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Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 16, 2020

July 16, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting today, Thursday 16 July 2020 at 16:00UTC. Starting in 10 minutes. The zoom link has been updated to meet the current security requirements. Please note that the password is required to join the meeting. Kindly join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Password: 1F$^iEkt$# Joining by phone, please find your local number at https://icann.zoom.us/u/axCb5NeXe Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Numeric Password: 3128045457 Regards, Pitinan

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Agenda for LatinGP Meeting 16 July 2020 16:00 UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 16, 2020

July 16, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, Please find the proposed agenda for the call today as follows: Agenda for Latin GP call on 16 July 2020 16:00UTC Finalize the decision on Latin Small Letter I (i,0069) and Latin Small Letter Dotless I (ı,0131) Currently Grave and a Hook Above producing variants with A, I, O, U, and Y. But not with E. Draft of Underlining Analysis section https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q0aMRBwo9qUPxhQYqAgNH-o-kp7GO_X46qQ2SVq… Next tasks- discuss the priorities: Report finalization XML production and correction of possible errors Test data production Review proposed confusables for Similarity review Next meeting 23 July, 2020, 16:00 UTC AOB Please feel free to let us know any suggestions/edits. Regards, Pitinan

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 9 July 2020
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 16, 2020

July 16, 2020

Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 9 July 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Share the votes for the two questions over email. HH, MM 2Initiate the test label files for repertoire testingMD The recording for this meeting and the note will soon be posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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Repertoire Question
by Bill Jouris July 15, 2020

July 15, 2020

Hi all, Forgive me if my memory is failing me. As I look thru our Repertoire, I do not see the ligature AE (æ Unicode 00E6). But neither do I find it in the list of excluded code points. Shouldn't it be in one or the other? Thanks Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 9, 2020

July 9, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting on Thursday 9 July 2020 at 16:00UTC. Kindly join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Password: 1F$^iEkt$# Joining by phone, please find your local number at https://icann.zoom.us/u/axCb5NeXe Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Numeric Password: 3128045457 Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 2 July 2020
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 9, 2020

July 9, 2020

Here the motivation was not language but visual similarity, no? On 7/9/20, 11:49 AM, "Latingp on behalf of Mats Dufberg" <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org on behalf of mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se> wrote: I do not think that this is more "language" then other considerations that we have done, eg. f and f with a tail. Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://secure-web.cisco.com/1lr0VZLUlpV7xo04A3vHiPkq3XPNdfH1dqjlgvD5Nbp6Zr… -----Original Message----- From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Reply to: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Thursday, 9 July 2020 at 16:54 To: "Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de" <Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de>, ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 2 July 2020 It is a fine line between solutions i.e. variant or no variant relationship, so I understand the disagreement. Re: The stability issue I was referring to would be one where the browsers behave in conformance to the user's locale settings. So for example, a user using a Turkish system goes to one website one day; another day the same user using a non-Turkish system (and using the same browser brand) types the same domain name but the browser resolved it to a different website, because the system locale was different. Browsers have solved for this issue, albeit at a cost for Turkish users. In my mind, since the DNS behavior is stable (due to the browser's implementation), then the only thing left is user expectation. The RZ-LGR should not cater to languages, otherwise all sort of user expectation behavior could be argued for inclusion. This is why I don't agree that a variant relationship is warranted. Again, it is a fine line. We can state all of the pros and cons and find some consensus, and move on. Dennis On 7/9/20, 4:20 AM, "Latingp on behalf of Michael Bauland" <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org on behalf of Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de> wrote: Hi all, even though I usually side with Dennis, when it comes to creating variant relations (especially regarding similar/same looking characters), I have to agree with Bill in this point. The dotless I is only used in Turkish and Azerbaijan and we've heard from those communities (we might want to check with Azerbaijan, too, before making a final decision) that there is confusion: If a capital dotless I (i.e., "our" I) is used, it is not clear to them to which lower-case I this is referring. Sure, the browsers lowercase it to i, but many other computer software lowercases it to the dotless i. Even though this is not a stability issue, as Dennis said, the behaviour in DNS is well defined and stable, it is a security issue. Therefore I think they should be variants. Regarding the question whether they're blocked or allocatable, I'd vote for having dotless I -> I: allocatable I -> dotless I: blocked Cheers, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-bnZn6-Dr_lb-jmxFuKh32IcWZWqRzjuk1ySIqN07HMzj… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://secure-web.cisco.com/1lkgMlbb5K8XJ2GM2RiJXRpcjzDzNvFK4Ek8O4UNBWbMyX…) and the website Terms of Service (https://secure-web.cisco.com/1HPr3HlZA0YZxu0pFpzYRaI22Oe-VYEY1rTNFWcfYJ3Y98…) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org https://secure-web.cisco.com/1c58LMQ960Pqb0gGsvyWSYRoaMvos6kiBXZjMtw_JbELS8… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://secure-web.cisco.com/1TleSdpmDjbiO4iAfeoNK6oQmpRz55IBDU7uovEx3L60sn…) and the website Terms of Service (https://secure-web.cisco.com/1WeuxVS3tXfiEKFix_UuxMmbgzsf95wx62Xz6Rz1uRyd4V…) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org https://secure-web.cisco.com/1c58LMQ960Pqb0gGsvyWSYRoaMvos6kiBXZjMtw_JbELS8… _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://secure-web.cisco.com/1TleSdpmDjbiO4iAfeoNK6oQmpRz55IBDU7uovEx3L60sn…) and the website Terms of Service (https://secure-web.cisco.com/1WeuxVS3tXfiEKFix_UuxMmbgzsf95wx62Xz6Rz1uRyd4V…) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 2 July 2020
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 9, 2020

July 9, 2020

All, On the action item, I researched several papers about case insensitivity and case mapping, including https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5895 , https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8264#section-5.2.3, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7790#section-2.3 which discusses the issue Turkish locale. What we found is that the application layer has solved the “local case mapping” issue by applying a context-free mapping, i.e. 0049 --> 0069, regardless of the user’s locale setting. Thus removing the ambiguity or stability issue when resolving domain names. Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:46 PM To: "latingp(a)icann.org" <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 2 July 2020 Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 2 July 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Research further to find the variant supporting rationale which is not linguistic based to avoid open up other concluded cases. DT The recording for this meeting, the updated presentation, and the note are posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1EITQdd9WRhpV4MXmeqTx-W0Bl-qV5OBaS36VLdEyGPIg0…>. Regards, Pitinan

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 2 July 2020
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 8, 2020

July 8, 2020

Dear All, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 2 July 2020. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Research further to find the variant supporting rationale which is not linguistic based to avoid open up other concluded cases.DT The recording for this meeting, the updated presentation, and the note are posted at Latin GP wiki page at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP. Regards, Pitinan

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LDH Label
by Mats Dufberg July 6, 2020

July 6, 2020

Pitinan and Dennis were right and I was wrong. In the definition of IDNA, the term "LDH Label" include both "true" ASCII LDH labels and A-labels. "True" ASCII LDH labels are called "NON-RESERVED LDH Labels" or NR-LDH labels for short. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5890#section-2.3.1 Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/

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Re: [Latingp] Agenda for Latin GP meeting on 2 July 2020 16:00UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 2, 2020

July 2, 2020

Thanks Pitinan. A few edits to consider: 1. Slide 2: instead of using “person” it should be “registry operator”, as we are referring to variant TLD labels. 2. There should be a slide explaining the issue that prompts the question about variant relationship. 3. Slide 6, between first and second bullets there should be one bullet with the question “if dotless I is included in the LGR, is a variant relationship with letter I warranted?, why?” Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:26 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org>, Cengiz Acarturk <acarturk(a)metu.edu.tr>, Cengiz Acarturk <acarturk(a)gmail.com>, "K. Erdogan" <kadir.erdogan(a)metunic.com.tr> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Agenda for Latin GP meeting on 2 July 2020 16:00UTC Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the revised version of the I and dotless I discussion material. We could you this in the call tomorrow. This is for your consideration and for any feedback. Regards, Pitinan From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 02:13 To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org>, Cengiz Acarturk <acarturk(a)metu.edu.tr>, Cengiz Acarturk <acarturk(a)gmail.com>, "K. Erdogan" <kadir.erdogan(a)metunic.com.tr> Subject: [Latingp] Agenda for Latin GP meeting on 2 July 2020 16:00UTC Dear Latin GP members, May I propose the agenda for the Latin GP call on 2 July 2020 to continue the discussion about dotless I and I with expert from Turkish. Just to briefly recap on variant and disposition concept for Cengiz and Kadir, I have developed a short presentation as attached. Kindly review for your consideration. This could be used during the discussion on Thursday. If you have any further queries, kindly let us know. Best Regard Pitinan

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