November 2008 - lac-discuss-en

Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] public forum statements
by Carlton Samuels Nov. 6, 2008

Nov. 6, 2008

Follow the link to see statements from the public fora here in Cairo. Carlton FYI, the various statements are posted at http://cai.icann.org/en/node/1633 -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart _______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists… ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large <http://st.icann.org/alacAt-Large> Website: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ALAC 2nd Session? Community
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Nov. 5, 2008

Nov. 5, 2008

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ALAC 2nd Session? Community From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Dear Rudy: It will try to clarify your doubts on the subject of our representatives. In Internaut we understand that the representatives can act single if they take mandate of his THIN to the ALAC meetings, we did not conceive the participation of the ALS in this space without the possibility that we pruned ourselves to express by means of our representatives to hour of which these are before their pairs of other regional ones. It is why I believe that to do this it is to make "good you practice of total participation and pertinent ". We did not send to our companions so that they think what they think that we goodly we can think, if not to reflect the exact thought of all the ALS that they inside express in the different meetings and interchange from electronic correspondence of the LACRALO. To be but sure which I did was a proposal, there is a single companionof the LACRALO that it has been proposed to be liasson in point MOBI (DotMOBI) andI believe that serious good that a companion of Latin America and the Caribbean can be there, if there is no opposition or if nobody it are expressed I suggested is taken silence like a manifestation from the will (single in this case until we determine as we handled ourselves thus in these questions) and, our companions can go with mandate to vote by this companions proposed. With respect to the "policy of participation of ICANN" there was sufficient time stops to participate and to give its opinions in that sense, and no ALS I present/display a document alternative to this. Memory that single ALS (Alfa Redi) had been expressed in opposition, but I do not present/display nothing alternative nor worthy to struggle the subject. One occurred to a sufficient time for his debate and putting in knowledge of all. In he completes LACRALO meeting defined itself that the this serious Definitive Document, shipment to the list for his completes overhaul, and when negatively not expressing anybody on the subject is assumed that that is the position that our representatives must defend, in definitive, for that they were chosen, to express the opinionsof the majorities in different scopes of participation of ICANN and do not stop to express their personal point of view, if some of them wants to express itself, I could do it in the monthly meetings of the LACRALO or in this list of discussion. When they go to the ALAC meetings, they must consensuar with his companions the points that are going away to discuss and as are the definitions that go away a to take. I hope to have been of aid My more respectful greetings Sergio Original Message From: <rmedina(a)alfa-redi.org> To: <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> Cc: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:09 P.m. Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] ALAC 2nd Session? Community Dear Sergio: Of prudent with your request of information on the ICANN meeting. He would be interesting to know some details of the meetings, to the margin of all the information that can be found in the Web. Of another side, I would like to know the reasons by which ours representatives of the LACRALO must take like mandate the nomination of Andrés. I do not have left the reason for it clear and I am not sure that that be a usual practice in other THIN, but clear I can be mistaken. Finally to indicate to the members of the list of the LACRALO that Alpha Redi does not subscribe, supports or does his the rough draft of policy letter of trip (or as you call?participación well) in Icann. Warm greetings, Ruddy Medina Redi Alpha presidency Internaut wrote: > Dear representing companions of LACRALO: podria some of you > to inform to us on the subjects treated in reunion of today 4 of November about > 20087 in ALAC? I have wanted to enter and to be impossible to be able to see me or > to listen to nothing in marinates acrobat. > On the other hand I want to propose that both representing of the LACRALO they take > like mandate the nomination of Andres Piazza to be liasson of mobi (dot > mobi). if nobody is against this gustaria me that silence isinterpreted > in this ocacion as an express mandate to our representativeson this > point. > Envio in case they do not remember our companions the final document > on the "politicas of participation of ICANN" (badly called "the politicas ones > of trips"), which this but down, if some of our companions > needs I can send it by electronic mail or e to it pdf > warm greetings > Sergio > > POSITION OF LACRALO BEFORE THE NEW POLITICAS OF PARTICIPATION OF ICANN ( > ! BADLY TRIP CALLS POLITICAS) > > the participant organizations of the Civil Society of ICANN,we have taken > knowledge of the decision that has taken east organism to change the form > of PARTIPACION in the same one. > > > Who we formed part of organizations ALS we considered that > political of trips has a close relationship with the participation of > Usuary of Internet in ICANN, reason why we rejected emphatically > decision that is that attempt to the policies and principlesfrom ICANN and by > of Internet. > > > we talked about badly to called "the political ones of trips" ". > > > > Entendemos that this is thus, so that this in game the fact not to travel, > but the total potentiality of participation of the civil society in this > organism. > > > we are convinced that the participation in ICANN implies theinteraction > between governments, companies and users to be able to counton an organization > that directs the destinies of Internet in right and democratic form. > ! > > we did not conceive but in this only sense the participati! on of th e society > civil like representatives of the end users of Internet, within > ICANN-Consideramos that ICANN has responded until now to the expectations > raised, opening to the participation of the OSC like part of a process > formativo that demands the incorporation of all the actors who participate > in the life of Internet. > > > Therefore, every day, is more important obtaining than others > organizations are gotten up in the real decision making. > > > If one looks for a greater participation must surpass the limitations > that until now makes difficult the decision making. Although in > the present time has meetings by teleconferencing, this onemeans of > communication is limited as opposed to the decision making from the ALS in > the actual meetings according to which they arrange our statutes. > > > Is imperative by virtue of the search of consensuses, that ICANN looks for others > average of reduction of costs. > > > Entendemos that one of them could be to trim the ! costs of > representation of the structures of governments, since wellthey could > to support the costs of participation based on the interests of each one > of the countries in taking part in the global policies of communication. > > > > we are convinced that a this serious way solid and been worth of construction > political you publish of each one of the states with respect to the TICS, > prioritizing the transparency of management, economic independence, sovereignty > political and the self-determination of the towns, like cannot be waived norms > of the countries at the time of the confrontation of ideas and proposals that prioritize > the interests of all the humanity and the towns in individual. > > > Is important that the weakest sector is had the charge of in their participation, already > that in ICANN occurs the fact that two strong sectors participate from > economic (companies and governments) and one weak one (ALS), is necessary > to safeguard the rights of th! e majorities (the Users of Internet), that > finds as opposed ! to in a position of inequality the powerful ones. > > > the history of our region has demonstrated that the work tous between > different representative sectors from the democratic life, have affirmed > value of the plurality. > > > > we do not understand the total and pertinent participation without the three > valued estates of representation are seated in equality of > conditions and possibilities, that is to say, a true World-wide government of > Internet with egalitarian tripartite representation, between States, Companies > and End users of Internet. > > > Is why we insisted on the total participation of how until now > we have participated and we did not resign to the rights acquired in ICANN by > the Users of Internet. > > > > Must be adopted political effective to avoid the concentration of > information and the decisions of the policies in ICANN. If few have > the possibility of controlling the information is not possible a participation > total and pertinent. > > > Entend! emos that the reduction in the possibility of participation of > End users of Internet conspires against the democratic system > established in ICANN. Since when restricting the plurality and diversity that > assures the total exercise the right to the information andparticipation of > the users causes a scene of social injustice. > > > > Those that it has more discuss and participate and those that less they have and more contribute > to the system is outside the world of the debates and the construction of one > Internet better. > > > For these reasons we ratified ourselves in the search of a participation > egalitarian that improves the fulfillment of the ICANN objectives and therefore > of the Users of Internet and we hoped that the decision is reverted in > please the real participation of the end users of Internet in this > structure of world-wide participation of the destinies of Internet. _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/6129dd1b95.html --]]

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To increase participation - Para ampliar la participación
by Scott S Robinson Nov. 5, 2008

Nov. 5, 2008

A bilingual response -- una respuesta bilingüe: Jacqueline has made an excellent suggestion that I heartily endorse as a potential tool for increasing not only list participation but a more detailed understanding of technical issues with social and political implications. Jacqueline he hecho una excelente sugerencia aqui, la cual deseo avalar con entusiasmo. Representa una herramienta para no sólo ampliar la participación en esta lista, sino también asegura una mayor comprensión de cuestiones técnicas y sus implicaciones sociales y políticas. I realize the sub-group that Jacqueline refers to means more work for a few. I would be in favor of sacrificing a portion of travel budget to reimburse their time at a solidarity rate, in order to enhance our participation and competence with the complex issues at hand. Me doy cuenta que la reducida comisión de tarea que Jacquelina sugiere implica más trabajo para unos pocos. Estaré a favor de desviar una porción del presupuesto de viáticos para eventos para compensar a los involucrados con una tarifa solidaria, con miras de ampliar nuestra participación y competencia de las complejas problemáticas pendientes. P.S. - posdata: I find the list translations to be very cumbersome, sometimes unintelligible, requiring us to subscribe to both language lists. Encuento a las traducciones aqui muy difíciles de comprender, a veces ni inteligibles, lo cual nos obliga a recibir las listas del RALO en ambas lenguas. Scott Robinson www.vinculart.org.mx www.uam-antropologia.info México > 1. Re: some reasons for lack of participation (Jacqueline A. Morris) > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:05:28 +0200 >From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> >Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] some reasons for lack of participation > >Thanks Scott >So basically, if there's a small sub-group that takes a policy document, >such as RAA, and looks at it in terms of "What does it mean to users in >LAC" and they post that document as an adjunct to the translated >document and the online briefing, that more people, like yourself, for >example, would be able to and would comment on the policy issue? >In that case - LACRALO needs to create such working groups... it's a >good idea. >Jacqueline >Scott S Robinson wrote: > > Estimados colegas, > > > > Jacqueline's comment and call for more participation provokes me > > to reflect on some reasons for our list passivity and lack of substantive > > discussion. > > > > El comentario de Jacquelina referente a la ausencia de una participaci?n > > activa y sustantiva en esta lista me provoca algunas reflexiones sobre > > las > > posibles causas de esta situaci?n. > > > > Methinks it boils down to a power divide, if you will, between > > national level Ministry, > > commericial ISPs or even NAP senior staff or tech executives whose > > skills and understanding of the complex ICANN-related issues have > > evolved over the past 15 plus years, AND those few of us in the > > budding RALO network who come from the IT activist > > communities in our diverse set of countries. > > > > Pienso que vivimos una brecha del poder, si me permiten, entre los > > colegas hoy d?a > > funcionarios de jerarqu?a en Ministerios, ISPs comerciales, hasta > > NAPs, cuyo oficio o amplia experiencia es fruto de 15 a?os > > administrando redes, Y LOS DEM?S, que somos pocos, quienes procedemos > > de ONGs y un activismo a favor de la inclusi?n digital. > > > > And in most of our countries, IT-related public policies were NOT THE > > RESULT OF BOTTOM UP, amply discussed initiatives, such as national > > telecenter programs with non proprietary tools, but rather sweetheart > > contracts between public officials and the mega consortia bent on > > expanding market share, reinforcing branding and general profiting > > from the digital divide narrative. Our respective lower cost more > > community anchored initiatives (with vanguard IT tools and open source > > software) were largely ignored while small mom and pop cybercaf?s > > filled village and town squares offering few incentives for the > > brilliant young women and men denied higher educations for diverse > > reasons. Our vision of digital inclusion was largely unacceptable to > > national elites nervous about an well-informed public demanding > > services and accountability. > > > > En la mayor?a de nuestros pa?ses, las pol?ticas p?blicas relacionadas > > con TICs NO FUERON producto de consultas p?blicas o la apropiaci?n de > > pilotos e herramientas de vanguardia, sino el producto de contratos > > frutos de un capitalismo de compadres donde los consorcios conocidos > > ampliaron sus mercados, reforzaron sus marcas y logos, y lucraron con > > la narrativa de la dichosa "brecha digital". Nuestra propuestas m?s > > baratas, con tecnolog?as de punta y software de c?digo abierto, fueron > > ignoradas mientras las plazas se llenaron de cibercaf?s, micronegocios > > sin subsidios, que ofrecen pocos incentivos para las y los j?venes > > brillantes, frustrados ante las pocas opciones para seguir > > estudiando. Nuestras propuestas no cuajaron, fueron inaceptables para > > las respectivas elites nacionales nerviosos ante la posibilidad de un > > pueblo bien informado y exigente de cuentas claras. > > > > Thus, it should not surprise us that our list and RALO reflects the > > polarity of this decision making process in most if not all of our > > countries. I suggest the more technically proficient have a > > responsibility to parse the social, user freedom and intellectual > > property implications of the several ICANN reforms... > > > > Entonces, no debe de sorprendernos que nuestra lista y RALO es un fiel > > reflejo de la actual polaridad en el actual proceso de la toma de > > decisiones hoy en casi todo sino todos nuestros pa?ses. Sugiero que > > los participantes con mayor oficio t?cnico comparten una > > responsabilidad para desglosar las implicaciones sociales, derechos de > > los usuarios y de propiedad intelectual inherentes a las muchas > > reformas presentadas al ICANN. > > > > Saludos, > > > > Scott S. Robinson > > www.vinculart.org.mx > > www.uam-antropologia.info > > México

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?windows-1252?q?ALAC_2nd_Session_=96_Community =
by Jacqueline A. Morris Nov. 5, 2008

Nov. 5, 2008

What's the deadline for silence = consent? I have to liaise with TTCS to see what the rest of the organisation says, but my opinion is to support John Levine's nomination - he has been a stalwart in the At Large, he has done a lot with .mobi, they would like him to return as a valuable member of the community, and I don't see any reason that says Andres would be better at this time. So we will need a couple of days. Jacqueline Carlton Samuels wrote: > Dear Colleagues: > I support the nomination of Andres Piazza as liaison to .mobi and have > communicated this. But please do not forget that there were questions raised > regarding this request that are yet to be resolved. > > Carlton > > -----Original Message----- > From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 01:33 PM > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] =?windows-1252?q?ALAC_2nd_Session_=96_Community = > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > Subject: =?windows-1252?q?ALAC_2nd_Session_=96_Community = > From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > > Dear representing companions of LACRALO: podria some of you > to inform to us on the subjects treated in reunion of today 4 of November > about > 20087 in ALAC? I have wanted to enter and to be impossible to be able to see > me or > to listen to nothing in marinates acrobat. > On the other hand I want to propose that both representing of the LACRALO > they take > like mandate the nomination of Andres Piazza to be liasson of mobi (dot > mobi). if nobody is against this gustaria me that silence is interpreted > in this ocacion as an express mandate to our representatives onthis > point. > Envio in case they do not remember our companions the final document > on the "politicas of participation of ICANN" (badly called "the politicas > ones > of trips"), which this but down, if some of our companions > it needs I can send it by electronic mail or e to it pdf > warm greetings > Sergio > > POSITION OF LACRALO BEFORE THE NEW POLITICAS OF PARTICIPATION OF ICANN ( > BADLY TRIP CALLS POLITICAS) > > The participant organizations of the Civil Society of ICANN, we have taken > knowledge of the decision that has taken east organism to change the form > of PARTIPACION in the same one. > > > Who we formed part of organizations ALS we considered that > policy of trips has a close relationship with the participation of > Users of Internet in ICANN, reason why we rejected emphatically > decision that is that attempt to the policies and principles from ICANN and > by > of Internet. > > > We talked about badly to called "the political ones of trips" ". > > > > We understand that this is thus, so that this in game the fact not to > travel, > but the total potentiality of participation of the civil society in this > organism. > > > We are convinced that the participation in ICANN implies the interaction > between governments, companies and users to be able to count on an > organization > that it directs the destinies of Internet in right and democratic form. > > > We did not conceive but in this only sense the participation of the society > civilian like representatives of the end users of Internet, within > ICANN-Consideramos that ICANN has responded until now to the expectations > raised, opening to the participation of the OSC like part of aprocess > formativo that demands the incorporation of all the actors whoparticipate > in the life of Internet. > > > Therefore, every day, is more important obtaining than others > organizations are gotten up in the real decision making. > > > If a greater participation looks for they must surpass the limitations > that until now they make difficult the decision making. Although in > the present time meetings by teleconferencing, this one means are had of > communication is limited as opposed to the decision making from the ALS in > the actual meetings according to which they arrange our statutes. > > > It is imperative by virtue of the search of consensuses, that ICANN looks > for others > average of reduction of costs. > > > We understand that one of them could be to trim the costs of > representation of the structures of governments, since well they could > to support the costs of participation based on the interests of each one > of the countries in taking part in the global policies of communication. > > > > We are convinced that a this serious way solid and been worth of > construction > policies you publish of each one of the states with respect tothe TICS, > prioritizing the transparency of management, economic independence, > sovereignty > policy and the self-determination of the towns, like cannot bewaived norms > of the countries at the time of the confrontation of ideas andproposals that > prioritize > the interests of all the humanity and the towns in individual. > > > It is important that the weakest sector is had the charge of in their > participation, already > that in ICANN the fact that occurs two strong sectors participate from > economic (companies and governments) and one weak one (ALS), is necessary > to safeguard the rights of the majorities (the Users of Internet), that > they find as opposed to in a position of inequality the powerful ones. > > > The history of our region has demonstrated that the work to us between > different representative sectors from the democratic life, have affirmed > value of the plurality. > > > > We do not understand the total and pertinent participation without thethree > valued estates of representation are seated in equality of > conditions and possibilities, that is to say, a true World-wide government > of > Internet with egalitarian tripartite representation, between States, > Companies > and End users of Internet. > > > He is why we insisted on the total participation of how until now > we have participated and we did not resign to the rights acquired in ICANN > by > the Users of Internet. > > > > They must be adopted political effective to avoid the concentration of > information and the decisions of the policies in ICANN. If fewhave > the possibility of controlling the information is not possiblea > participation > total and pertinent. > > > We understand that the reduction in the possibility of participation of > End users of Internet conspire against the democratic system > established in ICANN. Since when restricting the plurality anddiversity that > > it assures the total exercise the right to the information andparticipation > of > the users a scene of social injustice is caused. > > > > Those that it has more discuss and participate and those that less they have > and more contribute > to the system they are outside the world of the debates and the construction > of one > Internet better. > > > For these reasons we ratified ourselves in the search of a participation > egalitarian which it improves the fulfillment of the ICANN objectives and > therefore > of the Users of Internet and we hoped that the decision is reverted in > please the real participation of the end users of Internet in this > structure of world-wide participation of the destinies of Internet. > > > > > > 2008/11/2 <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> > >>> [ [ - - Translated text (in - > is)--]] > > > Subject: >>> > =?windows-1252?q?ALAC_2nd_Session_=96_Community _ = > > =?windows-1252?q?Leaders_Accountability_=26_Participation_Obligations = > > Of: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > > > For that they can be interested in > participating remotely, or in > to send > its ideas, commentaries etc in > advance - > * the 04 of November of 2008 < > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?04_november_2008 > > 0900- - 1030 * > 2do /San Souci II * Session of ALAC - Startings of tape Of > the Community > > Obligations Of the Responsibility and the Participation > > Jacqueline > * > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original >> > text (in) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/31388ce36b.html > --]] > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is >>>> > mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > > http://w! > > ww.lacralo.org > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [[--Original text (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/b56c438b34.html > --]] > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 02/11/2008 > 09:51 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… >

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ALAC 2nd Session? Community
by apisan＠servidor.unam.mx Nov. 5, 2008

Nov. 5, 2008

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ALAC 2nd Session? Community From: apisan(a)servidor.unam.mx Sergio, all, 1. I believe that there is to have well-taken care of with the affirmation ficta (that is to interpret silence like assent); 2. in representation there is nothing no written unless there is an agreement explicit. The representatives can go mandatados (who sometimes ***reflx mng themselves as maniatados) or to be chosen with a base of confidence in itspeople, consciences, and integrity, that ample space gives them so thatthey take decisions. It is understood in such case that will make consultations before and will render accounts later. Of course in this list, and the community by which it takes the voice, is so much politólogos as activists with ample experience in order to discuss it better. The conduction of the dialogue in the possible incluyente form will bealways the best guide. Alexander Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 ---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Presidency Internaut wrote: > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:08:02 -0300 > From: Presidency Internaut <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > To: rmedina(a)alfa-redi.org > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] ALAC 2nd Session? Community > > Dear Rudy: > > Intentare to clarify your doubts on the subject of our representatives. > > In Internaut we understand that the representatives can act single if they take > mandate of its THIN one to the ALAC meetings, we did not conceive the participation of > the ALS in this space without the possibility that we prunedourselves to express by > average of our representatives at the time of which these are before their pairs > of other regional ones. > > Is why I believe that to do this it is to make "good you practice of > total and pertinent participation ". > > we did not send to our companions so that they think what they think that > we goodly can think, if not to reflect the exact thought of > all the ALS that express in the d! ifferent meetings and interchange from > electronic correspondence within the LACRALO. > > For being but sure which I did was a proposal, is a single companion of > LACRALO that has been proposed to be liasson in point MOBI (DotMOBI) and > I believe that serious good that a companion of Latin America and the Caribbean can > to be there, if there is no opposition or if nobody is expressed I suggested is taken > silence as a manifestation of the will (single in this case until > we determine as we handled ourselves thus in these questions) and, ours > companions can go with mandate to vote by this companions proposed. > > With respect to the "policy of participation of ICANN" was sufficient time > to participate and to give its opinions in that sense, and no ALS I present/display > alternative document to this. > > Memory that single ALS (Alfa Redi) had been expressed in opposition, but > I do not present/display anything alternative nor worthy to struggle the subje! ct. > > occurred to a sufficient time for its debate and putti! ng in kn owledge of all. > > In completes LACRALO meeting was defined that the this serious Document > Definitive, shipment to the list for his completes overhaul,and to no > to express nobody negatively on the subject is assumed that that is the position > that our representatives must defend, really, for that was > chosen, to express the opinions of the majorities in the different ones > scopes of participation of ICANN and does not stop to express its point of view > personal, if some of them wants to express itself, I could do it in the meetings > monthly of the LACRALO or in this list of discussion. When they go to > ALAC meetings, must consensuar with their companions the points that go away > to discuss and as is the definitions that are going away to take. I hope to have > be of aid > > My more respectful greetings > > Sergio > > Original Message From: <rmedina(a)alfa-redi.org> > To: <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> > Cc: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Sent! : Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:09 P.m. > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] ALAC 2nd Session? Community > > > Dear Sergio: > > Of prudent with your request of information on the ICANN meeting. > Would be interesting to know some details of the meetings, to the margin > of all the information that can be found in the Web. > > Of another side, I would like to know the reasons by which ours > representing of the LACRALO must take like mandate the nomination of > Andrés. I do not have left the reason for it clear and I amnot sure that that > is a usual practice in other THIN, but clear I can be mistaken. > > Finally to indicate to the members of the list of the LACRALO that Alpha > Redi does not subscribe, supports or does his the rough draft of policy letter > of trip (or as you call?participación well) in Icann. > > warm Greetings, > > Ruddy Medina > Redi Alpha > > > > presidency Internaut wrote: > > Dear representing companions of LACRALO: podria some of you > > to inform! to us on the subjects treated in reunion of today 4 of Novemb! er about > > 20087 in ALAC? I have wanted to enter and to be impossible to be able to see me or > > to listen to nothing in marinates acrobat. > > On the other hand I want to propose that both representing of the LACRALO they take > > like mandate the nomination of Andres Piazza to be liasson of mobi (dot > > mobi). if nobody is against this gustaria me that silenceis > > interpreted > > in this ocacion as an express mandate to our representatives on > > this > > point. > > Envio in case they do not remember our companions the final document > > on the "politicas of participation of ICANN" (badly called > > "politicas > > of trips"), which this but down, if some of our companions > > needs I can send it by electronic mail or e to it pdf > > warm greetings > > Sergio > > > > POSITION OF LACRALO BEFORE THE NEW POLITICAS OF PARTICIPATION OF ICANN > > ( > > BADLY TRIP CALLS POLITICAS) > > > > the participant organiz! ations of the Civil Society of ICANN, we have > > taken > > knowledge of the decision that has taken east organism tochange > > forms > > of PARTIPACION in the same one. > > > > > > Who we formed part of organizations ALS we considered that > > political of trips has a close relationship with the participation of > > Usuary of Internet in ICANN, reason why we rejected emphatically > > decision that is that attempt to the policies and principles from ICANN and > > by > > of Internet. > > > > > > we talked about badly to called "the political ones of trips" ". > > > > > > > > Entendemos that this is thus, so that this in game the fact not to travel, > > but the total potentiality of participation of the civil society in this > > organism. > > > > > > we are convinced that the participation in ICANN implies the interaction > > between governments, companies and users to be able to count on a! n organization > > that directs the destinies of Internet i! n right and democratic form. > > > > > > we did not conceive but in this only sense the participation of the society > > civil like representatives of the end users of Internet, within > > ICANN-Consideramos that ICANN has responded until now to the expectations > > raised, opening to the participation of the OSC like partof a process > > formativo that demands the incorporation of all the actors who participate > > in the life of Internet. > > > > > > Therefore, every day, is more important obtaining than others > > organizations is gotten up in the real decision making. > > > > > > If it looks for a greater participation must surpass the limitations > > that until now makes difficult the decision making. Although in > > the present time has meetings by teleconferencing, this one means of > > communication is limited as opposed to the decision making from the ALS in > > the actual meetings according to which they arrang! e our statutes. > > > > > > Is imperative by virtue of the search of consensuses, that ICANN looks for others > > average of reduction of costs. > > > > > > Entendemos that one of them could be to trim the costs of > > representation of the structures of governments, since well they could > > to support the costs of participation based on the interests of each > > one > > of the countries in taking part in the global policies ofcommunication. > > > > > > > > we are convinced that a this serious way solid and been worth of > > construction > > political you publish of each one of the states with respect to the TICS, > > prioritizing the transparency of management, economic independence, sovereignty > > political and the self-determination of the towns, like cannot be waived norms > > of the countries at the time of the confrontation of ideas and proposals that > > prioritizes > > the interests of all! the humanity and the towns in individual. > > > > > &! gt; Is i mportant that the weakest sector is had the charge ofin their participation, already > > that in ICANN occurs the fact that two strong sectors participate from > > economic (companies and governments) and one weak one (ALS), is necessary > > to safeguard the rights of the majorities (the Users of Internet), that > > > > finds as opposed to in a position of inequality the powerful ones. > > > > > > the history of our region has demonstrated that the work to us between > > different representative sectors from the democratic life, has affirmed > > value of the plurality. > > > > > > > > we do not understand the total and pertinent participation without the three > > valued estates of representation is seated in equality of > > conditions and possibilities, that is to say, a true World-wide government of > > Internet with egalitarian tripartite representation, between States, Companies > > and End users of Internet. > ! > > > > > Is why we insisted on the total participation of how until now > > we have participated and we did not resign to the rights acquired in ICANN by > > the Users of Internet. > > > > > > > > Must be adopted political effective to avoid the concentration of > > information and the decisions of the policies in ICANN. If few > > has > > the possibility of controlling the information is not possible a participation > > total and pertinent. > > > > > > Entendemos that the reduction in the possibility of participation of > > End users of Internet conspires against the democratic system > > established in ICANN. Since when restricting the plurality and diversity that > > assures the total exercise the right to the information and participation of > > the users causes a scene of social injustice. > > > > > > > > Those that it has more discusses and participates and those that less they have an! d more > > contributes > > to the system is outside the! world o f the debates and theconstruction of > > one > > Internet better. > > > > > > For these reasons we ratified ourselves in the search of a participation > > egalitarian that improves the fulfillment of the ICANN objectives and therefore > > of the Users of Internet and we hoped that the decision is reverted in > > please the real participation of the end users of Internet in this > > structure of world-wide participation of the destinies ofInternet. > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/0be883d020.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ALAC 2nd Session? Community
by rmedina＠alfa-redi.org Nov. 4, 2008

Nov. 4, 2008

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ALAC 2nd Session? Community From: rmedina(a)alfa-redi.org Dear Sergio: Of prudent with your request of information on the ICANN meeting. He would be interesting to know some details of the meetings, to the margin of all the information that can be found in the Web. Of another side, I would like to know the reasons by which ours representatives of the LACRALO must take like mandate the nomination of Andrés. I do not have left the reason for it clear and I am not sure that that be a usual practice in other THIN, but clear I can be mistaken. Finally to indicate to the members of the list of the LACRALO that Alpha Redi does not subscribe, supports or does his the rough draft of policy letter of trip (or as you call?participación well) in Icann. Warm greetings, Ruddy Medina Redi Alpha presidency Internaut wrote: > Dear representing companions of LACRALO: podria some of you > to inform to us on the subjects treated in reunion of today 4 of November about > 20087 in ALAC? I have wanted to enter and to be impossible to be able to see me or > to listen to nothing in marinates acrobat. > On the other hand I want to propose that both representing of the LACRALO they take > like mandate the nomination of Andres Piazza to be liasson of mobi (dot > mobi). if nobody is against this gustaria me that silence isinterpreted > in this ocacion as an express mandate to our representativeson this > point. > Envio in case they do not remember our companions the final document > on the "politicas of participation of ICANN" (badly called "the politicas ones > of trips"), which this but down, if some of our companions > needs I can send it by electronic mail or e to it pdf > warm greetings > Sergio > > POSITION OF LACRALO BEFORE THE NEW POLITICAS OF PARTICIPATION OF ICANN ( > ! BADLY TRIP CALLS POLITICAS) > > the participant organizations of the Civil Society of ICANN,we have taken > knowledge of the decision that has taken east organism to change the form > of PARTIPACION in the same one. > > > Who we formed part of organizations ALS we considered that > political of trips has a close relationship with the participation of > Usuary of Internet in ICANN, reason why we rejected emphatically > decision that is that attempt to the policies and principlesfrom ICANN and by > of Internet. > > > we talked about badly to called "the political ones of trips" ". > > > > Entendemos that this is thus, so that this in game the fact not to travel, > but the total potentiality of participation of the civil society in this > organism. > > > we are convinced that the participation in ICANN implies theinteraction > between governments, companies and users to be able to counton an organization > that directs the destinies of Internet in right and democratic form. > ! > > we did not conceive but in this only sense the participati! onof the society > civil like representatives of the end users of Internet, within > ICANN-Consideramos that ICANN has responded until now to theexpectations > raised, opening to the participation of the OSC like part ofa process > formativo that demands the incorporation of all the actors who participate > in the life of Internet. > > > Therefore, every day, is more important obtaining than others > organizations are gotten up in the real decision making. > > > If one looks for a greater participation must surpass the limitations > that until now makes difficult the decision making. Althoughin > the present time has meetings by teleconferencing, this one means of > communication is limited as opposed to the decision making from the ALS in > the actual meetings according to which they arrange our statutes. > > > Is imperative by virtue of the search of consensuses, that ICANN looks for others > average of reduction of costs. > > > Entendemos that one of them could be to trim the cos! ts of > representation of the structures of governments, since well they could > to support the costs of participation based on the interestsof each one > of the countries in taking part in the global policies of communication. > > > > we are convinced that a this serious way solid and been worth of construction > political you publish of each one of the states with respectto the TICS, > prioritizing the transparency of management, economic independence, sovereignty > political and the self-determination of the towns, like cannot be waived norms > of the countries at the time of the confrontation of ideas and proposals that prioritize > the interests of all the humanity and the towns in individual. > > > Is important that the weakest sector is had the charge of in their participation, already > that in ICANN occurs the fact that two strong sectors participate from > economic (companies and governments) and one weak one (ALS), is necessary > to safeguard the rights of the ma! jorities (the Users of Internet), that > finds as opposed to i! n a posi tion of inequality the powerful ones. > > > the history of our region has demonstrated that the work tous between > different representative sectors from the democratic life, have affirmed > value of the plurality. > > > > we do not understand the total and pertinent participation without the three > valued estates of representation are seated in equality of > conditions and possibilities, that is to say, a true World-wide government of > Internet with egalitarian tripartite representation, between States, Companies > and End users of Internet. > > > Is why we insisted on the total participation of how until now > we have participated and we did not resign to the rights acquired in ICANN by > the Users of Internet. > > > > Must be adopted political effective to avoid the concentration of > information and the decisions of the policies in ICANN. If few have > the possibility of controlling the information is not possible a participation > total and pertinent. > > > Entendemos! that the reduction in the possibility of participation of > End users of Internet conspires against the democratic system > established in ICANN. Since when restricting the plurality and diversity that > assures the total exercise the right to the information andparticipation of > the users causes a scene of social injustice. > > > > Those that it has more discuss and participate and those that less they have and more contribute > to the system is outside the world of the debates and the construction of one > Internet better. > > > For these reasons we ratified ourselves in the search of a participation > egalitarian that improves the fulfillment of the ICANN objectives and therefore > of the Users of Internet and we hoped that the decision is reverted in > please the real participation of the end users of Internet in this > structure of world-wide participation of the destinies of Internet. _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/706229cc64.html --]]

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=?windows-1252?q?ALAC_2nd_Session_=96_Community =
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Nov. 4, 2008

Nov. 4, 2008

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: =?windows-1252?q?ALAC_2nd_Session_=96_Community = From: to presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Dear representing companions of LACRALO: podria some of you to inform to us on the subjects treated in reunion of today 4 of November about 20087 in ALAC? I have wanted to enter and to be impossible to be able to see me or to listen to nothing in marinates acrobat. On the other hand I want to propose that both representing of the LACRALO they take like mandate the nomination of Andres Piazza to be liasson of mobi (dot mobi). if nobody is against this gustaria me that silence is interpreted in this ocacion as an express mandate to our representatives onthis point. Envio in case they do not remember our companions the final document on the "politicas of participation of ICANN" (badly called "the politicas ones of trips"), which this but down, if some of our companions it needs I can send it by electronic mail or e to it pdf warm greetings Sergio POSITION OF LACRALO BEFORE THE NEW POLITICAS OF PARTICIPATION OF ICANN ( BADLY TRIP CALLS POLITICAS) The participant organizations of the Civil Society of ICANN, we have taken knowledge of the decision that has taken east organism to change the form of PARTIPACION in the same one. Who we formed part of organizations ALS we considered that policy of trips has a close relationship with the participation of Users of Internet in ICANN, reason why we rejected emphatically decision that is that attempt to the policies and principles from ICANN and by of Internet. We talked about badly to called "the political ones of trips" ". We understand that this is thus, so that this in game the fact not to travel, but the total potentiality of participation of the civil society in this organism. We are convinced that the participation in ICANN implies the interaction between governments, companies and users to be able to count on an organization that it directs the destinies of Internet in right and democratic form. We did not conceive but in this only sense the participation of the society civilian like representatives of the end users of Internet, within ICANN-Consideramos that ICANN has responded until now to the expectations raised, opening to the participation of the OSC like part of aprocess formativo that demands the incorporation of all the actors whoparticipate in the life of Internet. Therefore, every day, is more important obtaining than others organizations are gotten up in the real decision making. If a greater participation looks for they must surpass the limitations that until now they make difficult the decision making. Although in the present time meetings by teleconferencing, this one means are had of communication is limited as opposed to the decision making from the ALS in the actual meetings according to which they arrange our statutes. It is imperative by virtue of the search of consensuses, that ICANN looks for others average of reduction of costs. We understand that one of them could be to trim the costs of representation of the structures of governments, since well they could to support the costs of participation based on the interests of each one of the countries in taking part in the global policies of communication. We are convinced that a this serious way solid and been worth of construction policies you publish of each one of the states with respect tothe TICS, prioritizing the transparency of management, economic independence, sovereignty policy and the self-determination of the towns, like cannot bewaived norms of the countries at the time of the confrontation of ideas andproposals that prioritize the interests of all the humanity and the towns in individual. It is important that the weakest sector is had the charge of in their participation, already that in ICANN the fact that occurs two strong sectors participate from economic (companies and governments) and one weak one (ALS), is necessary to safeguard the rights of the majorities (the Users of Internet), that they find as opposed to in a position of inequality the powerful ones. The history of our region has demonstrated that the work to us between different representative sectors from the democratic life, have affirmed value of the plurality. We do not understand the total and pertinent participation without thethree valued estates of representation are seated in equality of conditions and possibilities, that is to say, a true World-wide government of Internet with egalitarian tripartite representation, between States, Companies and End users of Internet. He is why we insisted on the total participation of how until now we have participated and we did not resign to the rights acquired in ICANN by the Users of Internet. They must be adopted political effective to avoid the concentration of information and the decisions of the policies in ICANN. If fewhave the possibility of controlling the information is not possiblea participation total and pertinent. We understand that the reduction in the possibility of participation of End users of Internet conspire against the democratic system established in ICANN. Since when restricting the plurality anddiversity that it assures the total exercise the right to the information andparticipation of the users a scene of social injustice is caused. Those that it has more discuss and participate and those that less they have and more contribute to the system they are outside the world of the debates and the construction of one Internet better. For these reasons we ratified ourselves in the search of a participation egalitarian which it improves the fulfillment of the ICANN objectives and therefore of the Users of Internet and we hoped that the decision is reverted in please the real participation of the end users of Internet in this structure of world-wide participation of the destinies of Internet. 2008/11/2 <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> > > [ [ - - Translated text (in - > is)--]] > > > Subject: =?windows-1252?q?ALAC_2nd_Session_=96_Community _ = > =?windows-1252?q?Leaders_Accountability_=26_Participation_Obligations = > Of: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > > > For that they can be interested in participating remotely, or in > to send > its ideas, commentaries etc in advance - > * the 04 of November of 2008 < > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?04_november_2008 > > 0900- - 1030 * 2do /San Souci II * Session of ALAC - Startings of tape Of > the Community > Obligations Of the Responsibility and the Participation > > Jacqueline > * > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (in) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/31388ce36b.html > --]] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > http://w! ww.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/b56c438b34.html --]]

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Nominations for ALAC Liaisons and Appointments for 2009
by Nick Ashton-Hart Nov. 4, 2008

Nov. 4, 2008

Dear All: We have captured the list of nominations and seconds for ALAC Liaisons and Appointments on the wiki this is accessible at https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?alac_liaisons_for_2009. The Chair has previously announced that nominations shall close on 1200 UTC on Wednesday 4th November. For those nominated, may I presume that you wish to use your biographical information from http://www.icann.org/en/committees/alac/? If we receive no objections we will post links to the bios above tomorrow. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Fwd: [ALAC-Internal] Draft of Comments on Fast-Track IDN ccTLDs
by Carlton Samuels Nov. 4, 2008

Nov. 4, 2008

I am sharing this view from Hong - Asia-Pacific ALAC Member - that shows some insight into two of our most vexed problems. Carlton ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Hong Xue <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:24 AM Subject: [ALAC-Internal] Draft of Comments on Fast-Track IDN ccTLDs To: ALAC - internal <alac-admin(a)icann.org> ICANN published the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Draft Implementation Plan on 23 October 2008. The public comment period is open until 8 December 2008. Since ALAC has always been active in the consultation and policy advice process on fast-track IDN ccTLDs, I suggest take the opportunity to send in our comments sooner rather than later. To expediate drafting, I made the 0.1 version for your review: The at-large community is inspired that the long-awaited fast-track IDN ccTLDs could be implemented in as early as 3 months. The community notes from the Implementation Plan that the Support from the relevant script community for the IDN table is required for evaluation among the other documentation of endorsement. The IANA Procedure for Delegation or Redelegation of ccTLDs <http://www.iana.org/domains/root/delegation-guide/>, also clearly requires that relevant ccTLD delegation or redelegation request show how it will serve the local interest in the country. In the case of an IDN ccTLD, the local interest would be more specific. Apparently, the ccTLDs need the support of the local user community for the fast-track application and implementation. On the other hand, the user community needs the support IDN ccTLDs. It is in the mutual interest of both the IDN ccTLD registry community and the local IDN user community to keep a very close, cooperative and supportive relationship. Presently, many ccTLD registries are actually supporting the local user organizations in various ways. The outstanding examples are healthy interaction and collaboration between the ccTLDs (such as .br and .au) and local ALSes on policy consultations and community services. The launch of IDN ccTLDs opens up new opportunities for both community. If we take translation as a example, we can see the great potential coming up. The IDN ccTLDs demonstrate the registries have the relevant capacity to provide the services in local scripts. Then, it would be reasonable for the local user community to rely on the registries to translate the ICANN policies and other documents into the local languages. Such *distributive* model, as contrast to the present ICANN centralized model, would enhance efficiency through linking up the ICANN and its different constituencies and ensure the sustainability of the resources. With respect to ICANN, the clauses on community services should be incorporated and enforced in the IDN ccTLD delegation agreements. Also, ICANN should take the IDN ccTLD's community services or contribution as the valid contribution to the ICANN as stated in the Implementation Plan so that all the stakeholders would have the momentum to develop the system. We also hope that the community-based gTLDs could take the similar path to consolidate the connection with the user community. Hong _______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists… ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large <http://st.icann.org/alacAt-Large> Website: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] Draft ALAC Statement on the IDN Fast Track Draft Implementation Plan
by Carlton Samuels Nov. 4, 2008

Nov. 4, 2008

Dear Colleagues: For your advice. Carlton ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM Subject: [ALAC-Announce] Draft ALAC Statement on the IDN Fast Track Draft Implementation Plan To: "alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" < alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: idn-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Dear Community: As you may be aware, a public consultation has been opened on a draft Implementation Plan for Fast Track IDN deployment. The consultation may be found here: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-3-23oct08-en.htm In order to facilitate drafting, ALAC IDN Liaison Hong Xue has compiled a draft statement. It may be found here: https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?fast_track_idn_implementation_draf t_statement Comments from the wider At-Large community are welcomed and encouraged. The At-Large IDN Policy homepage is at https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?at_large_idn_policy. Anyone who is interested in getting involved in the At-Large IDN policy work may join the IDN Working Group list at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.o rg<http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.…> . -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ ALAC-Announce mailing list ALAC-Announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-announce_atlarge-lists… At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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