January 2011 - lac-discuss-en

DOODLE / Conference call with ALSes in Latin America
by ICANN At-Large Staff April 5, 2011

April 5, 2011

Dear all, With the discussion in the LACRALO bylaw working group and further discussion among several of the ALSes at the ICANN meeting in Cartagena, Colombia regarding participation of ALSes in LACRALO, it was decided by the LACRALO President and Secretariat to have : - a conference call with ALSes from the Latin American region (with Spanish interpretation) - a conference call with ALSes from the Caribbean region Both of these conference calls would take place before the monthly LACRALO conference call. The suggested agenda of these two regional conference calls : - hear what ALSes have to say regarding their involvement in LACRALO and the way forward for improved ALS participation in LACRALO. - what information is needed by ALSes and its members to better participate in LACRALO. A series of possible briefing calls could then be planned. - mention of the possible LACRALO bylaw modifications to address participation in LACRALO. - a discussion regarding the idea of possible regional balance of the ALAC representatives from LACRALO so that one ALAC Representative from an ALS from the Latin American region and one ALAC Representative from an ALS in the Caribbean region. The call will be scheduled for 90 minutes with interpretation for Spanish and English. ALSes from Latin America are requested to complete the following Doodle by Thursday 13th January 2011 at 2000 UTC. http://doodle.com/sif3cmupzzp4iikb Thank You, Andres Piazza LACRALO President Dev Anand Teelucksingh LACRALO Secretariat

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BOLIVIA: Solicitud de participación en lista de discusión
by Eduardo Feb. 8, 2011

Feb. 8, 2011

Estimados colegas, La Fundación Redes para el Desarrollo Sostenible (REDES), es una organización de sociedad civil sin fines de lucro especializada en la construcción de la Sociedad de la Información en/desde Bolivia. Con más de ocho años de experiencia, hemos influido en el diseño de políticas públicas en mi país. Actualmente, trabajamos en la elaboración de la Ley de TIC en el marco del derecho a la Comunicación articulando varios actores. Nos interesa sobremanera articularnos a la Red de ICANN, considerando que este año abordaremos en profundidad asuntos relacionados a Gobernanza de Internet. Contamos con el apoyo de varias redes de organizaciones para potenciar nuestro accionar. A la espera de su atenta colaboración, les saluda atentamente. J. Eduardo Rojas Presidente Ejecutivo Fundación REDES Calle Víctor Sanjinés Nº 2895 Piso 1 Of. 3 (Zona Sopocachi) Tel/Fax: (591) 2-2911190 Móvil: 70192120 www.fundacionredes.org La Paz, Bolivia

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Geograficas Regions
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Jan. 31, 2011

Jan. 31, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Geograficas Regions From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Alexander: Yet respect I must indicarte that has not been outside place commentary, historically in our THIN one has discussed the ALS that the Caribbean and those that do not reside in that sub-region, without no reside in kind of problem. Single I expressed what it calls the attention to me or is strange to me of excessively, that in this opportunity is position like commentary of LACRALOone manifestation of "ALS of the Caribbean", when not even they sent a single one mail to discuss and to accompany the position by the assembly of the THIN one. I am surely of which many of their points of view had been accompanied by the different ALS that integrate the LACRALO. By another one part also I would like to know when and which representatives of ALS were joined, since I had liked to work with those ALS that they have never participated in the rich experience of our region and by that it is seen they were present. We have been working with Carlton, Fatima, Dev, Arch, Sylvia, Andres and Carlos (cultural, political and regional diversity if there are them) from already for a time speaking on these subjects, that to the reflection of your words seem shady and dark and to the light of the clear task, certain, it needs and it jeopardize see as an encounter and construction of a common place of respect and work, surpassing the differences cultural and historical after a "region growing in the diversity". To bring to collation Olga Cavalli to the discussion of the region is very unsuitable since you are avoiding the work and leadership of Carlton Samuels (Jamaica) in the WG that represented our thin one and not to one part of him. And to tell the truth, and yet the respect that you deserve to me Alex, I do not know if the incorporation of Olga to the discussion to take it like a lack of information in the subject by part yours, a negationof work of Carlton Samuels, or single that you incorporate names to solve internal problems of ISOC (that I clarify to you I do not knowas they are, if these exist and if the this outside case; I do not believe that they are own of this list of discussion). I want to leave well in clear that I am right founded on the history of our THIN one to say that here never there was exclusion of no country or if sub-region, ethnic group or creed are wanted, to say that there is exclusion of the Caribbean it is to lack to the truth or in its defect to twist the factsof a way little become attached to the reality. It is so important to listen to my proposal? or it is more important proposal of the assembly of the ALSes and that I and Sylvia pruned to take that to the ALAC? In function to the answer that DES you will know if entendés to you as I understand it, the processes of the civil society and of internal and external democracies, the one to participate and representing collective and nonsingle subject to be the voice of the isolated subject taking representation of if same. I want aclararte that day 28/01/2011 09:21 a.m. (Hour of my country) was sent the order of manifestation on the part of the ALS of ours region so that we pruned to know which was the opinion on thispoint, there the intensive period of consultations was opened that you are requesting, the same one it was fortifying the one that outside sent by the secretary of the LACRALO Dev Anand Teelucksingh (Trinidad & Tobago) received 27/01/2011day a the 01:07 p.m. of my country in my tray of entrances. It will be continued with this modality to open to the debate and to the pertinent consultations to different ALS in all those subjects that can factually be possible to do it, that was my commitment at the time of postulating tome and is the one that I will take until the last day that is called on to me to be representing the region. I agree with vos in the subject of the split of which I pronounced myself in last teleconferencing and in the aggregate in the POINT SECONDof your email. Hopefully Alex, as much you as ISOC Mexico can have one more a participation hard in the debates of subjects concerning the region to know what they think on these and they contribute to the internal growthof the same one. It has always been welcome your vos and the one of your companions at the time of to make contributions. An affectionate and sincere greeting. * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina Association Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- Latin American federation of Users of Internet <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * The 28/01/2011 10:12 p.m., Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, > > seems to me that the communication emitted by the members ofLACRALO that > resides in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of these > participation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. > > seems to Me outside place your commentary, Sergio, in whom you > you surprise of which the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yes > is correct to ask which are adehieren to the communication, but > also is necessary to ask to us what so deep is the problem. > problem must be analyzed like a problem of the community andlike > a fault of leadership from the previous administration. We cannot > to deny that there is an exclusion situation, and we cannot assume it like > a collective fault of the community only, if ours > representing and elect civil employees do not take care of it of dedicated way. > > the communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and > ! returns concrete the effects from the principles that it discusses. It fits > to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report in > comment as member of the GNSO Council and surely can clarify > much which LACRALO needs to understand better and will be able to transmit > that we need to transmit. > > and in addition, that communication sample that the application of those > principles has serious effects. Those effects are so seriousthat > can take to the LACRALO division, well by a massive affiliation > of the members from the Caribbean to NARLAO, or by a weakening or > disappearance of its participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, > changing it by an active participation in the group of states > insulares small, that reflects conditions of its countries that are more > determining of its reality in subjects of Internet that itslocation. > > Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that > you! are forced at least a to initiate an intensive process of > ! consulta tions. That process of private and public consultations must show > if there is mechanisms and sufficient will so that the Thinones of > continent we work altogether with those of the Caribbean orif, by > opposite, is necessary to begin to work on a split base. > > and that are due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the report of > ICANN referring to the definition of geographic regions. > > In my vision, a split will be a lamentable result. > > SECOND POINT. > > the impact of a split of this nature is ample. We would be > adding us to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that > other regions also were divided and to that organizations were created like > a region, and a THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and one > part of the Middle East, Western Asia? > > Although the report in comment does not enter these discussions, the Caribbean > is going ahead to the conclusions at which it had to arrive > following round of analysis. > > the cues! tionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore it is > a strong call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation > of statu quo in our own region or a change in the same one. > > Hopefully these lines serve so that Sergio and who it can summon > - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - makes an exposition new that > we pruned to debate and to decide soon. > > Warm greetings. > > > Alexander Pisanty > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . ! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . > > > On Fr! i, 28 Ja n 2011, presidency Argentina Internaut wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:43:05 -0300 > > From: presidency Argentina Internaut <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > > > Welcome Javier! > > Thanks for your contribution and commentaries. Such they are considered. * > > * warm Greetings > > > > * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina AsociaciÃ³n > > Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- > > Latin American FederaciÃ³n of Users of Internet > > <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas > > MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina > > Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * > > > > > > the 28/01/2011 04:33 p.m., j.karmakiller(a)gmail.com escribiÃ³: > > > Dear friends of the list of Mail: > > > > > > > > > is the fi! rst time that I participate! I take advantage of to send my greetings a > > > all. > > > My name is Javier Pallero, of Ageia Densi Argentina. > > > > > > > > > With respect to the document on geogr?ficas regions, ismy humble one > > > opinion that the criterion that had to be used (but alla to look for > > > a legitimation in the uses of the UN or other organisms > > > international) is the one of the communicational practicidad within > > > organizacion. > > > > > > > > > Because ICANN is an immense structure, with interactions > > > between diverse disciplines of work, organizations, governments, > > > etc the nomenclature on Geograficas Regions deberia to be one > > > own and that facilitates the use and understanding on the part of mayoria > > > of the subjects involved in ICANN. > > > > > > > > > the present one, for example, condice with the effec! tive distribution of > > > the RIRs. Habria that to sta! nd out a s is the present use that the actors > > > of ICANN in their diverse activities makes and to unifyfor that side. > > > > > > > > > the words is noises, and the classifications, categorias > > > communicational. That she is what but people use and she contributes a > > > to unify criteria within organizacion, is what preferir?a. > > > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ Javier PalleroDerecho and > > > Society of Informaci?n - AGEIA DENSI > > > > > > http://linkedin.com/javierpallero > > > http://javierpallero.tumblr.com > > > > > > sent from * > > > * > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-dis! cuss-is > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a18dc5a4d7.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] HEAD OF CATTLE: Geograficas Regions
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Jan. 31, 2011

Jan. 31, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: HEAD OF CATTLE: Geograficas Regions From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Dear Vanda: Thanks for the contribution of your experience within the Fellowship Program! , the same one can help the subjects much that we are debating inthese days. A strong hug * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina Association Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- Latin American federation of Users of Internet <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * The 29/01/2011 03:46 p.m., Vanda UOL wrote: > > Considered > > Quiero to add to this subject the experience that we had in Fellowship > Program from 2007 when we began. We had one longa discussioncom > members of all the regions and we obtained a division that until today > is working very well. > > a) LAC - there was no position as much of existing members as of > fellows during these years that I have suggested any change in > division that today is. The Caribbean & Latin America feel > perfectly located in a same region. > > b) Europe - they consider the division perfect that the community accepts and > that now reunites all of the leste. > > c) The North America, although Mexico is part of the North, quedose > only com the countries Canada and the United States > > d) the problem was in Asia and Africa, where we managed to divide them, > traverse of the continents like down: > > ·Arab community - including to all with Arab ancestry, they esteban > they i! n Africa or Oriente.medio > > ·The STAN -- including all those of completion -- stan in English -- > afganistan, Pakistan, turquistan, etc... that if they feel totally > outside of all the others, including India among them > > ·The Asians as we understand, including Japan, China, > Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapur, Thailand, Korea etc.... > > ·Those of Sul Pacific -- that include the islands that are countries > around Australia. > > With this division the Fellows, during these + of 10 meetings, no > let feel represented always well. > > Creo that the experience of fellows must be considered. > > Hugs > > Vanda Scartezini > > Pole Consulting Associados > > IT Trend > > Tree-lined avenue Holy 1470 -- 1407,8 > > 01418-903 São Paulo, SP, Brazil > > Tel + 5511 3266.6253 > > Mob + 55118181.1464 > > -----Mensagem original > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome o! f > Alexander Pisanty > Shipment command post: sixth-feira, 2! 8 of jan eiro of 2011 23:13 > For: presidency Argentina Internaut > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Assunto: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, > > seems to me that the communication emitted by the members ofLACRALO that > resides in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of these > participation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. > > seems to Me outside place your commentary, Sergio, in whom you > you surprise of which the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yes > is correct to ask which adhere to the communication, but > also is necessary to ask to us what so deep is the problem. > problem must be analyzed like a problem of the community andlike > a fault of leadership from the previous administration. We cannot > to deny that there is an exclusion situation, and we cannot assume it like > a collective fault of the community only, if ours > representing and elect civil employees do not take care of it of d! edicated way. > > the communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and > returns concrete the effects from the principles that it discusses. It fits > to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processingof the report in > comment as member of the GNSO Council and surely can clarify > much which LACRALO needs to understand better and will be able to transmit > that we need to transmit. > > and in addition, that communication sample that the application of those > principles has serious effects. Those effects are so serious that > can take to the LACRALO division, well by a massive affiliation > of the members from the Caribbean to NARLAO, or by a weakening or > disappearance of its participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, > changing it by an active participation in the group of states > insulares small, that reflects conditions of its countries that are more > determining of its reality in subjects of Internet that itslo! cation. > > Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that ! you were elect, I believe that > you are forced at least a to initiate an intensive process of > consultations. That process of private and public consultations must show > if there is mechanisms and sufficient will so that the Thinones of > continent we work altogether with those of the Caribbean orif, by > opposite, is necessary to begin to work on a split base. > > and that are due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the report of > ICANN referring to the definition of geographic regions. > > In my vision, a split will be a lamentable result. > > SECOND POINT. > > the impact of a split of this nature is ample. We would be > adding us to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that > other regions also were divided and to that organizations were created like > a region, and a THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and one > part of the Middle East, Western Asia? > > Although the report in comment does not enter these discussions, the Caribbean > is go! ing ahead to the conclusions at which it had to arrive > following round of analysis. > > the cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore it is > a strong call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation > of statu quo in our own region or a change in the same one. > > Hopefully these lines serve so that Sergio and who it can summon > - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - makes an exposition new that > we pruned to debate and to decide soon. > > Warm greetings. > > Alexander Pisanty > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . > > Dr Alexander Pisanty > > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > * Sees ISOC Mex! ico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > * Par! ticipate s in ICANN, http://www.icann.org. . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, presidency Argentina Internaut wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:43:05 -0300 > > > From: presidency Argentina Internaut <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > > > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > > > > > Welcome Javier! > > > Thanks for your contribution and commentaries. Such they are had in > > > counts. * * Warm greetings > > > > > > * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina AsociaciÃ³n > > > Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- > > > Latin American FederaciÃ³n of Users of Internet > > > <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas > > > MSN/MSN > > > YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 > > > 215819 > > > * > > > > > > > > > t! he 28/01/2011 04:33 p.m., j.karmakiller(a)gmail.com > <mailto:j.karmakiller@gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > > > > Dear friends of the list of Mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > is the first time that I participate! I take advantage of to send my greetings a > all. > > > > My name is Javier Pallero, of Ageia Densi Argentina. > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect to the document on geogr?ficas regions, ismy humble one > > > > opinion that the criterion that had to be used (but alla to look for > > > > a legitimation in the uses of the UN or other organisms > > > > international) is the one of the communicational practicidad within > organizacion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because ICANN is an immense structure, with interactions between > > > > diverse disciplines of work, organizations, governments, etc > > > > nomenclature on Geograficas Regions deberia to be an own one and that > > > > ! facilitates the use and understanding on the part of mayoria o! f > > &g t; > subject involved in ICANN. > > > > > > > > > > > > the present one, for example, condice with the effective distribution of > the RIRs. > > > > Habria that to stand out as is the present use that theactors of ICANN in > > > > their diverse activities makes and to unify for that side. > > > > > > > > > > > > the words is noises, and the classifications, categorias > > > > communicational. That she is what but people use and she contributes to unify > > > > criteria within organizacion, is what preferir?a. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ Javier PalleroDerecho and > > > > Society of Informaci?n - AGEIA DENSI > > > > > > > > http://linkedin.com/javierpallero > > > > http://javierpallero.tumblr.com > > > > > > > > sent from * > > > > * > > ! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1b4d32d374.html --]]

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HEAD OF CATTLE: Geograficas Regions
by vanda＠uol.com.br Jan. 29, 2011

Jan. 29, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: HEAD OF CATTLE: Geograficas Regions From: vanda(a)uol.com.br Considered I want to add to this subject the experience that we had in Fellowship Program from 2007 when we began. We had one longa discussion com members of all the regions and we obtained a division that until today is working very well. a) LAC - there was no position as much of existing members as of fellows during these years that I have suggested any change in the division that today it is. The Caribbean & Latin America feel perfectly located in a same region. b) Europe - they consider the division perfect that the community accepts and that now it reunites all of the leste. c) the North America, although Mexico is part of the North, quedose only com the countries Canada and the United States d) the problem was in Asia and Africa, where we managed to divide them, traverse of the continents like down: · Arab community - including to all with Arab ancestry, they in Africa or Oriente.medio esteban · The STAN - including all those of completion - stan in English- they afganistan, Pakistan, they turquistan, etc... that if they feel totally outside of all the others, including India among them · The Asians as we understand, including Japan, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapur, Thailand, Korea etc.... · Those of Sul Pacific - that include the islands that are countries around Australia. With this division the Fellows, during these + of 10 meetings, did notleave of to feel represented always well. I believe that the experience of fellows must be considered. Hugs Vanda Scartezini Pole Consulting Associados IT Trend Tree-lined avenue Holy 1470 - 1407,8 01418-903 São Paulo, SP, Brazil Tel + 5511 3266.6253 Mob + 55118181.1464 -----Mensagem original Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome of Alexander Pisanty Shipment command post: sixth-feira, 28 of janeiro of 2011 23:13 It stops: presidency Argentina Internaut Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, it seems to me that the communication emitted by the members of LACRALO that they reside in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of these participation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. It seems to me outside place your commentary, Sergio, in whom you are surprised of that the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yes he is correct to ask which adhere to the communication, but also is necessary to ask to us what so deep is the problem. The problem must be analyzed as a problem of the community and as a fault of leadership from previous administration. We cannot deny that there is a situation of exclusion, and we cannot assume it as a collective fault of the community only, if our elect representatives and civil employees do not take care of it of dedicated way. The communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and returns concrete the effects of the principles that it discusses. It is possible to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report in comment like member of the GNSO Council and surely it will be able to clarify muchof which LACRALO need to understand better and you will be able to transmit what we need to transmit. And in addition, that communication sample that the application of those principles it has serious effects. Those effects are so serious that theycan take to LACRALO division, well by a massive affiliation of the membersof The Caribbean to NARLAO, or by a weakening or disappearance ofhis participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, changing it by one active participation in the group of small states insulares, that reflects conditions of its countries that are more determining of theirreality in subjects of Internet that its location. Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that you are forced at least a to initiate an intensive process of consultations. That process of private and public consultations must show if thereare mechanisms and sufficient will so that the Thin ones of the continent we workaltogether with those of the Caribbean or if, by the opposite, it is necessary to begin to work on a split base. And that is due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the ICANN report referring to the definition of geographic regions. In my vision, a split will be a lamentable result. SECOND POINT. The impact of a split of this nature is ample. We would be adding us to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that others regions also were divided and to that organizations like a region were created, and a THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and a part of Means Orient, Western Asia? Although the report in comment does not enter these discussions, the Caribbean it is advancing to the conclusions at which the following one had to arrive analysis round. The cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore she is one hard call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation of statu quo in our own region or a change in the same one. Hopefully these lines serve so that Sergio and who it can summon - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - they make an exposition new who we pruned to debate and to decide soon. Warm greetings. Alexander Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 * My blog/My blog: <http://pisanty.blogspot.com> http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn procases out: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty> http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Twitter: <http://twitter.com/apisanty> http://twitter.com/apisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, <http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 * They see ISOC Mexico, <http://www.isoc.org.mx> http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC <http://www.isoc.org> http://www.isoc.org * Participates in ICANN, <http://www.icann.org> http://www.icann.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, presidency Argentina Internaut wrote: > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:43:05 -0300 > From: presidency Argentina Internaut <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > Welcome Javier! > Thanks for your contribution and commentaries. Such they are had in > counts. * * Warm greetings > > * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina AsociaciÃ³n > Argentina de Usuarios de Internet < <http://www.internauta.org.ar> http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- > Latin American FederaciÃ³n of Users of Internet > < <http://www.fuilain.org> http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas > MSN/MSN > YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 > 215819 > * > > > the 28/01/2011 04:33 p.m., <mailto:j.karmakiller@gmail.com> j.karmakiller(a)gmail.com escribiÃ³: > > Dear friends of the list of Mail: > > > > > > is the first time that I participate! I take advantage ofto send my greetings to all. > > My name is Javier Pallero, of Ageia Densi Argentina. > > > > > > With respect to the document on geogr?ficas regions, is my humble one > > opinion that the criterion that had to be used (but alla to look for > > a legitimation in the uses of the UN or other organisms > > international) is the one of the communicational practicidad within organizacion. > > > > > > Because ICANN is an immense structure, with interactions between > > diverse disciplines of work, organizations, governments, etc > > nomenclature on Geograficas Regions deberia to be an own one and that > > facilitates the use and understanding on the part of mayoria of > > subject involved in ICANN. > > > > > > the present one, for example, condice with the effective distribution of RIRs. > > Habria that to stand out as is the present use that the actors of ICANN in > > their diverse activities makes and to unify for that side. > > > > > > the words is noises, and the classifications, categorias > > communicational. That she is what but people use and she contributes to unify > > criteria within organizacion, is what preferir?a. > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ Javier PalleroDerecho and > > Society of Informaci?n - AGEIA DENSI > > > > <http://linkedin.com/javierpallero> http://linkedin.com/javierpallero > > <http://javierpallero.tumblr.com> http://javierpallero.tumblr.com > > > > sent from * > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-it is > > > > <http://www.lacralo.org> http://www.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/838c5fe345.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Geograficas Regions
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com Jan. 29, 2011

Jan. 29, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Geograficas Regions From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Dear Alexander: Moan the these spills by you in your previous mail, so that I really respect to you deeply. But, I have been able toappreciate, after to have leido several times the mail that you sent: or that nothing you understood, or that when doing the commentary carecias of some substantial information. That is for my, at least, intranquilizador. I say to this so that a person of your carats and with the trajectory that your you have, puede/debe not to miss the concept of the way in which you did it. Evidently your nonparticipation in the teleconferencings of the Region, nor in the long meetings that we have maintained of actual way(Andres, Sergio, Sylvia, Arch, Dev, Antonio, Carlton, Fatima and I) inI complete ICANN meeting, can haberte lead to commit size error. Ademas icluyes to people whom nothing they have to do in this; for example: you mention to Carlos Side that has not participated either in the mentioned meetings (neither teleconferencings, nor actual), ademas of it, and to top it all you incorporate the name of Olga whichbut alla to be in the WG of Geograficas Regions by the GNSO (Like Carlton Samuels, that concur by ALAC), does not have either been in these discuciones of the region and ademas not this in the list of post office LACRALO, reason why I do not understand the mention that beams of its name. Of all ways, (and not to extend in to me that when you review us to it daras the reason), I believe in the diversity of opinions, and if outside the case that! pensaramos different (thing that is not asi, and alli are your error) either serious questionable ours to seem, single serious one opinion different. The error is pardoned to you, but serious good you acabadamente take the necessary collections for informarte before raising something thatstops others podria to seem offensive and thoughtless. We come for a long time trying to generate and to consolidate "a" region LAC and although it is certain that there are that tries the division, those we are not we (Sergio, Andres, Javier and that writes), neither by action nor default surely. I want that this is left for your tranquillity and the one of the people of the capitulos of ISOC well clear that you have mentioned affectionate greeting of which it considers to you. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN to former ALAC to member by LACRALO Lawyer - Specialistic in Right of the Businesses Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org Date: The Sat, 29 Jan 2011 01:13:55 +0000 From: apisan(a)servidor.unam.mx To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] Geograficas Regions [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, it seems to me that the communication emitted by the members of LACRALO that they reside in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of these participation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. It seems to me outside place your commentary, Sergio, in whom you are surprised of that the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yes he is correct to ask which adhere to the communication, but also is necessary to ask to us what so deep is the problem. The problem must be analyzed as a problem of the community and as a leadership fault from the previous administration. We cannot deny that there isa situation of exclusion, and we cannot assume it as a collective fault of community only, if our elect representatives and civil employees no they take care of it of dedicated way. The communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and returns concrete the effects of the principles that it discusses. It is possible to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report in comment like member of the GNSO Council and surely will be able to clarify much of which LACRALO needs to understand better and will be able to transmit what we need to transmit. And in addition, that communication sample that the application of those principles it has serious effects. Those effects are so serious that theycan take to LACRALO division, well by a massive affiliation of the membersof The Caribbean to NARLAO, or by a weakening or disappearance ofhis participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, changing it by one active participation in the group of small states insulares, that it reflects conditions of his countries that are more determining of their reality in subjects of Internet that its location. Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that you are forced at least a to initiate an intensive process of consultations. That process of private and public consultations must show if thereare mechanisms and sufficient will so that the Thin ones of the continent we workin assembly with those of the Caribbean or if, by the opposite, it is necessary to begin a to work on a split base. And that is due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the ICANN report referring to the definition of geographic regions. In my vision, a split will be a lamentable result. SECOND POINT. The impact of a split of this nature is ample. We would be adding us to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that others regions also were divided and to that organizations like one were created region, and a THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and a part of The Middle East, Western Asia? Although the report in comment does not enter these discussions, the Caribbean it is advancing to the conclusions at which the following one had to arrive analysis round. The cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore she is one hard call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation of statu quo in our own region or a change in the same one. Hopefully these lines serve so that Sergio and who it can summon - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - they make an exposition new who we pruned to debate and to decide soon. Warm greetings. Alexander Pisanty Subject: Re: Geograficas Regions From: apisan(a)servidor.unam.mx Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, it seems to me that the communication emitted by the members ofLACRALO that they resides in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of theseparticipation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. It seems to me outside pleases your commentary, Sergio, in whom you plows surprised of that the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yeshe is correct to ask which adhere to the communication, but also is necessary to ask to U.S. what under deep is the problem. The problem must be analyzed ace to problem of the community and ace to leadershipfault from the previous administration. We cannot deny that there isa situation of exclusion, and we cannot assume it ace to collective fault of community only, if our elect representatives and civil employees no they take care of it of dedicated way. The communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and returns effects makes specific the of the principles that it discusses. Possible It is to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report in comment like to member of the GNSO able Council and surely will be to clarify much of which LACRALO needs to understand to better and will be able to transmit what we need to transmit. And in addition, that communication sample that the application of those principles it there are serious effects. Those effects plows under serious that theycan take to LACRALO division, well by to massive affiliation of the membersof The Caribbean to NARLAO, or by to weakening or disappearance ofhis participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, changing it by one group activates participation in the of small states insulares, that it reflects conditions of his countries that plows dwells determining of to their reality in subjects of Internet that its location. Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that you plows forced AT least to to initiate an intensive process of consultations. That process of private and public consultations must show if thereare mechanisms and sufficient will under that the Thin ones of the continent we workin assembly with those of the Caribbean or if, by the opposite, it is necessary to begin a to work on to split bases. And that is due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the ICANN report referring to the definition of geographic regions. In my vision, to split will be to lamentable result. SECOND POINT. The impact of to split of this nature is ample. We would be adding U.S. to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that others regions also were divided and to that organizations like one were created region, and to THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and to part of The Middle East, Western Asia? Although the report in comment does not to enter these discussions, the Caribbean it is advancing to the conclusions AT which the following onehad to arrive analysis round. The cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore she is one hard call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation of statu quo in our own region or to change in the same one. Hopefully these lines serve under that Sergio and who it dog summon - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - they make an exposition new who we pruned to debates and to decides soon. Warm greetings. Alexander Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Ã'106C0C8614 * They see ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org * It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, presidency Argentina Internaut wrote: > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:43:05 -0300 > From: presidency Argentina Internaut <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > Welcome Javier! > for Thanks your contribution and commentaries. Such they plows considered. * > * warm Greetings > > * Sergio Saline I carry President Internaut Argentina AsociaciÃÂ³n Argentina > of Users of Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- FederaciÃÂ³n > Latin American of Users of Internet > <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN > YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5215819 > * > > > the 28/01/2011 04:33 p.m., j.karmakiller(a)gmail.com escribiÃÂ³: > > Dear friends of the list of Mail: > > > > > > is the first Time that I participate! I t! ake advantage of to send my greetings to all. > > My name is Javier Pallero, of Ageia Densi Argentina > > > > > &g! t; With respect to the document on geogr?ficas regions, is myhumble opinion > > that the criterion that had to be used (but alla to look for to legitimation > > in the international you use of the or to other organisms) isthe one of > > communicational practicidad within organizacion. > > > > > > immense Because ICANN is an structure, with interactions between > > to diver itself you discipline of work, organizations, governments, etc > > nomenclature on Geograficas Regions deberia to be an own one and that > > facilitates the uses andunderstanding on the part of mayoria of the subjects > > involved in ICANN. > > > > > > the present one, for example, condice with the effective distribution of the RIRs. > > Habria that to stand out ace is the present uses that the actors of ICANN in his > > to diver activities makes and to unify for that side. > > > > > > the words is ! noises, and the classifications, categorias > > commu! nicational. That she is what but people uses and she contribute! s to uni fy > > criteria within organizacion, is what preferir?a. > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ Javier PalleroDerecho and Society > > of Informaci?n - AGEIA DENSI > > > > http://linkedin.com/javierpallero > > http://javierpallero.tumblr.com > > > > sent from * > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ [ [ - - Original text (he is) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1454âa213.html --]] _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/d52045abef.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Geograficas Regions
by apisan＠servidor.unam.mx Jan. 29, 2011

Jan. 29, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Geograficas Regions From: apisan(a)servidor.unam.mx Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, it seems to me that the communication emitted by the members ofLACRALO that they reside in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of these participation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. It seems to me outside place your commentary, Sergio, in whom you are surprised of that the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yeshe is correct to ask which adhere to the communication, but also is necessary to ask to us what so deep is the problem. The problem must be analyzed as a problem of the community and as a leadership fault from the previous administration. We cannot deny that there isa situation of exclusion, and we cannot assume it as a collective fault of community only, if our elect representatives and civil employees no they take care of it of dedicated way. The communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and returns concrete the effects of the principles that it discusses. It is possible to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report in comment like member of the GNSO Council and surely will be able to clarify much of which LACRALO needs to understand better and will be able to transmit what we need to transmit. And in addition, that communication sample that the application of those principles it has serious effects. Those effects are so serious that theycan take to LACRALO division, well by a massive affiliation of the membersof The Caribbean to NARLAO, or by a weakening or disappearance ofhis participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, changing it by one active participation in the group of small states insulares, that it reflects conditions of his countries that are more determining of their reality in subjects of Internet that its location. Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that you are forced at least a to initiate an intensive process of consultations. That process of private and public consultations must show if thereare mechanisms and sufficient will so that the Thin ones of the continent we workin assembly with those of the Caribbean or if, by the opposite, it is necessary to begin a to work on a split base. And that is due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the ICANN report referring to the definition of geographic regions. In my vision, a split will be a lamentable result. SECOND POINT. The impact of a split of this nature is ample. We would be adding us to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that others regions also were divided and to that organizations like one were created region, and a THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and a part of The Middle East, Western Asia? Although the report in comment does not enter these discussions, the Caribbean it is advancing to the conclusions at which the following one had to arrive analysis round. The cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore she is one hard call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation of statu quo in our own region or a change in the same one. Hopefully these lines serve so that Sergio and who it can summon - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - they make an exposition new who we pruned to debate and to decide soon. Warm greetings. Alexander Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Ã106C0C8614 * They see ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org * It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, presidency Argentina Internaut wrote: > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:43:05 -0300 > From: presidency Argentina Internaut <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > Welcome Javier! > Thanks for your contribution and commentaries. Such they are considered. * > * warm Greetings > > * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina AsociaciÃÂ³n Argentina > of Users of Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- FederaciÃÂ³n > Latin American of Users of Internet > <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN > YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 > * > > > the 28/01/2011 04:33 p.m., j.karmakiller(a)gmail.com escribiÃÂ³: > > Dear friends of the list of Mail: > > > > > > is the first time that I participate! I take advantage of to send my greetings to all. > > My name is Javier Pallero, of Ageia Densi Argentina. > > > > > &g! t; With respect to the document on geogr?ficas regions, is myhumble opinion > > that the criterion that had to be used (but alla to look for a legitimation > > in the international uses of the UN or other organisms) isthe one of > > communicational practicidad within organizacion. > > > > > > Because ICANN is an immense structure, with interactions between > > diverse disciplines of work, organizations, governments, etc > > nomenclature on Geograficas Regions deberia to be an own one and that > > facilitates the use and understanding on the part of mayoria of the subjects > > involved in ICANN. > > > > > > the present one, for example, condice with the effective distribution of the RIRs. > > Habria that to stand out as is the present use that the actors of ICANN in his > > diverse activities makes and to unify for that side. > > > > > > the words is noises, and the classifications, categorias > > commu! nicational. That she is what but people use and she contribute! s to uni fy > > criteria within organizacion, is what preferir?a. > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ Javier PalleroDerecho and Society > > of Informaci?n - AGEIA DENSI > > > > http://linkedin.com/javierpallero > > http://javierpallero.tumblr.com > > > > sent from * > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/14544aa213.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Geograficas Regions
by andrespiazza＠gmail.com Jan. 29, 2011

Jan. 29, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Geograficas Regions From: andrespiazza(a)gmail.com Alexander, The 28 of January of 2011 22:12, Alexander Pisanty <apisan(a)servidor.unam.mx>he wrote: > Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, > > seems to me that the communication emitted by the members of LACRALO that > resides in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of these participation of > You and the one of Javier Pallero. > That is truth, for that reason it surprises me that the commentary arrives at wiki before the list, and for that reason I asked Dev and I asked it whichever ALS here they subscribe that declaration. > > seems to Me outside place your commentary, Sergio, in whom you are surprised of > that the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yes he is correct > to ask which adhere to the communication, but also is necessary > to ask to us what so deep is the problem. The problem must be > analyzed like a problem of the community I hope that it is taken correctly. It sounds to something obvious east analysis, Alexander. >From always the first time has been a subject for the region (that wastouched the subject, memory interventions of Carlton, Lance and Jacqueline, towards Pablo Hinojosa at that moment, in the middle of 2006 in BuenosAires, before of the first creation of the THIN one) and one intensified after the voting of Director by AT Large. In Cartagena we dedicated to length and laying to this topic. As well as in last 2 teleconferencings, and in many informal dialogues, expensive to face and also virtual. I personally saw Sergio, to Carlos, to Fátima, Carlton, Dev, Arch, Sylvia, very involved in this subject. So it is so post Cartagena, orchestrated a new development: The teleconferencings subregional, between that one looks for to fortify the participation of the 2 subregions, to accentuate the idetidad of the same ones and toimprove the representation. > and as a leadership fault > from the previous administration. We cannot deny that there is a situation > of exclusion, and we cannot assume it as a collective fault of > community only, if our elect representatives and civil employees no > takes care of it of dedicated way. > To affirm this can be light, and to that referred to me in theprevious expression. It has, on the part of the people who just I mentioned, an exact understanding of the problem. It is in my leadership that was generated the situation of disagreement of a way well-known, and it was accentuated at the moment at which already we referred. Not in one previous one. The gentleness of the situation is justified, but gustaria to dissent to me with that there is an exclusion of this subregion. The Caribbean felt that there was such rupture in the topical Voting Director, but for the previous commission, the 2 delegates whom LACRALO sentare of the Caribbean. I personally voted them. As well as the first one officer (Carlton like Secretariat) and now Dev. Recordemos that after Mexico, 2 eramos officers Latin American in LACRALO, since nobody of the Caribbean had showed his intention to exert one of those rolls. After my confirmation like President, I insisted strongly so that Dev occupies the position of Secretariat (after seeing its shining task, I am glad it to have done). The Caribbean had greater representation in officials, who your own region, Alexander, if he is that the Latin North-Central America can be said that or Hispanic loudspeaker is a region. And also it had but representation that Andean region in LACRALO. Nothing badly considering that is 20% of the ALSs considering the weighed system. > > the communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and returns > concrete the effects of the principles that it discusses. In this sense I expressed myself in the list and I emphasized that there is general consensus with the points of the rough draft that we are discussing, since as much the position of the Caribbean as the one of the rest of the ASS it agrees with the Draft of the Group of work. > Cabe to mention that > Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report incomment like > member of the GNSO Council and surely will be able to clarify much of which > LACRALO needs to understand better and will be able to transmit what we need > to transmit. > It is Olga in the list? Anyway to listen Carlton in this, something that I already did in the past, is healthful. Tb was member of the WG and delegate by a ALS of the Caribbean in LACRALO, as well as now member of ALAC. > > and in addition, that communication sample that the application of those principles > has serious effects. Those effects are so serious that they can take to > LACRALO division, well by a massive affiliation of the members of > Caribbean to NARLAO, or by a weakening or disappearance of his > participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, changingit by one > active participation in the group of small states insulares,that > reflects conditions of its countries that are more determining of their reality > in subjects of Internet that its location. > This was included/understood acabadamente. I talk about the gentleness of situation. Possibly the answer finishes being that must separate, but I will do everything what is to my reach so that that doesnot happen. In individual with elt subject of our selection of voting director by AT Large, already I proposed that the system of "free vote" is reformulated after "directed vote" so that this does not return to happen. > Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that you are > forced at least a to initiate an intensive process of consultations. That > process of private and public consultations must show if there are mechanisms and > sufficient will so that the Thin ones of the continent we work in > joint with those of the Caribbean or if, by the opposite, itis necessary to begin a > to work on a split base. > This process already was initiated, Alexander. Private and public consultations. > and that are due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the ICANN report > referring to the definition of geographic regions. > > In my vision, a split will be a lamentable result. > > We agreed totally. > SECOND POINT. > > the impact of a split of this nature is ample. We would be > adding us to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that others > regions also were divided and to that organizations like one were created > region, and a THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa anda part of > The Middle East, Western Asia? > This exactly I said in the previous monthly teleconferencing,the one of January, when I used the word. On the end of the time of debate. I subscribe. > > Although the report in comment does not enter these discussions, the Caribbean > is advancing to the conclusions at which the following one had to arrive > analysis round. > > the cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore she is one > hard called of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation of > statu quo in our own region or a change in the same one. > > Hopefully these lines serve so that Sergio and who it can summon - > INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - they make an exposition new who we pruned > to debate and to decide soon. > > Warm greetings. > > Greetings and I am thankful that you have taken time in taking part. AndrÃ©s Piazza > > Alexander Pisanty > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Ã106C0C8614 > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. > > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, presidency Argentina Internaut wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:43:05 -0300 > > From: presidency Argentina Internaut <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > > > Welcome Javier! > > Thanks for your contribution and ! commentaries. Such they are considered. * > > * warm Greetings > > > > * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina AsociaciÃÂ³n > Argentina > > of Users of Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- FederaciÃÂ³n > > Latin American of Users of Internet > > <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas > MSN/MSN > > YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 > 215819 > > * > > > > > > the 28/01/2011 04:33 p.m., j.karmakiller(a)gmail.com escribiÃÂ³: > > > Dear friends of the list of Mail: > > > > > > > > > is the first time that I participate! I take advantage of to send my greetings a > all. > > > My name is Javier Pallero, of Ageia Densi Argentina. > > > > > > > > > With respect to the document on geogr?ficas regions, ismy humble one > opinion > > > that the criterion that had to be used (but alla to look for one > legitimatio! n > > > in the international uses of the UN or other org! anisms)i s the one of > > > communicational practicidad within organizacion. > > > > > > > > > Because ICANN is an immense structure, with interactions between > > > diverse disciplines of work, organizations, governments, etc > > > nomenclature on Geograficas Regions deberia to be an own one and that > > > facilitates the use and understanding on the part of mayoria of the subjects > > > involved in ICANN. > > > > > > > > > the present one, for example, condice with the effective distribution of > RIRs. > > > Habria that to stand out as is the present use that the actors of ICANN in his > > > diverse activities makes and to unify for that side. > > > > > > > > > the words is noises, and the classifications, categorias > > > communicational. That she is what but people use and she contributes to unify > > > criteria within organizacion, is what preferir?a. > > > > > &g! t; > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ Javier PalleroDerecho and > Society > > > of Informaci?n - AGEIA DENSI > > > > > > http://linkedin.com/javierpallero > > > http://javierpallero.tumblr.com > > > > > > sent from * > > > * > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > http://www.lacralo.org > -- * AndrÃ©s Piazza * www.andrespiazza.com _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/707a0d532e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Regiones_Geogr=E1ficas =
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Jan. 29, 2011

Jan. 29, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Regiones_Geogr=E1ficas = From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Thanks andres, also I asked myself as they are the ALS that they wrote and they participated in this, since I did not saw any participating in the list of discussion of our THIN one. * Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina Association Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- Latin American federation of Users of Internet <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * The 28/01/2011 09:34 p.m., Andrés Piazza wrote: > Thanks Sergio. > > Creo that that that I expressed could be the regional position in this subject. > > and to leave the commentary of the ALSs of the Caribbean like an appendix > expressed by some ALS. > > Coincido in which I had liked that they showed it to the list > these ALS. And I ask: As they are those that subscribe the Statement. > > Greetings, > > Andrés Piazza > > the 28 of January of 2011 21:30, presidency Argentina Internaut > <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar>> > wrote: > > Dear companions: I agree with the raised thing by Andres, > I thank for the contributions of Carlos Side and Javier. > calls the attention to see Me like the official position of LACRALO one > position nonconcensuada of the "ALS of the Caribbean" that not > bothered in sending a single mail to the list. > > * > Sergio Saline I carry President Internauta Argentina Association > Argentina de Usuarios de ! Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar> > FLUI- Latin American Federation of Users of Internet > <http://www.fuilain.org> > facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: > salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * > > > the 28/01/2011 06:32 p.m., AndrÃ©s Piazza wrote: > > In this subject, after to have analyzed the report, I believe thatno > > is too much to say, aside from valuing that the outstanding by > > the work group, as far as the axes and to the approaches > > conceptual, had to be supported from LACRALO. > > > > Coinciden? > > > > Finally reduces to explain if we are going to give a perspective > > regional on as we valued the distrubiciÃ³n of our own one > > region. Perhaps it deserves to be shaped there the debate initiated by > > the ALSs of the Caribbean. > > > > Nevertheless I believe that it did not have to be necessary, as long as > > we ratify the Rough draft of the W! ork group and make emphasis > > in item 110 of the same one! . > > > > Greetings, > > > > AndrÃ©s Piazza > > > > the 28 of January of 2011 12:23, Carlos Side <cveraq(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I contribute 3 cents but that Carlos Aguirre > > > >:) > > > > CVQ > > > > the 28 of January of 2011 08:00, Carlos Side <cveraq(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > My five cents > > > > > > 1. Criteria are due to have to assure the representation > > balanced. > > > > > > 2. The criteria must assure the inclusiva participation > > > > > > 3. The geographic representation is a valid criterion > > > > > > 4. The definition of the regions present would have to be reviewed. > > Po example, the U.S.A. > > > is a Country and they cannot be added to same the other countries like > > region > > > > > > 5. The originating representation of the regions must > > t! o consider > > > pertinencia of this representation. At the moment it is spoken > > of the criterion of > > > "calls to account" the same one that seems limited > > > > > > Thanks for the work and the consultation. > > > > > > Hugs > > > > > > Carlos Side > > > ISOC Ecuador > > > > > > > > > the 28 of January of 2011 07:21, presidency Internaut > > Argentina < > > > to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > > <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar>> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear companions of the LACRALO: > > > > In today, overcomes the time to make > > commentaries on > > > > provisory report made by the work group on > > Regions > > > > Geogra'ficas (WGRG) where our companion Carlton Samuels > > has been > > > > participating actively. > > > > we do not want to pronounce itself without before listening tocommentaries > ! > on the part of > > > > you with respect to this ! work. > > > > sent links both to Them to unload a file pdf in > > the version of > > > > Ingles language and in the Spanish respectively > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/geographic-regions/geo-regions-interim-repor… > > > > > > > > > > http://www.icann.org/es/topics/geographic-regions/geo-regions-interim-repor… > > > > > > > > warm Greetings for all > > > > Sergio and Sylvia > > > > > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > > > > > > > * President Internauta Argentina Argentina Association of > > Usuary of > > > > Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- Federation > > Latin American > > > > of Users of Internet > > <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto > > > > twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... > > > > Skype:interna! utaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > * AndrÃ©s Piazza * > > www.andrespiazza.com <http://www.andrespiazza.com> > > > > > -- > * AndrÃ©s Piazza * > www.andrespiazza.com <http://www.! andrespiazza.com> [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/20d740ea0e.html --]]

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Comments from Caribbean ALSes on the Interim Report of the Geographic Regions Working Group
by Dev Anand Teelucksingh Jan. 29, 2011

Jan. 29, 2011

Please see below the statement from the Caribbean ALSes regarding the Interim Report of the Geographic Regions Review Working Group. Caribbean ALSes comments: The defined geographic region of LACRALO has in the past detracted from ICANN’s goal of reflecting the functional, geographic and cultural diversity of the Caribbean Region of Internet end-users. This is felt at a basic level via participation on the mailing list and voicing opinions on matters; as well as relating to larger issues, such as policy development and voting of ALAC (and other) representatives. ICANN’s Core Values We recognise the Initial Report identified representation, participation and operations as three primary usage categories. Traditionally the Caribbean region has been under represented and little involution has been made to encourage and increase participation. The argument for greater input from the Caribbean region is strengthened by the addition of the concepts of “cultural diversity” and “geographic diversity” to the ICANN Bye Laws in 2002; the Caribbean being a unique segment of LACRALO in both these categories and deserving of such recognition. Indeed ICANN, the corporation, has since 2006 employed and tasked an employee to be the Caribbean liaison. In our view, the mechanism by which ICANN’s core values are applied to RALOs is ill-defined, but we can apply the guidelines of the bye laws which state: “Seeking and supporting broad, informed participation reflecting the functional, geographic, and cultural diversity of the Internet at all levels of policy development and decision-making.” --Fourth Core Value; and Also while Article XI, Section 2, Paragraph 4 which deals with ALAC representatives is silent on this point; we can also apply guidance to enshrine ICANN’s Core Values from: “…composed of members that in the aggregate display diversity in geography, culture, skills, experience, and perspective…” --Article VI Section 2 Diversity We agree in the broader recognition of “diversity” to include additional considerations of culture and language in the LACRALO. The Caribbean is distinct in terms of its history, culture and language; further it has indigenous challenges being small island states and specific needs which are not a natural fit with the rest of Latin America. Due to these differences LACRALO is able to benefit from varying opinions and has the potential to be a truly representative region. One small but important example is the predominant use of English language in the Caribbean Region, however 90% of the mailing list discussion takes place in Spanish. With poor translation tools and the particular nuances between languages; we struggle to understand each other and it becomes almost prohibitively difficult to communicate, follow topic threads collaborate and participate fully. Interpretation between our two regions is currently poor and the result is misunderstanding, frustration, duplicated effort and ultimately lack of participation from our Region; thereby resulting in under-representation of our particular perspectives and points of view. Numbers of Internet users We agree that the only measure of “balance” should not be limited to the number of internet users in a particular sub-region of LACRALO. Balance must tie into and promote diversity. This will only occur if it includes the stakeholder groups in various communities of interest having clear view-points on ICANN’s issues. Often, because of our diversity we see two clear perspectives emerging on issues- on one side from the Latin American Region and on the other from the Caribbean Region. However, since the Caribbean is always in the minority (both in terms of numbers of ALSes and users) our votes, our participation and our opinions have little impact unless an ‘arrangement’ is forged with Latin American representatives in order to push a particular motion (on our behalf). This is crippling to the Caribbean region’s presence in LACRALO on several levels: 1. It diminishes participation of our members, due to lack of morale when our perspective is ignored without any consideration and also due to the level of bureaucracy involved in contributing; and 2. It increases the challenge to recruit new members and ALSes because of this sense of pseudo-involvement, marginalism and non-engagement. As it stands, on many occasions the Caribbean voice in LACRALO is indirectly but effectively diminished. Those not represented We have not had any input from the Caribbean end-user groups in Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guyana, Curacao, Bonaire, Aruba, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands or British Virgin Islands with regard to their issues with being aligned to their mother country. But we encourage that their opinion be sought out by the Working Group. Striking Balance We have clearly identified these areas as opportunities to create balance and build a more united LACRALO, and are supportive of the GNSO Principle on Potential Change of Regions (August 2008) which states that “ICANN regions should seek to balance three goals: diversity of representation, ease of participation, and simplicity” and such simplicity “should be balanced with the evolving needs of ICANN’s supporting organisations and other bodies.” A Path Forward Today the “C” in LACRALO means “CROSSROADS”. There are several options: 1. Stay We recognise that as a while we do have two different perspectives on many matters, LACRALO as a whole is poised to become stronger and more inclusive by recognising, reviewing and where possible representing both views. In the Caribbean we perceive our differences as strengths, which give us two separate but equally important vantage points to appreciate the whole. As such, we consider that the Latin American Region not only gains from our perspective in conformance with ICANN’s Core Values, but also benefits by our native and dexterous use of English in reading, discussing, presenting arguments and written contribution on behalf of the entire region of LACRALO. At times, we have not felt willingness by our partners to look beyond their blinkers but we are hopeful that they will recognise the importance of building a framework of balance, not only in light of the above but to create unity and cohesion in LACRALO. In order to encourage this step and in consideration of the diversity of representation, ease of participation, and simplicity goals highlighted above, we have proposed a LACRALO Bye Law modification, such that one of the LACRALO Representatives to ALAC come from the Caribbean Region. This remains our preferred option. 2. Seek alignment with NARALO While we have to go back a few centuries to find commonality in our histories, both NARALO and the Caribbean Region share the same language and akin perspectives on many areas, including our view of democracy. These positives give a strong impression that the Caribbean may find a better fit with NARALO in order to contribute and represent. We are fully aware that it is near impossible to find perfect alignment as the Caribbean region has a clear identity and there will always be distinct aspect of our perspective. In this respect the Caribbean region will only add to the diversity and widen the viewpoint of whichever RALO it belongs to; what is crucial is that value be given to that view when it is expressed. 3. New “Small Island Developing State” RALO (SIDSRALO) We recognise that adding a new region to the existing geographic regional framework results in increased costs for ICANN and perhaps reduced net budget for each RALO. Despite this cost issue, we recognise that the Core Values must prevail and there is merit in having a new grouping specific to the needs of Small Island Developing States like ours. Many of the smaller islands in our region are not represented because of limited resources and we agree that ICANN’s structures and processes should lower barriers for participation and engagement by community members as much as practicable. By forming this new grouping we can leverage on our collective skills to support smaller members not only in the Caribbean but globally, who will have almost identical issues. Perhaps the main drawback with a SIDSRALO would be that we would be geographically dispersed and have to travel long distances for face to face meetings such as a General Assembly. 4. Hybrid This is a mix of option 1 or 2 with the additional support of forming a special interest group by small Islands or similar culture groupings. This is a mechanism of gaining the benefits of both worlds and would facilitate that our voices are represented in both ways. However, this would require additional funding to facilitate representation at meetings, calls, working groups etc. of the particular special interest group. Closing Points The Caribbean ALSes consider that the Interim Report of the Geographic Regions Working Group documents the existing situation, highlights the issues arising and connects these to ICANN’s Core Values. We however feel that there must be a much firmer embrace of ICANN Core values in terms of balance, representation, participation. Notwithstanding the differences and issues that exist, the Caribbean has a deep level of fidelity and attachment, and we wish to work and function as an equal partner in LACRALO. In this statement we have highlighted options to provide balanced contributions and acknowledge that the simplest of these can be realised in the immediate sense with a few adjustments to LACRALO Charter. We laud the Working Group, specifically with regard to identifying and detailing the specific needs of Small Island Developing States and will readily endorse such grouping in whatever form. We hope that this step forward is not negated by issues of funding, as the underlying aim of this assessment is to encourage ICANN’s Core Values. We must always seek out, cherish and ensure effective representation.

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