January 2013 - lac-discuss-en

Re: [lac-discuss-en] ENC: 2013 NomCom Mag Vote Results
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Jan. 21, 2013

Jan. 21, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ENC: 2013 NomCom Mag Vote Results From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Congrats to Fatima and Baudouin. Best, - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 * Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround * ============================= Vanda 2013/1/21 UOL <vanda(a)uol.com.br> > Para que todos congratulémonos com Fatima por su conquista! Ver abajo. > To all to have a chance to congratulate Fatima for this achievement! See > below! > > Abrazos , best, > > Vanda Scartezini > Polo Consultores Associados > IT Trend > Avenida Paulista 1159 cj 1004 > 01311-200 São Paulo,SP, Brasil > Tel + 5511 3266.6253 > Mob + 5511 98181.1464 > > > > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: governance-request(a)lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] Em nome de Suresh > Ramasubramanian > Enviada em: segunda-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2013 02:33 > Para: governance(a)lists.igcaucus.org; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Assunto: Re: [governance] 2013 Mag NomCom Vote Results > > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [21/01/13 16:10 +1200]: > > - Fatima Cambronero > > - Robert Guerra > > - Michael Gurstein > > - Brenden Kuerbis > > - Jeremy Malcolm > > - Tim McGinnis > > - Baudouin Schombe > > Congratulations to all, and to the nomcom > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/77fad3205c.html --]]

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ENC: [governance] 2013 Mag NomCom Vote Results
by Vanda UOL Jan. 21, 2013

Jan. 21, 2013

Para que todos congratulémonos com Fatima por su conquista! Ver abajo. To all to have a chance to congratulate Fatima for this achievement! See below! Abrazos , best, Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados IT Trend Avenida Paulista 1159 cj 1004 01311-200 São Paulo,SP, Brasil Tel + 5511 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 98181.1464 -----Mensagem original----- De: governance-request(a)lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] Em nome de Suresh Ramasubramanian Enviada em: segunda-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2013 02:33 Para: governance(a)lists.igcaucus.org; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Assunto: Re: [governance] 2013 Mag NomCom Vote Results Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [21/01/13 16:10 +1200]: > - Fatima Cambronero > - Robert Guerra > - Michael Gurstein > - Brenden Kuerbis > - Jeremy Malcolm > - Tim McGinnis > - Baudouin Schombe Congratulations to all, and to the nomcom

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ENC: 2013 NomCom Mag Vote Results
by vanda＠uol.com.br Jan. 21, 2013

Jan. 21, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: ENC: 2013 NomCom Mag Vote Results From: vanda(a)uol.com.br Com For all congratulmonos Fatima by his conquest! See below. To all to have a chance to congratulate Fatima for this achievement! See below! Hugs, best, Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados IT Trend 1004 Avenida Paulista 1159 cj 01311-200 São Paulo, SP, Brazil Tel + 5511 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 98181.1464 ----- Mensagem Original ----- From: governance-request(a)lists.igcaucus.org [Mailto: governance-request(a)lists.igcaucus.org] Em nome of Suresh Ramasubramanian Submitted in: second-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2013 2:33 To: governance(a)lists.igcaucus.org; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Assunto: Re: [governance] NomCom Mag 2013 Vote Results Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [21/01/13 16:10 +1200]: > - Fatima Cambronero > - Robert Guerra > - Michael Gurstein > - Brenden Kuerbis > - Jeremy Malcolm > - Tim McGinnis > - Baudouin Schombe [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/0eeb34067e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ENC: 2013 NomCom Mag Vote Results
by natalia.enciso＠gmail.com Jan. 21, 2013

Jan. 21, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ENC: 2013 NomCom Mag Vote Results From: natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com Congratulations Fátima. I'm sure cumplirs dejars excellent paper and always up to the region. Natalia Sent from my iPhone On 01.21.2013, at 19:20, vanda(a)uol.com.br wrote: > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: ENC: 2013 Mag Votar Resultados NomCom > De: vanda(a)uol.com.br > > Para Que Todos congratulmonos com Fátima Por Su conquista! Ver abajo. > Para que todos tengan la oportunidad de felicitar a Fátima por este logro! Ver > abajo! > > > Abrazos, el mejor, > > > Vanda Scartezini > Polo Consultores Associados > Tendencia IT > Avenida Paulista 1159 cj 1004 > 01311-200 São Paulo, SP, Brasil > Tel. + 5511 3266.6253 > Mob + 5511 98181.1464 > > > > > > > > ----- Mensagem original ----- > De: governance-request(a)lists.igcaucus.org > [Mailto: governance-request(a)lists.igcaucus.org] Em nome de Suresh > Ramasubramanian > Enviada em: Segunda-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2013 02:33 > Para: governance(a)lists.igcaucus.org; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Assunto: Re: [gobierno] 2013 Mag NomCom Votar Ver resultados > > > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [21/01/13 16:10 1200]: >> - Fatima Cambronero >> - Robert Guerra >> - Michael Gurstein >> - Brenden Kuerbis >> - Jeremy Malcolm >> - Tim McGinnis >> - Baudouin Schombe > > > > > > > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3383a0f6df.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] [At-Large] FW: Withdraw the gun database
by Carlton Samuels Jan. 21, 2013

Jan. 21, 2013

Actually Holly, I didn't plan further interventions in this thread - happily so! - since the debate was going along swimmingly on all fronts. But I have to take issue with your input on the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment debate has always been careful to exclude the historical context, if only because it ain't pretty. As is usual with claims to greater moral standing, the facts are more nuanced than the popular hagiography is selling and would have you believe. The scholarship is replete. When you look at the several drafts by Madison, it centred around two words "nation" vs. "state" and the notion of a "militia" vs "slave patrols". Ask yourself, why would men subject themselves to such ignominy? The fact is they rebelled many times, burned, killed and murdered in favour of their freedom. The militia or, if you like, slave patrols, were legal instruments of terror and containment all over the South. These were the 'well regulated militias' of both myth and fact who held the balance of terror and kept slaves in check. And, subject of this 2nd Amendment. There are good people everywhere. So some were unwilling to partake. The anti-slavery coalition centred in the North, in the state of Massachusetts - see William Seward for example: '*since all men are the sons of Adam they are co-heirs, with equal rights unto liberty*' -, believed to destroy slavery meant dismantling and disallowing the slave patrols. So they tried several ways to that objective. The Virginian Patrick Henry, he of '*give me liberty or give me death*' fame, was on principle opposed to slavery. But he, a man of his time and place, simply could not go all the way and advocate freedom for slaves. He, along with George Mason, forcefully argued for preservation of the militias. This was the make-or-break issue for the Virginians, those enlightened stalwarts for liberty and justice for all, for their votes to affirm the constitution of the United States. [The companion determinant was that black people was only 3/5ths human.] This amendment was actually configured to gain Virginia's vote for the United States Constitution and expressly to preserve the right of slave patrols - the 'militias' regulated by law in slave states - to keep and bear arms, thusly prolonging the 'peculiar institution'. For those of you who might wish to be re-educated, you can access Madison's several drafts of the 2nd Amendment. Or, if you want to know more, you might wish to read A. Leon Higginbotham's "In The Matter of Color: Race and the American Legal Process -The Colonial Period". If you don't wish to get all bogged down in the abstruse legal stuff, then try Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States". Look carefully at the sources referred in both books. For some of them are now available online, courtesy of Google. Hell, its always better for a man to choose his poison. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche(a)internode.on.net>wrote: > I am hesitant to buy into this, but this should not be about the privacy > of owning guns versus the privacy issues involved in Whois data. > > The 2nd amendment was all about the colonists protesting (finally > rebelling) against a government regime where - as English colonists, which > they were - they did not have the same rights that those who lived in > England had. (as an aside, many of the Dutch living in what was then New > Holland finally sided with the colonists because their only rights in > relation to their Dutch overlords was as shareholders in a company run out > of Rotterdam). Thus the famous ride of Paul Revere and the 2nd amendment, > once the colonists managed to rid themselves of the overlords. So - please > - it was about a situation in a colony where the locals did not have the > rights they now have as citizens of the USA. So VERY different - both in > the kinds of guns that the 2nd amendment was designed to protect over 200 > years ago and the VERY different situation now - both in the nature of the > guns being protected, and the rights of citizenship that were not available > to the colonists then, but are now. > > DIFFERENT QUESTION please about domain names. The Final Whois Review Team > report explicitly recognises the tension between legitimate needs to access > Whois data and the equally legitimate right of individuals to privacy. > What is being developed by the IETF is the WEIRDS protocol which, amongst > other things, will allow differentiated access to Whois data. This will > allow those who want to exercise their legitimate right to privacy to do > so, while also allowing those with particular need to access that data > (particularly law enforcement agencies) to gain access. There are still > issues in defining both the agencies that qualify as LEAs, and the process > for access. But the principle is there - a balance between legitimate > rights to privacy - against the equally legitimate need of those to gain > access. > > And please - no more about guns vs domain names > > > Holly Raiche > > > On 20/01/2013, at 10:49 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote: > > > On 01/19/2013 12:54 PM, Bill Silverstein wrote: > >>> On 01/19/2013 11:43 AM, Bill Silverstein wrote: > >>> > >>>> Which amendment to the constitution provides for the right to have > >>>> domain names? > >>> > >>> The First. > >>> > >>> Moreover the right to speech is found in many similar Constitutioal > >>> statements of rights around the world, which is something that one can > >>> not say about militias and infringement on bearing arms. > > > >> Having or the lack of having a domain name does not impact speech. There > >> are many services which allow one to publically speak on the internet > >> without a domain name. > > > > Really? It seems, therefore, that you would accept being banned from > > the internet because you would still have the opportunity to stand on > > the street corner and shout words into the wind? > > > > The point still stands, if the ownership of instrumentalities of great > > bodily harm (guns) is worthy of privacy protection than logic compels > > the conclusion that ownership of non-lethal instrumentalities such as > > domain names are worthy of even greater privacy protection. > > > > One can not consistently simultaneously argue for the current wide open > > WHOIS and sealed ownership of firearms. > > > > Only if one supports a privacy protected WHOIS can one consistently > > argue for privacy protected lists of gun ownership. > > > > --karl-- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] REMINDER / LACRALO January / Monday January 21, 2013 at 2300 UTC
by hcarrascob＠gmail.com Jan. 21, 2013

Jan. 21, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: REMINDER / LACRALO January / Monday January 21, 2013 at 2300 UTC From: hcarrascob(a)gmail.com Hello, Please, call me to +56958791185 Regards Sent from my iPhone On 01.21.2013, at 14:37, staff(a)atlarge.icann.org wrote: > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: RECORDATORIO / LACRALO enero / Lunes 21 de enero de 2013 a las 2300 UTC > De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > Si necesita una llamada de salida por favor póngase en contacto con el personal de At-Large en: > mailto: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> . > > > Si necesita Una Llamada de salida please PNGasa en contacto con el > personal de At-Large en: > mailto: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> . > > > > > Queridos todos, > > > La siguiente llamada de conferencia mensual de LACRALO está programada para el lunes 21 de enero > 2013 a las 23:00 UTC. > > > Para otros horarios: > http://tinyurl.com/bklk92w > > > El proyecto de programa (por actualizar) para esta información de la llamada está disponible en: > https://community.icann.org/x/4oNZAg > > > Adobe Connect: > http://icann.adobeconnect.com/lacralo > > > Por favor confirme su acceso telefónico de salida y el número preferido para > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > > > Gracias. > Saludos, > > > > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisela Gruber, Nathalie > Peregrino y Charvolen Julia > El personal de ICANN Política en apoyo de ALAC > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > > Un mundo, una Internet > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8065c2c688.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] REMINDER / LACRALO January / Monday January 21, 2013 at 2300 UTC
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Jan. 21, 2013

Jan. 21, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: REMINDER / LACRALO January / Monday January 21, 2013 at 2300 UTC From: presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Dear Staff members: Please llamamenme to +542234715948. Thank you! * Sergio Salinas Porto Argentina President Internauta Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 * * "Ojalpodamos be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano * On January 21, 2013 11:37 <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: RECORDATORIO / LACRALO enero / Lunes 21 de enero de 2013 a las > 2300 UTC > De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > Si necesita una llamada de salida por favor póngase en contacto con el > personal de At-Large en: > mailto: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> . > > > Si necesita Una Llamada de salida please PNGasa en contacto con el > personal de At-Large en: > mailto: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> . > > > > > Queridos todos, > > > La siguiente llamada de conferencia mensual de LACRALO está programada > para el lunes 21 de enero > 2013 a las 23:00 UTC. > > > Para otros horarios: > http://tinyurl.com/bklk92w > > > El proyecto de programa (por actualizar) para esta información de la > llamada está disponible en: > https://community.icann.org/x/4oNZAg > > > Adobe Connect: > http://icann.adobeconnect.com/lacralo > > > Por favor confirme su acceso telefónico de salida y el número preferido > para > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > > > Gracias. > Saludos, > > > > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisela Gruber, Nathalie > Peregrino y Charvolen Julia > El personal de ICANN Política en apoyo de ALAC > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > > Un mundo, una Internet > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/558d5f411e.html --]]

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PLEASE ANSWER!
by sylvia＠internautabrasil.org Jan. 19, 2013

Jan. 19, 2013

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FW: Withdraw the gun database
by Carlton Samuels Jan. 19, 2013

Jan. 19, 2013

The story so far. Coming on the massacre in Connecticut, a suburban NY newspaper published (online) a database of gun owners in their area - all arguably, public information - inclusive of geo-tags. People were understandingly outraged. So a coalition of privacy rights advocate allied with the right to bear arms types jump up and down. The paper backed off and took away the database. Except it cannot do crapola about the mirrors of their site which includes the database. Here's the kick in the teeth: the fellas owing the mirrors, including the geek next door, have the unfettered right to tell you 'go fly a kite'. http://www.lohud.com/article/20130118/NEWS02/301180125/A-letter-from-Journa… -Carlton ============================ Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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Whither EU Data Protection Laws
by Carlton Samuels Jan. 19, 2013

Jan. 19, 2013

...and extensions thereto, like, the one on being forgotten! That one had more holes than commonsense and a slice of Swiss cheese could accommodate. FWIW, this has implications for WHOIS. Or, whatever we will choose to call it. Doubt is good. It is the beginning of real knowledge. There's a discussion paper on "*certain key issues*" from the Informal Home and Justice Minister's Meeting at Dublin last week. Somebody is finally waking up to the idea that traditional notions of authority and authorisation, use and utility and storage have long gone. Yes, that passions aside, the interactions are way more complex. In a strange kind of way, it appears they are now keying in to the world since yesterday, how data and information transmutate and, is transformed on use. And some notions of the commons.......and the responsibilities of those who seek to be on the commons. I've attached it here. Here's a companion NYT story: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/19/business/global/ministers-express-doubts-… -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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