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Read the Post-ICANN59 Policy Report
by ICANN At-Large Staff July 25, 2017

July 25, 2017

Dear All, This Post-ICANN59 Policy Report captures outcomes and decisions as well as overviews of activities in Johannesburg. Representatives from the Advisory Committees and Supporting Organizations organized the program. We appreciate your contributions that lead to a successful ICANN59 Policy Forum. Click the link to read the report: https://go.icann.org/2sVmjdE ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org<https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ONBOARDING Community
by apisanty＠gmail.com July 25, 2017

July 25, 2017

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ONBOARDING Community Desde: apisanty(a)gmail.com Vanda, (personal opinion): It would be very useful to distinguish between responses to individuals or organizations That had a concrete and pre-existing interest in the field of action of ICANN, as ISPs, members of professional societies involved in the Operation, standards and norms, and Internet application, companies and their Associations, registry operators such as gTLDs and ccTLDs, etc., and those Came to ICANN because they considered the organization interesting and only After some fellowships they discovered their vocation within the organization. In this second group, the object of work remains the Own ICANN.Their experience is very different from those who have business With domain names, the lawyers who have to litigate or do Contracts affected by domain names or data protection Committed by the public character of "whois", They see their names and acronyms threatened by trademarks, and many More, which would rather be the first group. Which of these groups should determine the content and destination of The onboarding processes and the organizational, economic and Human partners? Alejandro Pisanty 2017-07-25 9:47 GMT 05:00 Vanda Scartezini <vanda(a)scartezini.org> : > > > Estimados amigos de LACRALO > Es muy relevante tener sus informaciones y expectativas para la > construcción de materiales que realmente contribuyan para que una nueva > persona adentrando a ICANN pueda sentirse bien recibida, comprenda lo que > esta se pasando y pueda definir donde y porque – en que grupo adentro de > ICANN - puede contribuir mejor. > Piensen en sus propias experiencias como entrantes por la primera > oportunidad - > > - - que más ayudó usted a comprender ICANN? > - - como y cuanto tiempo hasta participar de un grupo de trabajo? > - - com que gostaria contar para facilitar tu trajetória?? > - - Alguna opinion sobre webinars? Oportunidad de atender a un > meeting de ICANN en un HUB local? > - - qualquer otro comentario que pueda contribuyir > > > Agradezco cualquiera comentario sobre la experiencia personal de cada uno > de ustedes. > > Much gracias por su tiempo y contribución! > > Como ejemplo de una contribución que recebi en Africa: > > Una participante he sugerido tener una subsección en los grupo de Cross > Community Working Groups para que los iniciantes, sin perturbar la marcha > normal de los trabajos, pudieran participar facilmente, com explicaciones > simplificadas do que se está debatendo y porque. > > > *Vanda Scartezini* > > *Polo Consultores Associados* > > *Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004* > > *01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil* > > *Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253* > > *Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 * > > *Sorry for any typos. * > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, Http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/baeb23c938.html --]]

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Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org July 25, 2017

July 25, 2017

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! Desde: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Dear Ricardo and Nicolas, ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform you that ISOC Paraguay has been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC greatly appreciates your group's interest in involving individual users in LACRALO and ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues. The ALAC is eager to promote a productive working relationship between your organization, other ALSes, and the ALAC (and ICANN in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be greatly appreciated. It is very important to keep the members of your organization informed (about important news from ICANN and information on ICANN policy-development efforts) and engaged in activities of interest. Here are a few of the tools of At-Large find useful: The At-Large wiki is where you can find most of the relevant information: The At-Large introductory page < https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2265510> Help you navigate through the wiki contents. This is where you can find the latest announcements, and subscribe to the At-Large Google calendar < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Calendar> From any chosen page in the At-Large wiki, you can find your bearings easily by navigating via the purple box at the top left hand corner of the page. It is very convenient to be able to consult the latest At-Large Policy Development Activity < https://community.icann.org/x/bwFO>, Find out more about the Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Regional+At-Large+Organisations>, And about At-Large Working Groups < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Working+Groups>. For the most up-to-date information about ICANN Public meetings, it is worth bookmarking this wiki page < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ICANN+Meetings>! Regional wiki webpages have also been created to distribute information (including in local languages) on activities, events and issues of particular interest to people in each region. These are maintained by the community. They are: African Region: http://www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org/> Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: http://www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org/> European Region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> Latin America / Caribbean Region: http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> North American Region: http://www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org/> At-Large Mailing Lists. There are many At-Large email lists, for each region, you can sign up to them and manage your subscriptions at: Http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The primary and secondary points of contact you have identified in the application will be automatically added to your region's list just for accredited ALSes to discuss regional issues and to the mailing list for Staff announcements (only Staff can post messages to that list); You are invited to join others as you wish. ALAC website. The ALAC website <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> Is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to individual Internet users. We encourage you to provide your members with a link. The ALAC relies on volunteers to translate information into multiple languages.Translations of documents on the website are welcome and should be sent to At-Large staff. <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> ICANN website: The ICANN website < https://www.icann.org/> Is where all announcements < https://www.icann.org/news> Skype chat: At-Large community members and staff use Skype group chats extensively. A group chat exists for most Working Groups and RALOs. So please do not hesitate to send us your Skype ID and we'll gladly add you to the relevant chats. Please click here <http://www.skype.com/en/> If you don¹t have a Skype account. It's free and staff are available to help if you run into any trouble. Facebook: The At-Large community has its own Facebook page < https://www.facebook.com/icann.atlarge?fref=ts>. Twitter: Members of At-Large tweet extensively and actively active during ICANN Public meetings. Follow At-Large on Twitter < https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge?lang=fr%3E>! We will forward the At-Large Beginners' guide shortly, as it is in the process of being updated. In the meantime, please refer to the most recent LACRALO Monthly Call < https://community.icann.org/x/W3bwAw>. You may also like to refer to the LACRALO wiki space < https://community.icann.org/x/NJQi> We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to advance individual Internet users' interests within ICANN. If you have any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> . Sincerely, The At-Large Advisory Committee Http://www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> Staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/0f9bb607c4.html --]]

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ONBOARDING Community
by vanda＠scartezini.org July 25, 2017

July 25, 2017

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: ONBOARDING Community Desde: vanda(a)scartezini.org Dear friends of LACRALO It is very important to have your information and expectations for the construction of materials that really contribute to a new person entering ICANN can feel welcome, understand what is happening and can define where and why - in which group within ICANN can Contribute better. Think of your own experiences as starters for the first opportunity - * - what else did you help understand ICANN? * - how and how long until you participate in a working group? * - What would you like to tell us to facilitate your trajectory? * - Any opinions about webinars? Opportunity to attend an ICANN meeting in a local HUB? * - any other comments that may contribute I appreciate any comments about the personal experience of each of you. Much thanks for your time and contribution! As an example of a contribution I received in Africa: One participant has suggested having a subsection in the Cross Community Working Groups so that beginners, without disturbing the normal course of work, could easily participate, with simplified explanations of what is being debated and why. Vanda Scartezini Contact Us Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/23b541017b.html --]]

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Fwd: Amazon win sets good precedent
by hcarrascob＠ucn.cl July 25, 2017

July 25, 2017

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Fwd: Amazon win sets good precedent Desde: hcarrascob(a)ucn.cl JULY 23, 2017 AMAZON WIN SETS GOOD PRECEDENT In a victory for fairness and rule-based Internet governance, an independent review panel (IRP) has decided that ICANN was wrong to deny retailing giant Amazon, Inc. the top level domain AMAZON. Key elements of the decision were unanimous, particularly the conclusion that the Board "can not accept GAC consensus advice as conclusive." ICANN's board, in denying the application, failed to provide sufficient reasons for doing so, the panel ruled. The majority of the panel also concluded that the GAC was failing to treat Amazon fairly. We believe the IRP made the right decision, and we hope the ICANN board and the GAC will come to their senses and simply allow the TLD to be awarded to Amazon and be done with it.The main roadblock to this obvious solution is the perception, which we believe to be misguided, that objections from Latin American countries have some merit and therefore some "win-win" solution, most likely involving payoffs to someone, must be found. This will just muddy the waters and prolong the dispute. We prefer a cleaner solution with better long-term consequences for Internet governance - a solution that does not encourage governments or other objectors to make claims based on any law or engage in holding up politics in the future. We need to recognize that certain countries are playing identity politics and making bad arguments, and turn our back on that. Here's why the objections to the .AMAZON application are baseless: Good governance requires clear, pre-specified and objective rules - rule of law, not rule of men. ICANN's application rules. None of the strings applied for by Amazon are listed as 'geographic names' in ICANN's Applicant Guidebook, and thus were not subject to government pre-approval. The new gTLD process also anticipated applications for "brand" top level domains and there was nothing unexpected about it.The objectors to the application were trying to change the rules in the middle of the game. The parties objecting to the application had no application of their own, no alternative ideas about how to use the domain. Indeed, in an attempt to solve the dispute, Amazon was reputedly offered to cover the costs of applying for AMAZON or AMAZON, but there were no takers. (In the region itself, as well as in many other parts of the world, the region goes by those names) They just wanted to prevent Amazon from having it. Objectors never provided even a minimally plausible case that harmed anyone or anything. The .AMAZON application was challenged using ICANN's "community objection" criteria, but an expert report found that the TLD "would not pose material detriment to the region or people who inhabit the geographic region near the Amazon River." The horse is already out of the barn. If indeed .AMAZON constituted some kind of illegitimate cultural appropriation, then why does AMAZON.COM? Or all the Amazon trademarks? There is no rational distinction between any of these uses. Can anyone show how the people or environment of the Amazon region have been harmed by the use of these names? The .AMAZON case is a good example of how, during its new gTLD program, ICANN allowed its processes to be hijacked by politics, usually emanating from the Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC). In many cases, pre-established rules and principles were abandoned and application guidelines modified on the fly simply because the GAC wanted to have discretionary power over top level domain applications. In the AMAZON case this led to a palpably absurd result. A regime that was established to mediate domain name - trademark conflicts denied an application by a company for its own name - a company that had a registered trademark for AMAZON in over 170 nations, and whose use of the name is so well-known globally that It has obtained secondary meaning (in English) that is largely unrelated to the South American region. And it denied the application not because someone else also wanted the name, and not because of any harm to community, but simply because a few representatives of Latin American governments wanted to flex their muscles. Regardless of whether Amazon actually gets the TLD, this case has important precedent value. The ruling says that the ICANN board can not simply defer to consensus GAC advice.If one of the panelists noted, "For me, the key requirement is that there is a well-founded and well-founded and credible public policy interests. "I have already found that GAC advice," he wrote, "is the burden of showing that ICANN's to bear. It failed to do so. " Start of forwarded message: > De: "Internet Governance Project" <info(a)internetgovernance.org> > Fecha: 24 de julio de 2017, 01:54:47 CLT > Para: hcarrascob <hcarrascob(a)ucn.cl> > Asunto: [IGP Announce] Amazon win sets good precedent > Responder a: "Internet Governance Project" <info(a)internetgovernance.org> > > > > > July 24, 2017 > > Amazon win sets good precedent > More Recent Articles > Amazon win sets good precedent > > In a victory for fairness and rule-based Internet governance, an independent review panel (IRP) has decided that ICANN was wrong to deny retailing giant Amazon, Inc. the top level domain AMAZON. 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July 24, 2017

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Fwd: Amazon win sets good precedent
by hcarrascob＠gmail.com July 24, 2017

July 24, 2017

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Fwd: Amazon win sets good precedent Desde: hcarrascob(a)gmail.com > De: Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)ucn.cl> > Fecha: 24 de julio de 2017, 05:05:15 CLT > Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Asunto: Fwd: [IGP Announce] Amazon win sets good precedent > > > JULY 23, 2017 > AMAZON WIN SETS GOOD PRECEDENT > In a victory for fairness and rule-based Internet governance, an independent review panel (IRP) has decided that ICANN was wrong to deny retailing giant Amazon, Inc. the top level domain AMAZON. Key elements of the decision were unanimous, particularly the conclusion that the Board “cannot accept GAC consensus advice as conclusive.” ICANN’s board, in denying the application, failed to provide sufficient reasons for doing so, the panel ruled. The majority of the panel also concluded that the GAC was at fault for not treating Amazon fairly. > > We believe the IRP made the right decision, and we hope the ICANN board and the GAC will come to their senses and simply allow the TLD to be awarded to Amazon and be done with it. The main roadblock to this obvious solution is the perception, which we believe to be misguided, that objections from Latin American countries have some merit and therefore some “win-win” solution, most likely involving payoffs to someone, must be found. This will just muddy the waters and prolong the dispute. > > We prefer a cleaner solution with better long-term consequences for Internet governance – a solution that does not encourage governments or other objectors to make claims not based in any law or engage in hold up politics in the future. We need to recognize that certain countries were playing identity politics and making bad arguments, and turn our back on that. > > Here’s why the objections to the .AMAZON application are baseless: > > Good governance requires clear, pre-specified and objective rules – rule of law, not rule of men. Amazon followed ICANN’s application rules. None of the strings applied for by Amazon are listed as ‘geographic names’ in ICANN’s Applicant Guidebook, and thus were not subject to government pre-approval. The new gTLD process also anticipated applications for “brand” top level domains and there was nothing unexpected about it. The objectors to the application were trying to change the rules in the middle of the game. > The parties objecting to the application had no application of their own, no alternative ideas about how to use the domain. Indeed, in an attempt to resolve the dispute, Amazon reputedly offered to cover the costs of applying for AMAZONAS or AMAZONIA, but there were no takers. (In the region itself, as well as in many other parts of the world, the region goes by those names) They just wanted to prevent Amazon from having it. > Objectors never provided even a minimally plausible case that this appropriation harmed anyone or anything. The .AMAZON application was challenged using ICANN’s “community objection” criteria, but an expert report found that the TLD “would not pose a material detriment to the region or the people who inhabit the geographic region proximate to the Amazon River.” > The horse is already out of the barn. If indeed .AMAZON constituted some kind of illegitimate cultural appropriation, then why doesn’t AMAZON.COM? Or all the Amazon trademarks? There is no rational distinction between any of these uses. Can anyone show how the people or environment of the Amazon region have been harmed by the use of these names? > The .AMAZON case is a good example of how, during its new gTLD program, ICANN allowed its processes to be hijacked by politics, usually emanating from the Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC). In numerous cases, pre-established rules and principles were abandoned and application guidelines modified on the fly simply because the GAC wanted to have discretionary power over top level domain applications. > > In the AMAZON case this led to a palpably absurd result. A regime that was established to mediate domain name – trademark conflicts denied an application by a company for its own name – a company that had a registered trademark for AMAZON in over 170 nations, and whose use of the name is so well-known globally that it has obtained secondary meaning (in English) that is largely unrelated to the South American region. And it denied the application not because someone else also wanted the name, and not because of any harm to a community, but simply because a few representatives of Latin American governments wanted to flex their muscles. > > Regardless of whether Amazon actually gets the TLD, this case has important precedent value. The ruling says that the ICANN board cannot simply defer to consensus GAC advice. If it upholds that advice, it must set forth reasons and explain why the reasons reflect “well-founded and credible public policy interests.” As one of the panelists noted, “For me, the key requirement is that there be a ‘well-founded’ basis for the [Board’s] conclusion.” Once Amazon had rebutted the presumption in favor of following GAC advice, he wrote, “the burden of making that showing became ICANN’s to bear. It failed to do so.” > > > > > Inicio del mensaje reenviado: > >> De: "Internet Governance Project" <info(a)internetgovernance.org> >> Fecha: 24 de julio de 2017, 01:54:47 CLT >> Para: hcarrascob <hcarrascob(a)ucn.cl> >> Asunto: [IGP Announce] Amazon win sets good precedent >> Responder a: "Internet Governance Project" <info(a)internetgovernance.org> >> >> >> >> >> July 24, 2017 >> >> Amazon win sets good precedent >> More Recent Articles >> Amazon win sets good precedent >> >> In a victory for fairness and rule-based Internet governance, an independent review panel (IRP) has decided that ICANN was wrong to deny retailing giant Amazon, Inc. the top level domain AMAZON. Key... >> >> Read the whole entry » >> >> >> • Email to a friend • >> More Recent Articles >> >> >> ICANN Jurisdiction Working Group Reaches Critical Juncture >> How ICANN is manipulating its GDPR discussions >> The curious policies in NIST’s proposed RPKI study >> Click here to safely unsubscribe from "IGP Blog." >> Click here to view mailing archives, here to change your preferences, or here to subscribe • Privacy >> Email subscriptions powered by FeedBlitz, LLC, 365 Boston Post Rd, Suite 123, Sudbury, MA 01776, USA. [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c9fc12ebf4.html --]]

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Fwd: [IGP Announce] Amazon win sets good precedent
by Humberto Carrasco July 24, 2017

July 24, 2017

JULY 23, 2017 AMAZON WIN SETS GOOD PRECEDENT In a victory for fairness and rule-based Internet governance, an independent review panel (IRP) has decided that ICANN was wrong to deny retailing giant Amazon, Inc. the top level domain AMAZON. Key elements of the decision were unanimous, particularly the conclusion that the Board “cannot accept GAC consensus advice as conclusive.” ICANN’s board, in denying the application, failed to provide sufficient reasons for doing so, the panel ruled. The majority of the panel also concluded that the GAC was at fault for not treating Amazon fairly. We believe the IRP made the right decision, and we hope the ICANN board and the GAC will come to their senses and simply allow the TLD to be awarded to Amazon and be done with it. The main roadblock to this obvious solution is the perception, which we believe to be misguided, that objections from Latin American countries have some merit and therefore some “win-win” solution, most likely involving payoffs to someone, must be found. This will just muddy the waters and prolong the dispute. We prefer a cleaner solution with better long-term consequences for Internet governance – a solution that does not encourage governments or other objectors to make claims not based in any law or engage in hold up politics in the future. We need to recognize that certain countries were playing identity politics and making bad arguments, and turn our back on that. Here’s why the objections to the .AMAZON application are baseless: Good governance requires clear, pre-specified and objective rules – rule of law, not rule of men. Amazon followed ICANN’s application rules. None of the strings applied for by Amazon are listed as ‘geographic names’ in ICANN’s Applicant Guidebook, and thus were not subject to government pre-approval. The new gTLD process also anticipated applications for “brand” top level domains and there was nothing unexpected about it. The objectors to the application were trying to change the rules in the middle of the game. The parties objecting to the application had no application of their own, no alternative ideas about how to use the domain. Indeed, in an attempt to resolve the dispute, Amazon reputedly offered to cover the costs of applying for AMAZONAS or AMAZONIA, but there were no takers. (In the region itself, as well as in many other parts of the world, the region goes by those names) They just wanted to prevent Amazon from having it. Objectors never provided even a minimally plausible case that this appropriation harmed anyone or anything. The .AMAZON application was challenged using ICANN’s “community objection” criteria, but an expert report found that the TLD “would not pose a material detriment to the region or the people who inhabit the geographic region proximate to the Amazon River.” The horse is already out of the barn. If indeed .AMAZON constituted some kind of illegitimate cultural appropriation, then why doesn’t AMAZON.COM? Or all the Amazon trademarks? There is no rational distinction between any of these uses. Can anyone show how the people or environment of the Amazon region have been harmed by the use of these names? The .AMAZON case is a good example of how, during its new gTLD program, ICANN allowed its processes to be hijacked by politics, usually emanating from the Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC). In numerous cases, pre-established rules and principles were abandoned and application guidelines modified on the fly simply because the GAC wanted to have discretionary power over top level domain applications. In the AMAZON case this led to a palpably absurd result. A regime that was established to mediate domain name – trademark conflicts denied an application by a company for its own name – a company that had a registered trademark for AMAZON in over 170 nations, and whose use of the name is so well-known globally that it has obtained secondary meaning (in English) that is largely unrelated to the South American region. And it denied the application not because someone else also wanted the name, and not because of any harm to a community, but simply because a few representatives of Latin American governments wanted to flex their muscles. Regardless of whether Amazon actually gets the TLD, this case has important precedent value. The ruling says that the ICANN board cannot simply defer to consensus GAC advice. If it upholds that advice, it must set forth reasons and explain why the reasons reflect “well-founded and credible public policy interests.” As one of the panelists noted, “For me, the key requirement is that there be a ‘well-founded’ basis for the [Board’s] conclusion.” Once Amazon had rebutted the presumption in favor of following GAC advice, he wrote, “the burden of making that showing became ICANN’s to bear. It failed to do so.” Inicio del mensaje reenviado: > De: "Internet Governance Project" <info(a)internetgovernance.org> > Fecha: 24 de julio de 2017, 01:54:47 CLT > Para: hcarrascob <hcarrascob(a)ucn.cl> > Asunto: [IGP Announce] Amazon win sets good precedent > Responder a: "Internet Governance Project" <info(a)internetgovernance.org> > > > > > July 24, 2017 > > Amazon win sets good precedent > More Recent Articles > Amazon win sets good precedent > > In a victory for fairness and rule-based Internet governance, an independent review panel (IRP) has decided that ICANN was wrong to deny retailing giant Amazon, Inc. the top level domain AMAZON. Key... > > Read the whole entry » > > > • Email to a friend • > More Recent Articles > > > ICANN Jurisdiction Working Group Reaches Critical Juncture > How ICANN is manipulating its GDPR discussions > The curious policies in NIST’s proposed RPKI study > Click here to safely unsubscribe from "IGP Blog." > Click here to view mailing archives, here to change your preferences, or here to subscribe • Privacy > Email subscriptions powered by FeedBlitz, LLC, 365 Boston Post Rd, Suite 123, Sudbury, MA 01776, USA.

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Fwd: Statement - Amazonians speak about .amazon
by crg＠isoc-cr.org July 23, 2017

July 23, 2017

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Fwd: Statement - Amazonians speak about .amazon Desde: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ Paragraph 1571-1000 San Jose Costa Rica ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <raquino(a)gmail.com> Date: Jul 21, 2017 12:23 Subject: Statement - Amazonians speak about .amazon To: <NCSG-DISCUSS(a)listserv.syr.edu> DC: This statement is now open to sign up endorsements. https://bestbits.net/amazon/ Amazonians speak about .amazon We, the people in the Amazon, would like you to stop talking about us Without hearing us first ***** This is a response to the latest decision in the delegation process Of the .amazon new gTLD domain by the Independent Review Panel at ICANN to Amazon https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-amazon- Final-declaration-11jul17-en.pdf The context of this dispute is summarized in this article Http://domainnamewire.com//2017/07/18/amazon-com-gets- Big-win-domain-battle-may-yet-get-amazon-domain / **** In light of the twists in the process of the new gTLD .amazon, many Parties have come forward speaking "for the benefit of the people of The Amazon "and staking their claim that they were doing what is best For the region development. Not once, during all this time, anyone cared to ask what our thoughts Are or what we think the best for our region is. Well, we would like to ask all parties to stop talking about us as if We can not speak for ourselves. It should not be forgotten that the Amazon Region involves the population of nine South American nation-states. For us, this is a time of challenges over the Amazon such as illegal Mining, deforestation, water pollution among others. Any policy Decision about the region or its name (in any language) is a matter of Great interest for all of us, and we can not be left aside. Let's start with the view of .amazon being a brand as well as a region. And a river. We were never asked, again, when the name was used in the First place The consequences of this can be seen now, when we are Mistaken as a faceless, plain, uncharacteristic area in a world map Without content or people, an exotic part of the world to be Conquered and debated abstractly by trademark lobbyists, private Companies and governments. We have faces, names, content, history. Using our name to tell another Story, a company's history, would de-characterize us? Likely not. We Will not disappear Instead the Amazon is a vibrant region, which bets On sustainable development and becomes more involved with Internet governance, alongside with Northeast Brazil, which hosted IGF2015. However, using our name without acknowledging our importance Certainly a mistake. Using our name directly to a vast land of Rich diversity, with much to uncover and with many cultural gems Already discovered. So if using our name, at least acknowledge us, Respect us.Give back to the "lung of the Earth," to a river which Hosts hundreds of communities by its riverbanks. Invest on us. We want The same you do, more education, a thriving internet market and Respect for sustainable development for a better future. It is also important to note that ICANN's Independent Review Panel Come at a moment when the discussion about the use of geographical Names are very controversial, as it was seen in meetings Johannesburg. And it is surprising, given there is no consensus yet About this theme in the community. Governments of nine nations also speak our name. With such ownership And familiarity that you could sometimes forget that we do not belong Only to one of them. The Wikipedia, which also does not belong to only One company or government, can enlighten that: "This region includes territory belonging to nine nations.The Majority of the forest is contained within Brazil, with 60% of the Rainforest, followed by Peru with 13%, Colombia with 10%, and with Minor amounts in Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Guyana, Suriname and French Guiana. States or departments in four nations contain "Amazonas" in their names. The Amazon represents over half of the Planet's remaining rainforests, and comprises the largest and most Biodiverse tract of tropical rainforest in the world, with an Estimated 390 billion individual trees divided into 16,000 species. " This means that even if you agree with nine governments on whatever Decision they take on the Amazon, you could still be in disagreement To half of the planet, and their thoughts on the importance of our region. Governments representational crisis is real and does not Belong to one country or another. Governments should listen to their Citizens. Yet, none of our major political powers are located in the Amazon and have not spoken to us about any aspect of the recent Process. This becomes much more complicated when the Amazon is referred to as An area of \u200b\u200bindigenous population. Our indigenous population was not Asked when colonized, the majority did not elect the government of the Nine nation-states which comprise the Amazon. Likely, the majority of Our indigenous population suffers from abandonment, land conflicts, Health crisis and lack of an education system. More importantly, our Indigenous population wants, just as companies or governments, an Internet market which provides jobs and enables development. Indigenous population may not speak Portuguese or Spanish but They can speak too So why does everyone insists on talking about us without listening to us? The rainforest is disappearing fast. This process is not going to slow Down unless there is responsibility from all stakeholders in a Dialogue about our region and how to respect it.When referring to the New gTLDs or any issue of public policy, public and private sector Need to address us, we are all part of a cross border region and Strategic navigation channel and this dialogue has taken this unique Situation in account. It should not be forgotten that, after all, the Multistakeholder model that we all support to have a free and open Internet, involves multiple parties. This is not only an issue of the Private sector and governments, the population is a key participant, That particular matter was never consulted. So please, consult us. Do not take our name without talking to us. Stop talking about us as if we can not speak. Renata Aquino Ribeiro - Brazil Worked with Amazon region researchers and maintains an independent Research group with collaborators in the region. Mixed ethnicity with Relatives and friends in the region. Lives in NE Brazil. NCUC ICANN LAC representative. IGF MAG Civil Society 2016-2017. Lilian Ivete Deluque Bruges - Colombia Lives in Barranquilla, Colombia. Works in local government with Indigenous population and vulnerable groups. Mixed ethnicity. Alumni From the South School of Internet Governance 2016. LACNIC27 fellow. Bertnell Auclene Malisa Richards - Guyana Lives in Georgetown, Guyana. Works with education and technology. Plans on creating IGF Guyana. ICANN58 fellow. NCUC ICANN member. LACRALO ICANN Member, ISOC Guyana. Patricia Vargas - Peru Researcher, PhD Candidate, School of Information Studies, Syracuse University. . Lia Solis - Bolivia LACNOG Program Committee member, LACNIC member, ICANN Fellow, LACRALO ICANN participant, ISOC Bolivia Board. Maureen Hernandez - Venezuela. ISOC Venezuela board of directors. Systems Engineer working with Community networks in Central and Latin America. Born and raised in Venezuela and has been meeting indigenous communities for connectivity Development for the last 2 years. Jessica Botelho - Brazil Journalist. Researcher at the Federal University of Amazonas / CNPq. Member of the ISOC Youth Observatory and the Center for Studies and Practices in Cyberculture (Manaus, Amazonas, Northern Brazil). Student Of the Brazil Internet Governance School 2016 and the InternetLab School 2017. Maurília Gomes - Brazil Public Relations. Master in Communication Sciences. Researcher of Cyberculture and social activism. Member of ISOC Brazil. Lives in Manaus, Amazon. Member of the Popular Audiovisual Center (CPA), an Indigenous population, land Conflicts and climate change. He is also a member of the Center for Studies and Practices in Ciberculture (NepCiber). Mixed ethnicity with Indigenous descent. Alumni from the Brazilian School of Internet Governance 2015. Hemanuel Veras - Brazil Journalist. Master in Communication Sciences. Researcher of Cyberculture and democracy. Lives in Manaus, Amazon.Member of the Popular Audiovisual Center and the Center for Studies and Practices in Ciberculture (CPA / NepCiber). Alumni from the Brazilian School of Internet Governance 2016. Allan Gomes - Brazil Journalist. Researcher of cyberculture. Lives in Manaus, Amazon. Coordinator of the Popular Audiovisual Center (CPA) and member of the Center for Studies and Practices in Ciberculture (NepCiber). Approved To the Brazilian School of Internet Governance 2017. Sebastian Roa - Brazil Currently lives in the state of Amazonas. Journalism student and Researcher of the study group of urban anthropology. Also research Adolescents in the urban context and TICS. Currently work With UN with the Venezuelan emergency. Member of the Center for Studies and Practices in Ciberculture (NepCiber). Approved to the Brazilian School of Internet Governance 2017. Sinuhe Nascimento e Cruz - Brazil Born and raised in the State of Acre, the most western state in the Brazilian amazonCurrently lives in São Paulo, where is developing a Bachelor's degree in Law at the University of São Paulo. Founder Member of the Nucleus of Studies on Technology and Society of the University of São Paulo and also a member of the Environmental Law Clinic Paulo Nogueira Neto at the Law School of the University of São Paulo Paul. Paola Perez - Venezuela Vice President ISOC Venezuela and co Chair LACNIC Public Policy Forum, OAS Cybersecurity Bootcamp fellow 2017, South School internet Governance 2016 alumni, ICANN LACRALO and NCUC member. Luan Fergus Researcher, born and raised in the Amazon region, Master's degree Student in Sao Paulo, Brazil. [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/f0d4833394.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =? Utf-8? Q? Statement = B3n_Final_Amazon_vs = 2E_IC? = =? Utf-8? Q? ANN? =
by vanda＠scartezini.org July 23, 2017

July 23, 2017

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =? Utf-8? Q? Statement = B3n_Final_Amazon_vs = 2E_IC? = =? Utf-8? Q? ANN? = Desde: vanda(a)scartezini.org Excellent! Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos On 21 Jul 2017, at 15:55, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com<mailto:carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> > Wrote: I share the position of bestbits in a 100% https://bestbits.net/amazon/ Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > Date: 7/21/17 1:44 PM (GMT-03: 00) To: "Gutierrez, Carlos Raul" <carlosraul(a)gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se> > Cc: LACRALO <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Statement Amazon vs. I CAN Carlos, I would not come to the same conclusion. I emphasize that from a very cold point of view, .tv and similar are operated as gTLDs without the contractual requirements that ICANN requires to the registries. In our region we also present some ccTLDs that use the semantic similarity of their two-letter designations with other symbolisms for an operation that for all practical purposes is in the generic market. To some observers, that is an abuse and adversely affects end users. Alejandro Pisanty 2017-07-20 9:42 GMT-05: 00 Gutierrez, Carlos Raul <carlosraul(a)gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se> >: Thank you dear Aeljandro, Following this line of thought of yours, one prodia deduce that according to your number 3, then only the development of .tv and .nu are reliable because despite their small populations their representation in the root has been very very successful financially .... ..this is not what I suggest when I ask that from the point of view of cultural communities ligusiticas and geografica think to give them a space in the DNS that is not necessarily a ccTLD FOR PROFIT ......... a hug Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ================ Mobile +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Apartado 1571-1000, COSTA RICA On 19-07-2017 19:01, Alejandro Pisanty wrote: Vanda, I agree very much with your points of view. I add to have more coordinates in this discussion: 1.The case presented by the governments of the Amazon region is profoundly weakened by the fact that Amazonas, Amazonia, etc. Are used as trademarks and other commercial identifiers in the same countries (you already indicate); 2. The high cost of new gTLD proposals is indeed an impediment to very small community organizations, but in many other ways it is desirable from the point of view of registrants and users in general, as it is a way of filtering To proponents who will operate their gTLDs on a lasting basis. Recall that what is at stake is not only an object of commerce, with the volatility they must have, but a global DNS element. If that element is unstable, it has the potential to affect the stability, robustness, resiliency, and also the reliability of the DNS in general. 3. The promises that a community gTLD will operate for the benefit of the community are very unreliable. The most recent sample was given by the .asia (dot-asia) domain in the last 24 hours, which has relaxed the localization restrictions of new registrants almost to the point of risibility.It has passed from "bona fide" and demonstrable residents in Asia to "interested in relating to Asia", which should be about 6 billion people. I draw your attention to the fact that the topic of the .amazon domain is most likely to be proposed for discussion at events close to the upcoming LACIGF in Panama as of August 1 or 2. Best regards Alejandro Pisanty 2017-07-19 16:44 GMT-05: 00 Vanda Scartezini <vanda(a)scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org> >: I do not question prices and if small communities can make use of their geographic identification. I still believe that trademarks also have the right to keep their names in the circle that suits them. There is also innovation without the community having its own TLD I still believe it is more controllable. The problem continues because both are right to see me. But for example AMAZON, if a local community of the Amazon region that speaks Latin languages \u200b\u200bwill not breed, for example a TLD called Amazon that is not their language. You will create it as Amazon or Amazonica that even has similarity can be differentiated.To reach an agreement can make things more viable for both sides. What I question is the simple prohibition on the names of geographical points after the same regions allow wl use in their territory of the same name. There is a right here that must also be repected. Vanda Scartezini Contact Us Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "Gutierrez, Carlos Raul" <carlosraul(a)gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se> > Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 12:54 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda(a)scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org> > Cc: Aida Noblia <aidanoblia(a)gmail.com<mailto:aidanoblia@gmail.com> >, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com<mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com> >, "Lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Statement Amazon vs. I CAN Dear Vanda, With all due respect, I believe that the expansion of the gTLD space has left the use / defense of the Trademarks as (only) a possibility of the use of the domain names nothing more, not the only or principal. I firmly believe that the expansion of the DNS space has opened the door for other communities (geographic, cultural and social) to develop online models.As ALAC I think the question we must ask is whether the ICANN Model of $ 185,000 per application and $ 25,000 per year for a gTLD for a small community is sustainable or not. I think it is not. And cfeo that it is ALAC's subject to talk about this. We are not specialists in trademark and intellectual property issues. Or at least it is not the object of our community. So, I want to plan our community a serious and deep discussion, how we can live in a future where the DNS space can be shared between 1. trademarks and intellectual property, which invest a lot of money in the DNS, but use little in terms of records at the second level. They can afford to hold the high costs of their caged gardens. 2. the real new generics, so that they open field to the innovation of all type avoiding the concentration of the market in few operators 3. geographical, cultural, linguistic (IDN) communities, etc. Can use the vast new resources available, without having to pay amounts to ICANN that make their ideals unsustainable.In part this topic focuses today only on GeoNames, but affects other communities as well. Congratulations to the decision of the IRP, to be able to replanterarnos the object of ALAC and LACRALO in particular. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ================ Mobile +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Apartado 1571-1000, COSTA RICA On 19-07-2017 09:34, Vanda Scartezini wrote: I have a particular opinion that I have already shared with ALAC and in English with other colleagues: I do not think that the explanation given by GAC - because nonexistent, has relevance. For example, did Brazil think that it was a name that could bring conflict for the inhabitants of the region then because the brand was granted to the company AMAZON? AMAZOn's use of .amazon is not different from its use of its Brand. It's a TLD brand. I see no real reason for all this discussion on this subject.Perhaps only a negotiation between the parties involved and no basis for a general policy. Vanda Scartezini Contact Us Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " <lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > On behalf of Aida Noblia <aidanoblia(a)gmail.com<mailto:aidanoblia@gmail.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 21:19 To: Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com<mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com> > Cc: "lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Statement Amazon vs. I CAN Thank you very much Humberto and also Carlos Gutierrez. Important topic yes. regards Aída On July 18, 2017, 12:12, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com<mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com> > Wrote: Dear All, I want to thank Carlos Raúl Gutierrez for bringing me the Final Declaration in the case "Amazon versus ICANN. https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-amazon-final-declaration-11…) I have prepared a summary of the majority opinion because it is a matter of absolute relevance for the region. The translation into Spanish I did, so forgive the mistakes. regards English Spanish Claimant Amazon EU S. arl ("Amazon") seeks independent review of the Board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN"), acting through ICANN's New gTLD Program Committee ("NGPC"), denying its Applications for top-level domain names of .amazon and its IDN equivalents in Chinese and Japanese characters.Amazon contends that in making the decision to deny its Applications, the NGPC acted in a manner that was inconsistent with and violated provisions of ICANN's Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws and / or Applicant Guidebook for gTLD domain names (collectively, ICANN's "governance documents"). ICANN contends, to the contrary, that at all times the NGPC acted consistently with ICANN's governance documents. The Applicant Amazon US S. a. RL ("Amazon") seeks an independent review of the decision Of the Board of Directors of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN"), acting through the ICANN New gTLD Program Committee ("NGPC"), denying their requests for level domain names Top of .amazon and its IDN equivalents in their Chinese and Japanese characters. Amazon submits that in making the decision to deny its requests, the NGPC acted in a manner that was inconsistent with and violated provisions of the ICANN Bylaws, Regulations and / or Applicant Guide for gTLD Domain Names (collectively, "Documents Of governance "of ICANN).ICANN maintains, on the contrary, that at all times the NGPC acted consistently with the governance documents. Conclusion conclusion Based upon the foregoing, we declare that Amazon has established that ICANN's Board, acting through the NGPC, acted in a manner inconsistent with ICANN's Bylaws, as more fully described above. Further, the GAC, as a constituent body of ICANN, failed to allow the applicant to submit any information to the GAC and thus deprived the applicant of the minimal degree of procedural fairness before issuance of its advice, as required by the Bylaws. The failure by the GAC to accord procedural fairness diminishes the presumption that would otherwise attach to its consensual advice. Based on the foregoing, we declare that Amazon has established that the ICANN Board acting through the NGPC acted inconsistently with the Bylaws, as described in more detail above.In addition, the GAC, as an ICANN body, did not allow the applicant to submit any information to the GAC and deprived the applicant of the minimum degree of procedural fairness prior to the issuance of its board as required by the Statutes. The inability of the GAC to grant procedural fairness diminishes the presumption that would otherwise be attached to its consensual advice. The Panel recommends that the Board of ICANN promptly re-evaluate Amazon's applications in light of the Panel's statements above. In its re-evaluation of the applications, the Board should make an objective and independent judgment as to whether there are, in fact, well-founded, merits-based public policy reasons for denying Amazon's applications. Further, if the Board should not proceed, the Board should explain its reasons supporting that decision. The GAC consensus advice, standing alone, can not supplant the Board's independent and objective decision with a reasoned analysis. If the Board of Directors of ICANN's Bylaws, in effect, requires the Board to meet and confer with the GAC.(See Bylaws, Article XI, § 2.1 (j).) In light of our declaration, we recommend that ICANN do so within sixty (60) days of the issuance of this Final Declaration. The Board is required to state the reasons why it is not the GAC consensus advice, we recommend the Board to quote this Final Declara tion and the reasons set forth herein. The Panel recommends that ICANN's Board of Directors re-evaluate Amazon's requests promptly in light of Panel's statements made earlier. In its reevaluation of requests, the Board must issue an objective and independent judgment as to whether there are well-founded and merit-based public policy reasons to deny Amazon's requests. In addition, if the Board determines that the requests are unfounded, the Board should explain the reasons supporting that decision. The consensus advice of the GAC, on its own, can not supplant the independent and objective decision of the Board with a reasoned analysis. If the Board determines that applications should continue, we understand that the ICANN Bylaws, in effect, require the Board to "meet and confer" with the GAC. (See Regulations, Article XI, § 2.1 (j)).In light of our statement, we recommend that ICANN do so within sixty (60) days of the issuance of this Final Statement. As the Board of Directors is required to explain why it does not follow the consensus advice of the GAC, we recommend that the Board of Directors cite this Final Statement and the reasons set forth herein. _______________________________________________ Lac-discuss-es mailing list Lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es Http://www.lacralo.org - Aida Noblia _______________________________________________ Lac-discuss-es mailing list Lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es Http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ Lac-discuss-es mailing list Lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es Http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ Lac-discuss-es mailing list Lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es Http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/09f5312c97.html --]]

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