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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 16 August 2018
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Aug. 22, 2018

Aug. 22, 2018

Dear Latin GP Members, Please find attached the summary of the meeting of Latin GP Meeting on 16 August 2018. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Review additional references for EGIDS5 languages ALL 2 Share the text which needs revision to Bill MT 3 Prepare the short list of in-script variant analysis DT This summary and the recording will be posted at the Latin GP wiki page shortly at https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP Regards, Pitinan

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Handwriting Letters
by Bill Jouris Aug. 20, 2018

Aug. 20, 2018

While thinking about Meikal's comments on the subject in Thursday's meeting, I came across this in an e-mail: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Bαnk of Americα <customer(a)bankofamerica-alert.com> To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:26 PM Subject: Notification: Confirm Your Online Banking Details Note the first two instances of a lower case letter A in the From line. Apparently someone has generated a lower case letter A in the handwritten form, and expected it to be recognized easily. The alternative being that American English has acquired a Latin Small Letter Alpha (which, note, isn't in our repertoire currently) . . . and is misspelling both "Bank" and "America" to boot. Just a little more food for thought. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Re: [Latingp] FW: IP response on Latin Repertoire 20180525
by Meikal Mumin Aug. 20, 2018

Aug. 20, 2018

Dear Mirjana, dear colleagues, I reviewed the evidence on the use of Bavarian. I had not look at which characters are used within those publications. 0115 does not occur in those sources and from what I read on the Bavarian wikipedia no standard has emerged and there is a tendency to use the German orthographic repertoire. So my analysis is that Bavarian is used - also on the internet - but that any additional signs are only used for special purposes, such as scientific transliteration. I also was unable to find any substantial evidence for other language's use, so I would suggest removing 0115. Best, Meikal On 16. Aug 2018 at 19:45, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic(a)rnids.rs> wrote: Dear Meikal, Here are the links you provided for Bavarian “Anyhow breve occurs in Bavarian, and there are samples online, such as special editions of newspapers in local varieties: http://www.aichacher-zeitung.de/vorort/dialektwoche/ https://www.tz.de/thema/tz-auf-bairisch-ere108588/ “ Further on you can find your e-mail with responses to IP comments. Regards Mirjana *From: *Latin GP <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin < meikal.mumin(a)uni-koeln.de> *Date: *Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 14:13 *To: *Michael Bauland <michael.bauland(a)knipp.de> *Cc: *Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Latingp] IP response on Latin Repertoire 20180525 Dear colleagues, I agree with Michael's suggestion to remove EGIDS5 evidence, where there is other evidence. Where it is the only source for a code point we should provide specific evidence and sources for contemporary usage. I also added numerous comments to the two documents - I would have done it on an online version preferably, but to avoid version conflicts I added comments to the word files. Several comments of mine contain suggested action items. On the whole, IP's review leaves me with the impression, that we have to work again on the repertoire. Particularly the additional evidence required for African languages will require quite a bit of work, and it is unclear to me why - as a general rule - IP seems to have higher demands towards the supporting evidence for African languages versus other languages. Best, Meikal On 26 June 2018 at 22:02, Michael Bauland <michael.bauland(a)knipp.de> wrote: Hi all, I am a bit confused by the choice of comments from the IP regarding EGIDS 5 languages: * In some occasions (e.g., 0115, Bavarian (5)) they state that the languages should be removed from the refernce (sometimes with the result of eliminating the whole character) * In some occasions (e.g., 015D, Tswa (5)) they require additional comments for those languages. * In some occasions (e.g., 1E5B, Kabyle (5)) the languages are accepted without complaint from IP. I guess, according to our statement "Languages with EGIDS 5 may be included in special cases where there is additional evidence that it is in widespread use" we should alter our table as follows: * remove EGIDS 5 languages, if other at least two other references are available wiht higher score * keep EGIDS 5 languages, if there is one or no other reference available * add a comment to prove its widespread use for all remaining EGIDS 5 langauges Cheers, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp

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Latin In-Script Variants
by Bill Jouris Aug. 19, 2018

Aug. 19, 2018

Hi folks, At our meeting last Thursday, Dennis mentioned in passing that there were “only a few” in-scriptvariants for Latin. I think this isseriously incorrect. You may recallthat, at our face-to-face meeting in Brussels last winter, Sarmad expanded thisspreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF7… include atab for each letter of the Latin alphabet, and created tables (in each of ourthree fonts) for the variations of each letter. (I am still in awe that he managed to do the whole thing in under anhour!) I’ve made a few additions to thetables: - I’veadded rows and columns for the code points (e.g. from Esperanto) that have beenadded to our repertoire since then. - I’veput a few codepoints in additional places. For example, ł (0142 Latin Small LetterL with Stroke) is still with the letter L, but it also got added to the tab forthe letter T. My thought being that, forthose who do not know Polish and so are unfamiliar with the codepoint, it wouldautomatically be read as a T. - I’ve added a column giving the Unicode code foreach glyph. That should give us a head start, when we got to create a table of variants. In addition, I’ve taken a stab at rating each pair. (I’m still slogging thru the letter O. But the rest are done.) I have found that it is extremely helpful to highlight theindividual entries: 1 is highlighted in blue, 2 in green, 3 in yellow. That way, it is far easier to find things inthe sea of ratings. So far, I have over 25 Variants that I would rate as a 1, andan additional 140+ that I would rate as a 2. (And, as noted, I've still got the 23 Letter O codepoints to work thru.) Obviously we need a second pair of eyes to look over each case. But it’s a start. Clearly this isn’t something that we are going to just whipthru in a week or two. However,if Mirjana is willing, it occurs to me that we can offer up what I’ve got inthe DRAFT that we are sending to the IP at the end of the month. It won't be our final opinion, of course, but it will at least give them something on which to base feedback – if theydisagree with where I’ve gone, they can tell us, so we can make corrections inour face-to-face meeting. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Aug. 17, 2018

Aug. 17, 2018

Dear Latin GP members , This is a placeholder for the Latin GP meeting on August the 23rd, 2018, 16:00UTC. Regards, Pitinan ---------------------------- Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Variant update
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Aug. 15, 2018

Aug. 15, 2018

Dear Latin GP, I have updated the Latin-Cyrillic Working Document based on the latest conversation (e.g. resolution , new cases, etc), but there are still pending cases based on member’s input. The working documents for Greek and Armenian with pending cases for resolution are also available for comments. Cyrillic: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ontc-amdQ_dFCRCc9oHBvotjwIhYc8xEM1OBn5y… Greek: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jQz-X7wk_Um-vpL2D2PjaTEs2Iq7zGVJd8PCt0A… Armenian: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FUPNDwJUq9cvHAqgIIzpgAYeaLhmbdDwsr0mgi4… We can review these documents in our call tomorrow. Thanks, -Dennis

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Aug. 13, 2018

Aug. 13, 2018

Dear Latin GP members , Please find the agenda for the next Latin GP meeting as follows: AGENDA for the GP call on Thursday August the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. IP comments on repertoire - final discussion * Document with list of tasks to be fulfilled, and some comments https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DhK_YyksaKbNtJ-vN_Q4gsucIpCUt80o2b01Ecc… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> * New version of the Report with almost all comments from IP resolved https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rXd6ffnbD2BQa3HRvtJcNJDqZ58vaCPr5jzj47S… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization -STATUS 4. Finalization of the Report with Repertoire and Variants * Finalization of the Repertoire * Checking the final Repertoire * Finalization of all variants table * Updating references * Production of test label file 5. Next telephone conference August the 30th 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan ---------------------------- Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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AGENDA for the GP call on August the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić Aug. 13, 2018

Aug. 13, 2018

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. Regards Mirjana AGENDA for the GP call on August the 16th, 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. IP comments on repertoire - final discussion * Document with list of tasks to be fulfilled, and some comments https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DhK_YyksaKbNtJ-vN_Q4gsucIpCUt80o2b01Ecc… * New version of the Report with almost all comments from IP resolved https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rXd6ffnbD2BQa3HRvtJcNJDqZ58vaCPr5jzj47S… 1. Latin/Cyrillic cross-script Variants finalization -STATUS 1. Finalization of the Report with Repertoire and Variants * Finalization of the Repertoire * Checking the final Repertoire * Finalization of all variants table * Updating references * Production of test label file 2. Next telephone conference August the 30th 3. AOB

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Variants Meetings
by Bill Jouris Aug. 9, 2018

Aug. 9, 2018

I have a small confusion. Mirjana has made it very clear that she would like us to have a draft on Variants ready by the end of September. And yet, we are currently only meeting every second week, rather than every week. Why the leisurely pace? Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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[lgr] Fwd: [Ext] Fwd: ICANN News Alert -- Proposals for Kannada, Oriya and Telugu Scripts' Root Zone Label Generation Rules
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Aug. 9, 2018

Aug. 9, 2018

Dear All, We are pleased to announce that the Neo-Brahmi GP has finalized and published Root Zone LGR proposals for three scripts: Kannada, Telugu and Oriya. See below for further details (see the complete list of proposals published here<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-proposals-2015-12-01-en>). We look forward to the comments and feedback from the community. Regards, Sarmad [ICANN][icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org_&d=DwMFaQ…> News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-08-08-en [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…> ________________________________ Proposals for Kannada, Oriya and Telugu Scripts' Root Zone Label Generation Rules 8 August 2018 Open Date: 8 August 2018 Close Date: 20 September 2018 Originating Organization: Global Domains Division Categories/Tags: Top-Level Domains Brief Overview: The Neo-Brahmi Script Generation Panel (NBGP) was formed by nine communities that use scripts derived from the Brahmi script. NBGP is developing Root Zone Label Generation Rules (LGR) for Bengali, Devanagari, Gujarati, Gurmukhi, Kannada, Malayalam, Oriya, Tamil and Telugu scripts. The GP is publishing the proposals for the LGRs of these nine scripts in three sets, releasing proposals for the scripts which share cross-script variant code points together to the extent possible. The first set is already undergoing public comment and the second set, being released now, includes the following proposals: (1) Proposal for the Kannada Script Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone, (2) Proposal for the Oriya Script Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone, and (3) Proposal for the Telugu Script Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. As per the LGR Procedure [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_syste…>, these proposals are being posted for public comments to allow those who have not participated in the NBGP to make their views known. Based on the feedback, the NBGP will finalize each proposal for its evaluation and integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. Link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/kannada-oriya-telugu-lgr-2018-08-08-en [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2…> _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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