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Wordmark Paywall
by Meikal Mumin April 2, 2019

April 2, 2019

Dear colleagues, While trying to produce additional analyses for the variant section based in yesterdays discussion I noticed that word mark.it has introduced a paywall since we last used it, when trying to access Google Fonts. Maybe that is something for which we could request support from ICANN. I will put my further analysis on hold before we have resolved that issue. Best, Meikal

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Initial draft for variant analysis data in appendix D
by Meikal Mumin March 29, 2019

March 29, 2019

Dear colleagues, I have inserted an initial draft of the variant analysis data based on my own homework into appendix D of our current draft proposal. I would ask you all to take a look at it and see if you agree with the basic outer form and structure. I have added a very brief introduction on the data in that appendix to clarify what is presented. Structurally I think we need to decide on whether we want to retain the conclusions by individual members in that appendix. The findings however as descriptions of what was discovered seem helpful to me as aid to the reader and I think we should leave the findings of individual members’ analyses, even if they may not be entirely coherent in style. If the panel agrees with the outer form, I would suggest for each member to insert the data from their respective analysis into the different subsections. Then we can review the whole and make detail corrections where necessary. Best, Meikal

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 29, 2019

March 29, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP meeting on 4 April 2019 at 16:00 UTC. Regards, Pitinan ................................................. Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 28 March 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 29, 2019

March 29, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 28 March 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Create the table for cases where the right-hand side modifier of the previous character could be confusing with a left-hand side modifier of the following characterMT 2Analyse the case of Acute above and Dot above gemination for LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I (U+0131) and LATIN SMALL LETTER I (U+0069)MM This summary and the recording will soon be posted at the Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP Conference Call
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 28, 2019

March 28, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP call at the top of the hour. Thursday, 28 March 2019 at 16:00 UTC. AGENDA for the GP call on March the 28th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Action items from previous calls Item no 1. Complete URL Underlining Analysis * Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP * Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well * Consider incorporating "q" vs "g" in similarity section; mention URL underlining case * Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants * Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining) Dennis, started 2. Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposal Dennis, Meikal, Bill 3. Review "base character" analysis per assignments finish reviewing previous work Everyone 4. Further input on German Eszett by German Registries Michael. written report expected 5. Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support "l*l" (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- Michael, results from discussion with IP 6. Develop test label strategy Mats 7. Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issues Mats 8. Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next version Dennis, Mats 9. Maintenance of list of cases for additional similarity review Bill 10. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics 11. In script analysis on visual ground 3. Discussion on base characters analysis, finished homework from Michael, Mirjana, Bill, should be reviewed homework from Hazem, Meikal, Denis, Mats 4. Next meeting proposal April the 4th, 2019, 16:00 5. AOB Regards, Pitinan .......................... Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Re: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on March the 28th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis March 27, 2019

March 27, 2019

Hi Mirjana, I won’t be able to join tomorrow’s call. I’m busy with other work and have not been able to make progress on this. Sorry. Next week it’s going to be better. Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Monday, March 25, 2019 at 8:58 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on March the 28th, 2019, 16:00UTC Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on March the 28th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Action items from previous calls Item no 1. Complete URL Underlining Analysis * Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP * Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well * Consider incorporating “q” vs “g” in similarity section; mention URL underlining case * Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants * Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining) Dennis, started 2. Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposal Dennis, Meikal, Bill 3. Review “base character” analysis per assignments finish reviewing previous work Everyone 4. Further input on German Eszett by German Registries Michael. written report expected 5. Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support “l·l” (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- Michael, results from discussion with IP 6. Develop test label strategy Mats 7. Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issues Mats 8. Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next version Dennis, Mats 9. Maintenance of list of cases for additional similarity review Bill 10. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics 11. In script analysis on visual ground 3. Discussion on base characters analysis, finished homework from Michael, Mirjana, Bill, should be reviewed homework from Hazem, Meikal, Denis, Mats 4. Next meeting proposal April the 4th, 2019, 16:00 5. AOB

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AGENDA for the GP call on March the 28th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić March 25, 2019

March 25, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on March the 28th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Action items from previous calls Item no 1. Complete URL Underlining Analysis * Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP * Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well * Consider incorporating “q” vs “g” in similarity section; mention URL underlining case * Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants * Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining) Dennis, started 2. Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposal Dennis, Meikal, Bill 3. Review “base character” analysis per assignments finish reviewing previous work Everyone 4. Further input on German Eszett by German Registries Michael. written report expected 5. Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support “l·l” (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- Michael, results from discussion with IP 6. Develop test label strategy Mats 7. Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issues Mats 8. Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next version Dennis, Mats 9. Maintenance of list of cases for additional similarity review Bill 10. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics 11. In script analysis on visual ground 1. Discussion on base characters analysis, finished homework from Michael, Mirjana, Bill, should be reviewed homework from Hazem, Meikal, Denis, Mats 2. Next meeting proposal April the 4th, 2019, 16:00 3. AOB

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Latin GP Conference Call
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 25, 2019

March 25, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP call on Thursday, 28 March 2019 at 16:00 UTC. Regards, Pitinan .......................... Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 21 March 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 25, 2019

March 25, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the meeting of the Latin GP Meeting on 21 March 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Lead the online discussion to list the candidate variant code points from Hazem’s Variant Discovery AnalysisDT 2Review section 6.7.2 regarding German Eszett and provide feedback ALL Action Items from previous calls S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Complete URL Underlining Analysis Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well Consider incorporating “q” vs “g” in similarity section; mention URL underlining case Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining)DT 2Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposalDT, MM, BJ 3Review “base character” analysis per assignmentsfinish reviewing previous workALL 4Further input on German Eszett by German RegistriesMBDone 5Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support “l·l” (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- MBDone 6Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issuesMD 7Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next versionMD 8Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next versionDT 9Maintenance of list of differed cases, as for now diaresis and double acuteVolunteer needed 10In script analysis on visual groundALL This summary and the recording will soon be posted at the Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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Stacking with Combining Diacritics
by Bill Jouris March 21, 2019

March 21, 2019

Hi all, I've taken a look at the cases we have in the repertoire for which there was no pre-composed codepoint, and we have used combining diacritic marks to achieve the desired letter. Some cases are fine. Some have a serious problem. See attached. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Latin GP Conference Call
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 21, 2019

March 21, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is placeholder for the Latin GP call on 21 March 2019 at 16:00 UTC. Agenda for the Latin GP call on 21 March 2019 at 16:00 UTC. 1. Roll call 2. Action items from previous calls Item no 1. Complete URL Underlining Analysis * Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP * Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well * Consider incorporating "q" vs "g" in similarity section; mention URL underlining case * Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants * Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining) Dennis, started 2. Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposal Dennis, Meikal, Bill 3. Review "base character" analysis per assignments finish reviewing previous work Everyone 4. Further input on German Eszett by German Registries Michael. written report expected 5. Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support "l*l" (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- Michael, results from discussion with IP 6. Develop test label strategy Mats 7. Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issues Mats 8. Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next version Dennis 9. Maintenance of list of differed cases, as for now diaresis and double acute Volunteer needed 10. In script analysis on visual ground 3. Report from ICANN 64 and discussion with IP (Michael, Bill) 4. Discussion on base character homework (Item Action 3) 5. Next meeting proposal March the 28th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan .......................... Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Latin GP Conference Call
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 21, 2019

March 21, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP call today, 21 March 2019 at 16:00 UTC. Agenda for the Latin GP call on 21 March 2019 at 16:00 UTC. 1. Roll call 2. Action items from previous calls Item no 1. Complete URL Underlining Analysis * Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP * Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well * Consider incorporating "q" vs "g" in similarity section; mention URL underlining case * Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants * Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining) Dennis, started 2. Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposal Dennis, Meikal, Bill 3. Review "base character" analysis per assignments finish reviewing previous work Everyone 4. Further input on German Eszett by German Registries Michael. written report expected 5. Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support "l*l" (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- Michael, results from discussion with IP 6. Develop test label strategy Mats 7. Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issues Mats 8. Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next version Dennis 9. Maintenance of list of differed cases, as for now diaresis and double acute Volunteer needed 10. In script analysis on visual ground 3. Report from ICANN 64 and discussion with IP (Michael, Bill) 4. Discussion on base character homework (Item Action 3) 5. Next meeting proposal March the 28th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan .......................... Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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AGENDA for the GP call on March the 21st, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić March 18, 2019

March 18, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Any comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on March the 21st, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Action items from previous calls Item no 1. Complete URL Underlining Analysis * Send spreadsheet with analysis for review by IP * Focus on clear-cut cases, but make a call for other cases as well * Consider incorporating “q” vs “g” in similarity section; mention URL underlining case * Bear in mind effect of transitivity when defining variants * Cedilla and Comma Below have historic relationship; good candidate for variants (even without URL underlining) Dennis, started 2. Create clear guidelines for variant definition that can be used as references in the proposal Dennis, Meikal, Bill 3. Review “base character” analysis per assignments finish reviewing previous work Everyone 4. Further input on German Eszett by German Registries Michael. written report expected 5. Write-up proposal to include 00B7 (Middle Dot) to support “l·l” (letter L + Middle Dot + letter L) for Catalan language -- Michael, results from discussion with IP 6. Develop test label strategy Mats 7. Create test cases for dotless I vis-a-vis IDNA 2003 Compatibility issues Mats 8. Complete section for IDNA2003 compatibility issues in next version Dennis 9. Maintenance of list of differed cases, as for now diaresis and double acute Volunteer needed 10. In script analysis on visual ground 1. Report from ICANN 64 and discussion with IP (Michael, Bill) 2. Discussion on base character homework (Item Action 3) 3. Next meeting proposal March the 28th, 2019, 16:00 4. AOB

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IDN sessions on Wednesday 13 March 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 12, 2019

March 12, 2019

Dear all, A gentle reminder for the IDN sessions on Wednesday 13 March 2019 09:00 - 10:15 Room: Sapphire ICANN GDD: IDN Program Updates *Including GP Updates for Hebrew, Latin, NBGP, Myanmar* Remote Participation and more Info at https://64.schedule.icann.org/meetings/962099 15:15 - 16:45 Room: Sapphire ICANN GDD: IDN RZ-LGR Workshop *Including GP Updates for Chinese, Japanese, Korean* Remote Participation and more info at https://64.schedule.icann.org/meetings/962100 18:30 - 19:30 Room: Kairaku 1 IDN Program Cocktail Reception Regards, Pitinan

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Working Session Latin GP + IP
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 12, 2019

March 12, 2019

Dear All, This is a gentle reminder for the for the Latin GP and IP discussion during ICANN 64 at 14:00-15:00 GMT+9 at room 307 (KICC). For remote participants, kindly connect via: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692 Regards, Pitinan

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Presentation for IDN Program Update
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 11, 2019

March 11, 2019

Dear all, Please find attached the presentation for the IDN Program Update session at ICANN64 Wednesday 13 March 9:00-10:15, Sapphire Room. IDN Program Update (75 mins.) 1. Introduction 2. Overview and Progress - 20 mins 3. Update by Integration Panel - 10 mins 4. Community Updates Hebrew GP Update - 7 mins Latin GP Update - 7 mins Myanmar GP Update - 7 mins Neo-Brahmi GP Update - 7 mins 5. Q/A - 15 mins Online participants can join the meeting remotely by the information on this page https://64.schedule.icann.org/meetings/962099 Regards, Pitinan

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new character to be included in MSR
by Michael Bauland March 7, 2019

March 7, 2019

Dear Pitinan, as discussed briefly during the face-to-face meeting, the Latin GP is requesting to have the "ela geminada" used by the Catalan language to be made available for TLDs (as it's an integral part of their language). For this, we would need the middle dot (U+00B7) to be included in MSR. Of course, we would only include the character sequence U+006C U+00B7 U+006C l·l in our repertoire. Please take a look at the .cat IDN table, which already allows this character. Catalan has an EGIDS scale of 2. Best regards, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp

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Re: [Latingp] [Ext] new character to be included in MSR
by Mats Dufberg March 6, 2019

March 6, 2019

Will remote participation be possible? Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ -----Original Message----- From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, 6 March 2019 at 17:57 To: Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de>, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Cc: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] [Ext] new character to be included in MSR Dear Michael, We have booked the room at the meeting venue as follow: Working Session Latin GP + IP (Web Confirmed) 307 (KICC) Tuesday, March 12, 2019 2:00 PM - 3:00 PM I will send out the calendar invitation shortly. Regards, Pitinan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de> Date: Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 14:51 To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org> Cc: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org>, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] new character to be included in MSR Dear Saramd, On 27.02.2019 14:07, Sarmad Hussain wrote: > Dear Michael, > > I would suggest we also take the opportunity in Kobe to discuss this further > face to face with IP. of course. I would be happy to. Should we already make an appointment now or should we just meet spontaneously. I would be available the whole week from Saturday till Thursday. Maybe we could also invite some Catalan native speaker for the discussion. I know one who will also be in Kobe. See you next week, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp

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Working Session Latin GP + IP
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana March 6, 2019

March 6, 2019

Dear All, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP and IP discussion during ICANN 64. Regards, Pitinan

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