January 2010 - lac-discuss-en

Re: [lac-discuss-en] [NA-Discuss] NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 10
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn Feb. 1, 2010

Feb. 1, 2010

Well, I plan on making a formal request for ICANN to acknowledge OnlineNIC's real address and update the directory tomorrow. If anyone wants to digitally sign onto the letter or sponsor pushing it as a constituency, I'm ready to go! As for the PO box issue, I'm also ready work on this officially. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 10 > From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sun, January 31, 2010 3:45 pm > To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > The global At-Large constituency assembled at Mexico City declared its > position very clearly on this matter. I suspect Ray Charles would have seen > the essence of our concerns, even if an ICANN lawyer couldn't. It is this > kind of unseemly dithering that leads some very reasonable people to believe > ICANN is hostage to a particular constituency. > > Carlton Samuels > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, <na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > wrote: > > > Send NA-Discuss mailing list submissions to > > na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > na-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of NA-Discuss digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO Box? > > (Garth Bruen at KnujOn) > > 2. Re: Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO Box? > > (Michael Maranda) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:17:15 -0700 > > From: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > > To: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: [NA-Discuss] Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO > > Box? > > Message-ID: > > < > > 20100130081715.4ea5342b4f0c5bb9c50429b56f1eb1a7.b1feb56e43.wbe(a)email.secureserver.net > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Dear At-Large folks, > > > > In 2008 KnujOn published a report indicating that 70 ICANN accredited > > Registrars had no publicly disclosed business location > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#06102008) The fundamental problem > > was one of community trust and consumer faith. Registrars extend their > > legitimacy to their domain customers who then transact and communicate > > with the public. It is difficult enough when registrants conduct illicit > > commerce and wrap themselves in mystery, for a Registrar to do the same > > shames the entire industry. Much to our shock, we found that Registrars > > were not required to publicly disclose their address. Since then the > > ICANN Registrar directory (http://www.internic.net/alpha.html) has been > > updated to include all the addresses and the Registrar Accreditation > > Agreement > > (http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm) has > > been amended to include the following language: > > ?3.16 Registrar shall provide on its web site its accurate contact > > details including a valid email and mailing > > address.(http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm#3 > > )? > > But what constitutes a ?valid mailing address? other than it can > > accept mail. > > This probably would have been better worded as ?valid business > > address? as we recommended > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#11022008) but that will have to > > wait for the next round of RAA changes. In the meantime we ask the > > question, does it support openness and accountability if the gatekeepers > > of domain registration run out of public mailboxes? Some may immediately > > argue that it is an immediacy of running a small business since they may > > not have to staff or facilities to accept mail. And I would guess this > > would be the case for companies like Domain Monkeys, LLC who use a P.O. > > box but have a real brick-and-mortar shop just up the street. The same > > goes for DomainsToBeSeen.com, DOMERATI and Sundance Group. But we are > > puzzled by Hosting.com, Inc., which has a P.O. Box in Kentucky when > > their business is really in Colorado. > > > > Honestly, the issue disappears if the Registrar clearly posts its > > business address where consumers can find it. Enetica Pty Ltd uses a PO > > box in Australia but clearly states its street address on their website. > > Contrast this with DomReg Ltd. (AKA LIBRIS.COM) which runs from a PO > > box in Russia and has no other contact information posted on its website > > not even a phone number. > > > > Now, we have many Registrars using P.O. boxes in the Cayman Islands and > > other Caribbean locations. DirectNIC, LTD, AKA Intercosmos, used to > > have an address in New Orleans but now has a PO box in the Caymans. > > Bargin Register also has a Caymans PO box listed as their address. It > > has been explained to us multiple times that ?all addresses in Caymans > > are PO boxes,? but this is only partly true. For the purposes of > > mailing in the Caymans PO Boxes must be used, however, all businesses do > > in fact have street addresses. Example, The Royal Bank of Canada in the > > Caymans lists two addresses on its website: 24 Shedden Road, George > > Town, Grand Cayman (street address) and PO Box 245 Grand Cayman KY1-1104 > > (mailing address). In this case the Registrar can and should list both > > addresses but DirectNIC and Bargin Register do not. > > > > And then there are ?suites.? Suite is a deceptive address term since > > it could mean a leased space in an office building or hotel, but suite > > is also the term UPS and other private mailbox services use to refer to > > their rented postal boxes. There are at least a dozen Registrars with > > suite numbers in their addresses that need to be clarified. Estdomains > > ran out of a Delaware proxy address and business registration. This was > > part of their overall policy of hiding any information concerning the > > true nature of the Registration business > > ( > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article… > > ). > > Secrecy and misdirection are primary indications of potential fraud. > > > > Of course all of these issues are moot in the face of a falsified > > address as in the case of Parava Networks, AKA 10-Domains > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#07222008) Parava were later > > de-accredited for other contract violations > > (http://www.icann.org/correspondence/burnette-to-valdes-27feb09-en.pdf) > > In the name of accountability and transparency we need to know that the > > Registrars are legitimate companies and the first step is > > identification. > > > > This brings us to the most extreme case of location obfuscation: > > OnlineNIC. OnlineNIC claims to be in the U.S. but they are not. The > > California address they feature on their website and in the ICANN > > directory is an auto-body shop or barren lot > > (http://dotsnews.com/domain-name-news/184) There are two other > > addresses they use and one is a residential address with no apparent > > business taking place. The second is an office building, but we could > > not find OnlineNIC there, but we did find a UPS Store. There are > > actually more red-herring California addresses for OnlineNIC, but the > > point is made. It is no surprise to many people that documents related > > to OnlineNIC lead back to Hong Kong and ultimately to mainland China. > > Does ICANN even know where OnlineNIC really is? Why are they pretending > > to be in the United States when other Chinese Registrars operate with > > full location disclosure? This is a shameful charade that has mislead > > consumers for too long. We?re calling for OnlineNIC to publicly > > disclose their address and for ICANN to post that real address in the > > directory. > > > > Address disclosure is critical to consumer trust and ICANN?s pledge of > > transparency and openness. The public should see the same address used > > in Registrar accreditation applications. > > > > More info: > > > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/should_a_domain_name_registrar_run_from_a_po_… > > > > > > Thanks for your consideration, Garth > > > > ------------------------------------- > > Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... > > > > Garth Bruen > > gbruen(a)knujon.com > > http://www.knujon.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 > > Linkedin Group: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1870205 > > Blog: http://www.circleid.com/members/3296/ > > Twitter: @Knujon > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:49:05 -0600 > > From: Michael Maranda <tropology(a)gmail.com> > > To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > > Cc: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, > > na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO > > Box? > > Message-ID: > > <3feff8d61001300749k1cf0352bya7c60407a1517710(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > If we can address this issue - we'll have taken a great step forward. > > > > -Michael Maranda > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com > > >wrote: > > > > > Dear At-Large folks, > > > > > > In 2008 KnujOn published a report indicating that 70 ICANN accredited > > > Registrars had no publicly disclosed business location > > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#06102008) The fundamental problem > > > was one of community trust and consumer faith. Registrars extend their > > > legitimacy to their domain customers who then transact and communicate > > > with the public. It is difficult enough when registrants conduct illicit > > > commerce and wrap themselves in mystery, for a Registrar to do the same > > > shames the entire industry. Much to our shock, we found that Registrars > > > were not required to publicly disclose their address. Since then the > > > ICANN Registrar directory (http://www.internic.net/alpha.html) has been > > > updated to include all the addresses and the Registrar Accreditation > > > Agreement > > > (http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm) has > > > been amended to include the following language: > > > ?3.16 Registrar shall provide on its web site its accurate contact > > > details including a valid email and mailing > > > address.( > > http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm#3) > > > ? > > > But what constitutes a ?valid mailing address? other than it can > > > accept mail. > > > This probably would have been better worded as ?valid business > > > address? as we recommended > > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#11022008) but that will have to > > > wait for the next round of RAA changes. In the meantime we ask the > > > question, does it support openness and accountability if the gatekeepers > > > of domain registration run out of public mailboxes? Some may immediately > > > argue that it is an immediacy of running a small business since they may > > > not have to staff or facilities to accept mail. And I would guess this > > > would be the case for companies like Domain Monkeys, LLC who use a P.O. > > > box but have a real brick-and-mortar shop just up the street. The same > > > goes for DomainsToBeSeen.com, DOMERATI and Sundance Group. But we are > > > puzzled by Hosting.com, Inc., which has a P.O. Box in Kentucky when > > > their business is really in Colorado. > > > > > > Honestly, the issue disappears if the Registrar clearly posts its > > > business address where consumers can find it. Enetica Pty Ltd uses a PO > > > box in Australia but clearly states its street address on their website. > > > Contrast this with DomReg Ltd. (AKA LIBRIS.COM) which runs from a PO > > > box in Russia and has no other contact information posted on its website > > > not even a phone number. > > > > > > Now, we have many Registrars using P.O. boxes in the Cayman Islands and > > > other Caribbean locations. DirectNIC, LTD, AKA Intercosmos, used to > > > have an address in New Orleans but now has a PO box in the Caymans. > > > Bargin Register also has a Caymans PO box listed as their address. It > > > has been explained to us multiple times that ?all addresses in Caymans > > > are PO boxes,? but this is only partly true. For the purposes of > > > mailing in the Caymans PO Boxes must be used, however, all businesses do > > > in fact have street addresses. Example, The Royal Bank of Canada in the > > > Caymans lists two addresses on its website: 24 Shedden Road, George > > > Town, Grand Cayman (street address) and PO Box 245 Grand Cayman KY1-1104 > > > (mailing address). In this case the Registrar can and should list both > > > addresses but DirectNIC and Bargin Register do not. > > > > > > And then there are ?suites.? Suite is a deceptive address term since > > > it could mean a leased space in an office building or hotel, but suite > > > is also the term UPS and other private mailbox services use to refer to > > > their rented postal boxes. There are at least a dozen Registrars with > > > suite numbers in their addresses that need to be clarified. Estdomains > > > ran out of a Delaware proxy address and business registration. This was > > > part of their overall policy of hiding any information concerning the > > > true nature of the Registration business > > > ( > > > > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article… > > > ). > > > Secrecy and misdirection are primary indications of potential fraud. > > > > > > Of course all of these issues are moot in the face of a falsified > > > address as in the case of Parava Networks, AKA 10-Domains > > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#07222008) Parava were later > > > de-accredited for other contract violations > > > (http://www.icann.org/correspondence/burnette-to-valdes-27feb09-en.pdf) > > > In the name of accountability and transparency we need to know that the > > > Registrars are legitimate companies and the first step is > > > identification. > > > > > > This brings us to the most extreme case of location obfuscation: > > > OnlineNIC. OnlineNIC claims to be in the U.S. but they are not. The > > > California address they feature on their website and in the ICANN > > > directory is an auto-body shop or barren lot > > > (http://dotsnews.com/domain-name-news/184) There are two other > > > addresses they use and one is a residential address with no apparent > > > business taking place. The second is an office building, but we could > > > not find OnlineNIC there, but we did find a UPS Store. There are > > > actually more red-herring California addresses for OnlineNIC, but the > > > point is made. It is no surprise to many people that documents related > > > to OnlineNIC lead back to Hong Kong and ultimately to mainland China. > > > Does ICANN even know where OnlineNIC really is? Why are they pretending > > > to be in the United States when other Chinese Registrars operate with > > > full location disclosure? This is a shameful charade that has mislead > > > consumers for too long. We?re calling for OnlineNIC to publicly > > > disclose their address and for ICANN to post that real address in the > > > directory. > > > > > > Address disclosure is critical to consumer trust and ICANN?s pledge of > > > transparency and openness. The public should see the same address used > > > in Registrar accreditation applications. > > > > > > More info: > > > > > > > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/should_a_domain_name_registrar_run_from_a_po_… > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your consideration, Garth > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > > > Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... > > > > > > Garth Bruen > > > gbruen(a)knujon.com > > > http://www.knujon.com > > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 > > > Linkedin Group: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1870205 > > > Blog: http://www.circleid.com/members/3296/ > > > Twitter: @Knujon > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > > ------ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > > > End of NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 10 > > ****************************************** > > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 10
by Carlton Samuels Jan. 31, 2010

Jan. 31, 2010

The global At-Large constituency assembled at Mexico City declared its position very clearly on this matter. I suspect Ray Charles would have seen the essence of our concerns, even if an ICANN lawyer couldn't. It is this kind of unseemly dithering that leads some very reasonable people to believe ICANN is hostage to a particular constituency. Carlton Samuels ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, <na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > wrote: > Send NA-Discuss mailing list submissions to > na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > na-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NA-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO Box? > (Garth Bruen at KnujOn) > 2. Re: Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO Box? > (Michael Maranda) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:17:15 -0700 > From: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > To: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [NA-Discuss] Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO > Box? > Message-ID: > < > 20100130081715.4ea5342b4f0c5bb9c50429b56f1eb1a7.b1feb56e43.wbe(a)email.secureserver.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear At-Large folks, > > In 2008 KnujOn published a report indicating that 70 ICANN accredited > Registrars had no publicly disclosed business location > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#06102008) The fundamental problem > was one of community trust and consumer faith. Registrars extend their > legitimacy to their domain customers who then transact and communicate > with the public. It is difficult enough when registrants conduct illicit > commerce and wrap themselves in mystery, for a Registrar to do the same > shames the entire industry. Much to our shock, we found that Registrars > were not required to publicly disclose their address. Since then the > ICANN Registrar directory (http://www.internic.net/alpha.html) has been > updated to include all the addresses and the Registrar Accreditation > Agreement > (http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm) has > been amended to include the following language: > ?3.16 Registrar shall provide on its web site its accurate contact > details including a valid email and mailing > address.(http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm#3 > )? > But what constitutes a ?valid mailing address? other than it can > accept mail. > This probably would have been better worded as ?valid business > address? as we recommended > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#11022008) but that will have to > wait for the next round of RAA changes. In the meantime we ask the > question, does it support openness and accountability if the gatekeepers > of domain registration run out of public mailboxes? Some may immediately > argue that it is an immediacy of running a small business since they may > not have to staff or facilities to accept mail. And I would guess this > would be the case for companies like Domain Monkeys, LLC who use a P.O. > box but have a real brick-and-mortar shop just up the street. The same > goes for DomainsToBeSeen.com, DOMERATI and Sundance Group. But we are > puzzled by Hosting.com, Inc., which has a P.O. Box in Kentucky when > their business is really in Colorado. > > Honestly, the issue disappears if the Registrar clearly posts its > business address where consumers can find it. Enetica Pty Ltd uses a PO > box in Australia but clearly states its street address on their website. > Contrast this with DomReg Ltd. (AKA LIBRIS.COM) which runs from a PO > box in Russia and has no other contact information posted on its website > not even a phone number. > > Now, we have many Registrars using P.O. boxes in the Cayman Islands and > other Caribbean locations. DirectNIC, LTD, AKA Intercosmos, used to > have an address in New Orleans but now has a PO box in the Caymans. > Bargin Register also has a Caymans PO box listed as their address. It > has been explained to us multiple times that ?all addresses in Caymans > are PO boxes,? but this is only partly true. For the purposes of > mailing in the Caymans PO Boxes must be used, however, all businesses do > in fact have street addresses. Example, The Royal Bank of Canada in the > Caymans lists two addresses on its website: 24 Shedden Road, George > Town, Grand Cayman (street address) and PO Box 245 Grand Cayman KY1-1104 > (mailing address). In this case the Registrar can and should list both > addresses but DirectNIC and Bargin Register do not. > > And then there are ?suites.? Suite is a deceptive address term since > it could mean a leased space in an office building or hotel, but suite > is also the term UPS and other private mailbox services use to refer to > their rented postal boxes. There are at least a dozen Registrars with > suite numbers in their addresses that need to be clarified. Estdomains > ran out of a Delaware proxy address and business registration. This was > part of their overall policy of hiding any information concerning the > true nature of the Registration business > ( > http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article… > ). > Secrecy and misdirection are primary indications of potential fraud. > > Of course all of these issues are moot in the face of a falsified > address as in the case of Parava Networks, AKA 10-Domains > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#07222008) Parava were later > de-accredited for other contract violations > (http://www.icann.org/correspondence/burnette-to-valdes-27feb09-en.pdf) > In the name of accountability and transparency we need to know that the > Registrars are legitimate companies and the first step is > identification. > > This brings us to the most extreme case of location obfuscation: > OnlineNIC. OnlineNIC claims to be in the U.S. but they are not. The > California address they feature on their website and in the ICANN > directory is an auto-body shop or barren lot > (http://dotsnews.com/domain-name-news/184) There are two other > addresses they use and one is a residential address with no apparent > business taking place. The second is an office building, but we could > not find OnlineNIC there, but we did find a UPS Store. There are > actually more red-herring California addresses for OnlineNIC, but the > point is made. It is no surprise to many people that documents related > to OnlineNIC lead back to Hong Kong and ultimately to mainland China. > Does ICANN even know where OnlineNIC really is? Why are they pretending > to be in the United States when other Chinese Registrars operate with > full location disclosure? This is a shameful charade that has mislead > consumers for too long. We?re calling for OnlineNIC to publicly > disclose their address and for ICANN to post that real address in the > directory. > > Address disclosure is critical to consumer trust and ICANN?s pledge of > transparency and openness. The public should see the same address used > in Registrar accreditation applications. > > More info: > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/should_a_domain_name_registrar_run_from_a_po_… > > > Thanks for your consideration, Garth > > ------------------------------------- > Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... > > Garth Bruen > gbruen(a)knujon.com > http://www.knujon.com > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 > Linkedin Group: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1870205 > Blog: http://www.circleid.com/members/3296/ > Twitter: @Knujon > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:49:05 -0600 > From: Michael Maranda <tropology(a)gmail.com> > To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > Cc: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, > na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Should a Domain Name Registrar Run from a PO > Box? > Message-ID: > <3feff8d61001300749k1cf0352bya7c60407a1517710(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > If we can address this issue - we'll have taken a great step forward. > > -Michael Maranda > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com > >wrote: > > > Dear At-Large folks, > > > > In 2008 KnujOn published a report indicating that 70 ICANN accredited > > Registrars had no publicly disclosed business location > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#06102008) The fundamental problem > > was one of community trust and consumer faith. Registrars extend their > > legitimacy to their domain customers who then transact and communicate > > with the public. It is difficult enough when registrants conduct illicit > > commerce and wrap themselves in mystery, for a Registrar to do the same > > shames the entire industry. Much to our shock, we found that Registrars > > were not required to publicly disclose their address. Since then the > > ICANN Registrar directory (http://www.internic.net/alpha.html) has been > > updated to include all the addresses and the Registrar Accreditation > > Agreement > > (http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm) has > > been amended to include the following language: > > ?3.16 Registrar shall provide on its web site its accurate contact > > details including a valid email and mailing > > address.( > http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm#3) > > ? > > But what constitutes a ?valid mailing address? other than it can > > accept mail. > > This probably would have been better worded as ?valid business > > address? as we recommended > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#11022008) but that will have to > > wait for the next round of RAA changes. In the meantime we ask the > > question, does it support openness and accountability if the gatekeepers > > of domain registration run out of public mailboxes? Some may immediately > > argue that it is an immediacy of running a small business since they may > > not have to staff or facilities to accept mail. And I would guess this > > would be the case for companies like Domain Monkeys, LLC who use a P.O. > > box but have a real brick-and-mortar shop just up the street. The same > > goes for DomainsToBeSeen.com, DOMERATI and Sundance Group. But we are > > puzzled by Hosting.com, Inc., which has a P.O. Box in Kentucky when > > their business is really in Colorado. > > > > Honestly, the issue disappears if the Registrar clearly posts its > > business address where consumers can find it. Enetica Pty Ltd uses a PO > > box in Australia but clearly states its street address on their website. > > Contrast this with DomReg Ltd. (AKA LIBRIS.COM) which runs from a PO > > box in Russia and has no other contact information posted on its website > > not even a phone number. > > > > Now, we have many Registrars using P.O. boxes in the Cayman Islands and > > other Caribbean locations. DirectNIC, LTD, AKA Intercosmos, used to > > have an address in New Orleans but now has a PO box in the Caymans. > > Bargin Register also has a Caymans PO box listed as their address. It > > has been explained to us multiple times that ?all addresses in Caymans > > are PO boxes,? but this is only partly true. For the purposes of > > mailing in the Caymans PO Boxes must be used, however, all businesses do > > in fact have street addresses. Example, The Royal Bank of Canada in the > > Caymans lists two addresses on its website: 24 Shedden Road, George > > Town, Grand Cayman (street address) and PO Box 245 Grand Cayman KY1-1104 > > (mailing address). In this case the Registrar can and should list both > > addresses but DirectNIC and Bargin Register do not. > > > > And then there are ?suites.? Suite is a deceptive address term since > > it could mean a leased space in an office building or hotel, but suite > > is also the term UPS and other private mailbox services use to refer to > > their rented postal boxes. There are at least a dozen Registrars with > > suite numbers in their addresses that need to be clarified. Estdomains > > ran out of a Delaware proxy address and business registration. This was > > part of their overall policy of hiding any information concerning the > > true nature of the Registration business > > ( > > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article… > > ). > > Secrecy and misdirection are primary indications of potential fraud. > > > > Of course all of these issues are moot in the face of a falsified > > address as in the case of Parava Networks, AKA 10-Domains > > (http://www.knujon.com/news2008.html#07222008) Parava were later > > de-accredited for other contract violations > > (http://www.icann.org/correspondence/burnette-to-valdes-27feb09-en.pdf) > > In the name of accountability and transparency we need to know that the > > Registrars are legitimate companies and the first step is > > identification. > > > > This brings us to the most extreme case of location obfuscation: > > OnlineNIC. OnlineNIC claims to be in the U.S. but they are not. The > > California address they feature on their website and in the ICANN > > directory is an auto-body shop or barren lot > > (http://dotsnews.com/domain-name-news/184) There are two other > > addresses they use and one is a residential address with no apparent > > business taking place. The second is an office building, but we could > > not find OnlineNIC there, but we did find a UPS Store. There are > > actually more red-herring California addresses for OnlineNIC, but the > > point is made. It is no surprise to many people that documents related > > to OnlineNIC lead back to Hong Kong and ultimately to mainland China. > > Does ICANN even know where OnlineNIC really is? Why are they pretending > > to be in the United States when other Chinese Registrars operate with > > full location disclosure? This is a shameful charade that has mislead > > consumers for too long. We?re calling for OnlineNIC to publicly > > disclose their address and for ICANN to post that real address in the > > directory. > > > > Address disclosure is critical to consumer trust and ICANN?s pledge of > > transparency and openness. The public should see the same address used > > in Registrar accreditation applications. > > > > More info: > > > > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/should_a_domain_name_registrar_run_from_a_po_… > > > > > > Thanks for your consideration, Garth > > > > ------------------------------------- > > Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... > > > > Garth Bruen > > gbruen(a)knujon.com > > http://www.knujon.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 > > Linkedin Group: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1870205 > > Blog: http://www.circleid.com/members/3296/ > > Twitter: @Knujon > > > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > End of NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 10 > ****************************************** >

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol =
by joseluis＠barzallo.com Jan. 27, 2010

Jan. 27, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Carlos Thanks for the answer. My suggestion is for the future in whichyou consider necessary to increase the participation and in which we pruned to you to support I am waiting for the call Greetings Greetings Jose Luis Barzallo (movable email) -----Original Message From: Carlos Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:35:33 To: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ lac-discuss-in ] =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = Dear Amigo Jose Luis. The document that discutira is the one that envie, el/los documents also related estan in the same document (in Spanish). The teleconferencing tendra like central objective the overhaul and commentaries to that document. But there is because one is a new situation, no which this approaching itself from zero, this is absolutamernte new hug Carlos Dionisio Aguirre lawyer - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:54:37 +0000 > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = > > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > > Carlos > > > > for Taking advantage of the interchange and your opening I want to suggest your > consideration the following scheme of information shipment. In a same one > email: > > > > - Link with the general panel of discussion. > > - Link with the subject in Internet to review documentation > related. > > - specific Document. > > - Link to comment out > > > > It is to clears for facilista scheme those who sees beneficiaries of your > work final but I believe that the intentio! n is to obtain to greater participation and me > it seems that this recommendation could help. > > > > Warm greetings, > > > > Jose Luis > > > > Barzallo & Barzallo > > Lawyers > > > > www.barzallo.com > > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > > Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 > > Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 > > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > > email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > > Exempt Ecuador > > _____ > > Of: Carlos Aguirre [ mailto:carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:48 > It stops: joseluis(a)barzallo.com; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] for Document of discussion teleconferencing of > - tomorrow Spanish > > > > Thanks friend, particularly I have seted out to see the form to improve > participation and for it I must sharpen the talent and facilitate the channels. In > that I a.m. to giant hug > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > ! > to lawyer - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > ! * 54-351 -424-2123/423-5423 > to to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar <http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org <http://www.densi.com.ar> > > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] for Document of discussion teleconferencing > morning - Spanish > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:48 -0500 >> Good initiative Carlos > > Thanks > > warm Greetings, > > Jose Luis Barzallo > > AEDIT > Ecuadorian Association of > Straight Computer science and telecommunications > > www.aedit.org.ec > > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > Edif. CristÃ³bal Columbus Of. 602 > Telf: (593 2)2528774/ 2544464 > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com >Exempt Ecuador > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-it is - bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is - bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In ! name of > Carlos > Aguirre > Envoy: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:40 > For: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] for Document of discussion teleconferencing of > - tomorrow Spanish > > > the accompanied document this in single Spanishand is necessary to open it and to read it > before the teleconferencing Morning. > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > _________________________________________________________________ > QuerÃ©s to continue chateando from your celu? Registrate to SMS Messenger > Free! > http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH > > > > _____ > > not to longer you plows going to know dwells nothing of strange supplies in English. New > <http://mail.live.com/mail/spamfighting.aspx> technology anti-Spam of > Hotmail. ConocÃ© dwells here. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm.icann.org! /transbot_archive/a1eãc1239.html > --]] > > > _________________________________________________________________ Usá Messenger everywhere! Sumate to We are Messenger Always and chateá from your celu http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b6ff3aa569.html --]]

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=?iso-8859-1?q?Director_Votante_-_Posici=F3n_de _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?LACRALO =
by andrespiazzagpj＠hotmail.com Jan. 27, 2010

Jan. 27, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Director_Votante_-_Posici=F3n_de _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?LACRALO = From: andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com Considered, in minutes the teleconferencing will take place to continue the discussion on the process of the Voting Director. Although I will not be able to participate, I sent the position of LACRALO in each section of White Libro, decree the 21 of January, and did post in my on the matter blog www.andrespiazza.com in Spanish. I believe that a good work in the process Bottom Up is becoming, beyond the result that is had. Greetings, Andrés Piazza President of LACRALO _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/170618b907.html --]]

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by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com Jan. 27, 2010

Jan. 27, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Dear Amigo Jose Luis. The document that discutira is the one that envie, el/los documents also related estan in the same document (in Spanish). The teleconferencing tendra like central objective the overhaul and commentaries to that document. But there is because one is a new situation, no which this approaching itself from zero, this is absolutamernte new hug Carlos Dionisio Aguirre lawyer - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:54:37 +0000 > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = > > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > > Carlos > > > > for Taking advantage of the interchange and your opening I want to suggest your > consideration the following scheme of information shipment. In a same one > email: > > > > - Link with the general panel of discussion. > > - Link with the subject in Internet to review documentation > related. > > - specific Document. > > - Link to comment out > > > > It is to clears for facilista scheme those who sees beneficiaries of your > work final but I believe that the intentio! n is to obtain to greater participation and me > it seems that this recommendation could help. > > > > Warm greetings, > > > > Jose Luis > > > > Barzallo & Barzallo > > Lawyers > > > > www.barzallo.com > > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > > Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 > > Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 > > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > > email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > > Exempt Ecuador > > _____ > > Of: Carlos Aguirre [ mailto:carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:48 > It stops: joseluis(a)barzallo.com; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] for Document of discussion teleconferencing of > - tomorrow Spanish > > > > Thanks friend, particularly I have seted out to see the formto improve > participation and for it I must sharpen the talent and facilitate the channels. In > that I a.m. to giant hug > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > >! to lawyer - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *! 54-351- 424-2123/423-5423 > to to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar <http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org <http://www.densi.com.ar> > > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] for Document of discussion teleconferencing > morning - Spanish > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:48 -0500 > > Good initiative Carlos > > Thanks > > warm Greetings, > > Jose Luis Barzallo > > AEDIT > Ecuadorian Association of > Straight Computer science and telecommunications > > www.aedit.org.ec > > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > Edif. CristÃ³bal Columbus Of. 602 > Telf: (593 2)2528774/ 2544464 > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com >Exempt Ecuador > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-it is - bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is - bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In ! name of > Carlos > Aguirre > Envoy: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:40 > For: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] for Document of discussion teleconferencing of > - tomorrow Spanish > > > the accompanied document this in single Spanishand is necessary to open it and to read it > before the teleconferencing Morning. > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > _________________________________________________________________ > QuerÃ©s to continue chateando from your celu? Registrate to SMS Messenger > Free! > http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH > > > > _____ > > not to longer you plows going to know dwells nothing of strange supplies in English. New > <http://mail.live.com/mail/spamfighting.aspx> technology anti-Spam of > Hotmail. ConocÃ© dwells here. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm.icann.org! /transbot_archive/a1eãc1239.html > --]] > > > _________________________________________________________________ Usá Messenger everywhere! Sumate to We are Messenger Always and chateá from your celu http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8f20b288f1.html --]]

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Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Uma_vez_m=E�_la_uni=F3n_hace_la _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?fuerza_/_Wednesday_27_January_=40_14=�00_UTC =
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Jan. 27, 2010

Jan. 27, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Uma_vez_m=Eß_la_uni=F3n_hace_la _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?fuerza_/_Wednesday_27_January_=40_14=Á00_UTC = From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Sylvia thanks for your preoccupation and your coherent one to drive! It is good for knowing that always there is somebody pushes inside by the discussion in other languages of ICANN... Warm Greetings Sergio Saline I carry Internauta/Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet to http://www.internauta.org.ar Original Message From: <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> To: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21 P.m. Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Uma time plus the union makes the force/Wednesday 27 January @ 14:00 UTC Dear LACRALO companions, THANKS To WHICH REGISTERED Command post SURVEY DOODLE and they put "IS" after his name, will be translation (single command post español)de this so important meeting! I wait for them to all, to which registered and that no. Command post this teleconferecia will be dealed with the mechanisms selection of the future representing director of ALAC that will be part of the BOARD. Who knows until can be somebody of our region... Who knows some of you.... PARTICIPATE, WILL BE TOMORROW! 27-01 Greetings, Sylvia _________________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein Leite LACRALO-ALAC Liaison Latin America & Regional Caribbean AT-Large Organization sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org -----Mensagem original Of: alac-announce-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome of AT-Large Staff Shipment command post: terÃ§a-feira, 26 of janeiro of 2010 15:28 It stops: alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; AT-Large Worldwide Assunto: [ ALAC-Announce ] REMINDER/Community Call: AT-Large Director Selection Process/Wednesday 27 January @ 14:00 UTC Dear All, The AT-Large community is invited to a teleconference on the AT-Large Director Selection Process on Wednesday, 27 January 2010 AT 1400 UTC. 06:00 PST, 09:00 EST, 11:00 Buenos Aires, 14:00 London, 15:00 CET, 17:00 Nairobi, 22:00 Singapore/Hong Kong, 01:00 Sydney (28.01) Ace the concluding step in the community consultation about the AT-Large Selection director process, this telephonic opportunity is to discuss the recently released White Paper on this important issue (see White Director Paper: to https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?director_white_paper) The ALAC seeks this additional AT-Large Community feedback on the process to appoint to voting ICANN Board Director in order to submit to END DRAFT process to the Structural Improvements Committee (SIC) of the Board We invites you to pleases your comments - individual or collective Â AT the bottom of this meeting page: https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?27_january_2010_community_call_at_l arge_director_appointment_process The draft agenda, participation instructions and background information is also available on the page above. Please let U.S. know if you require to dial-out by emailing staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. Please notices this call will be held in English AND in Spanish. Thank you. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina NordstrÃ¶m ICANN AT-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/66643a2316.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?windows-1252?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_tel = =?windows-1252?q?econferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol =
by andrespiazzagpj＠hotmail.com Jan. 26, 2010

Jan. 26, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?windows-1252?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_tel = =?windows-1252?q?econferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = From: andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com Thank you very much Carlos. Of this, ademas was an excellent discussion in the last teleconferencing. We will try to extract the position common of LACRALO in the subjects in which this has been pronounced. But alla of the result of White Libro and the process that is chosen, nobody can doubt the opening that this having the discussion, in a true process bottom up. Greetings, Andres Sent from BlackBerry® -----Original Message From: Jose Luis Barzallo <joseluis(a)barzallo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:48 To: ' Carlos aguirré<carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com>; <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for telec onferencia morning - Spanish Good initiative Carlos. Thanks Warm greetings, Jose Luis Barzallo AEDIT Ecuadorian association of Straight Computer science and telecommunications www.aedit.org.ec Columbus 535 and 6 of December. Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 Fax: 593 2 2564530 Email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Quito Ecuador Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In Carlos name Aguirre Sent: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:40 It stops: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for teleconferencing of - tomorrow Spanish The accompanied document this in single Spanish and is necessary to open it and to read it before the teleconferencing Morning. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre _________________________________________________________________ QuerÃ©s to continue chateando from your celu? Registrate to SMS Messenger Free! http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/065d67ab93.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol =
by joseluis＠barzallo.com Jan. 26, 2010

Jan. 26, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Carlos Taking advantage of the interchange and your opening I want to suggest for your consideration the following scheme of information shipment. In a same one email: - Link with the general panel of discussion. - Link with the subject in Internet to review documentation related. - specific Document. - Link to comment out It is a quite facilista scheme for those who sees beneficiaries of your work but I believe that the final intention is to obtain greater participation and me it seems that this recommendation could help. Warm greetings, Jose Luis Barzallo & Barzallo Lawyers www.barzallo.com Columbus 535 and 6 of December. Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 Fax: 593 2 2564530 Email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Quito Ecuador _____ Of: Carlos Aguirre [ mailto:carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com ] Sent: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:48 It stops: joseluis(a)barzallo.com; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for teleconferencing of - tomorrow Spanish Thanks friend, particularly I have seted out to see the form to improve participation and for it I must sharpen the talent and facilitate the channels. In that I am. a giant hug Carlos Dionisio Aguirre lawyer - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar <http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar> http://ar.ageiadensi.org <http://www.densi.com.ar> > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for teleconferencing morning - Spanish > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:48 -0500 > > Good initiative Carlos. > > Thanks > > warm Greetings, > > Jose Luis Barzallo > > AEDIT > Ecuadorian Association of > Straight Computer science and telecommunications > > www.aedit.org.ec > > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > Edif. CristÃ³bal Columbus Of. 602 > Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > Exempt Ecuador > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Carlos > Aguirre > Envoy: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:40 > For: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for teleconferencing of > - tomorrow Spanish > > > the accompanied document this in single Spanish and is necessary to open it and to read it > before the teleconferencing Morning. > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > _________________________________________________________________ > QuerÃ©s to continue chateando from your celu? Registrate to SMS Messenger Free! > http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH > > _____ No longer you are going to know more nothing of strange supplies in English. New <http://mail.live.com/mail/spamfighting.aspx> technology anti-Spam of Hotmail. ConocÃ© more here. _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a1e6ac1239.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol =
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com Jan. 26, 2010

Jan. 26, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Thanks friend, particularly I have seted out to see the form toimprove the participation and for it I must sharpen the talent and facilitate the channels. In that I am. a giant hug Carlos Dionisio Aguirre lawyer - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for teleconferencing morning - Spanish > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:48 -0500 > > Good initiative Carlos. > > Thanks > > warm Greetings, > > Jose Luis Barzallo > > AEDIT > Ecuadorian Association of > Straight Computer science and telecommunications > > www.aedit.org.ec > > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 > Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com > Exempt Ecuador > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In Carlos name > Aguirre > Envoy: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:40 > For: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for teleconferencing of > - tomorrow Spanish > > > the accom! panied document this in single Spanish and is necessary to open it and to read it > before the teleconferencing Morning. > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > _________________________________________________________________ > QuerÃ©s to continue chateando from your celu? Registrate to SMS Messenger Free! > http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH > > _________________________________________________________________ QuerÃ©s to chatear in all sides with your celu? Registrate to SMS Messenger! http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b4a6ce5b70.html --]]

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by joseluis＠barzallo.com Jan. 26, 2010

Jan. 26, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Documento_de_discusion_para_telec = =?iso-8859-1?q?onferencia_de_ma=F1ana_-_Espa=F1ol = From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Good initiative Carlos. Thanks Warm greetings, Jose Luis Barzallo AEDIT Ecuadorian association of Straight Computer science and telecommunications www.aedit.org.ec Columbus 535 and 6 of December. Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 Fax: 593 2 2564530 Email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Quito Ecuador Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In Carlos name Aguirre Sent: Tuesday, 26 of January of 2010 17:40 It stops: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Document of discussion for teleconferencing of - tomorrow Spanish The accompanied document this in single Spanish and is necessary to open it and to read it before the teleconferencing Morning. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre _________________________________________________________________ Querés to continue chateando from your celu? Registrate to SMS Messenger Free! http://www.somosmessengersiempre.com/?ocid=TWLH _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/be37651aea.html --]]

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