August 2015 - lac-discuss-en

Reminder for this week
by hcarrascob＠gmail.com Aug. 24, 2015

Aug. 24, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Reminder for this week From: hcarrascob(a)gmail.com Dear, I remind you that this week we have the following activities direct relevance to LACRALO: * Monday, August 24, 2015 * 19:00 UTC At-Large Briefing on 2 ^ nd CCWG-Accountability Draft Proposal https://community.icann.org/x/xYBYAw * Tuesday, August 25, 2015 * ** 18:00 UTC: * Briefing on 2nd Draft CCWG-Accountability Proposal: ** https://community.icann.org/x/_JVCAw* 19:00 UTC: ALAC Monthly Teleconference https://community.icann.org/x/opJCAw * Wednesday August 26, 2015 * GSE 23:00 UTC LACRALO Capacity Building Webinar - The New gTLD Program (Intermediate Level) https://community.icann.org/x/y5lCAw * Friday 28 Augosto 2015 * 21:30 UTC: Single Issue Call: LACRALO ALAC Member 2015 election - Candidates Presentation Teleconference *: * * https://community.icann.org/x/vZdCAw* ** Cheers** ** ** [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/92673e7a83.html --]]

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Reminder for this week
by Humberto Carrasco Aug. 24, 2015

Aug. 24, 2015

Dear all, I remind you that this week we have the following activities of direct relevance to LACRALO: *Monday 24 August 2015* 19:00 UTC At-Large Briefing on 2^nd Draft CCWG-Accountability Proposal https://community.icann.org/x/xYBYAw **Tuesday 25 August 2015 ** 18:00 UTC:*Briefing on 2nd Draft CCWG-Accountability Proposal:**https://community.icann.org/x/_JVCAw* 19:00 UTC: ALAC Monthly Teleconference https://community.icann.org/x/opJCAw **Wednesday 26 August 201*5* 23:00 UTC LACRALO GSE Capacity Building Webinar – The new gTLDs Program (Intermediate Level) https://community.icann.org/x/y5lCAw ** * **Friday 28 August 2015* 21:30 UTC: Single Issue Call: LACRALO ALAC Member election 2015 – Candidates Presentation Teleconference*:* *https://community.icann.org/x/vZdCAw *Regards* *

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations
by crg＠isoc-cr.org Aug. 23, 2015

Aug. 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Voting and cancellations From: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Vanda Thanks! Carlos Raul Gutierrez _____________________ email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Skype: carlos.raulg +506 8837 7173 (cell) +506 4000 2000 (home) +506 2290 3678 (fax) _____________________ Section 1571-1000 San Jose, COSTA RICA > On Aug 23, 2015, at 4:17 PM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda(a)scartezini.org> wrote: > > Carlos, creo que es lo mejor a hacer. Veer la lista de los credenciados para las elecciones, leer sus declaraciones de interés y estar listo a votar. > Yo también he votado en las dos encuestas pero comprendo que hubo cuestiones complejas que deben ser dirigidas por procesos correctos. Si hay dificuldades en los caminos no hay motivo para no seguir adelante y finalizar los procesos. > Creo que todos en nuestro grupo dedican su tiempo y esfuerzo para cumplir su tarea. Si unos hacen más otros menos, lo hacen por diferentes oportunidades y competencias que tienen, no porque ellos valoran más o menos a LACRALO o las contribuciones que deben ser hechas a ICANN. > Abrazos > Vanda Scartezini > Polo Consultores Associados > Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 > 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil > Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 > Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 > Sorry for any typos. > > From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>" on behalf of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > Date: Friday, August 21, 2015 at 00:48 > To: Alberto Soto > Cc: "lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>" > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Votaciones y anulaciones > > ¿En el sentido común? > ¿en la amarga experiencia de la ultima parodia de elecciones? > > Tal vez Fatima solo esta usando el SENTIDO COMUN, tan escaso en estos días………en estos días donde todo el mundo tiene los ojos puestos en la rendición de cuentas y transparencia de una entidad llamada ICANN, que parece existir en un planeta distinto a LACRALO. > > volvamos al suelo y leamos en voz altas las SOI, y votemos con nuestra conciencia de rendición de cuentas y transparencia y volvamos al trabajo. > > Buenas noches > > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > _____________________ > > email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org> > Skype: carlos.raulg > +506 8837 7173 (cel) > +506 4000 2000 (home) > +506 2290 3678 (fax) > _____________________ > Apartado 1571-1000 > San Jose, COSTA RICA > > > > > > > >> On Aug 20, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> wrote: >> >> Fatima, por favor, podrías concretar en qué norma estas fundamentando tu contundente afirmación del punto 2.? >> Muchas gracias >> >> Alberto Soto >> <> >> De:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] En nombre de Antonio Medina Gómez >> Enviado el: viernes, 21 de agosto de 2015 12:02 a. m. >> Para: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com <mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com>>; Carlos Vera Q <cveraq(a)gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com>>; LACRALO Español <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Votaciones y anulaciones >> >> Gracias Fatima y Carlos por expresar lo que se debe expresar en el momento oportuno. >> +1 >> El 20/08/2015 21:53, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com <mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com>> escribió: >>> Estimados, >>> >>> Vengo a manifestar mi apoyo a lo expresado por Carlos Vera. >>> Existe un proceso abierto de votación, y el mismo debe finalizar, por los siguientes motivos: >>> >>> 1. En primer lugar, porque no hubo nunca un llamado al consenso. Por lo tanto, ni la Presidencia ni la Secretaría pueden decidir que hubo consenso, cuando nunca se nos pidió a la comunidad que nos manifestemos en ese sentido.Si no se llamó al consenso, no se puede concluir de ninguna manera que hubo consenso. >>> >>> 2. Estando abierto y corriendo un proceso de votación, ya no se puede llamar al consenso. Si hubieran querido saber si había consenso, se lo debería haber preguntado primero antes de abrir las votaciones. >>> >>> 3. Una vez que un miembro de la comunidad hace una moción de orden, esa moción ya le "pertenece" a toda la comunidad, y la Presidencia y Secretaría deben arbirtar los medios para cumplirla. Eso no significa que ya estando abierto un proceso de votación, se le vaya a consultar al miembro de la comunidad que hizo la moción de orden, si le gusta ahora hacer amigables modificaciones. Ya estando abierta la votación, se manda a votar la moción tal cual quedó expresada en la sentencia que se mandó a votar, no se puede modificar esa moción en ese momento (al igual que Carlos, yo ya he votado las dos veces que nos solicitaron votación sobre este tema). >>> >>> Por lo tanto, a continuación expreso mi moción de orden y requiero que la Presidencia y la Secretaría, con el apoyo del Staff, le den curso a esta moción: >>> >>> "Se deberá dejar sin efecto la decisión arbitraria e infundada de cancelar la votación sobre la moción propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty y continuar el proceso de votación de dicha moción inciado el 19 de agosto a las 23 UTC y con fecha de finalización el 26 de agosto a las 23 UTC". >>> >>> Agradezco que por favor se dejen de cometer tantas desprolijidades en cuanto a los procedimientos, y que en caso de desconocer cómo proceder, se busque apoyo de los miembros de la comunidad o del Staff que estén capacitados en estos temas. >>> >>> Agradezco también que no pierdan tiempo en responder este correo con ataques para defenderse. He realizado una moción de orden. Requiero que por favor se arbitren los medios para implementarla. >>> >>> Saludos cordiales, >>> Fatima Cambronero >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> El 20 de agosto de 2015, 21:33, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq(a)gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com>> escribió: >>>> Gracias por el aporte y la reflexión Juan Manuel lo recibo y proceso. >>>> >>>> Carlos Vera Quintana >>>> 0988141143 >>>> Sígueme @cveraq >>>> >>>> El 20/8/2015, a las 20:59, Juan Manuel Rojas <jumaropi(a)yahoo.com <mailto:jumaropi@yahoo.com>> escribió: >>>> >>>>> Alberto, Carlos, todos. >>>>> >>>>> Lo que es una lástima realmente es que la lista se vuelve muy activa cuando se avecinan elecciones de cualquier índole. Es una lástima también que no participemos todos con la frecuencia necesaria ni en el volumen requerido ni dentro de LACRALO ni en los WG del ALAC. >>>>> >>>>> Infortunadamente es, y ha sido, una práctica común. Y cuando alguien propone algo, no falta el que no está de acuerdo y pretende oponerse (porque sí, porque no o porque tal vez, o como digo coloquialmente, por deporte). Asì, es muy dificil establecer una comunidad de trabajo voluntaria que parte precisamente de eso, de la voluntad de quienes lo conformamos. >>>>> >>>>> ¿Realmente vamos a dejar que la participación se convierta en un proceso eleccionario en el que gana el que más apoyo tenga y no quien lo merezca por experiencia o trabajo realizado? Es solo una reflexión que quiero dejar en la lista aprovechando lo "participativos" que están todos. >>>>> >>>>> Cordialmente, >>>>> >>>>> JUAN MANUEL ROJAS >>>>> Comunicador Social >>>>> Presidente - AGEIA DENSI Colombia >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @JmanuRojas <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas> >>>>> >>>>> Unete a LACRALO: >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> El Jueves, 20 de agosto, 2015 20:52:22, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> escribió: >>>>> >>>>> Carlos, es una lástima que no te sirvan las explicaciones. >>>>> Yo les pido a todos que piensen en el tiempo que dedicaron en este último año dentro de LACRALO. >>>>> Esa sola reflexión personal y miren que hizo cada uno por LACRALO. En qué tema importante vertieron su opinión, en que grupo de trabajo volcaron su esfuerzo. En que webinar participaron. En que comentario público volcaron su opinión. A que convocatoria de LACRALO respondieron. >>>>> Solo se equivoca, el que trabaja. >>>>> No aquel que dice hagamos la guerra y vayan a pelear. Esto quizás nos sirva para aprender a participar, y luego, exigir. >>>>> Saludos cordiales >>>>> >>>>> Alberto Soto >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Mensaje original----- >>>>> De: Carlos Vera Quintana [mailto:cveraq@gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com>] >>>>> Enviado el: jueves, 20 de agosto de 2015 10:01 p. m. >>>>> Para: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> >>>>> CC: LACRALO Español <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >>>>> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Votaciones y anulaciones >>>>> >>>>> Alberto no es una crítica solamente. Es un reclamo porque no es posible abortar continuamente procesos. >>>>> >>>>> Si una votación se inicia debe terminarse. >>>>> >>>>> No se que tiene que ver un reclamo sobre procedimientos con los aportes de trabajo de las ALS o sus miembros. Hay que aprender a asumir las responsabilidades en las que nos comprometemos o no asumir cargos. >>>>> >>>>> Carlos Vera Quintana >>>>> 0988141143 >>>>> Sígueme @cveraq >>>>> >>>>> > El 20/8/2015, a las 19:38, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> escribió: >>>>> > >>>>> > Estimados, todos los procesos que se llevaron a cabo últimamente, lo >>>>> > fueron en todo e acuerdo con la normativa que nos rige. La explicación >>>>> > que se está pidiendo, está en el mismo mail que enviamos. >>>>> > Quizás no se explicó que hubo varios problemas de acceso y >>>>> > comunicación con la wiki, si leen los mails pueden comprobarlo. >>>>> > Jacqueline hizo un comentario en la lista de correo porque no podía >>>>> > acceder a la wiki, y luego colocó su propuesta de modificación en la >>>>> > misma. La comunicación desde la wiki a quienes estamos registrados >>>>> > para ser informados de los comentarios en la misma, no funcionó. El >>>>> > proceso de voto hay había sido emitido. Pese a ello, Alejandro fue >>>>> > consultado y dio su aprobación a la propuesta de Jacqueline, además de >>>>> > pronunciarse respecto a la suspensión de la votación y no volver a reanudarla. >>>>> > Creo que las fallas técnicas no pueden ser atribuidas a las personas. >>>>> > Y como venimos repitiendo, necesitamos y agradecemos estas críticas, >>>>> > pero también necesitamos contribuciones para los trabajos que tenemos >>>>> > que hacer para nuestra Región. Si son solo críticas, nunca avanzaremos. >>>>> > Saludos cordiales >>>>> > >>>>> > Alberto Soto >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Mensaje original----- >>>>> > De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> > [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] En nombre de >>>>> > Carlos Vera Quintana Enviado el: jueves, 20 de agosto de 2015 9:16 p. >>>>> > m. >>>>> > Para: LACRALO Español <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >>>>> > Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Votaciones y anulaciones >>>>> > >>>>> > Estimados: con el proceso fallido de votación sobre la moción de >>>>> > Alejandro Pisanty suman varios procesos que se anuncian y someten a >>>>> > votación sin mayor fundamento y que luego en medio de una votación son >>>>> > objetados y reemplazados por otros. >>>>> > >>>>> > Es necesario tener mas cuidado en los procesos para evitar estas fallas. >>>>> > >>>>> > Yo he votado ya varias veces cuando se anuncia la votación que luego >>>>> > se anula o invalida. >>>>> > >>>>> > Espero que este cordial llamado de atención se tome en cuenta y >>>>> > merezca debida respuesta de los responsables. >>>>> > >>>>> > Carlos Vera Quintana >>>>> > 0988141143 >>>>> > Sígueme @cveraq >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > lac-discuss-es mailing list >>>>> > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > --- >>>>> > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. >>>>> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> lac-discuss-es mailing list >>>>> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lac-discuss-es mailing list >>>> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> >>>> >>>> http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fatima Cambronero >>> Abogada >>> Argentina/México >>> >>> Phone: Argentina: +54 9351 5282 668 - México: +52 (55) 3018 2066 <tel:%2B52%20%2855%29%203018%202066> >>> Twitter: @facambronero >>> Skype: fatima.cambronero >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lac-discuss-es mailing list >>> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> >>> >>> http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. >> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-es mailing list >> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> >> >> http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1b8a10c245.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations
by vanda＠scartezini.org Aug. 23, 2015

Aug. 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Voting and cancellations From: vanda(a)scartezini.org Carlos, I think it is best to do. Veer list of credentialed for the elections, read their statements of interest and be ready to vote. I also voted in both surveys but I understand that there were complex issues that must be addressed by correct processes. If there is any difficulty in ways no reason not to go ahead and complete the process. I think everyone in our group devote their time and effort to accomplish their task. If some do more than others do so for different opportunities and skills they have, not because they value roughly LACRALO or contributions to be made to ICANN. Hugs Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> "On Behalf Of Carlos Raul Gutierrez Date: Friday, August 21, 2015 at 00:48 To: Alberto Soto Cc: "lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations In the common sense? In the bitter experience of the last election parody? Perhaps Fatima is just using common sense, so rare these days ......... these days where everyone has their eyes on accountability and transparency of an entity called ICANN, which seems to be on a different planet LACRALO. back to the ground and read in high voice the SOI, we vote with our conscience and accountability and transparency back to work. Good evening Carlos Raul Gutierrez _____________________ email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org> Skype: carlos.raulg +506 8837 7173 (cell) +506 4000 2000 (home) +506 2290 3678 (fax) _____________________ Section 1571-1000 San Jose, COSTA RICA On Aug 20, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > Wrote: Fatima, please could you specify what standard these basing your strong statement of point 2? Thank you Alberto Soto From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of Antonio Medina Gomez Posted on: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:02 AM To: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com<mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com> >; Carlos Vera Q <cveraq(a)gmail.com<mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> >; Spanish LACRALO <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations Thanks Fatima and Carlos by express what must be expressed at the right time. +1 The 08/20/2015 21:53, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com<mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com> > He wrote: Dear, I come to express my support for the statement made by Carlos Vera. There is an open voting process, and it must end, for the following reasons: 1. First, because there was never a call for consensus. Therefore, neither the President nor the Secretary may decide that there was consensus when we were never asked the community to manifest us that sentido.Si was not called the consensus, we can not conclude that there was no way of consensus. 2. Being open and running a voting process, and you can not call consensus.If they wanted to know if there was consensus, it should have asked first before opening the voting. 3. Once a community member makes a point of order, this motion because it "belongs" to the community, and the Chair and Secretariat should arbirtar the means to fulfill it. That does not mean being a voting process already open, you are going to consult the community member who made the point of order, if you like now make friendly amendments. And the vote being open, is sent to vote on the motion as it was expressed in the statement that was sent to vote, can not change that motion at that time (like Carlos, I have voted both times they asked us vote on this issue). So then express my point of order, I require that the Chair and the Secretariat, with the support of Staff, will give effect to this motion: "It should rescind arbitrary and unfounded decision to cancel the vote on the motion proposed by Alejandro Pisanty and continue the voting process inciado the motion on August 19 at 23 UTC and end date August 26 23 UTC. " Thank you to please stop making so much carelessness as to the procedures, and in case of not knowing how to proceed, support from community members or staff who are trained in these issues is sought. Thanks also to waste no time in answering this mail attacks to defend themselves. I made a point of order. I request you to please the means to implement it arbitrate. Best regards, Fatima Cambronero The August 20, 2015, 21:33, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq(a)gmail.com<mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> > He wrote: Thanks for the input and reflection Juan Manuel I receive and process. Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Follow mecveraq On 20/08/2015, at 20:59, Juan Manuel Rojas <jumaropi(a)yahoo.com<mailto:jumaropi@yahoo.com> > He wrote: Alberto, Carlos, everyone. What is really unfortunate is that the list becomes active when elections are approaching any kind. It is also a pity that not all participate as often as necessary or required either inside or in the LACRALO ALAC WG volume. Unfortunately it is, and has been a common practice. And when someone proposes something, it does not miss the one disagrees and intends to oppose (because yes, no or maybe because, as I say or colloquially, by sport). So, it is very difficult to establish a community of volunteer work precisely that part of the will of those who conform. Are we really going to let the participation to become an election process in which wins the most support have and not who deserves it by experience or work?It's just a reflection that I want to make the list taking advantage of "participatory" they are all. Sincerely, JUAN MANUEL ROJAS Social communicator President - AGEIA DENSI Colombia Twitter:JmanuRojas <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas> Join LACRALO: https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es On Thursday, August 20, 2015 20:52:22 Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > He wrote: Carlos is a shame that will not serve the explanations. I ask everyone to think about the time you spent in the past year within LACRALO. That one personal reflection and made everyone look for LACRALO. In what important issue they shed their opinion, in that working group turned their effort. They participated webinar. Public comment that they turned their opinion. A LACRALO answered that call. Only he is wrong, he works. No one who says we do go to war and fight. This may help us to learn to participate, and then demand. Best regards Alberto Soto -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Vera Quintana [mailto: cveraq(a)gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> ] Posted on: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:01 pm To: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > CC: LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations Alberto is not a criticism only. It is a claim because it is not possible to abort processes continuously. If a vote is started it must be completed. It is not about a complaint about procedures with input from ALS or work of its members. We must learn to assume the responsibilities that we undertake or assume positions. Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Follow mecveraq > El 20/8/2015, a las 19:38, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> escribió: > > Estimados, todos los procesos que se llevaron a cabo últimamente, lo > fueron en todo e acuerdo con la normativa que nos rige. La explicación > que se está pidiendo, está en el mismo mail que enviamos. > Quizás no se explicó que hubo varios problemas de acceso y > comunicación con la wiki, si leen los mails pueden comprobarlo. > Jacqueline hizo un comentario en la lista de correo porque no podía > acceder a la wiki, y luego colocó su propuesta de modificación en la > misma. La comunicación desde la wiki a quienes estamos registrados > para ser informados de los comentarios en la misma, no funcionó. El > proceso de voto hay había sido emitido. Pese a ello, Alejandro fue > consultado y dio su aprobación a la propuesta de Jacqueline, además de > pronunciarse respecto a la suspensión de la votación y no volver a reanudarla. > Creo que las fallas técnicas no pueden ser atribuidas a las personas. > Y como venimos repitiendo, necesitamos y agradecemos estas críticas, > pero también necesitamos contribuciones para los trabajos que tenemos > que hacer para nuestra Región. Si son solo críticas, nunca avanzaremos. > Saludos cordiales > > Alberto Soto > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] En nombre de > Carlos Vera Quintana Enviado el: jueves, 20 de agosto de 2015 9:16 p. > m. > Para: LACRALO Español <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> > Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Votaciones y anulaciones > > Estimados: con el proceso fallido de votación sobre la moción de > Alejandro Pisanty suman varios procesos que se anuncian y someten a > votación sin mayor fundamento y que luego en medio de una votación son > objetados y reemplazados por otros. > > Es necesario tener mas cuidado en los procesos para evitar estas fallas. > > Yo he votado ya varias veces cuando se anuncia la votación que luego > se anula o invalida. > > Espero que este cordial llamado de atención se tome en cuenta y > merezca debida respuesta de los responsables. > > Carlos Vera Quintana > 0988141143 > Sígueme @cveraq > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org<http://www.lacralo.org/> > > > --- > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > Avast antivirus software scanned this email for viruses. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> - Fatima Cambronero Lawyer Argentina / Mexico Phone: Argentina: +54 9351 5282 668 - Mexico: +52 (55) 3018 2066 <tel:%2B52%20%2855%29%203018%202066> Twitter:facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> ________________________________ [Avast logo] < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> Avast antivirus software scanned this email for viruses. www.avast.com < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/47ee9b0942.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG on Liability
by vanda＠scartezini.org Aug. 23, 2015

Aug. 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG on Liability From: vanda(a)scartezini.org Thanks Alberto! Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> "On Behalf Of Alberto Soto Date: Friday, August 21, 2015 at 23:59 To: "lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG on Liability Dear, do not wait for the first webinar and somehow start the treatment of the issues that interest us. You can see complete this Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG Liability in the following links: https://goo.gl/utyl6E https://goo.gl/KVg4pw https://goo.gl/efH8mM https://goo.gl/ZHjT1k Suggest to address the issues, consider the paragraph number. And in the beginning I suggest the 154: ADVICE AND LEADERSHIP PRIVATE SECTOR CONTRARY TO THE STATUTES 154 Several commentators governments strongly objected to the proposed 11 change existing Core Value, which states that the ICANN "retaining its roots in the private sector" should "recognize that governments and public authorities are responsible for public policy" and should have into account the recommendations of such authorities. After extensive discussion, the CCWG on Liability intends to address these concerns in two ways:  First, to eliminate confusion about the meaning of "private sector" in the ICANN Bylaws, we propose explicitly determine that the private sector includes commercial stakeholders, civil society, technical community and the academic sector.Note: A minority suggests that the meaning of "private sector" should be included in the description of the term, however, commercial suppliers, business users, individual end-users, civil society, academia and the technical community.  Second, we propose to delete text that some commentators read to remove the obligation of ICANN to request the GAC consensus advice. Instead, we propose to amend Article XI of the Statutes as follows: each consultant should inform the advisory committee, with references to international or national law applicable and relevant, as appropriate. The proposed text also implements the recommendation ATRT2 that requires ICANN to work with the GAC to facilitate the development and publication of the basis of the advice of the GAC at the time of delivery.  Third, we propose to clarify that the independent review process applies to all violations of the Articles of ICANN, including violations resulting from the action or inaction of ICANN from the contribution of advisory committees or organizations support for. ALAC opinion on this paragraph is as follows (in English): Paragraph 154, Bullet 2: The ALAC Strongly supports the minority position That Should be end-users Explicitly referenced. Organizations user, Although many can be classed as civil society, That is not true in the case overall. [Need additional rationale demonstrating Where the two cases are different]. I suggest that after skimming the index of this document, propose topics by paragraph number, to continue his treatment in the list, and subsequent placement of comments on the wiki. Best regards Alberto Soto ________________________________ [Avast logo] < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> Avast antivirus software scanned this email for viruses. www.avast.com < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b704ff9c3f.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations
by vanda＠scartezini.org Aug. 23, 2015

Aug. 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Voting and cancellations From: vanda(a)scartezini.org Jacqueline have placed conditions feedback, it is good to inform everyone Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> "On Behalf Of" cveraq(a)gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> " Date: Friday, August 21, 2015 at 15:57 To: Jose Arce Cc: "lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations Dear: This point of order raised by Fatima and has received various supports must be resolved. Cheers Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Follow mecveraq On 21/08/2015, at 8:53, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com<mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> > He wrote: SUPPORT THE MOTION OF FATIMA JOSEPH ARCE.- The August 20, 2015, 23:53, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero(a)gmail.com<mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com> > He wrote: open and run a voting process, and you can not call consensus. Had qu - Arce, Jose F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/605fae82f6.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Fwd: CALL FOR COMMENTS: Draft ALAC Statement on the Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report (Work Stream 1)
by vanda＠uol.com.br Aug. 23, 2015

Aug. 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR COMMENTS: Draft ALAC Statement on the Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report (Work Stream 1) From: vanda(a)uol.com.br I believe Leon's presentation HAD Clarify in a very good way anyone Could have any doubt on Accountability Regarding CCWG. Excellent work by the way! This is the acceptance of Alex proposal. We had a time dedicated to Relevant With Leon leading the policy process. I would like to see all commenting at the wiki page. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" On Behalf Of Alejandro Pisanty Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 11:56 To: "lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] CALL FOR COMMENTS: Draft ALAC Statement on the Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report (Work Stream 1) Hello, while if we decide matters of "policy" they are important ... While we decided if policy issues are important ... Alejandro Pisanty ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Date: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:18 PM Subject: [ALAC-Announce] CALL FOR COMMENTS: Draft ALAC Statement on the Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report (Work Stream 1) To: "alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> "At-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Dear All, On behalf of the ALAC, Alan Greenberg Have developed the first draft Statement in response to the Public Comment on Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report (Work Stream 1). The draft, as well as pertinent resources for the Public Comment, can be found here in Its wiki workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/a45CAw. Please take a moment to review draft and if esta You have input, Please submit it in the wiki workspace by using the comment function Thursday 3 September. You will need to log in to the wiki to use the comment function. If you don 't have to login or Have other issue using the wiki, kindly contact staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. Inputs Submitted In This mailing list will be transferred is to the wiki workspace for the penholder (s) to keep track of the community comment and take them into consideration when Finalizing the draft. PLEASE NOTE THAT esta draft Statement was Discussed During the ICANN IANA Issues & Accountability Working Group teleconference today (August 18, 2015). May you find the recordings of That teleconference on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/hJZCAw. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icannatlarge Twitter:ICANNAtLarge _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e865633c45.html --]]

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Another suggested specific topic
by asoto＠ibero-americano.org Aug. 23, 2015

Aug. 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Another suggested specific topic From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Dear, I think too many topics. I'm trying considered the most important, but it's just my opinion. I hope you a good participation to send the list of issues they consider important. In addition I not think we have time for all try all issues. I suggest adopting the following strategy: once someone propose sb theme, someone voluntarily take over, check with two or three MSY members then present a summary of proposicin. But not try a formal working group, because the terms do not provide for it. A new topic that I propose: 148 and following paragraph shall: Working out of a commitment by ICANN HUMAN RIGHTS 149. Liability CCWG has extensively discussed the opportunity Linked to include a commitment to human rights, with the mission statement ICANN in ICANN Bylaws. The group encomendun legal analysis on whether the finalizacin of Contract IANA functions would cause changes in the obligations of ICANN, within its defined with respect to human rights mission. While not encontrninguna cuestin is important to that related finalizacin directly with the functions of the IANA Contract reconocilos group recurring debates about the nature of the ICANN responsibility for the respect of human rights Mission essential within ICANN. Subsequent paragraphs are also substantial Best regards Alberto Soto --- Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. https://www.avast.com/antivirus [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3e6a4f84f5.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG on Liability
by apisanty＠gmail.com Aug. 22, 2015

Aug. 22, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG on Liability From: apisanty(a)gmail.com Alberto, It is encouraging you start the discussion of this issue by focusing on points concrete whose relevance is aligned with the expertise and interests the legitimate representative organizations of users. Regarding paragraph 154, "Bullet" 2 (in Mexico typographers say "Bullet"): At Large was conceived as a space for users General Internet, not only non-commercial; and touch interests IP addresses and protocol parameters, not just names domain. These are the two At Large differences between on the one hand and NCDNHC, NCUC, and NCSG NPOC other. It is understood that general users (Non-corporate) Internet can have a commercial interest as law firms, medical practices, etc. (And not represent that may represent conflicts of interest).I hope this helps ALAC what you are proposing in this paragraph. As for the longer text that you include: 1. have to analyze the implications of the phrase "international law"; It has very extensive ramifications which if necessary can be abound. Not all are desirable. 2. explicit mention of end users must be qualified too. We are constantly seeing these are not easily represented. The accountability, transparency and protection against arrest private or government in this sector must go deeper. 3. the definition of "private sector" has been a puzzle since the ICANN was founded. This phrase represents "everything that is not government" Anglo American nomenclature in use in 1999. In much of Europe and Latin America, at least, represents companies profit. How much you will need to specify which groups make up this sector It is subject to discussion, obviously. Four.By ISOC Mexico we have consistently seen at least since the WSIS, the Internet technical community must be mentioned explicitly, since knowledge of technology and its evolution it is essential for its governance. For this goes beyond Internet yet in other fields of sectoral governance as forests or the sea, since the medium is explicitly constructed and its governance built about the same time that its technology. In some cases governance sets limits or create aspirations for technology. This part, therefore, should not be overlooked. Some vices system multistakeholder are not intrinsic but you should not attend the technogenic criteria. Hopefully we can advance the discussion and construction of a position reasoned collective at least this doscientosavo the total work. Alejandro Pisanty 21/08/2015 21:59 GMT-05: 00 Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> : > Estimados, para no esperar el primer webinar y comenzar de alguna forma el > tratamiento de los temas que nos interesen. > > Pueden ver completa Esta Segunda Propuesta Preliminar del CCWG sobre > Responsabilidad, en los siguientes links: > > > > https://goo.gl/utyl6E Español > > https://goo.gl/KVg4pw Frances > > https://goo.gl/efH8mM Ingles > > https://goo.gl/ZHjT1k Portugues > > > > > > Sugiero que para tratar los temas, tomemos el número de párrafo. Y en > principio sugiero el 154: > > > > ASESORAMIENTO Y LIDERAZGO DEL SECTOR PRIVADO CONTRARIO A LOS ESTATUTOS > > 154 Varios comentaristas de gobiernos objetaron fuertemente el cambio > propuesto al Valor Fundamental 11 existente, que establece que la ICANN > “conservando sus raíces en el sector privado” debe “reconocer que los > gobiernos y las autoridades públicas son responsables de las políticas > públicas” y debe tener en cuenta las recomendaciones de tales autoridades. > Tras una extensa conversación, el CCWG sobre Responsabilidad propone > abordar estas inquietudes de dos maneras:  Primero, para eliminar la > confusión sobre el significado de “sector privado” en los Estatutos de la > ICANN, proponemos determinar de forma explícita que el sector privado > incluye a partes interesadas comerciales, la sociedad civil, la comunidad > técnica y al sector académico. Nota: Una minoría sugiere que el significado > de “sector privado” debe incluir en la descripción del término, en cambio, > a los proveedores comerciales, usuarios comerciales, usuarios finales > individuales, la sociedad civil, el sector académico y la comunidad > técnica.  En segundo lugar, proponemos eliminar el texto que algunos > comentaristas leyeron para eliminar la obligación de la ICANN para > solicitar asesoramiento consensuado al GAC. En cambio, proponemos enmendar > el Artículo XI de los Estatutos de la siguiente manera: cada comité asesor > debería fundamentar el asesoramiento, con referencias al derecho > internacional o nacional aplicable y pertinente, cuando corresponda. El > texto propuesto también implementa la recomendación de ATRT2, que requiere > que la ICANN trabaje con el GAC para facilitarle el desarrollo y > publicación del fundamento del asesoramiento del GAC al momento de su > provisión.  En tercer lugar, proponemos aclarar que el proceso de > revisión independiente se aplica a todas las violaciones de los Estatutos > de la ICANN, incluso las violaciones que resultan de la acción o inacción > de la ICANN a partir del aporte de los comités asesores u organizaciones de > apoyo. > > > > La opinión de ALAC sobre este párrafo es la siguiente (en Inglés): > > > > Paragraph 154, Bullet 2:The ALAC strongly supports the minority position > that end-users should be explicitly referenced. Although many user > organizations can be classed as civil society, that is not true in the > general case. [Need additional rationale demonstrating cases where the two > are different]. > > > > Sugiero que luego de una rápida lectura al índice de este documento, > propongan temas por número de párrafo, para continuar su tratamiento en la > lista, y posterior colocación de comentarios en la wiki. > > > > Saludos cordiales > > > > Alberto Soto > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en > busca de virus. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM Faculty of Chemistry 3000 University Avenue,. 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD SMS FROM MEXICO +525541444475 +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty UNAM Join the LinkedIn group, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG on Liability
by asoto＠ibero-americano.org Aug. 22, 2015

Aug. 22, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG on Liability From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Dear, do not wait for the first webinar and somehow start the treatment of the issues that interest us. You can see complete this Second Preliminary Proposal CCWG Liability in the following links: https://goo.gl/utyl6E https://goo.gl/KVg4pw https://goo.gl/efH8mM https://goo.gl/ZHjT1k Suggest to address the issues, consider the paragraph number. And in the beginning I suggest the 154: ADVICE AND LEADERSHIP PRIVATE SECTOR CONTRARY TO THE STATUTES 154 Several commentators governments strongly objected to the proposed 11 change existing Core Value, which states that the ICANN "retaining its roots in the private sector" should "recognize that governments and public authorities are responsible for public policy" and should have into account the recommendations of such authorities. After extensive discussion, the CCWG on Liability intends to address these concerns in two ways:  First, to eliminate confusion about the meaning of "private sector" in the ICANN Bylaws, we propose explicitly determine that the private sector includes commercial stakeholders, civil society, technical community and the academic sector. Note: A minority suggests that the meaning of "private sector" should be included in the description of the term, however, commercial suppliers, business users, individual end-users, civil society, academia and the technical community.  Second, we propose to delete tex t that some commentators read to remove the obligation of ICANN to request the GAC consensus advice.Instead, we propose to amend Article XI of the Statutes as follows: each consultant should inform the advisory committee, with references to international or national law applicable and relevant, as appropriate. The proposed text also implements the recommendation ATRT2 that requires ICANN to work with the GAC to facilitate the development and publication of the basis of the advice of the GAC at the time of delivery.  Third, we propose to clarify that the independent review process applies to all violations of the Articles of ICANN, including violations resulting from the action or inaction of ICANN from the contribution of advisory committees or organizations support for. ALAC opinion on this paragraph is as follows (in English): Paragraph 154, Bullet 2: The ALAC Strongly supports the minority position That Should be end-users Explicitly referenced. Organizations user, Although many can be classed as civil society, That is not true in the case overall. [Need additional rationale demonstrating Where the two cases are different]. I suggest that after skimming the index of this document, propose topics by paragraph number, to continue his treatment in the list, and subsequent placement of comments on the wiki. Best regards Alberto Soto --- Avast antivirus software scanned this email for viruses. https://www.avast.com/antivirus [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1181db0cca.html --]]

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