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MT- Latin in-script variant analysis - non visual
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 12, 2018

Nov. 12, 2018

Here is my homework. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZHyg35k_2eplhrGA0wy34U5TeUMi6FM-M-Im1… regards Mirjana

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in-script analysis homework
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 7, 2018

Nov. 7, 2018

Meikal, et al Can I get your feedback on my homework? Just want to make sure I’m doing what I am supposed to do. Please review my working document at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0… Also, I have a question regarding the Stacking cases. I remember we said let’s do all possible combinations… but If it is clear that the “stacking” is perfectly aligned on the first case, then we shouldn’t need to capture all possible combinations, right? See the two examples in my document. In the first iteration (with letter A) it is clear that the stacking of Circumflex and Tilde is perfect. This alignment is not dependent of the letter that follows. Thanks in advance for your input. Dennis

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In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis - Jouris
by Bill Jouris (via Google Docs) Nov. 7, 2018

Nov. 7, 2018

I've shared an item with you: In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis - Jouris https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1… It's not an attachment -- it's stored online. To open this item, just click the link above.

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Latin GP findings - Cross-script variants with Cyrillic script.
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 5, 2018

Nov. 5, 2018

Dear Cyrillic GP, Latin GP has been working on Cross-script variants with Cyrillic script. Latin GP wants to share with you two findings of Latin GP: 1. Latin GP has identified one variant set which would lead to an in-script variant in Cyrillic script LGR. 2. Latin GP has found 6 cross-script variants with Cyrillic script which were not included by Cyrillic GP. Cyrillic in-script variant finding During a thorough investigation of variants with Cyrillic script, Latin GP came to the conclusion that one Latin character, U+0079, should be a variant of two different Cyrillic characters, U+04AF and U+0443. Cyrillic GP has already classified U+0079 and U+0443 as variants. Latin GP considers U+04AF to be sufficiently similar to the other characters. This finding leads towards an in-script variant in Cyrillic script, i.e. between U+04AF and U+0443, due to the requirement of transitivity. Codepoints of this variant include: Source Unicode Name Source Code Point Source Glyph Target Glyph Target Code Point Target Unicode Name Rationale LATIN SMALL LETTER Y 0079 y ү 04AF CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER STRAIGHT U Glyphs identical due to font design LATIN SMALL LETTER Y 0079 y у 0443 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER U Homoglyph The next steps might be the discussion with IP. Latin-Cyrillic cross-script analysis findings Latin GP has identified the following cross-script variants set between Latin and Cyrillic script which are not included by Cyrillic GP Source Unicode Name Source Code Point Source Glyph Target Glyph Target Code Point Target Unicode Name Rationale 1. LATIN SMALL LETTER R 0072 r г 0433 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 2. LATIN SMALL LETTER Y 0079 y ү 04AF CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER STRAIGHT U Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 3. LATIN SMALL LETTER R WITH ACUTE 0155 ŕ ѓ 0453 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GJE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 4. LATIN SMALL LETTER R WITH STROKE 024D ɍ ғ 0493 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE WITH STROKE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 5. LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DOT BELOW 1EE5 ụ џ 045F CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DZHE Glyphs nearly identical due to font design 6. LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH TILDE 1EF9 ỹ Ӯ 04EF CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER U WITH MACRON Glyphs nearly identical due to font design Best regards Mirjana Tasic Latin GP chair

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Latin GP Call on Friday 16 Nov 2018, 16:00 UTC
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana Nov. 2, 2018

Nov. 2, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP online meeting on 16 November 2018. Please note that it is on Friday for this meeting. After this one, the meetings will resume on Thursdays. Regards, Pitinan ................................. IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… [myrcplus.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.myrcplus.com_cnums…> Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Next telephone conference - Friday, November 16th
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 1, 2018

Nov. 1, 2018

Dear Latin GP members, Next telephone conference will be held on Friday, November 16th. Denis is not available on Thursday 15th. After this call we shall resume calls on Thursdays again. Regards Mirjana

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Letter to Cyrillic panel modified a lot
by Mirjana Tasić Nov. 1, 2018

Nov. 1, 2018

Dear GP members, I have added more text to this letter. Please look at it before today conference call, in order to finish this letter today. I want Bill and Denis to look well to English language. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qu_l6Dw5RPIQapQh4YG3DdY3Bs57wEBd2UGDuPo… Regards Mirjana

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Re: [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 1, 2018

Nov. 1, 2018

Dear colleagues, I may join late today as I will have to drive in from an earlier commitment. -Dennis From: sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org When: 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM November 1, 2018 Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC Location: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Letter to Cyrillic GP https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qu_l6Dw5RPIQapQh4YG3DdY3Bs57wEBd2UGDuPo… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Discussion - Variant analysis - further steps and timeline TOPICS: 2a. Finishing Action Items from Latin GP Brussels Workshop, October 2018 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WtUcHnlIMJ9qvH4HJ3_nAqH8E2wVp74H-fX1l0q… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2b. Meikal’s drawing on paper Worksheet provided by Denis as the result of implementation of Meikal’s drawing - In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 3. Next meeting November the 15th ,2018 16:00 4. AOB IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Re: [Latingp] Variants
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Oct. 29, 2018

Oct. 29, 2018

Hi Mats, I did attend the ccNSO session on IDN Homographs. While the presentation was given by SSAC members, the information or analysis were not produced by SSAC. They used an “off-the-shelf” third-party’s data, so I would take the information with a bit grain of salt. I did not find a SSAC report. I found their definitions of homoglyph and homograph a bit loose. The dictionary defines homograph as “one of two or more words spelled alike but different in meaning or derivation or pronunciation (such as bow of a ship, a bow and arrow)”. As far as “very similar”, I read this as “nearly identical due to font design”. The example they use (a and ã) would not fall in the very similar, but distinguishable category, in my opinion. -Dennis From: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Date: Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 2:34 AM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com>, "Latingp(a)icann.org" <Latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Variants Dennis, Thank you for adding those bullets. At the first glance I read them as ANDs but of course they should be read as ORs. Speaking of homoglyphs, SSAC had a presentation at the ccNSO Tech Day Monday. I did not attend since it collided with some IDN meeting, but I have looked at the presentation. In the presentation they have one slide on homoglyphs and homographs. From the slide 10: ◉ Homoglyph One of two or more glyphs with shapes that appear identical or very similar a ã https://static.ptbl.co/static/attachments/191691/1540208800.pdf?1540208800 Please note "appear identical", not "are identical". And also "very similar". The message here is quite different from the first message from IP. Please view the presentation and especially slide 17. I have not looked for an equivalent SSAC report. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Wednesday, 24 October 2018 at 19:56 To: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se>, ICANN Latin GP <Latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Variants Mats, thanks for the summary. I believe it’s an accurate account of our action items. On #4 there’s some additional nuance. In regards, similarity vs variant, they pointed out to limit considerations of appearance to cases that: - are unambiguous - have overriding security concerns - exhibit true exchangeability (homoglyph) They also mentioned that when looking at similarity cases we should look at those through the lenses of a “careful and observant user”. -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg(a)iis.se> Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 12:48 PM To: ICANN Latin GP <Latingp(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] Variants Friends, During the ICANN63 we had one specific session between Latin GP and IP, but there have more IDN sessions where comments relevant to our work has come up. 1. IP wants us to create cross-script variants with all code points in different scripts that has identical or visually similar to LATIN SMALL LETTER O. IP gave the following list in their presentation today: Code Glyph Name 006F o LATIN SMALL LETTER O 03BF ο GREEK SMALL LETTER OMICRON 043E о CYRILLIC SMALLER LETTER O 0585 օ ARMENIAN SMALL LETTER OH 0B20 ଠ ORIYA LETTER TTHA 0D20 ഠ MALAYALAM LETTER TTHA 101D ဝ MYANMAR LETTER WA IP that a GP has the responsibility to look at other GP's proposals, both completed and work-in-progress, for obvious cases of visual similarity. 2. Besides the "ring" above, they want us to look for the straight line, i.e. l like. 3. IP suggests that we include cases of visually similarity that we have decided to reject in an appendix of two reasons: Firstly to show the reader that we have considered the case, but decided not to included it as variant. In that way we might get less questions during public comment if the we have looked at certain pair. Secondly to give data for others, such as for a 2nd level IDN table creation. I know that we have decided to do it, but I just want to emphasize that it came up. 4. I feel that there is more understanding on creating variants on visual similarity rather than strict homoglyphs. Other GP propose such in-script variants. Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/

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AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC
by Sarmad Hussain Oct. 29, 2018

Oct. 29, 2018

AGENDA for the GP call on November the 1st , 2018, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. Letter to Cyrillic GP https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qu_l6Dw5RPIQapQh4YG3DdY3Bs57wEBd2UGDuPo… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 1. Discussion - Variant analysis - further steps and timeline TOPICS: 2a. Finishing Action Items from Latin GP Brussels Workshop, October 2018 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WtUcHnlIMJ9qvH4HJ3_nAqH8E2wVp74H-fX1l0q… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2b. Meikal's drawing on paper Worksheet provided by Denis as the result of implementation of Meikal's drawing - In-Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 1. Next meeting November the 15th ,2018 16:00 1. AOB IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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