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Re: [lac-discuss-en] List of recent publications LACRALO
by apisan＠unam.mx May 30, 2012

May 30, 2012

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: List of recent publications LACRALO From: apisan(a)unam.mx Carlton, maybe it is time to stop the rhetoric, the bullying and the Threats and let work or work. maybe it's time to stop the retrica, the hostigamiennto and threats and to work or leave work. We have limited time to comment on ICANN's Proposal on the definition of ITS security, Stability and resilience scope. Will you Contribute to LACRALOs comments? We have limited time to comment on the definition of ICANN's scope of their duties in safety, estabildad and robustness. You'll help LACRALO comments? If you do not like that subject, is there another? what about a show of true leadership Contributing to draft? If you do not like that topic, there sb else? qutal an example of true leadership in helping a draft? That may I suggest the outstanding diferencias be Dealt with outside this discussion list? You went to the Ombudsman for some reason. Deal with it. I suggest that the differences are treated outside of this list as possible. For something were to the Ombudsman. End the process and return in peace. Alejandro Pisanty ! ! ! !! NEW PHONE NUMBER - NEW PHONE NUMBER FROM ABROAD +52-1-5541444475 FROM +525541444475 MXICO SMS +525541444475 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, University Avenue 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Ph. +52- (1) -55-5105-6044, +52- (1) -55-5418-3732 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the LinkedIn group UNAM, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________________ From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of carlton.samuels @ gmail.com [carlton.samuels @ gmail . com] Posted on: Wednesdays, May 30, 2012 12:35 To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: @ icann.org chris.lahatte; LACRALO discussion list, Evan Leibovitch, Tracy F. Hackshaw Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] List of recent publications LACRALO [[- Translated text (in -> en) -]] Subject: Re: List of recent publications LACRALO From: carlton.samuels @ gmail.com Tch. Aquestun perfect example of a confusing civility as a weakness. I have outsourced my judgment. The denunciation of the President of the ALAC and its preferred response is regrettable. Disturbing as it is on a personal level, I do not harpblica ms comments on their mritos, except to say that by his own hand, the President has run the risk of losing the moral authority to provide positive and constructive input as regard to our current situation. Aquhay something I want to know. He says, as if surprised, I am smart is not a compliment for me. Intelligence is a default attribute under the family and an education liberal, expensive and deep. Moreover, after you have spent a heap of life in the north, I am familiar with the codes of conversation. And all the nuances of their meanings. Aquhay ensehace me something father MS.MI long estpidiendo you turn the other cheek in the face of a serious assault in ses an assault on the top that the battery. To the person giving that advice has a desire to mtbNL> <tbSP 0> spitting teeth! The appropriate response to this assault ms Also it was reported. Roosevelt King is certainly able to look smismo. In my case, was defamed and smeared my reputation. The events provide an absolute defense. I've noticed that hartbNL> <tbSP 0> expose the stupidity, responding to the list. Enough time has passed for stakeholders \\ u200b \\ u200ba informed and, at least publicly accept the mistake. I have a life and living out of this business of ICANN. My life is mainly of works of knowledge. My reputation is part of the value those proposed to become customers. Therefore, it should be easy to follow how important it is for my existence. In view of recent comments and claims, and insist we reserve the right to protect our livelihood and respond in a moment of our choosing. - Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Samuels A Mobile: 876-818-1799 * Strategy, Planning, Government, Evaluation and deadlines * ============================= The sea, May 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> wrote: > This is the English Version. Spanish Version will be sent to the Spanish > language list. > > Dear All, > > I have received complaints from members of the region about several > recent postings on the LACRALO lists. Those postings relate to ongoing > disagreements between several individuals relating their point of view > regarding the running of LACRALO. > > I am concerned about those postings because they do not appear to be of > help towards improving Internet user input in LACRALO and in ALAC. Quite > the contrary, they re-iterate established positions from several > individuals and end up turning other volunteers off from being involved. > > The time spent discussing these issues on the list ends up taking > precedence over the time that members from the region could devote to > more productive tasks such as commenting on Current Comment periods and > other activities which were advertised on the ALAC-Announce list. > > Some of the postings contravene parts of Rule 22 of our ALAC Rules of > Procedure. They are inappropriate according to: > > 22.9 Unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject, > 22.10 Postings libelous being used to abuse, harass, stalk, or threaten > others, > 22.11 Postings that are, knowingly false, ad-hominem, or misrepresents > another person, > > I am not going to stand accused of taking sides, nor will I contravene > the very rules I have quoted here by pointing the finger at anyone. > However, I will kindly ask you all, Ladies and Gentlemen, that you > please moderate your language. > > We are working with ICANN staff and LACRALO leadership in order to > continue on a dialog to improve relations, by making use of the > neutrality and fairness of the ICANN Ombudsman who can act as a > mediator. This mediation takes place out of this forum and has no place > on public mailing lists. > > An excellent amount of work has taken place in Costa Rica and the region > should be looking at building on this. Like every region, this takes a > lot of time and effort. We, the At-Large community and ICANN as a whole, > have some serious challenges coming up in the form of a threat to the > multi-stakeholder system. We clearly have to work smarter with each other. > > Yours sincerely, > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > ALAC Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/02a318b962.html --]]

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Recent LACRALO List postings
by Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond May 30, 2012

May 30, 2012

This is the English Version. Spanish Version will be sent to the Spanish language list. Dear All, I have received complaints from members of the region about several recent postings on the LACRALO lists. Those postings relate to ongoing disagreements between several individuals relating their point of view regarding the running of LACRALO. I am concerned about those postings because they do not appear to be of help towards improving Internet user input in LACRALO and in ALAC. Quite the contrary, they re-iterate established positions from several individuals and end up turning other volunteers off from being involved. The time spent discussing these issues on the list ends up taking precedence over the time that members from the region could devote to more productive tasks such as commenting on Current Comment periods and other activities which were advertised on the ALAC-Announce list. Some of the postings contravene parts of Rule 22 of our ALAC Rules of Procedure. They are inappropriate according to: 22.9 Unprofessional commentary, regardless of the general subject, 22.10 Postings libelous being used to abuse, harass, stalk, or threaten others, 22.11 Postings that are, knowingly false, ad-hominem, or misrepresents another person, I am not going to stand accused of taking sides, nor will I contravene the very rules I have quoted here by pointing the finger at anyone. However, I will kindly ask you all, Ladies and Gentlemen, that you please moderate your language. We are working with ICANN staff and LACRALO leadership in order to continue on a dialog to improve relations, by making use of the neutrality and fairness of the ICANN Ombudsman who can act as a mediator. This mediation takes place out of this forum and has no place on public mailing lists. An excellent amount of work has taken place in Costa Rica and the region should be looking at building on this. Like every region, this takes a lot of time and effort. We, the At-Large community and ICANN as a whole, have some serious challenges coming up in the form of a threat to the multi-stakeholder system. We clearly have to work smarter with each other. Yours sincerely, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Recent publications LACRALO List
by ocl＠gih.com May 30, 2012

May 30, 2012

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Recent publications LACRALO List From: ocl(a)gih.com Re-posted due to technicians. -------- Original Message -------- Sujet: Recent publications LACRALO List Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:35:49 +0200 From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> Pour: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org This is the version in Spanish. Serenviado Ingls version to the list English. Dear all, I have received complaints from members of the Regina near several Recent comments on the mailing lists LACRALO. Those comments relate to ongoing disagreements between various individuals who have expressed their views in relation to gestin LACRALO. I'm worried about those comments because they do not appear cooperate with the improvement of the participation of Internet users in LACRALO and the ALAC.On the contrary, they reiterate the positions established from various individuals and finally have the effect of discourage other individuals who would engage in LACRALO. The time spent discussing these issues on the list ends up taking primaca about time that members of the region could lead to more productive work such as commenting on comment periods current or other activities that are published in the list of ALAC-Announce. Some of the comments contravene parts of Rule 22 of our Rules of Procedure of the ALAC. They are inappropriate pursuant to the provisions of the rule: 22.9 Comments amateurs, without relationship to the subject in general, 22.10 defamatory comments being used to abuse, attack, pursue or threaten others, 22.11 Comments that are knowingly false, ad-hominem, or errneamente represent another person, I will not take any position, nor contravendrlas same rules I sealado here, nor sealarcon finger at anyone. However, they pediramablemente all, ladies and gentlemen, please moderate their language. We are working with ICANN staff and leaders to LACRALO continue a dialogue to improve relations, using the neutrality and fairness of the ICANN Ombudsman who can act as mediator. This occurs in this frum Mediation and not on the list mailing public. A great deal of work has occurred in Costa Rica, the region should focus on building on this. Since each region, this takes time and effort. We, the community and ICANN At-Large as a whole, we have serious challenges they come in the form of threat the multi-stakeholder system. We clearly have to work more intelligently with each other. Sincerely, Olivier MJ Crpin-Leblond ALAC Chair _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8068b2d138.html --]]

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Tentative dates for the Application Comment Period is 13 June 2012 - 12 August 2012
by Dev Anand Teelucksingh May 30, 2012

May 30, 2012

Via http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-29may12-en.htm : "ICANN has established the following target dates for the New Generic Top-level Domain program. 30 May 2012 Application window closes 8 June 2012 Batching process begins 13 June 2012 Announcement of applied-for domain names ("Reveal Day") Application comment period begins Formal objection period begins 24-29 June 2012 ICANN's 44th Public Meeting; Prague, Czech Republic 28 June 2012 Batching process ends 11 July 2012 Batching results announced 12 July 2012 Initial evaluations begin 12 August 2012 Application comment period ends" Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh

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Fwd: ICANN News Alert -- Notice of Extension of ICANN Comment Period: ICANN Draft FY13 Operating Plan and Budget
by Jacqueline Morris May 29, 2012

May 29, 2012

FYI In case LACRALO would like to comment. There has been some discussion by other RALOs about the value of ICANN At-Large engaging with the IGF processes (There is proposed funding for both AFRALO and APRALO to present workshops at the IGF in Baku) For those who are involved in both ICANN and IGF, any thoughts as to the value of such interaction? Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ICANN News Alert <communications(a)icann.org> Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM Subject: ICANN News Alert -- Notice of Extension of ICANN Comment Period: ICANN Draft FY13 Operating Plan and Budget To: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com ** [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-29may12-en.htm ------------------------------ Notice of Extension of ICANN Comment Period: ICANN Draft FY13 Operating Plan and Budget 29 May 2012 - Français<http://www.icann.org/fr/news/announcements/announcement-01may12-fr.htm> - Español<http://www.icann.org/es/news/announcements/announcement-01may12-es.htm> - Русский<http://www.icann.org/ru/news/announcements/announcement-01may12-ru.htm> - 简体中文<http://www.icann.org/zh/news/announcements/announcement-01may12-zh.htm> - العربية<http://www.icann.org/ar/news/announcements/announcement-01may12-ar.htm> http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/op-budget-fy13-01may12-en.htm In response to comments made by community members regarding time required to complete quantitative comments on the at the ICANN draft FY13 Operating Plan and Budget, ICANN has extended this public comment period until 8 June 2012, with the reply period closing on June 15th 2012. This message was sent to jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com from: ICANN | 4676 Admiralty Way Suite 330 | Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601 Email Marketing by [image: iContact - Try It Free!]<http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> Manage Your Subscription <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=9826938&l=6333&s=BJYE&m=883…>

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by vanda＠uol.com.br May 28, 2012

May 28, 2012

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? RES = 3A_ = BFQui = E9n_controla_el_mun? == Iso-8859-1? Q? Do_Wide_Web = 3F? = From: vanda(a)uol.com.br I I've read and followed the discussions em the list of governance that I believe some colleagues also are part. times shall be made of the upcoming challenge will for all who believe in freedom for the Internet. Governments ESTN avid to take control and do not prove anything good for the users. ----- Mensagem Original ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Posted in: second-feira, 28 mai 2012 9:16 To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: Who controls the World Wide Web? [[- Translated text (in -> en) -]] Subject: Re: Who controls the World Wide Web? From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com For your information Jacqueline A.Morris The technology should be like oxygen: ubiquitous, necessary, invisible and Free. (After Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) An article in subsequent reunin CSTD hindayer ... is concerned, GurtbNL> <tbSP 0> ps - just for the information, the circulation of 2.1 hindtiene a million, more than double that of The New York Times .... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_circulation) http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/internet/article3459842.ece Quin controls the World Wide Web? Deepa Kurup BANGALORE, May 27, 2012 Earlier this week at the United Nations Commission on Science and Technology for Development, held in Geneva, India reitersu proposal to create an Internet related policy Comitde (CIRP). This proposal, supported by many others in the global south, aims to democratizacin of And critical Internet resources currently controlled by ESTN USA, big business and powerful nations in various forums governance. The proposed CIRP seruna multilateral institution, where governments sit together and decide on the policies of the Internet, treaties and standards. Not surprisingly, many have interpreted this as a step to greater government control of the web (read more strict censorship), astbNL> as others have praised as a progressive step towards greater democratization of the Internet.This debate is technical-political bitterness polarized, with experts and stakeholders, often backed by powerful pressure groups, arguing for the status quo with US-based non- profit organization ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) the last word, insisting that critical Internet resources can not be controlled effectively by a bureaucratic body like the UN or governments that lack the knowledge to keep pace with rapid technological challenges. Amid speculation that India could turn its previous proposal, in Geneva, representatives of India came forward and urged more cooperation "for governments equal to carry out its roles and responsibilities concerning the Internet, and promoting development agenda for the Web. The U.S., and most corporate lobbyists (big Internet companies to be based in the U.S. or operating in other developed countries) have argued for retention the current structure, where ICANN (which already has a board of government with government) maintains control over Internet technologies. They argue that although jurisdictionally in U.S., ICANN is more likely to maintain the democratic structure and free Internet. They argue that governments in general are more likely that stifle free speech and, by extension, the U.S. are likely to maintain commitments to freedom of expression on the web. However, recent developments, such as restrictions on the Wikileaks (Web companies pay cut routes and services to the site claimant, reportedly at the request of the Government) and, recently, projects law proposed, such as Stop online piracy Act (IAD) and the Law on Protection of IP (PIPA), which handled the domain name system (DNS) to enforce intellectual Property laws scoff at these claims. Technology debate There are two sides in this debate: one that simply refers to the techno-political aspect of Internet control, and the other concerned with social policy debates and policy. In purely technological terms, the debate revolved around the root name servers or DNS the Internet Domain Name System, which is the column backbone of the communication the Web. DNS is a database used by Internet applications to assign or translating Web URLs (eg www.thehindu.com) to a unique IP address. All generic names and IP addresses of all domains upper level (by mapping) are stored in what is called a file raíz.Tan area when you type a URL in the address bar browser, a query is sent to the DNS (often through server provider Internet services, often stores this information so that consultations are not to be sent all once), which translates into the numeric IP address. Although, as users, this saves us the trouble of having to remember numbers and codes, greater profits, of course, have to do with the fact that can access any site from anywhere. In fact, there is some confusion about what these servers, and extension control technology, it is. At the core of the DNS system are 13 root servers controlled by 12 different organizations and entities private or operators. Many hundreds of root servers in more than 130 physical places in many different countries, says an official blog of the ICANN bust myths about how the U.S. controls the Internet through the root 13 servers. Sometimes a server is in over 25 countries, said. However, what really matters here is who controls the file root zone.This file contains the domain names and IP addresses that allow the procesos.El query-mapping root zone file, and access or authority to editing, is what is crucial in this debate because finally architecture DNS system, and the essence of the Internet depends on how this file is managed. Therefore, a domain is valid only if this archive. As For now, the root zone file is controlled by ICANN. Why not ICANN? But why is problematic that the authority to handle this file is with a body like ICANN? ICANN continues to be a non profit in the U.S., which is subject to the decisions and laws made by the U.S. government. For example, under the pretext of implementing a system of intellectual property, U.S.can enforce changes in the DNS system, as proposed in the soup legislation, which retracted after Internet companies technology and activists lobbied against it, earlier this year. So what's the solution? No wonder that the proposed India's United Nations, for pure government control, is perceived as problems, taking into account recent announcements by Indian politicians expressing desire regulate media or pre-screen that appears Web.En in effect, governments around the world, we now and then tried to curb Internet. Tech commentators have argued that, under U.S. control indirect, ICANN in recent years has limited its mandate to the technical domains, and can be a better alternative to a UN agency.But then, how Where does the developing world point of view of the world to fit in? In general, it is legitimate to say that have control in the country's powerful Internet is illegitimate. The United Nations bodies have a better record as to the methods democratic go, where countries can sit together and vote. That's why the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa), countries are pushing for more equal control of the Internet as a global resource, says Senthil S, member Free Software Movement in India. However, the UN will to ensure that promotes a body without censorship, to Internet governance can be more democratic. Commenting on this debate, Parminder Jeet Singh, CEO of NGO based in Bangalore, IT for Change, aims to draw the line divide between questions technical management or management and other cultural, social and political aspects of Internet governance. While Internet governance albiet technique is dominated by large business - is in fact a highly distributed and open issues related large public policies on social, economic, cultural and political things are much more important and are neglected in this debate, Mr. Singh He said. He also commented on how Internet companies are increasingly more monopoly decide policy issues, and wondered why organisms as the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and the Council of Europe make policy without consulting the developing countries. - [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/5b34b0052e.html --]]

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Fwd: Who controls the World Wide Web?
by Jacqueline Morris May 28, 2012

May 28, 2012

FYI Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) A post CSTD meeting article in the Hindu, yesterday... regards, Guru ps - just for information, The Hindu has a circulation of 2.1 million, more than double of that of NYT .... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_circulation) http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/internet/article3459842.ece Who controls the World Wide Web? Deepa Kurup BANGALORE, May 27, 2012 Earlier this week, at the United Nations Commission on Science and Technology for Development, held in Geneva, India reiterated its proposal to create a Committee on Internet-related Policies (CIRP). This proposal, backed by many others in the global south, aims at democratising the Internet and critical resources that are currently controlled by the U.S., big businesses and powerful nations in various other governance forums. The proposed CIRP will be a multilateral institution, where governments will sit together and take decisions on internet policies, treaties and standards. Not surprisingly, many have interpreted this as a move towards greater governmental control of the Web (read tighter censorship), even as others have lauded this as a progressive step towards greater democratisation of the internet. This techno-political debate is bitterly polarised, with experts and stakeholders, often backed by powerful lobbies, arguing for status quo with the U.S.-based non-profit ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) calling the shots, insisting that critical Internet resources cannot be controlled efficiently by a bureaucratic body like the UN,or governments that lack the expertise to keep pace with rapid technological challenges. Amidst speculation that India might roll back its earlier proposal, in Geneva, Indian representatives went ahead and called for ‘enhanced cooperation' to enable governments on an equal footing to carry out their roles and responsibilities pertaining to the Internet, and promote a “developmental agenda” for the Web. The U.S., and corporate lobbies (most big Internet firms being U.S.-based or operating out of other developed countries) have argued for retaining the current structure, where ICANN (which already has a governing council with government representatives) retains control over Internet technologies. They argue that though jurisdictionally under the U.S., the ICANN is more likely to retain the democratic and free structure of the Internet. They argue that governments, in general, are more likely to stifle free speech, and by extension, that the US is more likely to uphold commitments to free speech on the web. However, recent events such as the clamp-down on Wikileaks (where web companies cut off payment pathways and services to the whistleblower site, reportedly upon government request) and recently proposed Bills such as the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) — which manipulate the domain name system (DNS) infrastructure to enforce Intellectual Property laws — make a mockery of these claims. Technological debate There are two sides to this debate: one that purely deals with the techno-political aspect of the control of the Internet, and the other that deals with social and political policy debates. In purely technological terms, this debate revolved around the DNS root name servers or the Internet Domain Name System, which forms the backbone of communication on the Web. The DNS is a large database used by Internet applications to map or translate Web URLs (for instance, www.thehindu.com) to a unique IP address. All the generic names and the IP addresses for all top level domains (for the purpose of mapping) are stored in what is called a root zone file. So when you type in a URL address in your browser's address bar, a query is sent to the DNS (often through your Internet service provider's servers, which often caches this information so queries don't have to be sent every single time) which translates it into the numeric IP address. While, as users, this saves us the trouble of remembering numbers and codes, the larger benefits of course have to do with the fact that you can access any site from anywhere. Indeed, there is some obfuscation on what these servers, and by extension technological control, are all about. At the core of the DNS system are 13 root servers controlled by 12 separate organisations and private entities, or operators. There are many hundreds of root servers at over 130 physical locations in many different countries, says an official ICANN blog that seeks to bust myths on how the U.S. controls the Internet through 13 root servers. Sometimes, one server is located in over 25 countries, it clarified. However, what really matters here is who controls the root zone file. This file contains the domain names and IP addresses that enable the querying-mapping process. The root zone file, and access or authority to edit it, is what is crucial in this debate because finally the architecture of the DNS system, and in essence the Internet, is dependent on how this file is handled. So, a domain is valid only if it is there on this file. As of now, this root zone file is controlled by the ICANN. Why not ICANN? But why is it problematic that the authority to manipulate this file lies with a body like the ICANN? ICANN continues to be a non-profit registered in the U.S., one that is subject to decisions and laws made by the U.S. government. For instance, under the pretext of enforcing an IP regime, the U.S. can enforce alterations to the DNS system, as was proposed in the SOPA legislation, which was retracted after web companies and tech activists lobbied against it, earlier this year. So what is the solution? It is not surprising that India's proposal to the UN, for pure governmental control, is being perceived as problematic, given recent announcements by Indian politicians expressing the desire to “regulate” social media or “pre-screen what appears on the Web. Indeed, governments across the world, have now and then, sought to clamp down on the Internet. Tech commentators have also argued that under indirect US control, ICANN has in recent years restricted its mandate to technical domains, and may be a better alternative than a UN body. But then where does the developing world's point of view fit in? “By and large, it is legitimate to say that to have one powerful country control the Internet is illegitimate. The UN bodies have a better track record as far as democratic methods go, where countries can sit together and vote. Which is why the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) countries are pushing for more equal control of the Internet as it is a global resource,” says Senthil S, member of the Free Software Movement of India. However, the UN will have to ensure that it promotes a body without censorship so that internet governance can be more democratic. Commenting on this debate, Parminder Jeet Singh, executive director of Bangalore-based NGO, IT for Change, seeks to draw the line between issues of technical governance or management and other cultural, social and political aspects of Internet governance. While the Internet's technical governance — albiet being dominated by big business - is indeed a very distributed and open system, issues related to larger public policies concerning social, economic, cultural and political matters are much more important and are neglected in this debate, Mr. Singh said. He also commented on how Internet monopoly companies are increasingly deciding policy matters, and questioned why bodies such as the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, and the Council of Europe should make policies without consulting developing countries. --

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Recognition for the work of LACRALO Working Groups
by Carlton Samuels May 28, 2012

May 28, 2012

Dear LACRALO Secretariat: You have posted to the list, an account of the members of LACRALO Working Groups recently established. We are told that quite a lot of ICANN policy work is being done by ALS members who are not the official representatives of their ALS. I am resolved we should not let them labour in the shadows but that they are recognized. We are anxious that the rest of us in LACRALO and all of At-Large should know how our 40 accredited ALS - with 2 pending - are engaged. I am now requesting additional information on their activity on our behalf be posted. It is also very important for the worldwide At-Large constituency to know the affiliations of these dedicated persons and perhaps, to share experiences. For the complete record, please identify and in addition to their names, record the ALS for each member. In addition, please publish the roll call data for each of these working groups. Kindest regard, - Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] RES: Toda América Latina
by Omar Kaminski May 27, 2012

May 27, 2012

Dear friens in LA, BTW it's still ironic that the bigger country in dimension and population (#fact) has so few ALS representatives and no translation to pt-br for most of ICANN documents and annoucements and researchs and lists and... How to measure the relevance on inclusiveness? Do we need more brazilian ALS, more interested people (or people of interest) formally speaking? Or to speak english or spanish is kind of requirement to understand the e-gov model proposed by ICANN? Omar 2012/5/27 Vanda UOL <vanda(a)uol.com.br> > Unreadeble the spanish translation.... > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de > devtee(a)gmail.com > Enviada em: sexta-feira, 25 de maio de 2012 20:44 > Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Assunto: Re: Toda América Latina > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: Re: Toda América Latina > De: devtee(a)gmail.com > > Queridos todos, > > > Piense en este mensaje no ha llegado a la lista de ES, por lo que re-envío > de nuevo "Tal cual" con la esperanza de que se verá en la lista > de ES > - Dev Anand > > > > > ---------- Mensaje reenviado ---------- > De: <admin at bango.org.bb> > Fecha: Vie, 25 de mayo de 2012 18:31 > Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Todos los de América Latina > Para: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > Hola a todos los miembros, > > > Se ha convertido en difícil no darse cuenta de lo que podría llamarse una > demostración de la América Músculo americano. En primer lugar un intento > de > ignorar el hecho de que el Inglés es el lengua oficial y estoy viendo las > declaraciones de los grupos de trabajo que un la decisión debe ser hecha > sobre el idioma que el grupo iba a funcionar pulg Si el lengua oficial de > la ICANN es el Inglés, es importante que el Inglés se utiliza y no una > mezcla de palabras en alemán, español, francés o de otra manera tienen > diferentes significados y connotaciones en diferentes idiomas.Esto es > importante así como a ser constante. No importa el idioma, lo que > lenguaje > se utiliza, no debe ser comprometida. No puede haber comprensión algo tan > Inglés y luego permite que alguien más la comprensión de un manera > diferente debido a las diferencias de idioma o de interpretación. > > > Por ejemplo, estoy escuchando referencia al Presidente, como Presidente, > en > el que Se dice que la traducción al español para "el Presidente" > es "el Presidente". > En Inglés, existe una clara distinción entre un Presidente y un > Presidente, > asÃ como hay una diferencia entre "soberano" y el "mÃ¡s > alto > de toma de Ã³rgano "de una organizaciÃ³n. El mÃ¡s alto Ã³rgano de > decisiÃ³n en cualquier la organizaciÃ³n tambiÃ©n estÃ¡ sujeto a reglas. Ni > siquiera puede romper sus propias reglas y como una cuestiÃ³n de hecho, > serÃ¡ juzgado por lo bien que ha sido capaz de observar sus propias > reglas. > > > > En primer lugar, cuando miro a las reglas de la LACRALO, el Presidente es > errÃ³nea conocido como el Presidente. AquÃ es donde la corrupciÃ³n de la > palabra Presidente comienza cuando se mueve desde El Presidente de la > presidente, al presidente. > Luego, al asumir el cargo, el presidente comienza a actuar como Ã©l es un > presidente, pero cuando nos fijamos en el ROP, el papel del presidente no > es claramente una un ejecutivo, pero el papel, una tarea a realizar. > > > En segundo lugar, el soberano palabra no tiene cabida en el proceso > democrÃ¡tico. Democracia No se trata de la soberanÃa sino mÃ¡s bien de > cooperaciÃ³n, el diÃ¡logo, colaboraciÃ³n, las consultas y el consenso. La > soberanÃa tiene la connotaciÃ³n arbitraria regla, una regla absoluta, un > derecho divino para gobernar, etc, mientras que, la democracia es sobre el > estado de las personas y completamente contrarias a las creencias mÃ¡s > populares, no acerca de la regla de la mayorÃa tampoco. Se trata de la > regla de la gente. > > > En cualquier sociedad, hay muchas personas diferentes. Las personas no > suelen ser de una sola mente. Ellos tienen intereses diversos y por lo > tanto tienen que unirse, consulta, el diÃ¡logo y seguir trabajando con > otros para el beneficio de todos. En cualquier democracia, especialmente > las minorÃas deben tener una voz y se lo parece que la LEA, a pesar de > que > ellos estÃ¡n diciendo la democracia, obviamente no lo hacen entender lo > que > significa la palabra.Esto fue demostrado por JosÃ© de Presidente del la > Asamblea General en uno de los muchos incidentes, cuando se negÃ³ preguntas > sobre una mociÃ³n y declarÃ³ que la votaciÃ³n sÃ³lo se llevarÃ¡ a cabo. A > continuaciÃ³n, despuÃ©s de la votaciÃ³n, alguien procediÃ³ a pedir > aclaraciones sobre lo que era justo votado. Que en en sÃ es una locura y, > ciertamente, una falta de aprecio por democrÃ¡tica procedimiento, ya que > despuÃ©s de votar, nadie debe pedir aclaraciones. > Todo el mundo deberÃa tener claro lo que estÃ¡n votando antes de la > votaciÃ³n. > > > Por lo tanto, no son compatibles con su elecciÃ³n como Presidente de > LACRALO y dada la comportamiento dictatorial de la SecretarÃa, pongo en > duda su conocimiento de la democracia. Si bien a estas personas como > personalidades son muy hospitalarios y amistoso, esta carrera de politizar > LACRALO no es bienvenida. > > > Como una persona que estÃ¡ acostumbrada a los procedimientos democrÃ¡ticos > y el proceso (que es mi la vida diaria), que estÃ¡ por debajo de mi > dignidad para participar en cualquier organizaciÃ³n donde los elegidos > creen que tienen el gobierno autocrÃ¡tico y simple democrÃ¡tica reglas de > procedimientos son desconocidos. No estamos acostumbrados a esto.Nosotros > no > somos acostumbrado a las personas que tratan de hacerse valer para tomar > decisiones que que afectan a los demÃ¡s y confiar en su autoridad a las > normas burlan y hacen lo que gusta. > > > Estos asuntos son demasiado elemental y no tengo ninguna intenciÃ³n de > participar en las reuniones donde la gente no se respetan y se espera que > hagan lo que ellos se les dice. SalÃ de mi infancia mÃ¡s que hace 40 > aÃ±os, para no volver jamÃ¡s. > Por lo tanto mi participaciÃ³n en LACRALO serÃ¡ mÃnimo si los hubiere. No > puedo tomar el infantilismo asociado a la politizaciÃ³n de la LACRALO. > > > Finalmente, en la misma forma que los coeficientes de los paÃses se han > aplicado a asegurarse de que cada paÃs tiene un solo voto, es de la misma > manera que Los Angeles debe No sostenga a todos los oficiales electos. Se > trata de AL & C. En este momento es sÃ³lo de Los Ã ngeles. > El C estÃ¡ desaparecido y estoy entre los muchos C. de mis colegas han > tomado la misma posiciÃ³n incluyendo aquellos que fueron a CR y por lo > tanto, cuando el despuÃ©s de CR debe ser una mayor participaciÃ³n, ni > siquiera somos capaces de lograr esta propuesta. > > > Por lo tanto, oponerse a esta politizaciÃ³n de la LACRALO y dar aviso de > que no participar no es por falta de interÃ©s, pero en protesta por la > politizaciÃ³n.Voy a sentarme junto a ti en una fiesta, me sentarÃ© a > charlar, pero no en las reuniones de LACRALO hasta los encargados de su > gestiÃ³n comprender cÃ³mo para gestionar de una manera democrÃ¡tica. > > > > > Corea del Sur > Roosevelt O. King > Secretario General de la > Barbados, la AsociaciÃ³n de Organizaciones No Gubernamentales # 10 > Garrison, San Miguel Barbados > Tel: 247-822-7707 / 254-5815 > e-mail: admin en bango.org.bb > Red: http://bangoonline.igloocommunities.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > [[--Original text (en) > http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/572fd33ac5.html > --]] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org >

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] (no subject)
by carlos dionisio aguirre May 27, 2012

May 27, 2012

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RES = 3A_Toda_Am = E9rica_Latina? = From: vanda(a)uol.com.br Unreadeble the spanish translation .... ----- Mensagem Original ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome devtee(a)gmail.com Posted in: Sexta-Feira, 25 mai 2012 20:44 To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: All America Latina [[- Translated text (in -> en) -]] Subject: Re: All America Latina From: devtee(a)gmail.com Dear All, Think of this message has not reached the list of ES, so re-Envo back "as is" with the hope that the list veren ES - Dev Anand ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <admin at bango.org.bb> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:31 Subject: [lac-discuss-en] all of Latin America To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Hello to all members, It has become difficult not to notice what may be called a demonstration of American Msculo America. First an attempt to ignore the fact that the official language is English Course and I am seeing statements of the working groups a the decision must be made on the language that the group would work in. If the official language ICANN is Ingls, it is important that the Ingls is used and not a mixture of words in German, Spanish, French or otherwise have different meanings and connotations in different idiomas.Esto is ascomo important to be consistent. No matter the language, what language is used, should not be compromised.There can be something as comprehension Inglsy then let someone more the comprehension of a way different due to differences of language or interpretation. For example, I'm listening reference to the President, as President, which is said Trasnlation into Spanish for "the President" is "the President". In English, there is a clear distinction between a President and a President, and there is a difference between "sovereign" and "higher making organ "of an organization. The highest organ of decision in any organization is also subject to rules. Or can even break their own rules and as a matter of fact, will be judged by how well it has been able to observe its own rules. First, when I look at the rules of LACRALO, the President is erroneously known as the President. This is where the corruption of the President begins term as it moves from the President of the president, the president. Then, upon taking office, President begins to act like he is a president, but when you look at the ROP, the president's role is clearly an executive, but the role, a task to perform. Second, the sovereign word has no place in the process democratic. Democracy is not about sovereignty but rather cooperation, dialogue, collaboration, consultation and consensus. The sovereignty connotes arbitrary rule, an absolute rule, a divine right to rule, etc., while democracy is on the status of people and completely contrary to the beliefs popular, not about majority rule either. This is the rule of the people. In any society, there are many different people. People do not tend to be of one mind. They have diverse interests and at both have to come together, consultation, dialogue and continue working with others for the benefit of all.In any democracy, especially minorities should have a voice and it seems that the LEA, although they are saying democracy obviously do not understand what palabra.Esto means was demonstrated by the President of the Joseph General Assembly in one of many incidents when he refused questions on a motion and stated that the vote will take place only. A then after the vote, someone proceeded to ask clarification on what was just voted. That in itself is crazy and, certainly a lack of appreciation for democratic procedure, since After voting, no one should ask for clarification. Everyone should be clear about what they are voting before vote. Therefore, do not support his election as President of LACRALO and given the dictatorial behavior of the Secretariat, I lay in doubt their knowledge of democracy. While these people as personalities are very hospitable and friendly, this race to politicize LACRALO unwelcome. As a person who is accustomed to democratic procedures and process (which is my daily life), which is below my dignity to participate in any organization where elected believe they have a single autocratic and democratic rules procedures are unknown. We're not used to not esto.Nosotros We are accustomed to people trying to make enforceable decisions that affect others and rely on its authority to tease rules and do what they like. These issues are too simple and I have no intention of participate in meetings where people are not respected and is expected to do what they are told. I left my childhood more than for 40 years, never to return. So my participation in LACRALO will be minimal if any. Not I can take the infantilism associated with the politicization of LACRALO. Finally, in the same way as the coefficients of the countries have applied to ensure that each country has one vote, is the same so that Los Angeles should not hold all elected officials. It This LA & C. It is now only in Los Angeles. The C is missing and I am among the many C. of my colleagues have taken the same position including those who were in CR and at Therefore, when the after CR should be greater participation, or we can achieve even this proposal. Therefore, oppose this politicization of LACRALO and give notice of not participate is not for lack of interest, but to protest the politizaciÃ³n.Voy to sit with you at a party, sit down to talk, but not in the meetings of LACRALO to those charged with their management understand how to manage in a democratic manner. South Korea Roosevelt O.King Secretary General of the Barbados, the Association of Non Governmental # 10 Garrison, St. Michael Barbados Tel: 247-822-7707 / 254-5815 e-mail: admin in bango.org.bb Network: http://bangoonline.igloocommunities.com _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/faf6d19722.html --]]

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