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by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

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by cveraq＠gmail.com July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

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by josefranciscoarce＠gmail.com July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections
by carlos dionisio aguirre July 28, 2011

July 28, 2011

Dear Jacqueline. The consensus was the silence. The no other candidate proposal. The lack of oposition. And as Jose said is really a stupid thing call to vote one candidate. My two cents. And common sense please. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:35:12 To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections Jose We have one candidate with approval from 4 of 36 ALSes, I don't see how 1/9th can be consensus. I'd think that if I were the candidate in this position, I'd like ALL the ALSes that support me to so say, and hence I am both officially and ethically approved. 4 out of 36 is kind of a big minority, not so? Just my $0.03. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:36 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > [[--Translated text (es -> es)--]] > > Subject: Re: LACRALO and Elections > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > Beyond the established procedures, it is ridiculous to call a > vote with one candidate. > > > It is my opinion > > > > > JOS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > carlton.samuels @ gmail.com > Posted on: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:43 pm > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [lac-discuss-es] LACRALO and Elections > > > > > [[- Translated text (in -> is )--]] > > > Subject: LACRALO and Elections > From: carlton.samuels @ gmail.com > > > Dear Colleagues, > For all the times we spent on election talk, it seems that some > of us are still unfamiliar with the Rules of > LACRALO Procedure (ROP). For a good grounding and even if > you are not familiar with Robert's Rules of Order, it is really > useful if you are familiar with the Rules of the United Nations > Reg LACRALO that were the same. And it is irritating, especially when one > subjected to long harangues about democracy from some members. A > common understanding of the meaning of "consensus" is also > elusive. > > > > > I've seen the cheers of President José Arce. Keep > celebrations a while yet. > > > > > First, in LACRALO, all procedural decisions must > have a quorum. These are > achieved in two ways LACRALO. > > > > > # 1 - By decision of the group, has established 8 ELA LACRALO from any > place > at present in our teleconferences LACRALO as a meeting of > quorum. This means that > that a meeting by teleconference LACRALO, a union of > procedure > decision can be decided by a simple majority vote * or > cheer *, so > eight of eight voting members are present and different ALS > right to vote. > > > > > # 2 - For the online movements, a time to achieve quorum > must be set by the > Secretariat. When a simple majority of ALS certificates indicate LACRALO > its > position before it expires, the meeting is a quorum. Any > procedure > ³ n decisions taken by a simple majority of ALS binding. To > LACRALO now 19 year ± os ALS. > > > > > Elections are one of the few issues listed are background and > ³ n votaciÃ request a formal. Unless, of course, has been agreed > Suspension of this. I > have called for a consensus candidate. This is a questionnaire ³ n > procedure. A > The answer to this ques ³ n ³ n procedure over decisions > binding, a simple * > * The majority of ALS is now a quorum * * Reunion that > should be indicated by the vote > or by acclamation ³ n. > > > > > If we agree on a consensus candidate, this means that the > electoral process, provided > and machinery has been suspended. This means that we will not have voting > weighted. > This means that the electoral process is significantly reduced. > > > > > Notwithstanding the foregoing, any ALS can only invoke > privilege > request a vote on the background questionnaire ³ n, ie the demand for > Election n with > the entire process and machinery, including the weighted votes in > game. And > Secretariat is obliged to accede to this Request for n. > > > > > Carlton Samuels > > > > > ============================== > A Carlton Samuels > Mobile Site: 876-818-1799 > * Strategy, Planning, Government, Evaluation and deadlines * > ============================= > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (es) > http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7768b6ea8c.html > --]] > > > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: LACRALO and Elections
by cveraq＠gmail.com July 28, 2011

July 28, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> es)--]] Subject: Re: RES: LACRALO and Elections From: cveraq(a)gmail.com This is what I said and did. Q You vote and I hope we do! The result is already known ... Let the process and now! Carlos VQ Message Sent from my BlackBerry ® Claro terminal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanda UOL" <vanda(a)uol.com.br> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, July 28, 2011 16:05:29 To: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [lac-discuss-es] RES: LACRALO and Elections Friends, we follow the process and stop the time spent with these debates. There process we follow. It was exactly this spending embazó while my proposal not to hold elections now. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 to 1407.8 01418-903 São Paulo, SP, Brazil Tel + 5511 3266.6253 Mob + 55118181.1464 ----- Mensagem original ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Posted in: fifth-feira, 28 Julho 2011 13:38 To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] LACRALO and Elections [[- Translated text (in -> is )--]] Subject: Re: LACRALO and Elections From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Consensus, without a quorum? That's really uncommon common sense. I I grew up knowing that if there is no quorum, no activity is official quorum is not "meeting". Therefore, how can no consensus unless a quorum at a meeting? A connsensus 4? when a quorum is double? Also, I did not see a vote, I saw a survey to confirm the consensus. (Similar as counting hands in a room, or have F2F members say yes or no. (Which leads to the acclamation) may have a problem with the translation, since the survey and the vote was two very different things in English. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: ubiquitous, necessary, and Invisible Free. (After Chris Lehmann) Thu, July 27, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear Jacqueline. The consensus was silence. The proposal of any another candidate. The lack of opposition. And, as Joseph is actually a called stupid to vote for a candidate. My two cents. And the sense common please. > Sent from my BlackBerry Â® wireless device > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:35:12 > A: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] LACRALO and Elections > > JosÃ Â© > We have a candidate with the approval of 36 n 4 ALS, I see 1/9th > How can consensus. I think if I were the candidate > n this position, I'd like all ALS helps me to say, > and therefore, I am both officially approved > Ã Â© matically. 4 out of 36 is kind of a big minorÃa not handle? > SÃ Â³ as my $ 0.03. > > Jacqueline A. Morris > The technology should be like oxygen: ubiquitous, necessary, > Invisible and free. (After Â© s that Chris Lehmann) > > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/958523d86e.html --]]

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RES: LACRALO and Elections
by vanda＠uol.com.br July 28, 2011

July 28, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> es)--]] Subject: RES: LACRALO and Elections From: vanda(a)uol.com.br Friends, we follow the process and stop the time spent with these debates. There process we follow. It was exactly this spending embazó while my proposal not to hold elections now. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 to 1407.8 01418-903 São Paulo, SP, Brazil Tel + 5511 3266.6253 Mob + 55118181.1464 ----- Mensagem original ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Posted in: fifth-feira, 28 Julho 2011 13:38 To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] LACRALO and Elections [[- Translated text (in -> is )--]] Subject: Re: LACRALO and Elections From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Consensus, without a quorum? That's really uncommon common sense. I I grew up knowing that if there is no quorum, no activity is official quorum is not "meeting". Therefore, how can no consensus unless a quorum at a meeting? A connsensus 4? when a quorum is double? Also, I did not see a vote, I saw a survey to confirm the consensus. (Similar as counting hands in a room, or have F2F members say yes or no. (Which leads to the acclamation) may have a problem with the translation, since the survey and the vote was two very different things in English. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: ubiquitous, necessary, and Invisible Free. (After Chris Lehmann) Thu, July 27, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear Jacqueline. The consensus was silence. The proposal of any another candidate. The lack of opposition. And, as Joseph is actually a called stupid to vote for a candidate. My two cents. And the sense common please. > Sent from my BlackBerry Â® wireless device > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:35:12 > A: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] LACRALO and Elections > > JosÃ Â© > We have a candidate with the approval of 36 n 4 ALS, I see 1/9th > How can consensus. I think if I were the candidate > n this position, I'd like all ALS helps me to say, > and therefore, I am both officially approved > Ã Â© matically. 4 out of 36 is kind of a big minorÃa not handle? > SÃ Â³ as my $ 0.03. > > Jacqueline A. Morris > The technology should be like oxygen: ubiquitous, necessary, > Invisible and free. (After Â© s that Chris Lehmann) > > _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/9744f23d5b.html --]]

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emails
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar July 28, 2011

July 28, 2011

[[--Translated text (es -> es)--]] Subject: emails From: presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Fellows and members of staff: after reading the mail jacqueline, I realize that there are mails that I missed, someone can check that is what happens to the two lists? We have an alternative solution that we can communicate all? } Someone contacted the people responsible for the service, to see the more this problem will last? Again I remind everyone that the two representatives should vote regarding the statement on URDP, which had a strong work Jose Arce, this work is due on the 29th of July 2011. Best Regards - * Sergio Salinas Porto Association President Internauta Argentina Argentina Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> Fluid American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org> LACRALO - ALAC Member facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 * * "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "-Eduardo Galeano * _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e96c400143.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Chair Election
by Carlton Samuels July 27, 2011

July 27, 2011

With due regard for translation, I challenge my friend Sergio Salinas Porto to identify and declare any election where the rules for quorum and the electoral process, including election of the first Secretariat, has changed. To answer, he must: 1) Recall the time of the election 2) Recall the number of accredited ALS capable of voting 3) The number of persons placed in nomination for the Post 4) The method by which the officer was returned elected The Secretariat has rightfully insisted on following the rules because of complaints from the same Sergio Salinas Porto in his several speeches for democracy and against undue influence from individuals, his own person exempt, to the LACRALO body. Yes, we are operating in a language-challenged environment. But on these fundamental issues we cannot remain ignorant any longer. I fully agree with Sergio in this context; so long as ignorance remains, it is a vulgar assault on democracy and the democratic traditions we would wish LACRALO to support. All this aside, I am very pleased to see my friend and colleague has apparently changed his mind and is now in support of the consensus candidacy of Jose Arce. My only advice for him now is to complete the process and as the voting member of Internauta Argentina, indicate this position by executing the poll. Hopefully, others will follow his leadership and show their concurring agreement by responding to the poll within the time allotted. Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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FW: to avoid lose more time is needed to complete the Doodle poll & give your YES
by carlos dionisio aguirre July 27, 2011

July 27, 2011

Dear All: to fill the OP requirements please answer the survey sent by Dev. I Repeat Is a Doodle poll. Is not a ballot, is a survey. With the link sent by Dev you can answer for YES or no. is very easy. You must answer the poll. You can not forget to respond Carlos Dionisio Aguirre

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Next Steps Regarding Election
by Carlton Samuels July 27, 2011

July 27, 2011

My brother Carlos: You are absolutely right that silence - no declared opposition - to a proposal would be interpreted as consensus. The only trouble is that you must first have a valid assembly for that consensus to be valid. And per LACRALO rules, we did not have a valid assembly. Cheers, Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= 6. Re: LACRALO and Elections (carlos dionisio aguirre ) > 7. Re: LACRALO and Elections (carlos dionisio aguirre ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:47:09 +0000 > From: "carlos dionisio aguirre " <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections > To: "salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com " <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com>, > "lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org " > <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Message-ID: <SNT131-ds19D7331E1F2A5E01EC9C2FB4350(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > +1 > Enviado desde mi dispositivo inal?mbrico BlackBerry? > > -----Original Message----- > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 02:36:05 > To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections > > [[--Translated text (es -> es)--]] > > ?Subject: Re: LACRALO and Elections > ?From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > ?Beyond the established procedures, it is ridiculous to call a > ?vote with one candidate. > > > ?It is my opinion > > > > >

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