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Latin GP weekly meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a gentle reminder for the Latin GP call. It is starting in about 10 minutes. (16:00 UTC) Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/866686947. Please find below the agenda and the message from Mirjana. Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. I am asking all mebers to make their rating for Latin Small Letter D vs Latin Small Letter D with Circumflex Below. Missing responses from DT, HH and MM https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> I am sending as an attachment the table with missing work for Appendix D. I had problems finding what tasks were assigned to which GP member, so I am asking everyone to help me with this. I cannot recognize diacritics from Meikal’s drawing . I am sending again Meikal’s drawing in this mail and additional assignment added later.. Any other comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on July the 4th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. URL underlining analysis [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> – case Latin small letter D with circumflex below, everyone to make rating 3. Appendix D merger – ommisions to be fixed 4. Wordmark.it individual accounts 5. Next meeting proposal July the 11th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> 2. Following In script Non visual base letter shape analysis sent as .pdf.or word document could be found in Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/home/LatinGP-nonshared/InScriptVariantAnalysis-home… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_home_L…> · Hazzem · Mirjana · Bill · Meikal · Michael · Dennis · Missing reports from: * Mats 3. IN Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis (homework from Oct 2018 F2F meeting) · Michael https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6f_5JK5YIaoHeYSAQYJfXrW-AFnlkezJ9zwP20…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Mirjana https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZHyg35k_2eplhrGA0wy34U5TeUMi6FM-M-Im1…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Bill https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Hazem https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXM4xL5xh9My1QYIVwWrJqJ6djfRr7Ncz0IyNRF…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Meikal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fjxdwx_eRep94Xp5YcidiA_4svV73MFc8wLGM2z…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Dennis https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> · Mats, https://www.dropbox.com/home/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/InScriptVariantAna… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_home_L…> 4. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… [onedrive.live.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onedrive.live.com_view…> Panel members contributions are in Appendix D [drive.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive…> 5. Apendix D Merger [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> made by Meikal 6. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… [dropbox.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_previe…> 7. Underlining analysis excel has two spread sheets : all analyzed code points in “ Sheet1” and code points “To Be Rated” https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> Spread sheet with agreed variants derived from underlining analysis is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRRU0kkbGdEdw-nYYXNI0PxgzqHjtgUCeZ7… [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread…> Regards, Pitinan

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In-Script Non-Visual Analysis Plan
by Meikal Mumin July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Dear colleagues, I have summarized what has been done and what remains to be done on the In-Script Non-Visual analysis as summarized in Appendix D in a Trello Board here: https://trello.com/c/BoKkXTzF You can view it just like that that, but If you want access to write and comment on it, I have sent you separately an invitation by email. For those of you not familiar with Trello: It is a task management tool following the Kanban model. You create checklists and mark them off. Please take a look - I find it to be generally self explanatory. I’m not saying that the group has to make use of this tool for project planning in the future - it was just easier to summarize the current status of Appendix D in such a form rather than any a Word or Google Docs document. I would like to suggest to briefly talk this through on the call and redistribute the remaining tasks somehow, e.g. using the numbering system we used in Brussels. Best, Meikal

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How Authoritative Is Omniglot Really?
by Bill Jouris July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Dear colleagues, When we were developing our repertoire, our go-to reference for what glyphs are used in any given language was Omniglot. At the ICANN meeting in Marrakech last week, I was talking to a group of people about diacritics and such. And I mentioned in passing that (as shown in Omniglot https://www.omniglot.com/writing/spanish.htm ) the only diacritic used in Spanish is the tilde over an N. A couple of native speakers of Spanish immediately corrected me, saying that the acute and diaeresis are also used. (A quick search with Google confirms this.) The good news is, all of those glyphs are already in our repertoire. So no immediate problem there. The bad news, it seems to me, is this: in how many other languages does Omniglot fail to capture all of the diacritics or diacritic/letter combinations actually used? And how many of those result in glyphs which are not in our repertoire currently? (Which might resolve the mystery of why Unicode has so many pre-composed combinations which we didn't find.) I realize that answering that question necessarily involves going back through the repertoire research process again. Presumably using other sources. But I wonder if we can, in good conscience, fail to do so. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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AGENDA for the GP call on July the 4th, 2019, 16:00UTC
by Mirjana Tasić July 3, 2019

July 3, 2019

Dear GP members. Please find enclosed the Agenda proposal for our next telephone conference. I am asking all mebers to make their rating for Latin Small Letter D vs Latin Small Letter D with Circumflex Below. Missing responses from DT, HH and MM https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… I am sending as an attachment the table with missing work for Appendix D. I had problems finding what tasks were assigned to which GP member, so I am asking everyone to help me with this. I cannot recognize diacritics from Meikal’s drawing . I am sending again Meikal’s drawing in this mail and additional assignment added later.. Any other comments are welcome. Pitinan will send the remainder on time. All links to relevant working documents could be found at the end of this document in the section REMINDERS. Regards Mirjana ___________________________________________ AGENDA for the GP call on July the 4th, 2019, 16:00UTC 1. Roll call 2. URL underlining analysis<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE…> – case Latin small letter D with circumflex below, everyone to make rating 3. Appendix D merger – ommisions to be fixed 4. Wordmark.it individual accounts 5. Next meeting proposal July the 11th, 2019, 16:00 6. AOB REMINDERS 1. Bill’s finding on Stacking with Combining Diacritics (Attachment: Combining Diacritics and Stacking.pdf) Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-CombiningD… Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GKJ-NF5MnRllFiz7iaa5hsmyNpg5oxPxqBl2MNt… 1. Following In script Non visual base letter shape analysis sent as .pdf.or word document could be found in Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/home/LatinGP-nonshared/InScriptVariantAnalysis-home… · Hazzem · Mirjana · Bill · Meikal · Michael · Dennis · Missing reports from: * Mats 1. IN Script Non-Visual Variant Discovery Analysis (homework from Oct 2018 F2F meeting) · Michael https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6f_5JK5YIaoHeYSAQYJfXrW-AFnlkezJ9zwP20… · Mirjana https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZHyg35k_2eplhrGA0wy34U5TeUMi6FM-M-Im1… · Bill https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nfm-1A8Keomj0DP_IJcgJm62EFdUJRq7HP0CHV1… · Hazem https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXM4xL5xh9My1QYIVwWrJqJ6djfRr7Ncz0IyNRF… · Meikal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fjxdwx_eRep94Xp5YcidiA_4svV73MFc8wLGM2z… · Dennis https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GgawEKKwrvC8P0UAuB5DAka1P13s98HEvp2kxn0… · Mats, https://www.dropbox.com/home/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/InScriptVariantAna… 1. Meikal’s Template for Appendix D on Variants https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=10C636851F7DD403!612296&ithint=fi… Panel members contributions are in Appendix D<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13OI1Yb9RO2Z_l4C0hbFCZ8xVONxdwqBU> 1. Apendix D Merger<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV…> made by Meikal 2. Bill’s table with code points collected for visual similarity analysis https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Latin%20GP/InScriptVariants/Bill-%20In-Scri… 1. Underlining analysis excel has two spread sheets : all analyzed code points in “ Sheet1” and code points “To Be Rated” https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FZmntXOan_7LF0ckzKZNLrla0L8eC_GxWE… Spread sheet with agreed variants derived from underlining analysis is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRRU0kkbGdEdw-nYYXNI0PxgzqHjtgUCeZ7…

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Latin GP weekly meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 3, 2019

July 3, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, This is a placeholder for the Latin GP call on Thursday 16:00 UTC. Please connect to the meeting at https://icann.zoom.us/j/866686947. Regards, Pitinan

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Canceled: Latin GP weekly meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana June 27, 2019

June 27, 2019

Dear all, The Latin GP meeting on 27 June is cancelled. We will regroup on 4 July. Regards, Pitinan

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Appendix D: Merger of non-visual analysis results by members
by Meikal Mumin June 25, 2019

June 25, 2019

Dear colleagues, I have merged the individual documents containing the non-visual analysis data and findings by individual members for Appendix D in a .docx file. I have then uploaded that file converting into Google Docs format here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nGIerPh21yxPHuuSyNo2uShanvFzD0MUb1ai6QV… I did my best to fix the varying formatting and inconsistencies in applying the color coding and formatting. There are however some omissions remaining to be fixed: I have tried inserting placeholder headings were an analysis was missing or comments were something else was wrong or missing. I will have to give a final pass to the the section on Spacing of diacritics. We will require paid access to https://wordmark.it/ to finish this part of the anaylsis. Best, Meikal

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Summary of Latin GP Meeting on 20 June 2019
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana June 21, 2019

June 21, 2019

Dear Latin GP members, Please find attached the summary of the Latin GP meeting on 20 June 2019. Please let us know if you would like to suggest any edits or additions. Action Items S. No.Action ItemsOwner 1Rate additional pair for D with circumflex below in the Underlining Analysis (Please see line 17-19)ALL 2Review the text for Dotless I as discussed by the GPMD 3Reach out to Meikal and Bill to prepare for the non-visual and stacking analysis in the next meetingMT This summary and the recordings are posted at the Latin GP wiki page at. https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP Please note that all the links to the working document compiled in Mirjana email also posted on the wiki page. Regards, Pitinan

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Latin GP weekly meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana June 21, 2019

June 21, 2019

Dear all, As agreed on the call yesterday, the Latin GP meeting on 27 June is cancelled. We will regroup on 4 July. Regards, Pitinan

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Underlining
by Bill Jouris June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

Dear colleagues, I've been pulling together the list of variants due to underlining, and I noticed something. In every case where we did a full group review of a letter with "circumflex below", the final decision was that it was a variant. But there was one letter (D) which did not get a full group review because, by chance, both the original two reviewers were folks who consistently didn't see the circumflex below as a variant. It seems to me that, as a matter of consistency, if we generally see a circumflex below as something that cannot be distinguished from the letter alone, we should revise the finding for D to conform. Does anyone have a problem with me making that addition? Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris(a)insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)

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