April 2010 - lac-discuss-en

for you lead them of ALS of the region
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: for you lead them of ALS of the region From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com http://gnso.icann.org/announcements/announcement-09apr10-en.htm Webinar Surveys WHOIS Requirements, Past and Future | Generic Names Supporting Organization gnso.icann.orgWhat there are the GNSO previously recommended able that WHOIS should be to do, and what to other standards or capabilities will WHOIS need in the coming world of IDNs and new gTLDs? Carlos Dionisio Aguirre ALAC to member by LACRALo _________________________________________________________________ Querés to find your emails more express? Organizalos by folders and thus is easier. To see more http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/organizacion.asp _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8f863a4038.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ccTLD CO
by joseluis＠barzallo.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ccTLD CO From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Considered Our Antonio friend can help us with his commentaries from his optics of Colombian user front to which it happens. It give a Antonio hand please us? Warm greetings, Jose Luis AEDIT www.aedit.org.ec Columbus 535 and 6 of December. Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 Fax: 593 2 2564530 Email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Quito Ecuador Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Andres Piazza Sent: Thursday, 08 of April of 2010 14:15 It stops: Spanish LACRALO Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] ccTLD CO Considered, Something we talked in the teleconferencing passed about ccTLDCO and many of us we expressed ourselves on the individual. I take advantage of to copy aqui a chain of the ready Internet Governance Cactus. It is necessary to read the post office of down upwards following the Thread. I must say that opinion of Carlos Afonso identifies to me. Greetings, Andres Piazza Forwarded message From: Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa(a)gmail.com> Date: 2010/4/8 Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org, David Goldstein <goldstein_david(a)yahoo.com.au> This may be interesting to many ace it dog serve ace marries study from the developing world: There plows many ccTLD disparities prevalent in the developing world. For example in the marries of Pakistan, the official ccTLD for pk was based in the U.S. given in the Time of IANA to to Pakistani who there are now to Pakistan eats back. The ccTLD www.pknic.net.pk was to underan IANA allocation and wasn't shifted to the new ICANN contracting. For a country of 170 million extra population the following plows the domain registration stats where only 29557 domains have been registered: stats for PKNIC 2010-04-07: domains: 29557 nameservers: 1179 There is to consumer in-confidence in PKNIC, people plows reluctant to take over-priced domains from PKNIC. PKNIC only registers domains for a period of two years for $25 to domain whereas to TLD for dog be acquired only $16 for two years. Each Time the debates on decentralization of PKNIC you eat up, PKNIC there are connection in the high up you please and is easily able to revoke such efforts. When we started raising these issues, PKNIC invited and included some of our Civil Society members to its board of advisers and the members fell for it and felt under honoured to be included in the board that they forgot what the present Internet Governance problems were. They still continue to participate in the IGC but plows prone to PKNIC interests which of course is to very big drawback. PKNIC there are occasionally broken down in its service with outages sometimes to over weeks. Our CS members have started gaining certain interests local from PKNIC which were publicly questioned by both the and international communities visible ace publicly here: http://public.icann.org/node/343. PKNIC's monopoly cannot be broken through to public-private partnership society, academy, private between civil sector and govt to multistakeholder collaboration. The result is that people plows dwells oriented to acquire TLD domains ace to per today the total TLDdomains in the country stand AT approximately: Domains total in Pakistan: 41,380 (Source:http://www.webhosting.info/registries/country_stats/PK) IF we look AT our neighbouring country India, to their ccTLD runs ace a to multistakeholder partnership due to which they have dwells than half a million local domains. Similarly to their TLD registrations plows also AT the same to number: Domains total in India: 559,213 (Source:http://www.webhosting.info/registries/country_stats/IN) This clearly shows that allowing ccTLD's to monopolize to their positions in the country effect the citizens of those countries in the following ways: 1. Control not to over ccTLD monopolies 2, Access low-cost ccTLD 3, Have to buy dwells TLD instead of ccTLD 4, Less to consumer choices 5, Cost of entry to Internet/Web too high 6, Local Lesser opportunities for initiative growth (with respect to building local online activities backed by local domains) 7, Threat to IDNs and GTLD operations when the same ccTLD operator dog influence govt and to other groups to host to their GLTDs/IDNsto under the same infrastructure. Such monopolies have to be broken otherwise ICANN will only be benefiting to handful. Best Regards Fouad Bajwa On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 AT 4:37 A.M., David Goldstein <goldstein_david(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Carlos, > > Any to register that registers DE domain names dog provide an address, even if for registrars outside Germany this dog be to headache. Nominet you have no restrictions I a.m. aware of. AuDA there are restrictions that say for com.au addresses the person or organisation must have an Australian business to number from the tax office and the name must have some relationship with to their work. > > And million when there plows to over 13 domains, such ace DE and to over 8 million (UK) it * IS * much to harder to get your preferred Domain Name than say, if there plows to over one million (AU and CA). > > > Regards > David > > > > Original Message > From: Carlos To Afonso <ca(a)cafonso.ca> > To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org; David Goldstein <goldstein_david(a)yahoo.com.au> > Sent: Wed, 7 April, 2010 10:58:41 P.m. > Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > David, some additional comments below. > > -- c.a. > > David Goldstein wrote: > > Carlos ET to, > [... ] > > for Some have to requirement to the premises contact ace part of the > > registration process, but this is often easily provided by a > > to register. And the given that world's to number one ccTLD and probably > > to number 2 ccTLD, DE and UK respectively, allow people from around > > the world to to register domain names in their ccTLDs andthe world > > hasn't fails in, then it's not too big to problem. > > Not sure about any restrictions in Nominet (could not find specific > policy requirements in their Web site), but DENIC requires to legal > German address: "It is possible for individuals or institutions (that > have legal capacity) not located in Germany to to register de domains. > There is, to however, to condition, namely that they must appoint an > administrative contact who is resident in Germany and who you have to postcard > possible address AT which it is to serve documents (i.e. not to mere P.O. > box). The administrative contact is then also the person formally > authorized by the domain to holder to receive service of official or court > documents (ZustellungsbevollmÃ€chtigter) within the meaning of the German > Code of Civil Procedure (Zivilprozessordnung) and the German Code of > Criminal Procedure (Strafprozessordnung). For The reason this measure is > to ensure that if any party there are to legal claim to pursue, it is not made > dwells difficult for them by having to serve official or court documents > in another country, which is often to long, drawn-out process." > > Not sure about AuDA to either, but CIRA (Canada) does require proof of > legal Canadian citizenship or to address in Canada. > > > The main issue I see is that by opening up the ccTLD means it is > > to harder for residents to get to their own ccTLD domain. > > Not sure about this. Is think it might even become to easier, although they > will have to is incumbent on for certain addresses with global registrants. My > point is that this "internationalization" just to make money defeats the > original purpose of having ccTLDs national ace the realm ofidentities in > the Domain Name System. Otherwise, let U.S. all join GNSO:) > > cheers > > -- c.a. > > > > > Cheers David > > > > > > > > Original Message From: Carlos To Afonso <ca(a)cafonso.ca> > > To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org; McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, > > 7 April, 2010 9:11:35 P.m. Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > > > > > Hi McTim, I dog start by saying: cheap and quick way to get to gTLD... > >:) There is to business group which convinces to community(or to their > > government, ace I think Colombians have not had the opportunity to > > properly and widely debates this) that to their national identity on the > > Internet is not to longer relevant and let you take to over and convert > > to their ccTLD into to commodity for the international domain market. > > > > In the marries of Colombia, it is clears strange. It is to country with 44 > > million people, relatively high HDI and the third largestSouth > > American economy -- hard to see how this is going to generate any > > significant amount of money to benefit Colombia -- this is Officers' Club of Revolutionary Armed Forces from > > being Tuvalu. On the to other hand, given the size of theeconomy and > > Internet penetration in the country, it is hard to see how a > > non-profit self-sustainable operation to keep to their ccTLD in the > > national commons would not succeed. > > > > But this is my view and I a.m. not to Colombian (just to Latin American), > > under... But it makes me sad to know that xyz.co not to longer points to a > > Colombian Internet space. > > > > frt rgds > > > > -- c.a. > > > > McTim wrote: > > > http://www.cointernet.co/ > > > > > > Do we have any thing to say on this? > > > > > > This type of thing would be to fruitful workshop topic IMO. > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos To Afonso > CGI.br (www.cgi.br) > Nupef (www.nupef.org.br) > ==================================== > new/nuevo/novo email: ca(a)cafonso.ca > ==================================== > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message ace to subscriber on the list: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org To be you remove from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c2a9258cb9.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Considered All. Obvious the positions as opposed to this subject are different and this is healthful for the democracy and the participation in Our list of post office. You podran to facilmente distinguish the two raised positions and as of them she represents the interests of the end users and as interested in defending interests different from first. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre ALAC to member by LACRALO _________________________________________________________________ Organizá a meeting with Hotmail: podés to send an email to your friends and with the Calendar to agendar the date. I discovered more. http://www.microsoft.com/latam/windows/windowslive/products/calendar.aspx _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/af497b051e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ProgramaConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR
by joseluis＠barzallo.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ProgramaConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Roxana It is a very good idea and me one to the monitoreo and contribution that we pruned to do in our countries for this type of programs. Warm greetings, Jose Luis AEDIT www.aedit.org.ec Columbus 535 and 6 of December. Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 Fax: 593 2 2564530 Email: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Quito Ecuador Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Roxana Goldstein Sent: Monday, 12 of April of 2010 7:34 It stops: Andres Piazza CC: Spanish LACRALO Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: ProgramaConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Continuing with the ideas that we are upsetting here, - Antonio thanks for your commentaries -, I believe that the only way to avoid clientelisms, prebendas, corruption of any type with a systematic one and isadapted control of the society on the public policies. It is happened - thinking about high voice that podriamos to organize it stops us to systematize this type of control on this program - that podria to be applied to other similar programs in the region -, and periodically toinform here into what is happening. If to somebody it interests the idea to him, we can begin to work in it. Greetings, Roxana The 8 of April of 2010 14:47, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com>it wrote: > > > Considered, > > I understand you criticize them that they become to the project, and also they worry to me. > But in general, as I said it in other spaces, the project seems to me > step advanced in Argentina. > > If somebody this worried about the demagoguery is understandable, can be that > is certain that it thinks about the politico redito in this launching (like > to deny Carlos to him which says, if it is certain in mayoria of the actions > politicas in ours paises and but even though is one of ours main > preoccupations, to fight the demagoguery and the "cheap politica"). > > Can be that there is distance with the Ceibal Plan of Uruguay. I even create > that the handling of website Conectar Equality was a little shameful, like > exposed Jorge in the social networks. > > asi to my I Even like that this project is developed. If there are points > skinny, also can be worked to improve them. > In any case, is good that it is discussed in the list, although is not > subject that this in the ICANN agenda if this in the Agenda of our ALS in > different paises and in the one from the "Gobernanza de Internet". Nobody > appreciation on the subject is welcome and without doubts itresulted in benefits > that information. > > Greetings, > > Andres Piazza > > > > From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > > To: ABAS(a)marval.com.ar; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:34:18 -0300 > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > AgustÃn I am thankful that you find envoy this, you alleviated the work to me of > to do it je. > > > > > > > > Moan those that spoke denostando this initiative of the government national > Argentine. > > > > > > > > To ours to understand as institution is very good and we supported it. > > > > > > > > This project began in 2005 (OLPC) with the minister of Education > Filmus, and is, a > > my humble one to understand, a project of digital inclusion of promotion of > right of equality > > of opportunities for all the inhabitants of our country. > > > > > > > > This project IF Integra the qualification to educational,IF it has project > integrating stops > > the families and in three years with 3.500.000 netbook given and servers > put in his > > schools we will have almost 15.000.000 people with possibility of access a > the NTICS. > > > > > > > > I am not in agreement with which it was said in the list. > > > > > > > > This project will allow him to have better opportunities to the young people to > hour of the work, > > better opportunities for the local empresariado one at the time of having young people > enabled in > > the use of TICS, etc, > > > > > > > > Creo that there is to speak knowing in question, having read > project, having > > been present in the design of the same one or to have tried to approach one idea > superadores (that > > of safe them must have and many). > > > > > > > > This is not demagoguery 2.0. This political is applied infavor of the use and > popularizaciÃ³n of > > those that less they have and more needs in our country. > > > > > > > > I think that this is Brilliant, and that considered many > variable so that this > > goes to good port (it consists to me). > > > > > > > > With regard to our organization, who IF it comes following this > from the 2005, that > > we saw as the multinational companies of the soft and hard were killed by > to stop this process > > of fairness and democracy, we have we approached some idea so that it will be better > (which > > recepcionadas and was considered at the time of putting in practice > this) we supported > > this initiative that seems to us a powerful tool at the time of > to speak of shortening > > of the digital breach social inclusion and equality of rights for all > the inhabitants of > > our country. > > > > > > > > For that they are worried about the connectivity, in few days > but, ours > > organization altogether with other organizations of our country and with > the support > > of some national deputies of different political parties we will be > presenting/displaying > > project of law of Universal Access of Internet, we will send once > presented/displayed in > > congress one copies you. > > > > > > > > Warm Greetings > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message > > From: "BASTANCHURI, Agustin" <ABAS(a)marval.com.ar> > > To: "Spanish LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:48 A.M. > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > > > Sylvia- Andres: Thank you very much by the information and to help us ours > participation. > > > > All: > > > > Them attached the text of the Decree NÂ° 459/2010 that left published yesterday in > the Bulletin > > Official of the Argentine Republic, that creates the "Program To connect > IGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://igualdad.com.ar/>"with > > ! aim to provide a computer for each educational student and of > schools > > secondary. > > > > the program also looks for "to guard by efficient (...) alevel of > connectivity ". > > > > I know that there are other countries of Latin America and the Caribbean that already they have > similar programs > > working or to send itself. He would be interesting to know his commentaries to > respect. > > s the good news for the objectives of our ALSs, although > we will have to do in > > practical how finally it is applied. > > > > a great hug for all, > > > > > > Agustin Bastanchuri > > _____________________________________________ > > ADIAr (Association of Computer science Right of Argentina) > > > > <<ADIAR - L_Decreto459_2010.pdf>> > > > > > > > > This message is confidential. It can contain protected information > > by the professional secret. If you have received east email by error, > > please comunique! noslo immediately via email and has > > amiability to elimi! nate it of its system; nondebera to copy the message > > nor to disclose its content to any person. Thank you verymuch. > > > > confidential This message is. It may also contain information that is > > privileged or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. 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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program
by goldstein.roxana＠gmail.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program From: goldstein.roxana(a)gmail.com In agreement as for me with which it is decided on the matter. Pardon in which it is incumbent on to me by to have extended this debate if this it were not the space appropriate. thanks from already. Roxana The 12 of April of 2010 10:44, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio(a)gmail.com> he wrote: > Very interesting that is generated I engage in a dialog on this subject in > particular, since but alla of which one can think on > program in I specify or of which it forms a government or another one uses this > type of programs to obtain a politica advantage, continues being > an important topico in mayoria of paises of our region > where a clear and concise strategy does not exist to reduce the famous one > digital breach. > > Surely this is not the list nor the appropriate context for this > I engage in a dialog since although certain subjects can exist in > allocation of numeros and names of Internet that are intersecten with > subject of the digital breach, ICANN and AT-Large have little or nothing that to see > with this type of programs. > > But obvious exists interest in participating, thinking and to discuss on > this subject, happens that but appropriate the serious thingto me to create a network > social (podria to be used NING for example) to create surroundi! ngs > where that those that esten interested in contributing to I engage in a dialog e > to interchange information, ideas and experiences on this topico in > particular could do it in appropriate surroundings but. > > In individual many negatives also exist many positives but > in relation to this type of programs, as they are executed and like > abuses, but to give one analogia makes specific, even thoughto equip to > students of modern tecnologicas tools that allow them > to develop and to use its capacity and intellect, some of these > programs are ended up turning another instrument but of > demagoguery where instead of attending the community including a all > the sectors so that they develop autosustentables strategiesthat by > example facilitates the production and distribution of foods, > ends up distributing eaten in tin, if clear all we give opens them > broad and instructions of like cooking what this inside... > > > PS: One of the main difierencias with the Cei! bal plan of theUrugay > is that the government was made to a s! ide come nzo hardly theexecution of > program and today festejan some of the results and not the announcement > of the launching of the program. > > My 02 > > Kind Greetings > Jorge > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4c43690c45.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program
by goldstein.roxana＠gmail.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program From: goldstein.roxana(a)gmail.com Mónica Thanks. The idea that attempt to express is that also it produces a differenceno to offer access to systems that are today like estandar in the market. we would be forcing to only free software, and we would not give the opportunity of to use and to know what is - independently of which we like or no installed like estandar, to which it is not possible to be acceded without payment, and beneficiaries would be forced to incur expenses outside their reach in order to be able to know those systems privative. I am in favor of free software, but I believe that we cannot be imposed of facto to the favored populations less through the programs of attendance. Those beneficiaries I believe must have the opportunity of to choose like the rest, and to know the systems nonfree is in disadvantage since they cannot to face his costs. For that reason I believe that it would have to occur both systems, with the education corresponding, and to lead itself the subject of free softwarewith programs especificos that all the users treat equal, without distinctions. Without estigmas, without differences. A usuary beneficiary of a program of universalización of the access must be treated just as the others, differences would only be justifiable if they are in favor of his extension of opportunities, not if they restrict them. They are ideas as soon as sketched, we can continue thinking them. Thanks for your interest in the idea. Hug, Roxana The 12 of April of 2010 10:58, Monic <moni(a)abalo-laforgia.com.ar> it wrote: > Hello Roxana, > Thanks for your commentaries. > For which they do not know it, wanted to add in addition, that Roxana is > flaming member of the Argentina Chapter of ISOC (ISOC-Ar)... > > Queri'a hacerte a consultation, with respect to one of your reflections of the mail > previous: Why you say that if is included only free softwareis run > the risk of creating differentiated populations... It is notthat it is not of > agreement in which both are included, but never me had put it to think of > that way and I would like to know your opinion. > > Thank you very much! > Greetings, > MÃ³nica Abalo > > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of > Roxana > Goldstein > Envoy: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:17 A.M. > For: Andres Piazza > CC: Spanish LACRALO > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > >! Hello AndrÃ©s! > Thanks for your generous introduction! > > As far as the article that references, I emphasize this: > "netbooks that it will distribute the State is based on the model ofClassmate > although is clarified that Windows can contain so much an operating system > like > Linux. "If there is not much difference of silver between both options, it seems to me > most neutral than has both including operating systems. If Linux is > as good as I create, the machine would have to work better. At the end of > accounts, will finish being a gratuitous publicity for free software ", > affirmed to PÃ¡gina/12 Ricardo BeltrÃ¡n, investigator of theUBA." > > Coincido in which the equipment must have both systems. In my humble one > opinion: > 1 - the digital inclusion must start off of the extension of liberties, and one > of them is the freedom to choose informadamente with what system to work. > > 2 - it would have to also go accompanied with formation in the use but in the g! lance > critical on the use and incorporation of the technolog! ies, bot h aspects of > the formation is fundamental for a true freedom of selection > > 3 - if free software were only gotten up, runs the risk of creating > differentiated populations, and the digital inclusion would not have to generate those > differences. The formation for the use and of critical glance - that I mention > above would have to become for all, not only for the beneficiaries of this > project. That could be faced from another program, equal forall. > > Greetings, > Roxana > > the 12 of April of 2010 08:48, Andres Piazza > <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com>it wrote: > > > > > Hello Roxana, like these? > > > > Is a pleasure tenerte this way, although already it knew that you were reading > list, > > I am glad much to receive your contribution in the same one. > > > > For which they do not know it, Roxana is an outstanding activist of > region, > > of academic profile, withdrawn of the first litter of the Internet Governance > > Capacity Building ! de Diplofoundation in 07, and that has one active one > > participation in international organisms, specially in the O.A.S. and > others > > of the System of United Nations. > > > > Tuve the opportunity to know it in Rio de Janeiro in the meeting > > preparatory regional for the IGF of 2009 and to be in fluid contact > > from there. Its interest in the ICANN space is absolutelywelcome > and > > I believe that it has much to contribute to us. > > > > On the other hand, is an individual member of the list, and is one > > very interesting experience that debieramos to deepen from the region > (stops > > to be honest is, from 2006, a pending account of LACRALO,the one of > to count > > with better participation of individuals). > > > > Respect to your appreciations, in this same thread I had pronounced myself > and > > I must say that I agree in which you have expressed in main lines. > > > > Something that could add to which a! lready I said, as a critic, is > alliance > > with Intel an! d Micros oft > > > http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/subnotas/143730-46195-2010-04-12 >. > htmlque, in principle, jeopardizes the principle of Technological Neutrality. > > > > Greetings, > > > > AndrÃ©s Piazza > > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:29:41 -0300 > > > From: goldstein.roxana(a)gmail.com > > > To: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > > > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> < > to http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > > > > > Hello to all and all, > > > > > > Firstly, I want to thank for the opportunity to participate and > > to present/display to me, > > > since I am new in this list. I am of Argentina, Buenos Aires, and come > > > working the subjects of digital inclusion, egobierno, IG in my country and > in > > > > > region, w! ith a vision of extension of opportunities forall and > all. > > > > > > Quisiera to express that to my also it seems to me verygood east project. > No > > I have > > > participated in its preparation, I think totally as citizen in form > > > independent since I do not have entailment with the government and either with > > > > > that tried to restrain this type of initiatives. > > > > > > the project has several things that I like much, in addition to > > intention > > > to reduce the digital breach: > > > - that is implemented in secondary state schools. It seems to me > > important > > > that has chosen east group of beneficiaries with priority. > > > > > > - that includes students and professors, since if not outside therefore it is made very > > > difficult that an advantage in the classroom of this resource exists > > technological > > > since the professors constitute a! population group > significantly > > > left behind in i! ts incor poration of these technologies as much in its lives > > > daily like for the performance of its roll in the classroom. > > > > > > - which the equipment in comodato is given, and grants its property to > > > student if the secondary cycle finishes satisfactorily.Important already > > that > > > is encouraged to the completion of the cycle and it looks for to retain the boys > in > > > > > school and to avoid the scholastic desertion that is a subject very important a > > > to work with the adolescents in my country. This aspectof delivery in > > > comodato also was something outstanding of the project olpc of Uruguay, stops > > > to avoid that the equipment is sold. > > > > > > I do not know the details technical the equipment that will be given, > perhaps > > > somebody me could extend this information. I do not know either who are > > > > > suppliers of the equipment and software, the qu! alification, etc. Thanks > > from > > > already by the information that can be contributed for greater elucidation. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Roxana > > > > > > > > > the 8 of April of 2010 14:34, Presidency Internaut < > > > to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > wrote: > > > > > > > AgustÃn I am thankful that you find envoy this, you alleviated the work to me of > > > > to do it je. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moan those that spoke denostando this initiative of the government > > national > > > > Argentine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To ours to understand as institution is very good andwe supported it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This project began in 2005 (OLPC) with the minister of > > Education > > > > Filmus, and is, to my humble one to understand, ! a project of digital inclusion > > of > > > > prom! otion of rights of equality of opportunities for all > > inhabitants > > > > of our country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This project IF Integra the qualification to educational, IF it has > > project > > > > integrating for the families and in three years with 3.500.000 netbook > > given > > > > and servers put in its schools we will have almost 15.000.000 > people > > with > > > > possibility of access to the NTICS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not in agreement with which it was said in the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This project will allow him to have better opportunities to young people a > > > > > hour of the work, better opportunities for the local empresariado one to > > hour > > > > to have young people enabled in the use of TICS, etc, > > > > > > > > > > &g! t; > > > > > Creo that there is to speak knowing in question, having read > > > > project, having been present in the design of the same one or to have > > tried > > > > to approach an idea superadores (that of safe them must have and many). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not demagoguery 2.0. This political is applied in favor of the use and > > > > popularizaciÃ³n of that less they have and more needsin ours > country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this is Brilliant, and that considered many > > variable > > > > so that this goes to good port (it consists to me). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regard to our organization, who IF it comes following > this > > > > from the 2005, that we saw like the multinational companies of the soft and > > hard > > > > was killed ! to stop this process of fairness and democracy, we have > >! we appr oached > > > > some idea so that he will be better (which was recepcionadas and > > had > > > > in account at the time of putting in practice this) we supported this > initiative > > that > > > > seems to us a powerful tool at the time of speaking of > shortening > > of > > > > digital breach social inclusion and equality of rights for all > > > > inhabitants of our country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For that they are worried about the connectivity, in few > days > > but, > > > > our organization altogether with other organizations of ours > > country and > > > > with the support of some national deputies of different > > started off > > > > politicians we will be presenting/displaying the project of law of Access > Universal > > of > > > > Internet, we will send once presented/displayed in the congress a copy a > > you. > > &g! t; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Greetings > > > > > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message From: "BASTANCHURI, Agustin" < > > > > ABAS(a)marval.com.ar > > > > > To: "Spanish LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:48 A.M. > > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > > > > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> < > to http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> < > > to http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sylvia- Andres: Thank you very much by the information and to help us ours > > > > participation. > > > > > > > > All: > > > > > > > > Them attached the! text of the Decree NÂ° 459/2010 thatleft published yesterday ! > > i n > > > > Government reporter of the Argentine Republic, that creates the "Program > > Conectar > > > > IGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://igualdad.com.ar/> <http://igualdad.com.ar/> > <http://igualdad.com.ar/>" > > with the purpose of providing one > > > > > > computer for each educational student and of the secondary schools. > > > > > > > > the program also looks for "to guard by efficient (...) a level of > > > > connectivity ". > > > > > > > > I know that there are other countries of Latin America and the Caribbean that already they have > > > > similar programs working or to send itself. He would be interesting > to know > > his > > > > commentaries on the matter. > > > > s the good news for the objectives of our ALSs, although > > we will have > > > > that to see actually how finally it is applied. > > > > > > > > a great hug for all, > &gt! ; > > > > > > > > > > Agustin Bastanchuri > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > ADIAr (Association of Computer science Right of Argentina) > > > > > > > > <<ADIAR - L_Decreto459_2010.pdf>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message is confidential. It can contain protected information > > > > by the professional secret. If you have received eastemail by > error, > > > > please comuniquenoslo immediately via email and has > > > > amiability to eliminate it of its system; nondebera to copy the message > > > > nor to disclose its content to any person. Thank you very much. > > > > > > > > confidential This message is. 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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program
by moni＠abalo-laforgia.com.ar April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program From: to moni(a)abalo-laforgia.com.ar Hello Roxana, Thanks for your commentaries. For that they do not know it, it wanted to add in addition, that Roxana is flaming member of the Argentina Chapter of ISOC (ISOC-Ar)... A consultation wanted hacerte, with respect to one of your reflectionsof the mail previous: Why you say that if is included only free software isrun the risk of creating differentiated populations... It is not that it is not of agreement in which both are included, but never me had put it to think of that way and I would like to know your opinion. Thank you very much! Greetings, Mónica Abalo Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Roxana Goldstein Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:17 A.M. It stops: Andres Piazza CC: Spanish LACRALO Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Hello Andrés! Thanks for your generous introduction! As far as the article that references, I emphasize this: "netbooks that it will distribute the State is based on the model of Classmate although it is clarified that Windows can contain so much an operating system as Linux. "If there is not much difference of silver between bothoptions, it seems to me most neutral than it has both including operating systems. If Linux is as good as I create, the machine would have to work better. Atthe end of accounts, will finish being a gratuitous publicity for free software ", it affirmed to Página/12 Ricardo BeltrÃ¡n, investigator of the UBA." I agree in which the equipment must have both systems. In my humble one opinion: 1 - the digital inclusion must start off of the extension of liberties, and one of them it is the freedom to choose informadamente with what system to work. 2 - it would have to also go accompanied with formation in the use butin the glance critic on the use and incorporation of the technologies, both aspects of the formation is fundamental for a true freedom of selection 3 - if free software were only gotten up, the risk is run of creating differentiated populations, and the digital inclusion would not have to generate those differences. The formation for the use and of critical glance - that I mention it arrives would have to become for all, not only for the beneficiaries of this project. That could be faced from another program, equal for all. Greetings, Roxana The 12 of April of 2010 08:48, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com>it wrote: > > Hello Roxana, like these? > > Is a pleasure tenerte this way, although already it knew that you were reading list, > I am glad much to receive your contribution in the same one. > > For which they do not know it, Roxana is an outstanding activist of region, > of academic profile, withdrawn of the first litter of the Internet Governance > Capacity Building de Diplofoundation in 07, and that has oneactive one > participation in international organisms, specially in the O.A.S. and others > of the System of United Nations. > > Tuve the opportunity to know it in Rio de Janeiro in the meeting > preparatory regional for the IGF of 2009 and to be in fluid contact > from there. Its interest in the ICANN space is absolutely welcome and > I believe that it has much to contribute to us. > > On the other hand, is an individual member of the list, and is one > very interesting experience that debieramos to deepen from the region (it stops > to be honest is, from 2006, a pending account of LACRALO, the one to count > with better participation of individuals). > > Respect to your appreciations, in this same thread I had pronounced myself and > I must say that I agree in which you have expressed in main lines. > > Something that could add to which already I said, as a critic, is the alliance > with Intel and Microsoft > http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/subnotas/143730-46195-2010-04-12. htmlque, in principle, jeopardizes the principle of Technological Neutrality. > > Greetings, > > AndrÃ©s Piazza > > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:29:41 -0300 > > From: goldstein.roxana(a)gmail.com > > To: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > > Hello to all and all, > > > > Firstly, I want to thank for the opportunity to participate and > to present/display to me, > > since I am new in this list. I am of Argentina, Buenos Aires, and come > > working the subjects of digital inclusion, egobierno, IG in my country and in > > > region, with a vision of extension of opportunities for all and all. > > > > Quisiera to express that to my also it seems to me very good east project. No > I have > > participated in its preparation, I think totally as citizen in form > > independent since I do not have entailment with the government and either with > > > that tried to restrain this type of initiatives. > > > > the project has several things that I like much, in addition to > intention > > to reduce the digital breach: > > - that is implemented in secondary state schools. It seems to me > important > > that has chosen east group of beneficiaries with priority. > > > > - that includes students and professors, since if not outside therefore it is made very > > difficult that an advantage in the classroom of this resource exists > technological > > since the professors constitute a population group significantly > > left behind in its incorporation of these technologies asmuch in its lives > > daily like for the performance of its roll in the classroom. > > > > - which the equipment in comodato is given, and grants its property to > > student if the secondary cycle finishes satisfactorily. Important already > that > > is encouraged to the completion of the cycle and it looksfor to retain the boys in > > > school and to avoid the scholastic desertion that is a subject very important a > > to work with the adolescents in my country. This aspect of delivery in > > comodato also was something outstanding of the project olpc of Uruguay, stops > > to avoid that the equipment is sold. > > > > I do not know the details technical the equipment that will be given, perhaps > > somebody me could extend this information. I do not know either who are > > > suppliers of the equipment and software, the qualification, etc. Thanks > from > > already by the information that can be contributed for greater elucidation. > > > > Sincerely, > > Roxana > > > > > > the 8 of April of 2010 14:34, Presidency Internaut < > > to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > wrote: > > > > > AgustÃn I am thankful that you find envoy this, you alleviated the work to me of > > > to do it je. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moan those that spoke denostando this initiative of thegovernment > national > > > Argentine. > > > > > > > > > > > > To ours to understand as institution is very good and we supported it. > > > > > > > > > > > > This project began in 2005 (OLPC) with the minister of > Education > > > Filmus, and is, to my humble one to understand! , a project of digital inclusion > of > > > promotion of rights of equality of opportunities for all > inhabitants > > > of our country. > > > > > > > > > > > > This project IF Integra the qualification to educational, IF it has > project > > > integrating for the families and in three years with 3.500.000 netbook > given > > > and servers put in its schools we will have almost 15.000.000 people > with > > > possibility of access to the NTICS. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not in agreement with which it was said in the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > This project will allow him to have better opportunities to young people a > > > hour of the work, better opportunities for the local empresariado one to > hour > > > to have young people enabled in the use of TICS, etc, > > > > > > > > > > > > Creo that there is to speak knowing in question, havingread > > > project, having been present in the design of the same one or to have > tried > > > to approach an idea superadores (that of safe them musthave and many). > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not demagoguery 2.0. This political is applied in favor of the use and > > > popularizaciÃ³n of that less they have and more needs in ours country. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this is Brilliant, and that considered many > variable > > > so that this goes to good port (it consists to me). > > > > > > > > > > > > With regard to our organization, who IF it comes following this > > > from the 2005, that we saw like the multinational companies of the soft and > hard > > > was killed to stop this process of fairness and democracy, we have > we approached > > > some idea so that he will be better (which was recepcionadas and > had > > > in account at the time of putting in practice this) we supported this initiative > that > > > seems to us a powerful tool at the time of speaking of shortening > of > > > digital breach social inclusion and equality of rights for all > > > inhabitants of our country. > > > > > > > > > > > > For that they are worried about the connectivity, in few days > but, > > > our organization altogether with other organizations ofours > country and > > > with the support of some national deputies of different > parties > > > politicians we will be presenting/displaying the project of law of Universal Access > of > > > Internet, we will send once presented/displayed in the congress a copy a > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Greetings > > > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message From: "BASTANCHURI, Agustin" < > > > ABAS(a)marval.com.ar > > > > To: "Spani! sh LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:48 A.M. > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > > > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> < > to http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sylvia- Andres: Thank you very much by the information and to help us ours > > > participation. > > > > > > All: > > > > > > Them attached the text of the Decree NÂ° 459/2010 that left published yesterday > in > > > Government reporter of the Argentine Republic, that creates the "Program > Conectar > > > IGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://igualdad.com.ar/> <http://igualdad.com.ar/>" > with the purpose of providing one > > > > computer for each educational student and of the secondary schools. > > > > > > the program also looks for "to guard by efficient (...)a level of > > > connectivity ! ". > > > > > > I know that there are other countri! es of La tin America and the Caribbean that already they have > > > similar programs working or to send itself. He would beinteresting to know > his > > > commentaries on the matter. > > > s the good news for the objectives of our ALSs, although > we will have > > > that to see actually how finally it is applied. > > > > > > a great hug for all, > > > > > > > > > Agustin Bastanchuri > > > _____________________________________________ > > > ADIAr (Association of Computer science Right of Argentina) > > > > > > <<ADIAR - L_Decreto459_2010.pdf>> > > > > > > > > > > > > This message is confidential. It can contain protected information > > > by the professional secret. If you have received east email by error, > > > please comuniquenoslo immediately via email and has > > > amiability to eliminate it of its system; nondebera to copy the message > > > nor to disclose its content to any person. Thank you very much. > > > > > > confidential This message is. It may also contain information that is > > > privileged or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure.If you have > > > received it by mistake please let U.S. know by email immediately and > > > delete it from your system; you should also nor not Copy the message > > > disclose its contents to anyone. Many thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists icann.org > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists icann.org > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists icann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/03ab49cf19.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program
by jmamodio＠gmail.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program From: jmamodio(a)gmail.com Very interesting that is generated I engage in a dialog on thissubject in individual, since but alla of which one can think on program in I specify or of which it forms a government or another one uses this type of programs to obtain a politica advantage, continues being an important topico in mayoria of paises of our region where a clear and concise strategy does not exist to reduce thefamous one digital breach. Surely this is not the list nor the appropriate context for this I engage in a dialog since although certain subjects can existin allocation of numeros and names of Internet that are intersecten with subject of the digital breach, ICANN and AT-Large have little or nothing that to see with this type of programs. But obvious interest in participating exists, thinking and to discuss on this subject, happens that but appropriate the serious thing to me to create a network social (podria to be used NING for example) to create surroundings where who those that esten interested in contributing to I engage in a dialog e to interchange information, ideas and experiences on this topico in individual could do it in appropriate surroundings but. In individual many negatives also exist many positives but in relation to this type of programs, as they are executed andlike they abuse, but to give one analogia makes specific, even though to equip to students of modern tecnologicas tools that allow them to develop and to use its capacity and intellect, some of these programs are ended up turning another instrument but of demagoguery where instead of attending the community includinga all the sectors so that they develop autosustentables strategies that by example facilitates the production and distribution of foods, it ends up distributing eaten in tin, if clear all we give opens them broad and instructions of like cooking what this inside... PS: One of the main difierencias with the Ceibal plan of the Urugay he is that the government was made to a side comenzo hardly the execution of program and today some of the results are festejan and not theannouncement of the launching of the program. My 02 Kind Greetings Jorge _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/97b3c6556c.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program
by goldstein.roxana＠gmail.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program From: goldstein.roxana(a)gmail.com Continuing with the ideas that we are upsetting here, - Antoniothanks for your commentaries -, I believe that the only way to avoid clientelisms, prebendas, corruption of any type with a systematic one and is adapted control of the society on the public policies. It is happened - thinking about high voice that podriamos to organize it stops us to systematize this type of control on this program - that podria to be applied to other similar programs in the region -, and periodically to inform here into what is happening. If to somebody it interests the idea to him, we can begin to work in it. Greetings, Roxana The 8 of April of 2010 14:47, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com>it wrote: > > > Considered, > > I understand you criticize them that they become to the project, and also they worry to me. > But in general, as I said it in other spaces, the project seems to me > step advanced in Argentina. > > If somebody this worried about the demagoguery is understandable, can be that > is certain that it thinks about the politico redito in this launching (like > to deny Carlos to him which says, if it is certain in mayoria of the actions > politicas in ours paises and but even though is one of our main ones > preoccupations, to fight the demagoguery and the "cheap politica"). > > Can be that there is distance with the Ceibal Plan of Uruguay. I even create > that the handling of website Conectar Equality was a little shameful, like > exposed Jorge in the social networks. > > asi to my I Even like that this project is developed. If there are points > skinny, also can be worked to improve them. > In any case, is good that it is discussed in the list, although is no! t > subject that this in the ICANN agenda if this in the Agenda of our ALS in > different paises and in the one from the "Gobernanza de Internet". Nobody > appreciation on the subject is welcome and without doubts itresulted in benefits > that information. > > Greetings, > > Andres Piazza > > > > From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > > To: ABAS(a)marval.com.ar; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:34:18 -0300 > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > Agustín I am thankful that you find envoy this, you alleviated the work to me of > to do it je. > > > > > > > > Moan those that spoke denostando this initiative of the national government > Argentine. > > > > > > > > To ours to understand as institution is very good and we supported it. > > > > > > > > This project began in 2005 (OLPC) with the minister ! of Education > Filmus, and is, a > > my humble one to under! stand, a project of digital inclusion of promotion of > right of equality > > of opportunities for all the inhabitants of our country. > > > > > > > > This project IF Integra the qualification to educational, IF it has a project > integrating stops > > the families and in three years with 3.500.000 netbook given and servers > put in his > > schools we will have almost 15.000.000 people with possibility of access a > the NTICS. > > > > > > > > I am not in agreement with which it was said in the list. > > > > > > > > This project will allow him to have better opportunities to the young people to > hour of the work, > > better opportunities for the local empresariado one at thetime of having young people > enabled in > > the use of TICS, etc, > > > > > > > > Creo that there is to speak knowing in question, having read > project, having > > been present in the design of the same one or to have tried to approach an idea > ! superadores (that > > of safe them must have and many). > > > > > > > > This is not demagoguery 2.0. This political is applied infavor of the use and > popularización of > > those that less they have and more needs in our country. > > > > > > > > I think that this is Brilliant, and that considered many > variable so that this > > goes to good port (it consists to me). > > > > > > > > With regard to our organization, who IF it comes following this > from the 2005, that > > we saw as the multinational companies of the soft and hard were killed by > to stop this process > > of fairness and democracy, we have we approached some idea so that it will be better > (which > > recepcionadas and was considered at the time of putting in practice > this) we supported > > this initiative that seems to us a powerful tool at the time of > to speak of shortening > > of the digital breach social inclusion and equality of rights for! all > the inhabitants of > > our country. > > > > > ! > > & gt; For that they are worried about the connectivity, in few days > but, ours > > organization altogether with other organizations of our country and with > the support > > of some national deputies of different political parties we will be > presenting/displaying > > project of law of Universal Access of Internet, we will send once > presented/displayed in > > congress one copies you. > > > > > > > > Warm Greetings > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message > > From: "BASTANCHURI, Agustin" <ABAS(a)marval.com.ar> > > To: "Spanish LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:48 A.M. > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > > > Sylvia- Andres: Thank you very much by the information and to help us ours > participation. > > > > All: > > > &gt! ; Them attached the text of the Decree N° 459/2010 that left published yesterday in > the Bulletin > > Official of the Argentine Republic, that creates the "Program To connect > IGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://igualdad.com.ar/>"with > > aim to provide a computer for each educational student and of > schools > > secondary. > > > > the program also looks for "to guard by efficient (...) alevel of > connectivity ". > > > > I know that there are other countries of Latin America and the Caribbean that already they have > similar programs > > working or to send itself. He would be interesting to know his commentaries to > respect. > > s the good news for the objectives of our ALSs, although > we will have to do in > > practical how finally it is applied. > > > > a great hug for all, > > > > > > Agustin Bastanchuri > > _____________________________________________ > > ADIAr (Association of Computer science Right of Argentina) > > > &g! t; <<ADIAR - L_Decreto459_2010.pdf>> > > > > > > ! > > T his message is confidential. It can contain protected information > > by the professional secret. If you have received east email by error, > > please comuniquenoslo immediately via email and has > > amiability to eliminate it of its system; nondebera to copy the message > > nor to disclose its content to any person. Thank you verymuch. > > > > confidential This message is. It may also contain information that is > > privileged or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. 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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ProgramaConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR
by joseluis＠barzallo.com April 12, 2010

April 12, 2010

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ProgramaConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR From: joseluis(a)barzallo.com Dear friends Any initiative that is taken is good, whenever it is properly oriented and it does not finish being a political cost. In Ecuador we had an interesting experience with the educational ones.Them it gave a computer and in exchange for that they had to attend a course of formation that evaluated them and on the basis of that could accede to the benefit of to count on a technological equipment for its classes. The project was obligatory. The fact that youth has a computer is quite good, they they develop its abilities with an amazing speed. I hope that the project so as this structured good as there are it mentioned some companions. On political questions or reality national I cannot think. Warm greetings, Jose Luis Barzallo AEDIT ECUADOR www.aedit.org.ec Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Antonio Medina Go'mez Sent: Monday, 12 of April of 2010 6:36 It stops: Roxana Goldstein CC: Spanish LACRALO Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: ProgramaConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Roxana good morning. Very interesting and opportune your commentaries Antonio Medina Go'mez Colombian association of Users of Internet The 12 of April of 2010 06:29, Roxana Goldstein <goldstein.roxana(a)gmail.com>it wrote: > Hello to all and all, > > Firstly, I want to thank for the opportunity to participate and to appear, > since I am new in this list. I am of Argentina, Buenos Aires, and come > working the subjects of digital inclusion, egobierno, IG in my country and in > region, with a vision of extension of opportunities for all and all. > > Quisiera to express that to my also it seems to me very goodeast project. No I have > participated in its preparation, I think totally as citizen in form > independent since I do not have entailment with the government and either with > that tried to restrain this type of initiatives. > > the project has several things that I like much, in additionto the intention > to reduce the digital breach: > - that is implemented in secondary state schools. It seems importantto me > that has chosen east group of beneficiaries with priority. > > - that includes students and professors, since if not outside therefore it is made very > difficult that an advantage in the classroom of this resource exists > technological > since the professors constitute a population group significantly > left behind in its incorporation of these technologies as much in its lives > daily like for the performance of its roll in the classroom. > > - which the equipment in comodato is given, and grants its property to > student if the secondary cycle finishes satisfactorily. Important already that > is encouraged to the completion of the cycle and it looks for to retain the boys in > school and to avoid the scholastic desertion that is a subject very important a > to work with the adolescents in my country. This aspect of delivery in > comodato also was something outstanding of the project olpc of Uruguay, stops > to avoid that the equipment is sold. > perhaps > I do not know the details technical the equipment that will be given, > somebody me could extend this information. I do not know either who are > suppliers of the equipment and software, the qualification, etc. Thanks from > already by the information that can be contributed for greater elucidation. > > Sincerely, > Roxana > > > the 8 of April of 2010 14:34, Presidency Internaut < > to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > wrote: > > > Agustín I am thankful that you find envoy this, you alleviated the work to me of > > to do it je. > > > > > > > > Moan those that spoke denostando this initiative of the government national > > Argentine. > > > > > > > > To ours to understand as institution is very good and we supported it. > > > > > > > > This project began in 2005 (OLPC) with the minister of Education > > Filmus, and is, to my humble one to understand, a projectof digital inclusion of > > promotion of rights of equality of opportunities for all > inhabitants > > of our country. > > > > > > > > This project IF Integra the qualification to educational,IF it has project > > integrating for the families and in three years with 3.500.000 netbook > given > > and servers put in its schools we will have almost 15.000.000 people > with > > possibility of access to the NTICS. > > > > > > > > I am not in agreement with which it was said in the list. > > > > > > > > This project will allow him to have better opportunities to the young people to > > hour of the work, better opportunities for the local empresariado one to > hour > > to have young people enabled in the use of TICS, etc, > > > > > > > > Creo that there is to speak knowing in question, having read > > project, having been present in the design of the same one or to have > tried > > to approach an idea superadores (that of safe them must have and many). > > > > > > > > This is not demagoguery 2.0. This political is applied infavor of the use and > > popularización of that less they have and more needs in our ! country. > > > > > > > > I think that this is Brilliant, and that considered many > variable > > so that this goes to good port (it consists to me). > > > > > > > > With regard to our organization, who IF it comes following this > > from the 2005, that we saw like the multinational companies of the soft and > hard > > was killed to stop this process of fairness and democracy, we have > we approached > > some idea so that he will be better (which was recepcionadas and > had > > in account at the time of putting in practice this) we supported this initiative > that > > seems to us a powerful tool at the time of speaking of shortening of > > > digital breach social inclusion and equality of rights for all > > inhabitants of our country. > > > > > > > > For that they are worried about the connectivity, in few days > but, > > our organization altogether with other organizations of ours country > and > > with the support of some national deputies of different > parties > > politicians we will be presenting/displaying the project of law of Universal Access of > > Internet, we will send once presented/displayed in the congress a copy a > you. > > > > > > > > Warm Greetings > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message From: "BASTANCHURI, Agustin" < > > ABAS(a)marval.com.ar > > > To: "Spanish LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:48 A.M. > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > > > > > > > > Sylvia- Andres: Thank you very much by the information and to help us ours > > participation. > > > > All: > > > > Them attached the text of the Decree N° 459/2010 that left published yesterday in > > > Government reporter of the Argentine Republic, that creates the "Program To connect > > IGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://igualdad.com.ar/>"with the purpose of providing > one > > computer for each educational student and of the secondary schools. > > > > the program also looks for "to guard by efficient (...) alevel of > > connectivity ". > > > > I know that there are other countries of Latin America and the Caribbean that already they have > > similar programs working or to send itself. He would be interesting to know > his > > commentaries on the matter. > > s the good news for the objectives of our ALSs, although > we will have > > that to see actually how finally it is applied. > > > > a great hug for all, > > > > > > Agustin Bastanchuri > > _____________________________________________ > > ADIAr (Association of Computer science Right of Argentina) > > > > <<ADIAR - L_Decreto459_2010.pdf>> > > > > > > > > This message is confidential. It can contain protected information > >! by the professional secret. If you have received east email by error, > > please comuniquenoslo immediately via email and has > > amiability to eliminate it of its system; nondebera to copy the message > > nor to disclose its content to any person. Thank you verymuch. > > > > confidential This message is. It may also contain information that is > > privileged or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you have > > received it by mistake please let U.S. know by email immediately and > > delete it from your system; you should also nor not Copy the message > > disclose its contents to anyone. Many thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists icann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists icann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/47fb2da60f.html --]]

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