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Appendix D contributions
by Mirjana Tasić Aug. 4, 2019

Aug. 4, 2019

Dear GP members, I have done my homework, and I have uploaded my contribution and contributions from MB and DT to Google docs folder. If there are problems in accessing them, please give me a note. Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> I have added the case SMALL LETTER SCHWA vs LATIN SMALL LETTER A for discussion. In some fonts they are similar. Regards Mirjana

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Re: [Latingp] IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1
by Mats Dufberg Aug. 2, 2019

Aug. 2, 2019

Dennis, I like your slides but I have two comments on slide one: * When user inputs "something.fass" no IDNA is involved since it is a pure ASCII TLD label. In that scenario there are not two cases, just one. It is confusing to refer to IDNA. * In Option 2 I still think it is unfair to flag "addresses failure of service" as red. I think orange is more reasonable. As you show on slide two, just because there is the possibility of variant, it might not be activated by the RO and registrant, respectively. But there is still the possibility, in contrast to Option 3. In slide two you display the .fass variant as a three-way choice, but in reality, to the effect on failure of service it is only a two-way choice, either .fass is in DNS (active) or .fass is not in DNS (not active). There could be different reasons why it is not active in DNS, but that is not interesting for possible failure of service. The same discussion is applicable for next level, possibl example.fass. When example.fass is active in DNS, and we assume that example.faß (with sharp S) is also active, then things do not necessarily works as we want anyway. It also requires that the registrant succeeds in making the two domains show the same content. Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Reply to: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Thursday, 1 August 2019 at 20:09 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1 All, URL of the slides we reviewed today https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP… Dennis

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IDNA2003 compatibility issues slides 8/1
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Aug. 1, 2019

Aug. 1, 2019

All, URL of the slides we reviewed today https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pey1tE1q3KnvbKtiSjaUNsaVC_AXhwmaLgP… Dennis

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 31, 2019

July 31, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for Latin GP meeting on Thursdays 1 August 2019 at 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525. AGENDA for the GP call on 1 August 2019 at 16:00 UTC. 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Finalization of the topic "Sharp s vs ss", page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal 1st August 2019, 16:00 UTC 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan REMINDERS 1. Latin GP - Report version 5 schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 2. Meikal's Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 3. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 5. Bill's table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 7. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 25 July 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 29, 2019

July 29, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 25 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Prepare to discuss the WDM table in the next meetingALL 2Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. *HH, BJ, MM, MD, MT *The assignment by Dennis and Michael were shared on the mailing list. ** The Wordmark.it account should be ready for all seven members. I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here. NoItemGP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis)6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa7 (Mirjana) Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 25, 2019

July 25, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting today Thursday 25 July 2019, 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525 [icann.zoom.us]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.zoom.us_j_922577…>. AGENDA for the GP call on July the 25th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Finalization of the topic "Sharp s vs ss", page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal 1st August 2019, 16:00 UTC 6. AOB Regards, Pitinan REMINDERS 1. Latin GP - Report version 5 schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 2. Meikal's Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 3. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 5. Bill's table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 7. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>

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Weighted Decision Matrix
by Michael Bauland July 24, 2019

July 24, 2019

Hi all, as I shortly already mentioned at last week's call, I think the decision matrix and its weight is still flawed. I think the items "Prevents denial of service" (1) and "Prevents misconnection" (2) are strongly connected to the item "Usability (Predictable label resolution)" (4). If DoS is not prevented then it logically follows that the label resolution is not always predictable: sometimes I will not reach anything. Similarly, if misconnection is not prevented, then also the label resolution is not always predictable: sometimes I will reach a different target than I expected. Especially in our context of the ß, these items are (almost) a logical equivalence: (1) or (2) <=> (4) Or what other factors for unpredictable label resolution are there, that are not covered by either (1) or (2)? I can't think of any right now. If the above really is the case, we would need to drop item (4) from the matrix as it's already covered by (1) and (2). Talk to you tomorrow, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland(a)knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 18 July 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 18, 2019

July 18, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 18 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Prepare to discuss the WDM table in the next meeting ALL 2Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. *HH, BJ, MM, MD, MT *The assignment by Dennis and Michael were shared on the mailing list. I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here. NoItemGP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis)6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa7 (Mirjana) Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 11 July 2019
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis July 18, 2019

July 18, 2019

Assignments 3 and 9 enclosed From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 10:11 AM To: Latin GP <latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 11 July 2019 Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 11 July 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. This summary and the recording are also posted at the Latin wiki page.<https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/latin+GP> Action Items S. No. Action Items Owner 1 Review the flowchart in Appendix: IDNA Compatibility: Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) U+00DF<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Asf9ecnyX4rkK3pyQMzDuH8YY5-eXw8quZ6guDi…> ALL 2 Conduct the variant analysis using Wordmark.it as assigned in the meeting note 4 July 2019. ALL I also reattached the assignment from 4 July 2019 note here No Item GP member 1. Shape: Ring above vs Hook Above 1 (Hazzem) 2. Shape: Ring above vs Dot Above 2 (Michael) 3. Shape: Caron vs Horn above 3 (Dennis) 4. Stacking: Circumflex (above) and dot below 4 (Bill) 5. Stacking: Breve above and dot below 5 (Meikal) 6. Stacking: Grave and dot below 6 (Mats) 7. Stacking: Acute and dot below 7 (Mirjana) 8. Stacking: Horn and Acute above 1 (Hazzem) 9. Stacking: Horn and Tilde above 3 (Dennis) 10. Stacking: Horn and Dot below 4 (Bill) 11. Stacking: Acute vs non acute 5 (Meikal) 12. IDNA Compatibility: i vs dotless i (overlaps with base character analysis) 6 (Mats) 13. IDNA Compatibility: Sharp s vs sequence ss 2 (Michael) 14. Visual analysis : turned e vs schwa 7 (Mirjana) For the five remaining wordmark.it accounts, we are working closely with the wordmark.it founder to get the account activated. We should have them available soon. We will inform you as soon as we have further information. Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 18, 2019

July 18, 2019

Dear Latin GP member, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP meeting today Thursday 18 July 2019, 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/922577525. AGENDA for the GP call on July the 18th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Finalization of the topic "Sharp s vs ss", page 61 in the Report 4. Stacking with combining diacritics [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> - discussion 5. Next meeting proposal July the 25th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB Note from Mirjana: I might not be available for this call, it depends on internet infrastructure in the place where I shall be next two weeks. I am asking Dennis to chair the call if I am not available. Regards, Pitinan REMINDERS 1. Latin GP - Report version 5 schedule [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> 2. Meikal's Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 3. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 4. Trello board with In-script analysis items [trello.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trello.com_c_BoKkXTzF_…> 5. Bill's table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 6. Bill's finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 7. Dennis contribution Appendix: IDNA Compatibility - Latin Small Letter Sharp S (ß) 00DF [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>

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