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How to organize work till 28.01.2018
by Mirjana Tasić Dec. 11, 2018

Dec. 11, 2018

Dear GP members, It would be good to try to finish as much as we can until 28th of January 2019. We can plan then F2F meeting in the week staring on 28th of January. Then we have enough time to get new comments from IP before next ICANN meeting in March. Here is my proposal for future calls. Please consider it, and try to estimate, could we be finish our report until the end of January if we have calls more often than once in two weeks, and a pause from 20.12 till 10.01.2019 6.12, 13.12, 20.12, 10.01, 17.01, 24.01 We can add one more call on 3.1 if it is necessary. Regards Mirjana

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Weekly Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Dec. 6, 2018

Dec. 6, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for Latin GP weekly online meetings for 6, 13, 20 December 2018. The time is 16:00 UTC. Regards, Pitinan ................................. IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Weekly Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 30, 2018

Nov. 30, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for Latin GP weekly online meetings for 10, 17, 24 January 2019. The time is 16:00 UTC. Regards, Pitinan ................................. IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Summary of homework links
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 29, 2018

Nov. 29, 2018

Dear Latin GP, Please find the homework Google Doc list as follows: Hazem Hezzah https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXM4xL5xh9My1QYIVwWrJqJ6djfRr7Ncz0IyNRF… [docs.google.com]<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXM4xL5xh9My1QYIVwWrJqJ6djfRr7Ncz0IyNRF…> Bill Jouris https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> Michael Bauland https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6f_5JK5YIaoHeYSAQYJfXrW-AFnlkezJ9zwP20… Dennis https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0… Regards, Pitinan

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MSR-4 Released for Public Comment
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 27, 2018

Nov. 27, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, Maximal Starting Repertoire Version 4 (MSR-4) for Root Zone Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR) is released for public comment. Please find the public comment page at https://www.icann.org/public-comments/msr-4-2018-11-26-en. This includes three additional code points proposed by Latin GP. Kindly review, and if the GP could share your comments via the public comment platform, it would be highly appreciated. Regards, Pitinan

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AGENDA for the GP call on November the 29th, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 26, 2018

Nov. 26, 2018

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Pitinan has sent the remainder. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on November the 29th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Variant analysis - further steps and timeline * Homework from Brussels * Further steps 1. Next meeting December the 13th 2018 16:00 1. AOB

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Latin GP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 25, 2018

Nov. 25, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for Latin GP Call on Thursday 29th November 2018 at 16:00 UTC. Regards, Pitinan ................................. IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis
by Mats Dufberg Nov. 16, 2018

Nov. 16, 2018

a) grave vs. dot above: The only cases in the repertoire is ė LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DOT ABOVE and è LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE. They are kept distinct. b) œ LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE vs "oe" They are used as variants in e.g. English. In many fonts they are also quite close in rendering if the distance is disregarded. [cid:image001.png@01D47DCC.5423A6D0] c) Does the acute accent move to next character? I have not seen any examples of that. d) Does the tilde move to the next character? I have not seen any examples of that. e) Rendering of ɗ LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH HOOK vs. ď LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH CARON They are kept distinct. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Reply-To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Friday, 16 November 2018 at 00:58 To: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org>, ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Latin GP Call on Friday 16 Nov 2018, 16:00 UTC All, Please review the list of action items and provide your updates please. Thanks! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WtUcHnlIMJ9qvH4HJ3_nAqH8E2wVp74H-fX1l0q… * Mats: #3 * Meikal: #7 Also, I believe we are missing the “non-visual” analysis of diacritics, stacking, et al from Meikal and Mats. Talk to you tomorrow. Best, Dennis From: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:14 PM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Cc: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com>, Fahd Batayneh <fahd.batayneh(a)icann.org>, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Latin GP Call on Friday 16 Nov 2018, 16:00 UTC Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP online meeting on 16 November 2018. Please note that it is on Friday for this meeting. After this one, the meetings will resume on Thursdays. AGENDA for the GP call on November the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Variant analysis - further steps and timeline 1. Homework from Brussels 2. Further steps 3. Next meeting November the 22nd 2018 16:00 4. AOB Regards, Pitinan …………………………… IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Re: [Latingp] Latin GP Call on Friday 16 Nov 2018, 16:00 UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 15, 2018

Nov. 15, 2018

All, Please review the list of action items and provide your updates please. Thanks! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WtUcHnlIMJ9qvH4HJ3_nAqH8E2wVp74H-fX1l0q… * Mats: #3 * Meikal: #7 Also, I believe we are missing the “non-visual” analysis of diacritics, stacking, et al from Meikal and Mats. Talk to you tomorrow. Best, Dennis From: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:14 PM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Cc: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com>, Fahd Batayneh <fahd.batayneh(a)icann.org>, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Latin GP Call on Friday 16 Nov 2018, 16:00 UTC Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP online meeting on 16 November 2018. Please note that it is on Friday for this meeting. After this one, the meetings will resume on Thursdays. AGENDA for the GP call on November the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Variant analysis - further steps and timeline 1. Homework from Brussels 2. Further steps 3. Next meeting November the 22nd 2018 16:00 4. AOB Regards, Pitinan …………………………… IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Latin GP Call on Friday 16 Nov 2018, 16:00 UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 14, 2018

Nov. 14, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP online meeting on 16 November 2018. Please note that it is on Friday for this meeting. After this one, the meetings will resume on Thursdays. AGENDA for the GP call on November the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Variant analysis - further steps and timeline * Homework from Brussels * Further steps 3. Next meeting November the 22nd 2018 16:00 4. AOB Regards, Pitinan ................................. IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Mapping of non-valid characters to valid
by Mats Dufberg Nov. 12, 2018

Nov. 12, 2018

Is edent.℡ a valid domain? And norid.№? Well, both https://www.norid.№/ and https://edent.℡/ work in the browser. The following blog post is interesting for us: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2018/11/domain-hacks-with-unusual-unicode-characte… And https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5895 Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/

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AGENDA for the GP call on November the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 12, 2018

Nov. 12, 2018

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Pitinan will send later the remainder. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on November the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Variant analysis - further steps and timeline * Homework from Brussels * Further steps 1. Next meeting November the 22nd 2018 16:00 1. AOB

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MT- Latin in-script variant analysis - non visual
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 12, 2018

Nov. 12, 2018

Here is my homework. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZHyg35k_2eplhrGA0wy34U5TeUMi6FM-M-Im1… regards Mirjana

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in-script analysis homework
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 7, 2018

Nov. 7, 2018

Meikal, et al Can I get your feedback on my homework? Just want to make sure I’m doing what I am supposed to do. Please review my working document at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0… Also, I have a question regarding the Stacking cases. I remember we said let’s do all possible combinations… but If it is clear that the “stacking” is perfectly aligned on the first case, then we shouldn’t need to capture all possible combinations, right? See the two examples in my document. In the first iteration (with letter A) it is clear that the stacking of Circumflex and Tilde is perfect. This alignment is not dependent of the letter that follows. Thanks in advance for your input. Dennis

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In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis - Jouris
by Bill Jouris (via Google Docs) Nov. 7, 2018

Nov. 7, 2018

I've shared an item with you: In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis - Jouris https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1… It's not an attachment -- it's stored online. To open this item, just click the link above.

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Latin GP findings - Cross-script variants with Cyrillic script.
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 5, 2018

Nov. 5, 2018

Dear Cyrillic GP, Latin GP has been working on Cross-script variants with Cyrillic script. Latin GP wants to share with you two findings of Latin GP: 1. Latin GP has identified one variant set which would lead to an in-script variant in Cyrillic script LGR. 2. Latin GP has found 6 cross-script variants with Cyrillic script which were not included by Cyrillic GP. Cyrillic in-script variant finding During a thorough investigation of variants with Cyrillic script, Latin GP came to the conclusion that one Latin character, U+0079, should be a variant of two different Cyrillic characters, U+04AF and U+0443. Cyrillic GP has already classified U+0079 and U+0443 as variants. Latin GP considers U+04AF to be sufficiently similar to the other characters. This finding leads towards an in-script variant in Cyrillic script, i.e. between U+04AF and U+0443, due to the requirement of transitivity. Codepoints of this variant include: Source Unicode Name Source Code Point Source Glyph Target Glyph Target Code Point Target Unicode Name Rationale LATIN SMALL LETTER Y 0079 y ү 04AF CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER STRAIGHT U Glyphs identical due to font design LATIN SMALL LETTER Y 0079 y у 0443 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER U Homoglyph The next steps might be the discussion with IP. Latin-Cyrillic cross-script analysis findings Latin GP has identified the following cross-script variants set between Latin and Cyrillic script which are not included by Cyrillic GP Source Unicode Name Source Code Point Source Glyph Target Glyph Target Code Point Target Unicode Name Rationale 1. LATIN SMALL LETTER R 0072 r г 0433 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 2. LATIN SMALL LETTER Y 0079 y ү 04AF CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER STRAIGHT U Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 3. LATIN SMALL LETTER R WITH ACUTE 0155 ŕ ѓ 0453 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GJE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 4. LATIN SMALL LETTER R WITH STROKE 024D ɍ ғ 0493 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE WITH STROKE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 5. LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DOT BELOW 1EE5 ụ џ 045F CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DZHE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 6. LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH TILDE 1EF9 ỹ Ӯ 04EF CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER U WITH MACRON Glyphs nearly identical due to font design Best regards Mirjana Tasic Latin GP chair

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Latin GP Call on Friday 16 Nov 2018, 16:00 UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 2, 2018

Nov. 2, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP online meeting on 16 November 2018. Please note that it is on Friday for this meeting. After this one, the meetings will resume on Thursdays. Regards, Pitinan ................................. IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Next telephone conference - Friday, November 16th
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 1, 2018

Nov. 1, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, Next telephone conference will be held on Friday, November 16th. Denis is not available on Thursday 15th. After this call we shall resume calls on Thursdays again. Regards Mirjana

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Letter to Cyrillic panel modified a lot
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 1, 2018

Nov. 1, 2018

Dear GP members, I have added more text to this letter. Please look at it before today conference call, in order to finish this letter today. I want Bill and Denis to look well to English language. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qu_l6Dw5RPIQapQh4YG3DdY3Bs57wEBd2UGDuPo… Regards Mirjana

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Re: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 1, 2018

Nov. 1, 2018

Dear colleagues, I may join late today as I will have to drive in from an earlier commitment. -Dennis From: sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org When: 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM November 1, 2018 Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC Location: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Letter to Cyrillic GP https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qu_l6Dw5RPIQapQh4YG3DdY3Bs57wEBd2UGDuPo… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Discussion - Variant analysis - further steps and timeline TOPICS: 2a. Finishing Action Items from Latin GP Brussels Workshop, October 2018 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WtUcHnlIMJ9qvH4HJ3_nAqH8E2wVp74H-fX1l0q… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2b. Meikal’s drawing on paper Worksheet provided by Denis as the result of implementation of Meikal’s drawing - In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Next meeting November the 15th ,2018 16:00 4. AOB IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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