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Re: [Latingp] Final Call: Lain LGR package version 5
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Oct. 21, 2020

Oct. 21, 2020

Thanks, Pitinan. One thing I noticed is that the list of confusables (Apendix E) has not changed since the last time we reviewed it. We agreed in revising it using the visual similarity analysis; keep those with scores 1 or 2 in 4 out of 7 votes, remove everything else. Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 2:09 PM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Final Call: Lain LGR package version 5 Dear Latin GP members, Thank you for your feedback on the set of documents for LGR version 5 in OneDrive. Now the final call for comments on the document is closed. Please do not put any further comments on the online document but share any further feedback, if any, over the email. Where the comments do not affect the normative part, I’m going ahead and incorporate them. I’m working on both the main document and appendices, which might take a couple of days. The final LGR version 5 package will be shared with the GP within this week for a final look before submitting to the IP. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:26 AM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Finally Call: Lain LGR package version 5 Dear Latin GP members, The XML and its equivalent HTML are already uploaded to One Drive for your review. (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AkZhpDj508j%2DWW4&id=48AA6AACD70E3A81… [onedrive.live.com]<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1NzSNn6qL0I7kkIjWdI-VU4p1nL2VLUMirYdVOFuPIhKxJ…>) Kindly review and let us know any feedback by 19 October 2020, 12-Noon UTC. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 6:02 AM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Finally Call: Lain LGR package version 5 Dear Latin GP members, The Latin script LGR proposal and relevant appendices has been updated as per the GP conclusions made during the meetings up to 8 October 2020. Please review the files at the Latin GP One Drive, Reviewing Version folder (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AkZhpDj508j%2DWW4&id=48AA6AACD70E3A81… [onedrive.live.com]<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1NzSNn6qL0I7kkIjWdI-VU4p1nL2VLUMirYdVOFuPIhKxJ…>) and provide your feedback by 19 October 2020, 12:00 noon UTC. If there is no request to hold the submission e.g. change in the normative part. The package will send the IP on 20 October 2020. It will be version 5. Please note that the XML file will be available over the weekend. Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Final Call: Lain LGR package version 5
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 20, 2020

Oct. 20, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, Thank you for your feedback on the set of documents for LGR version 5 in OneDrive. Now the final call for comments on the document is closed. Please do not put any further comments on the online document but share any further feedback, if any, over the email. Where the comments do not affect the normative part, I’m going ahead and incorporate them. I’m working on both the main document and appendices, which might take a couple of days. The final LGR version 5 package will be shared with the GP within this week for a final look before submitting to the IP. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:26 AM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Finally Call: Lain LGR package version 5 Dear Latin GP members, The XML and its equivalent HTML are already uploaded to One Drive for your review. (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AkZhpDj508j%2DWW4&id=48AA6AACD70E3A81… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/onedrive.live.com/?authkey=*21AkZhpDj508…>) Kindly review and let us know any feedback by 19 October 2020, 12-Noon UTC. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 6:02 AM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Finally Call: Lain LGR package version 5 Dear Latin GP members, The Latin script LGR proposal and relevant appendices has been updated as per the GP conclusions made during the meetings up to 8 October 2020. Please review the files at the Latin GP One Drive, Reviewing Version folder (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AkZhpDj508j%2DWW4&id=48AA6AACD70E3A81… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/onedrive.live.com/?authkey=*21AkZhpDj508…>) and provide your feedback by 19 October 2020, 12:00 noon UTC. If there is no request to hold the submission e.g. change in the normative part. The package will send the IP on 20 October 2020. It will be version 5. Please note that the XML file will be available over the weekend. Regards, Pitinan

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Canceled: Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 14, 2020

Oct. 14, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This meeting is being cancelled due to the ICANN 69 meeting week. The Latin GP meeting will be resumed on 29 October 2020. Regards, Pitinan

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Canceled: Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 14, 2020

Oct. 14, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This meeting is being cancelled due to the ICANN 69 meeting week. The Latin GP meeting will be resumed on 29 October 2020. Regards, Pitinan

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Use of diacritic code points in Kirundi.
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 13, 2020

Oct. 13, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, We have got some response from our colleagues in Africa on the usage of Kirundi. It seems like the characters with diacritics are not generally used, please see the Kirundi news website, http://ubumwe.ppbdi.com [ubumwe.ppbdi.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/ubumwe.ppbdi.com__;!!PtGJab4!qqMZOUHWgA8d…>. They might be used in poems or other special purposes. However, based on the LGR procedure, it is clear to follow the conservatism and these could be exclude from the repertoire. If in the future there are evidence of usage, these can be added back then. This is for your consideration and decision. Code Point Glyph Name Language using the code point (in the current proposal) 00EC ì LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE Italian, Kirundi 01CE ǎ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON Kirundi 01D0 ǐ LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH CARON Kirundi 01D2 ǒ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CARON Kirundi 01D4 ǔ LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH CARON Kirundi Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Finally Call: Lain LGR package version 5
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 11, 2020

Oct. 11, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, The XML and its equivalent HTML are already uploaded to One Drive for your review. (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AkZhpDj508j%2DWW4&id=48AA6AACD70E3A81… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/onedrive.live.com/?authkey=*21AkZhpDj508…>) Kindly review and let us know any feedback by 19 October 2020, 12-Noon UTC. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2020 at 6:02 AM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Finally Call: Lain LGR package version 5 Dear Latin GP members, The Latin script LGR proposal and relevant appendices has been updated as per the GP conclusions made during the meetings up to 8 October 2020. Please review the files at the Latin GP One Drive, Reviewing Version folder (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AkZhpDj508j%2DWW4&id=48AA6AACD70E3A81… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/onedrive.live.com/?authkey=*21AkZhpDj508…>) and provide your feedback by 19 October 2020, 12:00 noon UTC. If there is no request to hold the submission e.g. change in the normative part. The package will send the IP on 20 October 2020. It will be version 5. Please note that the XML file will be available over the weekend. Regards, Pitinan

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Finally Call: Lain LGR package version 5
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 9, 2020

Oct. 9, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, The Latin script LGR proposal and relevant appendices has been updated as per the GP conclusions made during the meetings up to 8 October 2020. Please review the files at the Latin GP One Drive, Reviewing Version folder (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AkZhpDj508j%2DWW4&id=48AA6AACD70E3A81…) and provide your feedback by 19 October 2020, 12:00 noon UTC. If there is no request to hold the submission e.g. change in the normative part. The package will send the IP on 20 October 2020. It will be version 5. Please note that the XML file will be available over the weekend. Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Review the text
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 8, 2020

Oct. 8, 2020

Dear All, As requested in the previous meeting that the relevant texts that need a review should be shared on the mailing list, so all members can have some time to review. Please find the following two piece of texts for your review. 1. Section 6.1.2, last paragraph. Kindly consider the alternate term of “identical appearance by design” “Nonetheless, numerous debates took place about the precise rating between different pairs of variant candidates according to this scale. These were eventually resolved only by means of explicit rating by each active member, to establish majority decisions. However, during this very long process the GP came to the understanding that visual appearance was not the only aspect which could lead to users considering code points as variants. For pragmatic reasons, this other category, by consensus of the Panel, was understood to be included under “characters essentially having identical appearance by design”, was simply termed ‘Non-Visual Variant’, as rendered on the right-hand branch of in Diagram 1 above, and as discussed in the following sections.” 2. Section 6.1.6, third paragraph. Please see if the proposed text works. [Existing Text] “Firstly, certain diacritics may be considered conceptually the same as others by significant parts of the user community, such as dot below or a comma below.” [Proposed] “Firstly, certain diacritics may be considered conceptually the same as others by some of the user community, such as cedilla below and a comma below[4].” Note: The ‘significant parts’ is changed to ‘some’. The example provided by Meikal was Cedilla below and Comma below which will be linked as a footnote [4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedilla) , therefore the text is updated accordingly. Please see the full text in the report at https://onedrive.live.com/edit.aspx?cid=48aa6aacd70e3a81&page=view&resid=48… Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Friday, October 2, 2020 at 1:55 AM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 1 October 2020 Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 1 October 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No. Action Item Owner 1 Verify the usage of letters with diacritics in Kirundi language PK, MM 2 Revise the text in section 6.1.2 to be aligned with the variant diagram MM The recording and the note are also posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 1 October 2020
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Oct. 8, 2020

Oct. 8, 2020

Dear Meikal, As requested in the 1 Oct 2020 call. Here are the list of code points for your research. Kindly research the online articles in Kirundi e.g. Wikipedia or other sites to check whether these are used in Kirundi. Code Point Glyph Name Language using the code point (in the proposal) 00EC ì LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE Italian, Kirundi 01CE ǎ LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON Kirundi 01D0 ǐ LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH CARON Kirundi 01D2 ǒ LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CARON Kirundi 01D4 ǔ LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH CARON Kirundi Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Friday, October 2, 2020 at 1:55 AM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 1 October 2020 Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 1 October 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No. Action Item Owner 1 Verify the usage of letters with diacritics in Kirundi language PK, MM 2 Revise the text in section 6.1.2 to be aligned with the variant diagram MM The recording and the note are also posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Agenda for Latin GP call on October the 8h, 2020 16:00UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

Hi Mirjana, Tomorrow I can only attend the first half of the meeting due to a conflict with pre-ICANN69. Best, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:49 PM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Agenda for Latin GP call on October the 8h, 2020 16:00UTC Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next call. Any comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Regards Mirjana Agenda for Latin GP call on October the 8h, 2020 16:00UTC 1. Finalization of the Report, continuation from the previous call 2. During test data production Bill found the following: „In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr). It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria. Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers. Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire: U 0188 Small Letter C with Hook ƈ U 01A5 Small Letter P with Hook ƥ U 01AD Small Letter T with Hook ƭ For Kpelle we would also need to add: U 0260 Small Letter G with Hook ɠ We might pick up a couple of Variants as well. For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 3. Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter 4. Test data production My proposal with test data provided by Bill are here https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1bf4VmuDnjGvuC1gOWBZjetxo2Wl9wkIVNwWCwUYxIcPnC…> 5. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020 6. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 7. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 8. Next call October the 16th 2020, 16:00 UTC 9. AOB

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