email from AUI-Peru in its original Spanish hereunder: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Johnny Laureano <jlaureano(a)aui.pe>reply-tojlaureano(a)aui.pe tocarlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm ccbronstein.sergio(a)gmail.com dateTue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:24 AMsubjectOtorgamiento de Poder a representante de Internauta Venezuela para elecciones de representantes de la región en ICANN hide details Mar 3 Reply Estimado Carlton Samuels, Secretario del LACRALO-ICANN Luego de mis cordiales saludos, para expresarle a través del presente el otorgamiento de poder en favor de Sergio Bronstein de Internauta Venezuela, para que en representación de la Asociación de Usuarios de Internet del Perú - AUI PERU, pueda ejercer el voto de la AUI PERU para las elecciones de representantes al At-Large Advisory Committee de ICANN. Reiterando mis saludos y consideraciones, quedo de usted. Atentamente, Ing. Johnny Laureano Presidente Asociación de Usuarios de Internet del Perú ALS-ICANN jlaureano(a)aui.pe Telf. Cel. 51-1-995274283" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your assertions as to what transpired for the LACRALO Teleconference is not just wrong but is evidence of a major weakness in assessment. You did not participate in preparing the meeting agenda although this was requested with ample time for your input. You did not object to the draft agenda that I prepared and circulated with the help of At-Large staff. All these require substantive work. And in this regard, you were missing, yet again. Once the work for organising the meeting is complete, you seem to be asserting an organic right to chair. Since you were not elected as Chair of LACRALO, that assertion is again purely an emblem of this threadbare ambition to be "el Presidente", regardless of facts and legitimacy. Finally, I believe your assertions on staff contact with certain parties on electoral matters borders on public mischief. But I shall leave it to the At-Large Staff to respond. Kindest regards, Carlton Samuels The University of the West Indies ======================================================================================================================== <Google Translation> After receiving your message with the chronology of events in the last General Assembly of the LAC RALO, I thought proper to send the following comments, which are referred to the ALAC request along with your report. > Stressed that in recent weeks I have chosen to remain silent, privileging the institutional health of the body as LACRALO collective over the individualities. > However, in view of the inaccuracies identified in the report that have prepared, I feel obliged to make a series of clarifications: > The report omitted details of the utmost importance and relevance that make the facts occurred far from the chronology contained in it. > In 1st place was avoided include (for no apparent reason), also presented the power AUI of Peru, who sent his mandate in a neat, sending a representative to (Mr. Sergio Bronstein Internauta of Venezuela), with copy to Mr. Carlton Samuels, the it was so sure that it does not fall into the hands of a person who be judge and party in the assembly, leaving doubts about its legitimacy. > Similarly, the other three powers came to the same person who was president of the assembly, were not shown to anyone, and simply informed by email the existence of such powers (why no copy was sent to another participant for faith that the same?). It seems that by displaying links to the mails sent by Carlton Samuels, wanted to endorse the message itself, not the mandate delivered by these or organizations that were conducted in accordance with the rules of the LACRALO. > It also failed to mention in the report actually was proclaimed a winner of the elections (which is exactly who supports, Sergio Salinas Porto), and I was put in duties immediately after the election. Since that time, played formally as president of the LACRALO, both in the ICANN meeting in Mexico, as later through contacts with regional organizations. > I also wish to stress that - at least when a questionable attitude in its transparency-see attached e-mails that [i] -, I convened a teleconference in which I was the only one who did not know that the legitimacy of my presidency was questioned. The teleconference was in English, without simultaneous translation, and my ability to understand the problem and present the corresponding defenses was severely limited. In fact, I asked repeatedly to explain that I was clearly speaking of the Mr Nick Ashton and Andrew Hart Piazza, which could not understand. Then Matthias Langenegg informed me that should make my position (or at least it was his understanding) because the staff had identified that the president was Andrew Square (there was never anyone that I had read that a recount of votes and we had to send monitors for this or that the ICANN staff was dismissed and who was put in office to another person other than who was proclaimed president in a General Assembly, in accordance with the rules of the LACRALO). > I should also note that, after a few hours had been prepared in another call which involved some ALSs - but without a quorum - in which I was not allowed to exercise the presidency of LACRALO in violent, discriminatory and with abuse, headed by Mr. Carlton Samuels, who, despite having no capacity to chair the meeting - because it was me that role to me, at least until duly discussed the topic with a new General Assembly. > These facts show that after the first call to which I refer, I shifted from the position for which I was duly elected by the Assembly, without the decision to consult with that body, and only after the decision by the ICANN staff. > These facts are of a very serious institution, both because of the remoteness of rules we have agreed, for it represents a clear and direct interference staff on issues that should have been discussed by the members of the ALSs RALO. > The complaints of Mr. Carlos Andrés Aguirre and Mr. Piazza were addressed in the Staff Instead of the assembly - would have received as -. Rather than give the matter the channel correct, we chose to solve the problem in a manner contrary to the rules of the LAC RALO > Note that I omitted - with effort - make any reference in a personal capacity about what happened. I would say, however, would have liked to be treated in a more fairly and respectfully during this traumatic process. > > I hope this is helpful to recall some issues in his chronology, cover and omissions - surely unintentional - of the report. We ask that accompany this note and its attachments with it, since the circumstances described here must be taken into consideration by the ALAC and the members of the LACRALO. Sergio Salinas Porto > President

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] An AGENDA for LACRALO
by info＠techlaw.com.ar April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: An AGENDA for LACRALO From: to info(a)techlaw.com.ar Dear Andres: I am glad that we insist to initiate work. Our region is high-priority to have defined objectives and to be able to fulfill them. greetings to all, Daniel Monastersky IIISI Rep Day 7 of April of 2009 20:18, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> it wrote: > > > LACRALO: "the hour Arrived to make oir our voice" > > > (Letter Published by Andrés Piazza in the Web site of AGEIADENSI Argentina - Letter Posted by Andrés Piazza in AGEIA DENSIŽs website). > > the Users of Internet are counted with a space in ICANN fromtheir creation, obtaining diverse results. The insolvent experiences of "direct representation" and the long Temporary period, culminated at the beginning of 2007 have derived in the creation of 5 Regional Organizations. > > From the creation of LACRALO, the center of the work has occurred in the consolidation of the space, the conformation of an Assembly and the knowledge on the part of the actors of this thematic individual. The task of "Creation of Capacidades-Capacity Building" isa challenge without end, but it has been arrived at a point in which from the Civil Society we can offer something more. > > In 2009 we counted on 32 ALSŽs with an interesting degree ofqualification,! specific thematic work groups in being satisfied, and acapacity of fortified diffusion. A period can be glimpsed in where theusers provide as much nourished contributions in subjects with the Agenda of Icann, like in which they are exclusive preoccupations of the users of the region, as well as deepening the information and Creation of Capacities. > > the success of this company unfailingly will be given by thecoordination and the clarity of the planteos and the Imput that we pruned to provide. In this sense, the consolidation of a regional AGENDA of LACRALO is from capital importance. The same one will have to be made with base in the conformed work groups in the City of Mexico and observing the following antecedents: > > - Annual Agenda of Committee ALAC. > - Agenda of other constituencies of ICANN, in special of the Board. > - Agenda of the RIRŽs, in special of LACNIC. > - Contributions made by sent Organizations and Individual Users before day 1 of May. > > has arrived! the hour to redouble the commitment and the disposition to fo! rtify th e Participation of the Users of Internet in this process! It is hour of which our voice is listened to! > > > Andrés Piazza > President of LACRALO > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_11… > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > http://www.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/1d22fe1e0f.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] An AGENDA for LACRALO
by salgueiro.jo＠gmail.com April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: An AGENDA for LACRALO From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com Excellent. We are going to begin to work and to remove ahead ours instituciòn JOS _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/005cbd64cb.html --]]

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An AGENDA for LACRALO
by andrespiazzagpj＠hotmail.com April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: An AGENDA for LACRALO From: andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com LACRALO: "the hour Arrived to make oir our voice" (Letter Published by Andrés Piazza in the Web site of AGEIA DENSI Argentina - Letter Posted by Andrés Piazza in AGEIA DENSIŽs website). The Users of Internet are counted with a space in ICANN from their creation, obtaining diverse results. The insolvent experiences of "direct representation" and the long Temporary period, culminated at the beginning of 2007 have derived in the creation of 5 Regional Organizations. >From the LACRALO creation, the center of the work has occurred in the consolidation of the space, the conformation of an Assembly and the knowledge on the part of the actors of this thematic individual. The task of "Creation of Capacidades-Capacity Building" is a challenge without end, but it has been arrived at a point in which from the Civil Society we can offer something more. In 2009 we counted on 32 ALSŽs with an interesting degree of qualification, specific thematic work groups in being satisfied, and acapacity of fortified diffusion. A period can be glimpsed in where theusers provide as much nourished contributions in subjects with the Agenda of Icann, like in which they are exclusive preoccupations of the users of the region, as well as deepening the information and Creation of Capacities. The success of this company unfailingly will be given by the coordination and the clarity of the planteos and the Imput that we pruned to provide. In this sense, the consolidation of a regional AGENDA of LACRALO is from capital importance. The same one will have to be made with base in the conformed work groups in the City of Mexico and observing the following antecedents: - Annual Agenda of Committee ALAC. - Agenda of other constituencies of ICANN, in special of the Board. - Agenda of the RIRŽs, in special of LACNIC. - Contributions made by sent Organizations and Individual Users beforeday 1 of May. The hour has arrived to redouble the commitment and the disposition tofortify the Participation of the Users of Internet in this process! Itis hour of which our voice is listened to! Andrés Piazza President of LACRALO _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_11… _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/a9dc407150.html --]]

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RES=Á Brasileiros pobres têm = =?iso-8859-1?q?o menor acesso à internet entre 14 países da Am = =?iso-8859-1?q E9rica_Latina_e_Caribe =
by sylvia＠prontocl.com.br April 8, 2009

April 8, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?RES=Á__Brasileiros_pobres_t=EAm _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?o_menor_acesso_=E0_internet_entre_14_pa=EDses_da_Am = =?iso-8859-1?q?=E9rica_Latina_e_Caribe = From: sylvia(a)prontocl.com.br Dear Omar: He is lamentable to say that that is our reality, the reality of which less they have in LACRALO. In Brazil, he is exactly in which we come fighting in Brazil Internaut! With few resources, but with the force of our volunteers, we fought in order to diminish the digital breach (so far) in the state of Sao Paulo. It would be good that your organization and ours was united in a project stops to do more by those than less they must and thus arrive at Brazilian not-digitized! Greetings, ______________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein Leite Brazil Internaut -----Mensagem original Of: lac-discuss-he is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome of Omar Kaminski Shipment command post: terça-feira, 7 of April of 2009 18:53 It stops: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: [ lac-discuss-is ] Brasileiros poor têm or minor acesso à Internet between 14 countries it gives Caribbean Latin America and http://www.agenciabrasil.gov.br/noticias/2009/04/07/materia.2009-04-07.42803 30998/view Brasileiros poor têm or minor acesso à Internet between 14 countries gives America Latin and Caribbean Isabela Vieira Repórter gives Agência Brazil Rio de Janeiro - command post countries gives Caribbean to Latin America and do, or acesso à Internet by part gives população mais rich prunes to be I tied30 vezes maior that or acesso poor hairs mais. Command post uma list com 14 countries(com given mais recentes), or Brazil lead to desigualdade. Between rich you mais or use noncountry é of 52%, quanto between poor you mais, é of 1,7%. Ace informações são gives Comissão Econômica for Caribbean Latin America and (Cepal), tie à Organização gives Nações United (the UN). In order to chegar a essas conclusões, or órgão criou um bank of indicating dices com on tecnologia gives informação and comunicação (TIC). From hoje (7), or system is disponível gratuitously na Internet. http://www.cepal.org/tic/flash/ Or bank of dices crosses informações on use of computers, Internet e telephone, by exemplo, com indicating socioeconômicos, helpingna elaboração of policies of inclusão digital. Of acordo com to Cepal, by meio it gives tecnologia, serviços of saúde, educação and governo eletrônico podem to ficar mais acessíveis aos cidadãos. "To ferramenta cenário on or use causes um dessas tecnologias na região. Com isso, you countries podem to desenhar ou to search novos esforços,you novate initiatives and to extend esse acesso ", explains to projeto coordenadora do, Mariana Balboni. To Cepal reuniu informações command post inglês and espanhol of 17 countries, colhidas by meio of searches you will domicile feitas between 2000 and 2007. São mais of 40 variáveis on TIC and 20 socioeconômicos indicators, like renda e escolaridade. Nonsystem, or cruzamento prunes to be feito of várias maneiras. To projeto coordenadora do, explains that given to DAS searches you nacionais foram harmonizados com bases command post padrões estatísticos internacionais, but that for inclusão of you novate informações, um two desafios é to padronização DAS searches. Second Balboni, to avaliação two results é feita by scientists sociais, não organizing hairs do system. But adianta, com bases indicating us, that to renda à influences not acesso tecnologia Latin American us country. "We can dizer, gives maneira geral, that to exclusão digital acompanhaa exclusão social noncountry, us countries and between you countries." _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/552f33b997.html --]]

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=?iso-8859-1?q?Brasileiros_pobres_t=EAm_o_menor _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?acesso_=E0_internet_entre_14_pa=EDses_da_Am=E9rica _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?Latina_e_Caribe =
by omar＠kaminski.adv.br April 7, 2009

April 7, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brasileiros_pobres_t=EAm_o_menor _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?acesso_=E0_internet_entre_14_pa=EDses_da_Am=E9rica _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?Latina_e_Caribe = From: omar(a)kaminski.adv.br http://www.agenciabrasil.gov.br/noticias/2009/04/07/materia.2009-04-07.4280… Brasileiros poor têm or minor acesso à Internet between 14 countries gives America Latin and Caribbean Isabela Vieira Repórter gives Agência Brazil Rio de Janeiro - command post countries gives Caribbean to Latin America and do, or acesso à Internet by part gives população mais rich prunes to be I tied 30 vezes maior that or acesso poor hairs mais. Command post uma list com 14 countries (com given mais recentes), or Brazil lead to desigualdade. Between rich you mais or use noncountry é of 52%, quanto between poor you mais, é of 1,7%. Ace informações são gives Comissão Econômica for Caribbean Latin America and (Cepal), tie à Organização gives Nações United (the UN). In order to chegar a essas conclusões, or órgão criou um bank of indicating dices com on tecnologia gives informação and comunicação (TIC). From hoje (7), or system is disponível gratuitously na Internet. http://www.cepal.org/tic/flash/ Or bank of dices crosses informações on use of computers, Internet e telephone, by exemplo, com indicating socioeconômicos, helpingna elaboração of policies of inclusão digital. Of acordo com to Cepal, by meio it gives tecnologia, serviços of saúde, educação and governo eletrônico podem to ficar mais acessíveis aos cidadãos. "To ferramenta cenário on or use causes um dessas tecnologias na região. Com isso, you countries podem to desenhar ou to search novos esforços,you novate initiatives and to extend esse acesso ", explains to projeto coordenadora do, Mariana Balboni. To Cepal reuniu informações command post inglês and espanhol of 17 countries, colhidas by meio of searches you will domicile feitas between 2000 and 2007. São mais of 40 variáveis on TIC and 20 socioeconômicos indicators, like renda e escolaridade. Nonsystem, or cruzamento prunes to be feito of várias maneiras. To projeto coordenadora do, explains that given to DAS searches you nacionais foram harmonizados com bases command post padrões estatísticos internacionais, but that for inclusão of you novate informações, um two desafios é to padronização DAS searches. Second Balboni, to avaliação two results é feita by scientists sociais, não organizing hairs do system. But adianta, com bases indicating us, that to renda à influences not acesso tecnologia Latin American us country. "We can dizer, gives maneira geral, that to exclusão digital acompanhaa exclusão social noncountry, us countries and between you countries." _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/6e232d27b5.html --]]

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Fwd: [GTLD-WG] Approval of the document before the deadline
by Carlton Samuels April 6, 2009

April 6, 2009

See the information below for you full advice. Carlton Samuels ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> Date: Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM Subject: [GTLD-WG] Approval of the document before the deadline To: gtld-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Hello all, I'm coming to one of those moments of pure exasperation. As you know, at the Summit WG3 worked hard and long hours to craft a consensus that included not only critique but concrete recommendations for progress. The result of this work is at https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?statement_on_new_gtlds_application… We knew at the time that ICANN had imposed a deadline of April 13 for comments to revision 2 of the gTLD guidebook. I have been desperately asking ALAC for some process in evaluating the work to date, suggesting changes, and submitting the result in time as an endorsed document. To this end, I attended the last ALAC conference call and practically begged for some indication that this was being taken seriously. So far I have heard nothing from anyone except for 1) Un-helpful (IMO) comments from staff that suggested our credibility was at risk because of unnamed people whose views we hadn't considered. Weeks have passed since this staff threat was issued, yet none of the unnamed has stepped forward. 2) A timetable offered by the ALAC executive, proposing a consultative process that ends one week after the deadline has passed: https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?at_large_policy_development_schedu… I have personally heard from a number of individuals, and I have indicated their concerns in comments at the bottom of the WG3 wiki page indicated above. I am hoping to word-craft some text that will address these concerns. I also recall Beau Brendler stating that he had some comments but I haven't heard any details yet. We definitely want to keep working on this, maintain an open process, and consider all points of view. However, it appears that we're not going to be getting ALAC endorsement of our existing work in time for the deadline next week. In the absense of that, can I ask the other members of this WG to advance the issue within your RALOs, and possibly obtain their endorsement? I have already done this at NARALO. At this point I am asking for a tentative endorsement while I word on wording to address the concerns raised in my comments at the bottom of the wiki page. - Evan _______________________________________________ GTLD-WG mailing list GTLD-WG(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gtld-wg_atlarge-lists.icann… Working Group direct URL: https://st.icann.org/gnso-liaison/index.cgi?new_gtld_policy

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