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Agenda for Latin GP call on September the 24th, 2020 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next call. Any comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Plan to finalize current version of the report for the IP review Timeline Sections to be reviewed during the week and finalized on the Thursday call 20 - 27 Aug Introduction – repertoire (Section 1-5) 28 Aug – 3 Sep In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) 4 - 10 Sep Cross-script variant and other consideration (Section 6.3.2- 6.5, and relevant appendices) 11 - 17 Sep XML and Test Labels 18 – 24 Sep Final call Regards Mirjana Agenda for Latin GP call on September the 24th, 2020 16:00UTC 1. Forth round - Report finalization In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) check for errors. DECIDE what to do with Latin small letter I with grave and Latin small Letter I with hook. See Pitinan’s mail from September 22nd, Subj: Summary of Previous discussion on consistency regarding Grave and Hook Above The files for Latin LGR package are upload to OneDrive for your review in the Reviewing Version<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhAKt0AJlaALwRWV-?e=Vw7rQA> folder. For review use 00-proposal-latin-lgr.docx <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhBuzpFngGLiLDZKp?e=0Z6DT9> and proposal-lgr-latin.html<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCcy3sS6bjj1VYas?e=aXLYLY>. 1. Report finalization – Cross-script variants and other consideration (Section 6.3.2- 6.5, and relevant appendices) 2. During test data production Bill found the following: „In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr). It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria. Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers. Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire: U 0188 Small Letter C with Hook ƈ U 01A5 Small Letter P with Hook ƥ U 01AD Small Letter T with Hook ƭ For Kpelle we would also need to add: U 0260 Small Letter G with Hook ɠ We might pick up a couple of Variants as well. For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 1. Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter 2. Test data production My proposal with test data provided by Bill are here https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn 3. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020 4. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 5. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 6. Next call October the 1st, 2020, 16:00 UTC 7. AOB

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Summary of Previous discussion on consistency regarding Grave and Hook Above
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Sept. 22, 2020

Sept. 22, 2020

Dear Latin GP As discussed in the call on 17 Sep 2020. Please find the summary of the previous discussion on consistency regarding Grave and Hook Above as follow. * IP feedback before the F2F meeting * In the latest feedback from the IP, the case of I with Grave and I with Hook Above are not specifically included as they are not marked as variant code points. * However, the IP commented on the above diacritics that “In particular, the effects of transitivity need to be considered, so as to avoid unwieldy variant sets or resulting transitive variants among diacritics that are, or should be, considered distinct.” * During the F2F meeting in Jan 2020. * The Grave and Hook above was discussed for the letter o e a u y. ( the letter ‘ i ‘ was not included in the discussion set) * By using 5 out of 7 voting mechanism, o e cases were not variant and a u y cases were variant. * The GP discussed about the consistence and agreed to keep them as is. * letter “i” was not in the discussion set and the i case are not variant according to the votes. * Latin GP Call on 21 May 2020 * The decision from the F2F meeting in the Google Sheet was reviewed. The GP went through each tab (a, e, i, o, u, consonant) and confirmed. However, the GP did not discuss the I with Grave ( ì , 00EC) and I with Hook Above ( ỉ, 1EC9) case. They remained non variants. * During the review, GP discussed the consistence of a two cases i.e. Vietnamese cases; and c, n, z acute and dot above. * The item for small letter I and I with acute was raised. The GP agreed to confirm the decision from F2F meeting as they are, and this issue will be added in the agenda for the next meetings. * As the meeting note only captured that the decision was confirmed, please listen to the recording for more detail (at 00:28:10 ~ 00:33) * Latin GP Call on 4 June 2020 * The Grave and Hook above was revisited for the letter ‘o’. Mirjana changed her vote, and the GP concluded that O with Grave and O with Hook Above were variant code points. * Latin GP Call on 16 July 2020 * The Grave and Hook above for the letter ‘e’ was discussed. The GP noted that there is inconsistence but agreed to keep the current decision for this version of the proposal. Therefore e with Grave and e with Hook Above are not variant code points. The call meeting notes and the recordings can be found at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP In addition, please note that there are two versions for the diacritic variant analysis. 1. The version that capture the decisions from the F2F meeting<https://1drv.ms/x/s!AoE6DtesaqpIg3lqQ6_iGgpBvGbs?e=ubVKCz>. It locates at the outer most of the Latin GP One Drive. File name “Visual Variants – Analysis F2F.xlsx” 2. The version that capture most recent decisions<https://1drv.ms/x/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCqbCMWkQ9GgmXTA?e=GM2T3x> e.g. O with Grave and O with Hook Above become variant. It locates in the Reviewing Version Folder, file name “Visual Variants – Diacritics 20200827.xlsx” Regards, Pitinan

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Variants -- Grave and Dot Above
by Bill Jouris Sept. 19, 2020

Sept. 19, 2020

Dear Colleagues, I would like to circle back to something we discussed in our meeting Thursday. When looking at Section 6.3.1.3 we talked about this entry: | Latin Small Letter I with Grave | 0069 | ì | ↔ | ỉ | 1EC9 | Latin Small Letter I with Hook Above | Blocked | As Dennis quite correctly noted in the Comments, we had determined that code points 0069 and 1EC9 were not variants. But as we later determined, we had found Latin Small Letter I with Grave and Latin Small Letter I with Hook Above to be variants. That's what this entry was for -- the code point names and glyphs were correct, just the Unicode number was wrong. Here's what I find fascinating. Clearly Dennis was looking closely at the entry. But closely as he was looking, even Dennis didn't notice that the glyph was Small Letter I with Grave rather than just Small Letter I. And yet, we have ruled generally that Grave and Dot Above do not create variant pairs. Something is very wrong here. Bill

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Icann 69 presentation with corrections
by Mirjana Tasić Sept. 17, 2020

Sept. 17, 2020

Dear GP members, I have corrected presentation for ICANN 69. If you find any mistakes, please let me know https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j72F0mGQ3n72zGavRNnNyFx9qQNZZKxX/view?usp=… Regards Mirjana

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Re: [Latingp] Icann 69 presentation
by Mats Dufberg Sept. 17, 2020

Sept. 17, 2020

As it looks now I think it is fine for the short presentation. Mats --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Reply to: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 at 17:30 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Icann 69 presentation Dear GP members, Please look at the draft presentation for ICANN 69. All comments and suggestions will be highly appreciated. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j72F0mGQ3n72zGavRNnNyFx9qQNZZKxX/view?usp=… Regards Mirjana

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Icann 69 presentation
by Mirjana Tasić Sept. 17, 2020

Sept. 17, 2020

Dear GP members, Please look at the draft presentation for ICANN 69. All comments and suggestions will be highly appreciated. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j72F0mGQ3n72zGavRNnNyFx9qQNZZKxX/view?usp=… Regards Mirjana

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Re: [Latingp] Icann 69 presentation
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Sept. 15, 2020

Sept. 15, 2020

Hi Mirjana, Thanks for sharing. Here are a couple of observations. * Slide 6 (current work): what does this mean? “Consider new findings of Latin glyphs which might be added to new MSR version” * Slide 7 (plan and next steps): to the extent that appendices provide the rationale and motivation for certain design decisions which IP would find useful (and perhaps necessary), shouldn’t we want to finalize the appendices before submitting the new version to the IP? The slides has it the other way around. Best, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić via Latingp <latingp(a)icann.org> Reply-To: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 11:30 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Icann 69 presentation Dear GP members, Please look at the draft presentation for ICANN 69. All comments and suggestions will be highly appreciated. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j72F0mGQ3n72zGavRNnNyFx9qQNZZKxX/view?usp=… Regards Mirjana

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Agenda for Latin GP call on September the 17th, 2020 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Sept. 15, 2020

Sept. 15, 2020

Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next call. Any comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Plan to finalize current version of the report for the IP review Timeline Sections to be reviewed during the week and finalized on the Thursday call 20 - 27 Aug Introduction – repertoire (Section 1-5) 28 Aug – 3 Sep In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) 4 - 10 Sep Cross-script variant and other consideration (Section 6.3.2- 6.5, and relevant appendices) 11 - 17 Sep XML and Test Labels 18 – 24 Sep Final call Regards Mirjana Agenda for Latin GP call on September the 17th, 2020 16:00UTC 1. Third round - Report finalization In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) check for errors. The files for Latin LGR package are upload to OneDrive for your review in the Reviewing Version<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhAKt0AJlaALwRWV-?e=Vw7rQA> folder. For review use 00-proposal-latin-lgr.docx <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhBuzpFngGLiLDZKp?e=0Z6DT9> and proposal-lgr-latin.html<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCcy3sS6bjj1VYas?e=aXLYLY>. 2. Report finalization – Cross-script variants and other consideration (Section 6.3.2- 6.5, and relevant appendices) 3. During test data production Bill found the following: „In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr). It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria. Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers. Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire: U 0188 Small Letter C with Hook ƈ U 01A5 Small Letter P with Hook ƥ U 01AD Small Letter T with Hook ƭ For Kpelle we would also need to add: U 0260 Small Letter G with Hook ɠ We might pick up a couple of Variants as well. For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 1. Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter 2. Test data production My proposal with test data provided by Bill are here https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn 3. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020 4. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 5. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 6. Next meeting September the 24th, 2020, 16:00 UTC 7. AOB

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Invitation to present updates of Latin GP at ICANN69
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Sept. 12, 2020

Sept. 12, 2020

Dear Mirjana, We would like to invite you to present an update on the work being done by the Latin GP to the members of the ICANN community and other generation panels during ICANN69 Prep Week. This will be a 7-10 minutes update during the session on IDN Program Update on 5 October 2020, at 15:00-16:00UTC. Please find attached the slide template for ICANN69 as well as the previous presentation from ICANN66 for your reference. If you could let us know your confirmation by 18 February 2020, and share the presentation by 25 February 2020, it would be highly appreciated. We look forward to your confirmation for the presentation. Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Sept. 10, 2020

Sept. 10, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the weekly Latin GP meeting on Thursday 10 Sep 2020 at 16:00UTC. Kindly join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Password: 1F$^iEkt$# Joining by phone, please find your local number at https://icann.zoom.us/u/axCb5NeXe Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Numeric Password: 3128045457 Regards, Pitinan

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We have call today 10 September 2020
by Mirjana Tasić Sept. 10, 2020

Sept. 10, 2020

Dear GP members, Some of us got the message that the Latin GP call is canceled. May be you have not seen that the date of cancelled meeting is July the 16th. We have call today. Regards Mirjana

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Canceled event: Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC @ Weekly from 18:00 to 19:00 on Thursday 10 times (EET) (latingp@icann.org)
by hhezzah.las＠gmail.com Sept. 9, 2020

Sept. 9, 2020

This event has been canceled. Title: Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting today, Thursday 16 July 2020 at 16:00UTC. Starting in 10 minutes. The zoom link has been updated to meet the current security requirements. Please note that the password is required to join the meeting. Kindly join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Password: 1F$^iEkt$# Joining by phone, please find your local number at https://icann.zoom.us/u/axCb5NeXe Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Numeric Password: 3128045457 Regards, Pitinan When: Weekly from 18:00 to 19:00 on Thursday 10 times Eastern European Standard Time - Cairo Where: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Calendar: latingp(a)icann.org Who: * hhezzah.las(a)gmail.com - organizer Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this courtesy email at the account latingp(a)icann.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future updates for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google account at https://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to send a response to the organizer and be added to the guest list, or invite others regardless of their own invitation status, or to modify your RSVP. Learn more at https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding

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Agenda for Latin GP call on 10 September 2020 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Sept. 9, 2020

Sept. 9, 2020

Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next call. Any comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Plan to finalize current version of the report for the IP review Timeline Sections to be reviewed during the week and finalized on the Thursday call 20 - 27 Aug Introduction – repertoire (Section 1-5) 28 Aug – 3 Sep In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) 4 - 10 Sep Cross-script variant and other consideration (Section 6.3.2- 6.5, and relevant appendices) 11 - 17 Sep XML and Test Labels 18 – 24 Sep Final call Regards Mirjana Agenda for Latin GP call on 10 September 2020 16:00UTC 1. Second round - Report finalization In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) check for errors. The files for Latin LGR package are upload to OneDrive for your review in the Reviewing Version<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhAKt0AJlaALwRWV-?e=Vw7rQA> folder. For review use 00-proposal-latin-lgr.docx <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhBuzpFngGLiLDZKp?e=0Z6DT9> and proposal-lgr-latin.html<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCcy3sS6bjj1VYas?e=aXLYLY>. 2. During test data production Bill found the following: „In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr). It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria. Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers. Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire: U 0188 Small Letter C with Hook ƈ U 01A5 Small Letter P with Hook ƥ U 01AD Small Letter T with Hook ƭ For Kpelle we would also need to add: U 0260 Small Letter G with Hook ɠ We might pick up a couple of Variants as well. For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 1. Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter 2. Test data production My proposal with test data provided by Bill are here https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn 3. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020 4. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 5. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 6. Next meeting 17 September, 2020, 16:00 UTC 7. AOB

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Example for interchangeable diacritics
by Meikal Mumin Sept. 3, 2020

Sept. 3, 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedilla mentions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedilla#/media/File:Modernist_Ç.png Would that do? Best, Meikal

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Latin GP Call Thursdays 16:00UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Sept. 3, 2020

Sept. 3, 2020

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting today, starting now.   Kindly join the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/98435828760 Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Password: 1F$^iEkt$# Joining by phone, please find your local number at https://icann.zoom.us/u/axCb5NeXe Meeting ID: 984 3582 8760 Numeric Password: 3128045457 Regards, Pitinan

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Agenda for Latin GP call on 3 September 2020 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Sept. 2, 2020

Sept. 2, 2020

Dear GP members, Please find enclosed the proposal of Agenda for our next call. Any comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. Plan to finalize current version of the report for the IP review Timeline Sections to be reviewed during the week and finalized on the Thursday call 20 - 27 Aug Introduction – repertoire (Section 1-5) 28 Aug – 3 Sep In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) 4 - 10 Sep Cross-script variant and other consideration (Section 6.3.2- 6.5, and relevant appendices) 11 - 17 Sep XML and Test Labels 18 – 24 Sep Final call Regards Mirjana Agenda for Latin GP call on 3 September 2020 16:00UTC 1. Report finalization In-script variant (Section 6.1 – 6.3.1.6, and relevant appendices) check for errors. The files for Latin LGR package are upload to OneDrive for your review in the Reviewing Version<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhAKt0AJlaALwRWV-?e=Vw7rQA> folder. For review use 00-proposal-latin-lgr.docx <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhBuzpFngGLiLDZKp?e=0Z6DT9> and proposal-lgr-latin.html<https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCcy3sS6bjj1VYas?e=aXLYLY>. 2. During test data production Bill found the following: „In the course of this, I came across the Serer language (ISO 639-3 srr). It isn't in our list of languages included, but it is EGIDS 5 and has roughly 1.2 million native speakers so it would appear to fit our criteria. Also the Kpelle language (ISO 639-3 kpe), which is also EGIDS 5 and has about 1.4 million native speakers. Adding Serer would entail adding 3 code points for Serer to the repertoire: U 0188 Small Letter C with Hook ƈ U 01A5 Small Letter P with Hook ƥ U 01AD Small Letter T with Hook ƭ For Kpelle we would also need to add: U 0260 Small Letter G with Hook ɠ We might pick up a couple of Variants as well. For example, a P with Hook (ƥ) resembles a Thorn (þ) far more than a P alone does. “ 1. Code points like “s” and “ട” (U+0D1F) Malayalam letter 2. Test data production My proposal with test data provided by Bill are here https://1drv.ms/t/s!AoE6DtesaqpIhCxEk8eVroNWMgZg?e=ttsQrn 3. Appendix C reordering of letters, Bill’s proposal e-mail on 23.7 2020 4. Capital Letters Discussion, Mats sent an e-mail on 23.7 2020 5. Review of the Appendix E: Confusable. 6. Next meeting 3 September, 2020, 16:00 UTC 7. AOB

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