October 2018 - lac-discuss-en

preport published
by Vanda Scartezini Oct. 31, 2018

Oct. 31, 2018

Dear friends An additional report was published yesterday. 30 October 2018: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/new-gtld-subsequent-procedures-supp-i… Kisses to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos.

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Fwd: [At-Large] For Sale - Entire names spaces.
by Carlton Samuels Oct. 31, 2018

Oct. 31, 2018

FYI, from one of a few on the domain investor business side who impress me as a sober, evidence-persuaded commentator, my friend Antony gave me permission to share this private note. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018, 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [At-Large] For Sale - Entire names spaces. To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Hi Carlton, So many expectations about new gTLDs have been proven wrong -- those of both proponents and opponents -- that some of the commitments made at launch are out of date or uneconomical or both. Effectively you have a bunch of TLDs that no-one wants because the applicants were so eager to appease trademark holders, or GAC, or ICANN, or local governments, that they agreed to all kinds of things they shouldn't have from an economic perspective. This is particularly true of those who sought to evade competition by filing as a community, or those who wouldn't / couldn't argue with restrictions imposed by city governments. You can argue whether that's good or bad, but there's certainly an economic cost to the gTLD registries who did that, both in terms of registration volume but also in resale value. Sponsoring organizations and governments who are getting a revenue share might also regret having imposed conditions, but I'm not sure there's a way out for "community" applications, because they won based on those very restrictions. If ICANN's guidebook for the next round is as opaque as the first one, and if the various outside committees/consultants examining the applications are as arbitrary and weird in their results, the same effect will occur again: applicants won't know if they're going to pass or not, so they will restrict themselves needlessly in order to get half a loaf instead of nothing at all. Antony On 10/24/2018 5:23 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote: Hi Anthony: I share your view on this. My line was really a teaser to hopefully bring out contrary opinions I've heard. A few of our brethren have argued that if the original conditionals were elements for the reduced valuation then maybe the full value could not be realized without shedding them. Cheers, -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:12 PM Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc> wrote: > Hi Carlton, > > I'm pretty certain that the buyer would have to embrace all of the > commitments. Otherwise, It would be pretty easy to evade restrictions, > particularly those of "community" TLDs that restrict the sale or use of > second-level names. If that were allowed, you could simply sell it to > another party (that you happened to control) to escape the original > commitments. In my experience ICANN is very punctilious when it comes to > registry commitments > > One proof of this is that TLDs are valued at a lower (or higher) price > depending on what their commitments are, because prospective buyers don't > want a TLD that has restrictions that don't fit their business model or > vision. > > Antony > > On 10/24/2018 10:48 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: > > What would be interesting is if conveyancing embraces every and all of the > original commitments. > > https://domainnamewire.com/2018/10/24/we-buy-tlds/ > > CAS > > ============================== > *Carlton A Samuels* > > *Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & > Turnaround* > ============================= > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing listAt-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > >

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U.S. Government follows up on “cooling off period” idea for ICANN employees
by Carlton Samuels Oct. 31, 2018

Oct. 31, 2018

https://domainnamewire.com/2018/10/29/u-s-government-follows-up-on-cooling-… ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Saludos a todos y todas
by Adrian Carballo Oct. 30, 2018

Oct. 30, 2018

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Saludos a todos y todas Desde:Adrian Carballo <ainfodata(a)gmail.com> Dear Sergio, Estmado Harold. I also want to join the Congratulations wishing them success in the management. Best regards. Adrián Carballo President Include me Foundation The sea., Oct. 30 of 2018 12:11, Ing. Carlos Antonio Leal Saballos <lealsaballos(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio and Harold My congratulations and best wishes in this new stage Greetings from Nicaragua On Fri., Oct. 26 2018 at 2:04, Sergio Salinas Porto ( <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> ) wrote: Dear friends, today begins a new stage, a stage that could not be faced with courage and wanting to do things if it were not for the great work done by Humberto and Maritza, who left a very high yardstick for this new leadership. We must work hard to overcome this work. As a result of this work, we have three documents under discussion in our community, of which four are proposed, which will almost complete the work of the Governance Group, gestated from the regional mediation process. It will be in a sense a new beginning, a refounding of LACRALO. The ALAC context tells us that we have an important mission within the At-Large Review Implementation Working Group (ARIWG). ICANN is implementing strong budget management policies. We must manage the budget in Lacralo very well.There are strong restrictions on the use of the budget in general. Example: Part of the ICANN Staff did not travel to Barcelona, expenses have been reduced to the maximum. We will deepen our Outreach & Engagement plan to be effective in regional activities, this must be strategic for our region. This new stage in LACRALO, has the objective of modifying our way of working and aiming to generate a model of leadership that implies greater participation and responsibilities on the part of all of us. All of us are responsible for the present and future of LACRALO. We believe in a Multiple Leadership model, with a focus on the processes of policy participation within ICANN. In this new stage some organizational changes will be implemented in the region, trying to optimize time and being more incisive when working on policies. There will be a call to form working groups on topics that are being broadcast in ICANN. We will work on the Strategic Plan of LACRALO, which is set as the north for this management and for the next ones to come. The Genéro theme is a great topic that we must have in our agenda. A training team will be set up that takes into account the needs of the region and the LAs that make them up. It is necessary to set in motion the Emeritus Council once it is approved Participation metrics will be noted from its approval, it will be part of how to measure the progress of our next strategic plan from now on. Once the Operating Principles have been approved, we will begin to prepare the Operating Rules. We are committed to trying to reactivate reciprocal collaboration agreements with LACNIC. We will organize a communication team who will be in charge of the social media of the region and an electronic bulletin of LACRALO, to disseminate the collective activities that we will carry out here, the work of the working groups and the different activities of Latin America and the Caribbean All this will be set in motion, it remains to close some operational issues so that this ambitious work plan and user empowerment can be put in place, in the coming weeks this management team and leadership, will take the last steps to start work in this direction. We send a big hug to everyone. Sergio Salinas Porto (President), Harold Arcos (Secretary) Sergio Salinas Porto President Argentine Internaut Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Youtube: salinasporto Skype: internautaargentina Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org - Many Greetings - Ing. Carlos Antonio Leal Saballos Professor of Information Technology and Communication Universidad Centroamericana (UCA)http://www.uca.edu.ni Contact information cleal(a)ns.uca.edu.ni Section 69 - Managua, Nicaragua PBX (505) 2278 3923 to 27 ext 1066 TeleFax (505) 2267 3638 Cellular (505) 8608 5751 _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7c237f99e5.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19
by Aida Noblia Oct. 29, 2018

Oct. 29, 2018

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 Desde:Aida Noblia <aidanoblia(a)gmail.com> Thank you, Harold. Greetings to all . Aida Sun., Oct. 28 2018 at 19:52, Harold Arcos ( <harold.arcos(a)gmail.com> ) wrote: Dear Taken note of the Action Items. I anticipate that the creation of the wiki site (Confluence) will be effective as soon as the Staff returns from their week of break they take after each face-to-face meeting. Any change I will inform you.While the time comes, I will collect the previous inputs necessary to feed the confluence work site. For all those who wish to read documents that are part of the historical comments or statements such as the GAC (Governmental Advisory Committee) please find some links of interest within our At-Large page that I leave below:https://atlarge.icann.org/search/ #! /? searchText = amazon Confluence Space (Wiki):https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/At-Large+Comments+on+gT… Letter from the Amazon Cooperation Treaty Organization:https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/mendoza-t… regards On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 5:35 PM Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear friends, it's good that we are discussing these issues! I go in parts: 1) I will instruct the Secretariat so that together with the staff they organize the requested wiki (I understand that this will be done once the staff reincorporates to the usual tasks) 2) It is true that a minute was sent (very similar to a record), in the last meeting by teleconference with Göran, but not in the meeting we had face to face in Barcelona. I am going to ask if it is possible to give these minutes in our community. Regards! Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users Sun., Oct. 28 from 2018 17:50, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers.What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon. We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent.From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties.These conditions must go beyond economic compensation. And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent. I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you.transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process starting with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting.I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On October 28 2018 17:50, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent.I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting. I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org - Aida Noblia [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e1a3433294.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19
by Sergio Salinas Porto Oct. 28, 2018

Oct. 28, 2018

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> Dear friends, it's good that we are discussing these issues! I go in parts: 1) I will instruct the Secretariat so that together with the staff they organize the requested wiki (I understand that this will be done once the staff reincorporates to the usual tasks) 2) It is true that a minute was sent (very similar to a record), in the last meeting by teleconference with Göran, but not in the meeting we had face to face in Barcelona. I am going to ask if it is possible to give these minutes in our community. Regards! Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users Sun., Oct. 28 from 2018 17:50, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent.I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting. I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On October 28 2018 17:50, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent.I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting. I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/316668ceeb.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19
by Humberto Carrasco Oct. 28, 2018

Oct. 28, 2018

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 Desde:Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers.What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon. We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent.From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties.These conditions must go beyond economic compensation. And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent. I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you.transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process starting with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting.I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b467234f6d.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19
by Alejandro Pisanty Oct. 28, 2018

Oct. 28, 2018

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 Desde:Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/da20811622.html --]]

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Saludos a todos y todas
by Sergio Salinas Porto Oct. 27, 2018

Oct. 27, 2018

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject: Saludos a todos y todas Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> Dear friends, today begins a new stage, a stage that could not be faced with courage and wanting to do things if it were not for the great work done by Humberto and Maritza, who left a very high yardstick for this new leadership. We must work hard to overcome this work. As a result of this work, we have three documents under discussion in our community, of which four are proposed, which will almost complete the work of the Governance Group, gestated from the regional mediation process. It will be in a sense a new beginning, a refounding of LACRALO. The ALAC context tells us that we have an important mission within the At-Large Review Implementation Working Group (ARIWG). ICANN is implementing strong budget management policies. We must manage the budget in Lacralo very well.There are strong restrictions on the use of the budget in general. Example: Part of the ICANN Staff did not travel to Barcelona, expenses have been reduced to the maximum. We will deepen our Outreach & Engagement plan to be effective in regional activities, this must be strategic for our region. This new stage in LACRALO, has the objective of modifying our way of working and aiming to generate a model of leadership that implies greater participation and responsibilities on the part of all of us. All of us are responsible for the present and future of LACRALO. We believe in a Multiple Leadership model, with a focus on the processes of policy participation within ICANN. In this new stage some organizational changes will be implemented in the region, trying to optimize time and being more incisive when working on policies. There will be a call to form working groups on topics that are being broadcast in ICANN. We will work on the Strategic Plan of LACRALO, which is set as the north for this management and for the next ones to come. The Genéro theme is a great topic that we must have in our agenda. A training team will be set up that takes into account the needs of the region and the LAs that make them up. It is necessary to set in motion the Emeritus Council once it is approved Participation metrics will be noted from its approval, it will be part of how to measure the progress of our next strategic plan from now on. Once the Operating Principles have been approved, we will begin to prepare the Operating Rules. We are committed to trying to reactivate reciprocal collaboration agreements with LACNIC. We will organize a communication team who will be in charge of the social media of the region and an electronic bulletin of LACRALO, to disseminate the collective activities that we will carry out here, the work of the working groups and the different activities of Latin America and the Caribbean All this will be set in motion, it remains to close some operational issues so that this ambitious work plan and user empowerment can be put in place, in the coming weeks this management team and leadership, will take the last steps to start work in this direction. We send a big hug to everyone. Sergio Salinas Porto (President), Harold Arcos (Secretary) Sergio Salinas Porto President Argentine Internaut Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Youtube: salinasporto Skype: internautaargentina Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/abd7dd3da7.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19
by Humberto Carrasco Oct. 27, 2018

Oct. 27, 2018

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 Desde:Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation.It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way.This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c34c64c46a.html --]]

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