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Re: [Latingp] Digraphs
by Abdeslam Nasri May 16, 2016

May 16, 2016

Dear Chris and Colleagues, Digraphs or more generally sequences of code points, can be specified as variants of a single code point. An excerpt from the LAGER specification : " A sequence of multiple code points can be specified as a variant of a single code point. For example, the sequence of LATIN SMALL LETTER O (U+006F) then LATIN SMALL LETTER E (U+0065) might hypothetically be specified as a variant for an LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS (U+00F6) as follows: <char cp="00F6"> <var cp="006F 0065"/> </char> " In the typical case of digraphs these are named precomposed versus decomposed formats of a single letter. Normalization should exist in Unicode in order to allow these variants, or otherwise block them. Kind Regards, Abdeslam NASRI 2016-05-09 15:43 GMT+02:00 Dillon, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk>: > Dear Meikal, > > > > Thank you for your thoughts on digraphs. > > > > In that case, we would have blocked variants like i, dotless i and iota, > where application for a label containing one, would block applications for > labels containing any of the others. > > > > We would also have blocked variants, digraphs like ĳ, which could never > be allocated at all. If we need to do this, it will be necessary to > describe variants for ligature code points we have not yet analysed in the > Latin ranges, as they aren’t in MSR2. > > > > (This distinction is what I was finding difficult during the face-to-face > meeting in Marrakech.) > > > > Incidentally, I’m fairly sure two code points could be a variant of one. ( > I wonder what happens with the Arabic ligature of laam and alif that looks > like Greek gamma; in Urdu the two do not combine so closely, if at all.) > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris. > > -- > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, > UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) > www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon > > > > *From:* Meikal Mumin [mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de] > *Sent:* 09 May 2016 09:38 > *To:* Dillon, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk> > *Cc:* latingp(a)icann.org > *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] Digraphs > > > > Dear Chris and colleagues, > > > > apologies for the late reply. I believe we don't need to exclude digraphs. > We could simply set them up as variants, e.g. ĳ as equivalent of i + j. It > could be useful to verify with IP, if it is possible to declare a sequence > of two code-points as a variant of one - we had not encountered such a case > with Arabic script. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Meikal > > > > 2016-03-29 9:54 GMT+02:00 Dillon, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk>: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Mirjana’s recent research on Montenegrin has raised some interesting > issues. > > > > One of them is diagraphs. > > Currently we have digraphs like æ and œ in our repertoire, but Dutch ĳ > (U+0133) as in vĳf ‘five’ is white in MSR-2 (not compatible with IDNA > 2008). Certainly many digraphs, including ĳ are visually similar to their > component letters. We could consider adding all digraphs to the list of > criteria for exclusion, or adding them with exceptions (less good from a > usability point of view). Incidentally, ß and & are probably excluded for > other reasons, Longevity Principle and Punctuation, respectively. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Français: Qu’est-ce qu’on devrait faire avec les digraphs dans notre > répertoire – les permettre ou pas? > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris. > > … > > _______________________________________________ > Latingp mailing list > Latingp(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp > > -- Cordialement, Abdeslam NASRI

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No LGP meeting today
by Dillon, Chris May 14, 2016

May 14, 2016

Dear colleagues, Just to say there is no meeting today. One thing I would welcome your thoughts on is whether we release our draft repertoire, Eurocentric as it is, for public comment, or whether we wait for the IP's comments on the draft proposal and the 2nd Level Team's work to become public. Français: Il n'y a pas de téléconférence aujourd'hui. Est-ce que vous pensez que nous devrions inviter des comments sur notre répertoire, ou est-ce qu'on devrait attendre jusqu'à ce que l'IP ne fasse ses comments et que le groupe qui fait le travail au 2ème niveau n'ait fini? Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Digraphs
by Dillon, Chris May 9, 2016

May 9, 2016

Dear colleagues, Mirjana’s recent research on Montenegrin has raised some interesting issues. One of them is diagraphs. Currently we have digraphs like æ and œ in our repertoire, but Dutch ĳ (U+0133) as in vĳf ‘five’ is white in MSR-2 (not compatible with IDNA 2008). Certainly many digraphs, including ĳ are visually similar to their component letters. We could consider adding all digraphs to the list of criteria for exclusion, or adding them with exceptions (less good from a usability point of view). Incidentally, ß and & are probably excluded for other reasons, Longevity Principle and Punctuation, respectively. What do you think? Francais: Qu’est-ce qu’on devrait faire avec les digraphs dans notre repertoire - les permettre ou pas? Regards, Chris. == Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Draft panel formation proposal submitted
by Dillon, Chris May 5, 2016

May 5, 2016

Dear colleagues, Thank you for your edits on the draft panel formation proposal. There was nothing major. A new version, 10, attached, has been sent to the IP for informal comment, as promised. Français: Merci pour vos comments sur le document pour former notre groupe officiellement. Comme je l'ai vous promis, j'ai envoyé une nouvelle version, numéro 10 attachée, au IP. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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New version of panel formation proposal and notes from yesterday's meeting
by Dillon, Chris May 3, 2016

May 3, 2016

Dear colleagues, Please find attached a version of the draft panel formation proposal that should include all the edits we agreed yesterday. Please find notes from the meeting here: https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/26+April+2016 I think it makes sense to extend the deadlines for final comments before submission from this Friday to UTC 23:59 next Wednesday, May 4. I have amended the work schedule accordingly. Français: Voici une nouvelle version du document avec nos discussions d'hier réalisées là dedans et aussi des annotations sur la réunion. Dites-moi avant 23:59 UTC Mercredi 4ème mai, si vous avez des changes pour le document. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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LGP meeting at 16:00 UTC on 26 April 2016 (Preparation of panel formation proposal for informal comment by IP)
by Dillon, Chris April 25, 2016

April 25, 2016

Dear colleagues, Please find below the agenda for tomorrow's (Tuesday 26 April's at 16:00 UTC) meeting. 1. Attendance 2. Work schedule 3. Preparation of panel formation proposal v.8 (.docx<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/58739265/Proposal%20for%20…>) (.pdf<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/58739265/Proposal%20for%20…>) for informal comment by IP 4. AOB 5. DoNM Français: Pendant la téléconférence demain on éditera le document pour former notre groupe pour la dernière fois avant de l'envoyer au IP pour leurs comments informels. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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LatinGP Meeting 26 April
by Alireza Saleh April 25, 2016

April 25, 2016

Please find below the agenda for Tuesday 26 April's at 16:00 UTC meeting. 1. Attendance 2. Work schedule 3. Preparation of panel formation proposal v.8 (.docx<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/58739265/Proposal%20for%20…>) (.pdf<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/58739265/Proposal%20for%20…>) for informal comment by IP 4. AOB 5. DoNM Fran?ais: Pendant la t?l?conf?rence demain on ?ditera le document pour former notre groupe pour la derni?re fois avant de l'envoyer au IP pour leurs comments informels.

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Preparation for Tuesday's LGP meeting
by Dillon, Chris April 22, 2016

April 22, 2016

Dear colleagues, I have only received minor edits on the short CVs and so I shall not create a new version of the panel formation proposal document before next week's meeting. Please find it attached for your convenience. It will be the main agenda point on Tuesday. I shall send a new version (9) to the IP for informal comments soon after our meeting. Français: Il n'y aura pas une nouvelle version du document avant mardi. Voice la version qu'on discutira pendant la téléconférence. Après la téléconférence, j'enverrai une nouvelle version au IP pour leurs comments informels. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Draft panel formation proposal v.8
by Dillon, Chris April 20, 2016

April 20, 2016

Dear colleagues, I have made unexpectedly good progress with the draft panel formation proposal, and so please find it attached, although there are still two days before the deadline (14:00 UTC on Friday 22) for edits on the membership part of it. Actually I'm grateful for any improvements. The intention is to have one last look at this document during our meeting on Tuesday 26 at UTC 16:00 and then submit it for informal comments by the IP. Français: Voici la huitième version du document pour former notre groupe officiellement. Après notre téléconférence prochaine, on le donnera au IP. Il y reste encore deux jours (jusqu'à 14:00 UTC au vendredi 22ème) pour vos améliorations sur la liste des membres, etc. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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LGP membership
by Dillon, Chris April 19, 2016

April 19, 2016

Dear colleagues, This morning I have been doing some work on the membership part of the panel formation proposal. I shall promote myself to Chair for the draft proposal, as it looks odd to have one Co-Chair. Please check your entry (is this how you want to appear?) and whether there is a short CV for you by UTC 14:00 on Friday 23. For the draft proposal, those without short CVs will become Observers, so please send me a short CV if you would like to be a member. I shall then synchronise the list on the wiki and put the latter in alphabetical order. Français: Je suis en train d'éditer la liste de nos membres. Verifiez bien que vous apparaissez comme vous le voulez et dites-moi si pas avant 14:00h vendredi 23ème avril. À l'étage prochaine, les membres sans CVs deviendront les observateurs. Pour éviter ça, envoyez-moi un court CV si vous voulez rester un member. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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