August 2013 - lac-discuss-en

Re: [lac-discuss-en] Moving on substantive issues, " new whois"
by silvia.vivanco＠icann.org Aug. 6, 2013

Aug. 6, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Moving on substantive issues, "new whois" From: silvia.vivanco(a)icann.org Dear Jose et all, As requested I have opened the following Pgina WIKI: LACRALO Policy Issues https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/LACRALO+Policy+Issues Best regards, Silvia Silvia Vivanco Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (202) 570-7119 Fax: +1 (202) 789-0104 Cell / Mobile: +1 (202) 735-7011 ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of JosFrancisco Arce Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:24 a.m. To: Fatima Cambronero Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-is] Forward on substantive issues, "new whois" Dear Fatima, Thanks for the collaboration in the discussion of the policies and for having taken the time to create this space with the material. The time for all express our opinion and armemos the document should be up to 10, two days of armed astenemos end of the document and the day Monday we send the final list Lacralo for details and the same d to provide imput to ICANN. I hope everyone's comments JosArce. - On August 5, 2013 3:44, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Alejandro, todos, > > > En la última llamada de LACRALO solicité que se abrieran tantas Wikis > como temas sustanciales de políticas tuviéramos abiertos al debate en > nuestra región. Como esto todavía no se ha realizado, me he tomado el > trabajo de crear una Wiki para este tema de Nuevo Modelo para la > Próxima Generación de Servicios de Directorio* *("nuevo whois"). > > > Podrán encontrar dicha Wiki en este enlace: http://bit.ly/15mkWGa > > > Allí he recopilado el material existente (principalmente en español > para facilitar la lectura y los aportes de los miembros de LACRALO de > habla > hispana) sobre este tema: documentos, audios, presentaciones, informes > y reportes del EWG, webinar, un resumen del informe inicial del EWG > (lo pueden encontrar en los adjuntos http://bit.ly/13RpSfX) > > > Principalmente he recopilado los comentarios de los miembros de > LACRALO que hemos tenido en las listas sobre este asunto. Allí mismo > podrán incorporar los demás comentarios quienes se encuentren > interesados en seguir contribuyendo a este tema. > > > El plazo hasta el que el EWG estará recibiendo comentarios sobre su > informe inicial es el 12 de agosto. Por lo tanto, todavía estamos a > tiempo para lograr un documento de consenso de LACRALO y enviarlo como > comentario a nuestro nombre. > > > Asimismo como Alejandro indicó en otro correo a esta lista, este tema > también se está discutiendo en estos momentos en ALAC y se está > decidiendo si se va a adoptar o no una posición oficial de ALAC sobre > el tema. Aquí podrán encontrar los registros de dichas discusiones: > http://bit.ly/13Rq7aN > > > Considero que también debemos estar atentos a cómo evoluciona este > asunto en ese espacio para poder incorporar nuestros comentarios > también allí si es que se decide elaborar una posición de ALAC sobre el "nuevo whois". > > > Será necesario establecer un plazo hasta el que recibamos y > recopilemos los comentarios en LACRALO, teniendo en cuenta el plazo > del 12 de agosto y si es que finalmente decidimos pronunciarnos, > aunque como esta función no está dentro de mis facultades, lo dejo a cargo de quienes corresponda. > > > Disculpas si se he perdido alguno de los comentarios emitidos en las > listas. En ese caso, podrán incorporarlos a través de la función > "Write a comment" en la Wiki que les estoy compartiendo. > > > Saludos cordiales, > > Fatima > > > El 30 de julio de 2013 10:20, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch > <apisan(a)unam.mx>escribió: > > > Colegas/amigos/as, > > > > es necesario que nuestra comunidad avance en los temas sustantivos > > de políticas en desarrollo en ICANN. > > > > Entre los más importantes temas abiertos en la actualidad está el > > que se conoce coloquialmente como "nuevo whois", el sistema de datos > > de registrantes de nombres de dominio. > > > > Algunos de nosotros hemos presentado posiciones y preguntas al respecto. > > La indicación de Carlton Samuels, miembro de nuestra región en el > > EWG (Grupo de Trabajo de Expertos) fue que era conveniente esperar > > las discusiones de Durban para retomar este trabajo ahora. > > > > Una propuesta constructiva puede ser la siguiente: > > > > 1. Hacer una compilación de los comentarios ya expresados > > > > 2. Pedir a Carlton y a quienes nos representaron en Durban sus > > opiniones > y > > respuestas en la lista, el Wiki, y una teleconferencia. > > > > 3. Elaborar una posición colectiva. > > > > Creo que lo más procedente es que este proceso sea conducido por la > > Presidencia y la Secretaría de LACRALO, con un calendario ajustado > > al proceso de ICANN (y de ALAC), pero algunas de las labores > > descritas > pueden > > ser llevadas a cabo por voluntarios. > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > Facultad de Química UNAM > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > > > +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-es mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > -- > *Fatima Cambronero* > Abogada-Argentina > > Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 > Twitter: @facambronero > Skype: fatima.cambronero > > *Join the LACRALO/ICANN discussions:* > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > *Join the Diplo Internet Governance Community discussions:* > http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ > > *Join to the Internet Society (ISOC): *http://www.internetsociety.org/ > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > Arce, Jos _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b809081afa.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Moving on substantive issues, " new whois"
by josefranciscoarce＠gmail.com Aug. 5, 2013

Aug. 5, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Moving on substantive issues, "new whois" From: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com Dear Fatima, Thanks for the collaboration on the discussion of the policies and for having taken the time to create this space with the material. The time for all express our opinion and armemos the document should be up to 10, astenemos two give final assembly and gives Monday document can send the final Lacralo list for details and the same day providing the imput to ICANN. I hope everyone's comments JosArce. - On August 5, 2013 3:44, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Alejandro, todos, > > > En la última llamada de LACRALO solicité que se abrieran tantas Wikis como > temas sustanciales de políticas tuviéramos abiertos al debate en nuestra > región. Como esto todavía no se ha realizado, me he tomado el trabajo de > crear una Wiki para este tema de Nuevo Modelo para la Próxima Generación de > Servicios de Directorio* *(nuevo whois). > > > Podrán encontrar dicha Wiki en este enlace: http://bit.ly/15mkWGa > > > Allí he recopilado el material existente (principalmente en español para > facilitar la lectura y los aportes de los miembros de LACRALO de habla > hispana) sobre este tema: documentos, audios, presentaciones, informes y > reportes del EWG, webinar, un resumen del informe inicial del EWG (lo > pueden encontrar en los adjuntos http://bit.ly/13RpSfX) > > > Principalmente he recopilado los comentarios de los miembros de LACRALO que > hemos tenido en las listas sobre este asunto. Allí mismo podrán incorporar > los demás comentarios quienes se encuentren interesados en seguir > contribuyendo a este tema. > > > El plazo hasta el que el EWG estará recibiendo comentarios sobre su informe > inicial es el 12 de agosto. Por lo tanto, todavía estamos a tiempo para > lograr un documento de consenso de LACRALO y enviarlo como comentario a > nuestro nombre. > > > Asimismo como Alejandro indicó en otro correo a esta lista, este tema > también se está discutiendo en estos momentos en ALAC y se está decidiendo > si se va a adoptar o no una posición oficial de ALAC sobre el tema. Aquí > podrán encontrar los registros de dichas discusiones: > http://bit.ly/13Rq7aN > > > Considero que también debemos estar atentos a cómo evoluciona este asunto > en ese espacio para poder incorporar nuestros comentarios también allí si > es que se decide elaborar una posición de ALAC sobre el nuevo whois. > > > Será necesario establecer un plazo hasta el que recibamos y recopilemos los > comentarios en LACRALO, teniendo en cuenta el plazo del 12 de agosto y si > es que finalmente decidimos pronunciarnos, aunque como esta función no está > dentro de mis facultades, lo dejo a cargo de quienes corresponda. > > > Disculpas si se he perdido alguno de los comentarios emitidos en las > listas. En ese caso, podrán incorporarlos a través de la función Write a > comment en la Wiki que les estoy compartiendo. > > > Saludos cordiales, > > Fatima > > > El 30 de julio de 2013 10:20, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch > <apisan(a)unam.mx>escribió: > > > Colegas/amigos/as, > > > > es necesario que nuestra comunidad avance en los temas sustantivos de > > políticas en desarrollo en ICANN. > > > > Entre los más importantes temas abiertos en la actualidad está el que se > > conoce coloquialmente como "nuevo whois", el sistema de datos de > > registrantes de nombres de dominio. > > > > Algunos de nosotros hemos presentado posiciones y preguntas al respecto. > > La indicación de Carlton Samuels, miembro de nuestra región en el EWG > > (Grupo de Trabajo de Expertos) fue que era conveniente esperar las > > discusiones de Durban para retomar este trabajo ahora. > > > > Una propuesta constructiva puede ser la siguiente: > > > > 1. Hacer una compilación de los comentarios ya expresados > > > > 2. Pedir a Carlton y a quienes nos representaron en Durban sus opiniones > y > > respuestas en la lista, el Wiki, y una teleconferencia. > > > > 3. Elaborar una posición colectiva. > > > > Creo que lo más procedente es que este proceso sea conducido por la > > Presidencia y la Secretaría de LACRALO, con un calendario ajustado al > > proceso de ICANN (y de ALAC), pero algunas de las labores descritas > pueden > > ser llevadas a cabo por voluntarios. > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > Facultad de Química UNAM > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > > > +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-es mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > -- > *Fatima Cambronero* > Abogada-Argentina > > Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 > Twitter: @facambronero > Skype: fatima.cambronero > > *Join the LACRALO/ICANN discussions:* > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > *Join the Diplo Internet Governance Community discussions:* > http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ > > *Join to the Internet Society (ISOC): *http://www.internetsociety.org/ > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > Arce, Jos _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e4576fc397.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Moving on substantive issues, " new whois"
by fatimacambronero＠gmail.com Aug. 5, 2013

Aug. 5, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Moving on substantive issues, "new whois" From: fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com Alexander, all, In the last call solicitque LACRALO Wikis are open so as tuviramos policies substantive issues open to discussion in our region. Because it still has not been done, I've taken the trouble to create a Wiki topic New Model for the next scheduled Generacin of Directory Services ** (new whois). Wiki Podrn find that this link: http://bit.ly/15mkWGa Allhe compiled existing material (mostly in Spanish for readability and contributions of members speaking LACRALO Hispanic) on this subject: documents, audios, presentations, reports and EWG reports, webinar, a summary of the initial report of the EWG (what be found in the accompanying http://bit.ly/13RpSfX) Primarily I have compiled comments LACRALO members have had in the lists on this matter. Podrn Allmismo incorporate comments the others who are interested in pursuing contributing to this issue. The deadline of the EWG estarrecibiendo comments on your report is starting August 12. Therefore, we are still in time to achieve a consensus document and send it as LACRALO Comment our behalf. Also as Alexander indicen other mail to this list, this topic also be estdiscutiendo right now in ALAC and estdecidiendo whether to adopt or not ALAC official position on the issue. Here podrn find records of these discussions: http://bit.ly/13Rq7aN I believe that we must be vigilant mAb also evolves this issue in that space to incorporate our comments also allsi is that it decides to develop a position on the new ALAC whois. Sernecesario set a deadline to receive and collect the LACRALO comments, taking into account the period of August 12 and if finally we decided to rule, but as this feature is not within my power, I leave in charge of those concerned. Apologies if I've missed any of the comments made in the lists. In that case, podrn Travs incorporate the function to write to comment on the Wiki that I am sharing. Best regards, Fatima The July 30, 2013 10:20 am, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx> wrote: > Colegas/amigos/as, > > es necesario que nuestra comunidad avance en los temas sustantivos de > políticas en desarrollo en ICANN. > > Entre los más importantes temas abiertos en la actualidad está el que se > conoce coloquialmente como "nuevo whois", el sistema de datos de > registrantes de nombres de dominio. > > Algunos de nosotros hemos presentado posiciones y preguntas al respecto. > La indicación de Carlton Samuels, miembro de nuestra región en el EWG > (Grupo de Trabajo de Expertos) fue que era conveniente esperar las > discusiones de Durban para retomar este trabajo ahora. > > Una propuesta constructiva puede ser la siguiente: > > 1. Hacer una compilación de los comentarios ya expresados > > 2. Pedir a Carlton y a quienes nos representaron en Durban sus opiniones y > respuestas en la lista, el Wiki, y una teleconferencia. > > 3. Elaborar una posición colectiva. > > Creo que lo más procedente es que este proceso sea conducido por la > Presidencia y la Secretaría de LACRALO, con un calendario ajustado al > proceso de ICANN (y de ALAC), pero algunas de las labores descritas pueden > ser llevadas a cabo por voluntarios. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de Química UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > * Fatima Cambronero * Attorney-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @ facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero * Join the LACRALO / ICANN discussions: * https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es * Join the Diplo Internet Governance Community discussions: * http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ * Join to the Internet Society (ISOC): * http://www.internetsociety.org/ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3955803d4e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] FW: R: Implementing Requirements WHOIS per RAA 2013
by amedinagomez＠gmail.com Aug. 5, 2013

Aug. 5, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: FW: R: Implementing Requirements WHOIS per RAA 2013 From: amedinagomez(a)gmail.com Alejandro thank you very much. Very timely Antonio Medina Dr. Alejandro Pisanty 2013/8/4 Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx> > Colegas, > > reenvío una discusión que se está dando en la lista de At Large sobre el > "nuevo whois", para insistir en la importancia de continuar la discusión > iniciada y orientar a nuestros representantes en el ALAC al respecto. > > Observen que hay temas en los que esta comunidad ha intervenido antes, > como el de transjurisdiccionalidad. > > Añado que las opiniones de Roberto Gaetano suelen estar bien documentadas > y pensadas, y que están alimentadas por muchos años de experiencia desde > antes de la fundación de ICANN, y con puntos de vista diversos en la > comunidad At Large y años de espléndido servicio en el Board. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de Química UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > ________________________________________ > Desde: at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Holly Raiche [ > h.raiche(a)internode.on.net] > Enviado el: domingo, 04 de agosto de 2013 19:36 > Hasta: At-Large Worldwide > Asunto: Re: [At-Large] R: Implementing WHOIS Requirements per RAA 2013 > > Thank you Karl and Roberto for your comments > > Roberto, the location of the ARDS is absolutely front and centre as an > issue. Some of the immediate comments I heard was to insist the database > NOT be located in the US (followed by a long list of other undesirable > locations). I would imagine places like Geneva or Brussels (or Finland) > would be more easily accepted. But I think the better solution is to > describe the venue in terms of strict and enforceable (and enforced) > privacy laws. - set benchmark criteria at the least. > > Other issues that were discussed on the day included enforcement - by whom > (ICANN's compliance department has not covered itself with glory on this > one), and defining who can have access to what data. > > Holly > > > > On 05/08/2013, at 10:13 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: > > > I can provide one point for thoughts, that ALAC might think to include in > > the feedback. > > During the presentation, and in the text of the report, there is a > > description of how to design access to data in a way that it will be > > dependent on the rights the accessing entity has. > > However, there is one entity that might gain full access to all data, and > > this is the government of the country where the database will be > physically > > located. > > I had a chat with Michele on this, and he assured me that this is one > point > > that came already out, and will be discussed to find an acceptable > solution. > > I have no clue about the dynamics of the WG, I am sure, knowing Carlton, > > that our points have been expressed loudly, but maybe a little help from > an > > official ALAC statement can help. > > Let's put it this way: other constituencies and stakeholder groups will > not > > be shy in making statements that will push further their opinion and > needs, > > beyond what was the acceptable consensus of the WG: why should ALAC avoid > > providing feedback? Michele is absolutely right when he calls for further > > input, he knows some will speak up anyway, it is fair if all do. > > Elaborating on the localization of the database, that we know is an > issue, > > is there something we can suggest? We do not need to provide the > technical > > solution, but can we spell out the requirements for making sure that no > > specific entity will be more equal than others? > > Cheers, > > Roberto > > > > > >> -----Messaggio originale----- > >> Da: at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- > >> bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Holly Raiche > >> Inviato: domenica 4 agosto 2013 23:08 > >> A: At-Large Worldwide > >> Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] Implementing WHOIS Requirements per RAA 2013 > >> > >> Hi Carlton > >> > >> Thanks for this. > >> > >> My one concern about ALAC not developing its own input is that, at the > >> GNSO meeting Evan and I attended (and where Michele presented), he > >> specifically asked, indeed pleaded for feedback from everyone. > >> > >> I am sure that you will be taking the views that we have discussed to > the > >> EWG. But I think my question is whether it would not make sense to have > >> official ALAC input on this particular proposal. It is different enough > > so that > >> ALAC statements in the past are not applicable to this proposal. And, > as > > the > >> discussion between Garth, you, Evan, Rinalia and I showed in Durban, > there > >> are different views on the proposal within ALAC. > >> > >> For example, should we give the many reforms to the RAA a chance to work > >> first? Should compliance be left to the compliance area within ICANN or > to > >> this new proposed ARDS? And what happens to the RAA requirements on > >> verification if the ARDS takes over that function, as well as being the > >> gatekeeper for access to data. It is a new road with much to commend it > > but, > >> as our discussions showed, some real reservations, and some real > >> differences even within ALAC. > >> > >> I trust you to reflect those differences, but worry that you don't have > > official > >> ALAC statements to support what you are saying. > >> > >> Just please keep us informed of ongoing discussions. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Holly > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 05/08/2013, at 6:23 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Holly: > >>> I should think not; this was an advisory and in any event, we have > >>> spoken often and endorsed the collection of the entire dataset as > >>> defined in the specs. > >>> > >>> Regarding the EWG work, there was talk of placing an official ALAC > >>> response to invitation for comments. Since I'm a member of the EWG, > >>> speaking aloud to myself might very well be considered just desserts > >>> in some quarters and as such not to be encouraged. So I will exempt > > myself > >> from that process. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> -Carlton > >>> > >>> > >>> ============================== > >>> Carlton A Samuels > >>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 > >>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > >>> ============================= > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Holly Raiche > >> <h.raiche(a)internode.on.net>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Carlton > >>>> > >>>> It doesn't look like they are looking for any input from anyone - > >>>> except registrars. Am I right? > >>>> > >>>> And a related question - is ALAC making a statement of the EWG > >>>> Initial Report. I don't see anything on the policy page, but my > >>>> understanding was that they were looking for feedback? > >>>> > >>>> Holly > >>>> On 02/08/2013, at 2:50 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> See the details here: > >>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement- > >> 31jul13-en.h > >>>>> tm > >>>>> > >>>>> -Carlton > >>>>> > >>>>> ============================== > >>>>> Carlton A Samuels > >>>>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 > >>>>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > >>>>> ============================= > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> At-Large mailing list > >>>>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >>>>> > >>>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> At-Large mailing list > >>>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >>>> > >>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> At-Large mailing list > >>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >>> > >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> At-Large mailing list > >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >> > >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/f99495e5b5.html --]]

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FW: R: Implementing Requirements WHOIS per RAA 2013
by apisan＠unam.mx Aug. 5, 2013

Aug. 5, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: FW: R: Implementing Requirements WHOIS per RAA 2013 From: apisan(a)unam.mx Colleagues, reenvo one estdando discussion is on the list of at-large about the "new whois" to stress the importance of continuing the discussion started and guide our representatives about ALAC. Notice that there are issues on which this community has intervened before, like transjurisdiccionalidad. Aado that Roberto Gaetano opinions are usually well documented and designed, and ESTN fed by many years of experience from before the foundation of ICANN, and different views on the At Large splendid and years of service on the Board. Alejandro Pisanty --------------------------- Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM 3000 University Avenue, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD SMS +525541444475 +525541444475 FROM MEXICO Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the LinkedIn group UNAM, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________________ From: at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Holly Raiche [h.raiche @ internode.on.net] Posted on: Sunday, August 4, 2013 19:36 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] R: Implementing Requirements WHOIS per RAA 2013 Thank you Karl and Robert for your comments Roberto, the location of the ARDS is absolutely front and center as an issue. Some of the immediate comments I heard was to insist the database NOT be located in the U.S. (followed by a long list of other undesirable locations).I would suppose places like Geneva or Brussels (or Finland) Easily would be more accepted. But I think the better solution is to describe the venue in terms of strict and enforceable (and enforced) privacy laws. - September at The Least benchmark criteria. That Other issues were discussed This on the day included enforcement - by Whom (ICANN's compliance department has not covered itself with glory on this one), and defining who Can Have access to what data. Holly On 05/08/2013, at 10:13 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: > I can provide one point for thoughts, that ALAC might think to include in > the feedback. > During the presentation, and in the text of the report, there is a > description of how to design access to data in a way that it will be > dependent on the rights the accessing entity has. > However, there is one entity that might gain full access to all data, and > this is the government of the country where the database will be physically > located. > I had a chat with Michele on this, and he assured me that this is one point > that came already out, and will be discussed to find an acceptable solution. > I have no clue about the dynamics of the WG, I am sure, knowing Carlton, > that our points have been expressed loudly, but maybe a little help from an > official ALAC statement can help. > Let's put it this way: other constituencies and stakeholder groups will not > be shy in making statements that will push further their opinion and needs, > beyond what was the acceptable consensus of the WG: why should ALAC avoid > providing feedback? Michele is absolutely right when he calls for further > input, he knows some will speak up anyway, it is fair if all do. > Elaborating on the localization of the database, that we know is an issue, > is there something we can suggest? We do not need to provide the technical > solution, but can we spell out the requirements for making sure that no > specific entity will be more equal than others? > Cheers, > Roberto > > >> -----Messaggio originale----- >> Da: at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- >> bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Holly Raiche >> Inviato: domenica 4 agosto 2013 23:08 >> A: At-Large Worldwide >> Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] Implementing WHOIS Requirements per RAA 2013 >> >> Hi Carlton >> >> Thanks for this. >> >> My one concern about ALAC not developing its own input is that, at the >> GNSO meeting Evan and I attended (and where Michele presented), he >> specifically asked, indeed pleaded for feedback from everyone. >> >> I am sure that you will be taking the views that we have discussed to the >> EWG. But I think my question is whether it would not make sense to have >> official ALAC input on this particular proposal. It is different enough > so that >> ALAC statements in the past are not applicable to this proposal. And, as > the >> discussion between Garth, you, Evan, Rinalia and I showed in Durban, there >> are different views on the proposal within ALAC. >> >> For example, should we give the many reforms to the RAA a chance to work >> first? Should compliance be left to the compliance area within ICANN or to >> this new proposed ARDS? And what happens to the RAA requirements on >> verification if the ARDS takes over that function, as well as being the >> gatekeeper for access to data. It is a new road with much to commend it > but, >> as our discussions showed, some real reservations, and some real >> differences even within ALAC. >> >> I trust you to reflect those differences, but worry that you don't have > official >> ALAC statements to support what you are saying. >> >> Just please keep us informed of ongoing discussions. >> >> Thanks >> >> Holly >> >> >> >> >> On 05/08/2013, at 6:23 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: >> >>> Hi Holly: >>> I should think not; this was an advisory and in any event, we have >>> spoken often and endorsed the collection of the entire dataset as >>> defined in the specs. >>> >>> Regarding the EWG work, there was talk of placing an official ALAC >>> response to invitation for comments. Since I'm a member of the EWG, >>> speaking aloud to myself might very well be considered just desserts >>> in some quarters and as such not to be encouraged. So I will exempt > myself >> from that process. >>> >>> Best, >>> -Carlton >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Carlton A Samuels >>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >>> ============================= >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Holly Raiche >> <h.raiche(a)internode.on.net>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Carlton >>>> >>>> It doesn't look like they are looking for any input from anyone - >>>> except registrars. Am I right? >>>> >>>> And a related question - is ALAC making a statement of the EWG >>>> Initial Report. I don't see anything on the policy page, but my >>>> understanding was that they were looking for feedback? >>>> >>>> Holly >>>> On 02/08/2013, at 2:50 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: >>>> >>>>> See the details here: >>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement- >> 31jul13-en.h >>>>> tm >>>>> >>>>> -Carlton >>>>> >>>>> ============================== >>>>> Carlton A Samuels >>>>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>>>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >>>>> ============================= >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> At-Large mailing list >>>>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>>>> >>>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> At-Large mailing list >>>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>>> >>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> At-Large mailing list >>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b6a764a6da.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? HOMEWORK = D3N_REUNION_48_ICANN? =
by amedinagomez＠gmail.com Aug. 1, 2013

Aug. 1, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? HOMEWORK = D3N_REUNION_48_ICANN? = From: amedinagomez(a)gmail.com Sylvia thank you very much for the information, which we permitirhacer one presentation better, considering the experiences of Mexico, Cartagena and Costa Rica. Antonio Medina On August 1, 2013 12:56, <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> wrote: > Estimados miembros de LACRALO: > > Como región anfitriona tenemos una oportunidad y responsabilidad especial > al > recibir miembros de las otras Ralos en nuestra casa. > > Como es costumbre desde Cartagena y Costa Rica presentaremos un Showcase de > nuestra región y es por este motivo que abrimos una página Wiki para > concentrar las ideas y las sugerencias de todos los miembros de LACRALO > para > preparar esta presentación con éxito. > > Están todos invitados a colocar sus ideas con respecto a por ejemplo: > formato y duración del evento, contenido, participantes, espectáculo, > recepción, recuerdos, ect. > > > > https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41898460 > > > > saludos, > > sylvia > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > Sylvia Herlein > > <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > Secretaria LACRALO-ICANN/ 2012-2014 - <http://atlarge.icann.org/> > http://atlarge.icann.org > > Secretaria FLUI 2009-2013 > > sylvia_leite=Skype > > Descrição: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/5410ffc158.html --]]

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=? Iso-8859-1? Q? HOMEWORK = D3N_REUNION_48_ICANN? =
by sylvia＠internautabrasil.org Aug. 1, 2013

Aug. 1, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? HOMEWORK = D3N_REUNION_48_ICANN? = From: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org Dear members of LACRALO: As host region have a special opportunity and responsibility members receive other Ralos in our house. As usual from Cartagena and Costa Rica will present a Showcase our region and for this reason we open a Wiki page concentrate the ideas and suggestions from all members of LACRALO successfully prepare this presentation. ESTN all invited to place their ideas regarding for example: and duration of the event format, content, participants, spectacle, reception, souvenirs, ect. https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41898460 greetings, sylvia ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2014 - <http://atlarge.icann.org/> http://atlarge.icann.org Secretary FLUI 2009-2013 sylvia_leite = Skype Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/cc080668fe.html --]]

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Implementing WHOIS Requirements per RAA 2013
by Carlton Samuels Aug. 1, 2013

Aug. 1, 2013

See the details here: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-31jul13-en.htm -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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=? Iso-8859-1? Q? Desarrollo_de_pol = EDticas_de_ICAN? == Iso-8859-1? Q? N = 3A_nombres_geogr = E1ficos? =
by apisan＠unam.mx Aug. 1, 2013

Aug. 1, 2013

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Desarrollo_de_pol = EDticas_de_ICAN? == Iso-8859-1? Q? N = 3A_nombres_geogr = E1ficos? = From: apisan(a)unam.mx Colleagues, I still have the pledge of us to start substantive work that allows LACRALO influence the policies that are in development at ICANN. I sense a long time we are exploring the space of what will be possible in LACRALO. It has become clear that the issues containing highly specialized technician should be for a little more later, when our organizations to engage their members with this kind of formation. So I searched recently calling (us) to work on specific issues that may have a slight level of challenge - not obvious, because - but stoquen skills we have developed the Training Program Travs Natalia and Fatima that drove for over a year. Today I draw the atencina a topic relevant serespecialmente think, to use names in TLDs geogrficas, which discusses the ccNSO now. You can see the state of the art in http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/unct-final-02jul13-en.htm The subject is delicate and interesting as some things that seem obvious (stop-alpha-dzeta XYZ is authorized to gTLD that may correspond to the denomination of a district) can even exceed ICANN border indicating that duty never create new law, ie, exceed the limits of The legislation currently in existence worldwide. Should marry well with the interests and skills of the representatives of member organizations and members LACRALO same organizations to which we must resort representatives. My proposal is to receive comments especially those who were recently involved in issues geogrficas names, like. Amazon and. Patagonia, as they must have earned a "expertise" very up to date, and that a volunteer editor, appointed by the community or appointed by the Chair, or secrete but entering this function, sum of positions around which we can collectively manifest. For my part Serun if accepted voluntary participant in the event you opt to form a working group proposed in the previous paragraph, and the collective discussion course. My contribution will be based on experience and conocimimento of the interface between these subjects but will not attempt to replace or to intellectual property lawyers with particular denominations geogrficas atencina or activists who mobilized the issue with the aforementioned gTLDs. Cordial greetings. Alejandro Pisanty --------------------------- Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM 3000 University Avenue, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD SMS +525541444475 +525541444475 FROM MEXICO Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the LinkedIn group UNAM, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/efaa797935.html --]]

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