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Second draft: How to process Latin letters in specific languages
by Mirjana Tasić Feb. 1, 2017

Feb. 1, 2017

Dear Latin GP members, I have uploaded new version of the table with EGIDS=3,4 languages. There are 86 languages in the table for processing. The link to the table is https://docs.google.com/document/d/13t67htDfalz5DgGVtU19RJAYvj8JLXDuZmOwirs… I, also made some instructions how the processing of letters in selected languages could be done Please look at the instructions and help me to improve them. The link to the instructions in Google docs is https://docs.google.com/document/d/11f-WaDQuBAj9O9JqHQp-s6t-cWcJjjhHuj3OZ0y… As I looked a little bit in the table and procedure, my opinion is that every willing member could take at least 10 languages for processing. Processing 10 languages will give us better estimation how much time is needed for all languages. I am asking willing members to send me a note , and I shall allocate to each willing member a block of 10 languages in the table. Regards Mirjana

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Notes from the call on 26th of January 2017
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 30, 2017

Jan. 30, 2017

Dear colleagues, Here are some notes on the conference call held on January 26th, 2017. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Following GP members were present on the call: Dennis Tan Tanaka Mats Dufberg Meikal Mumin Michael Bauland Mirjana Tasić Sarmad Hussain …to be added some more names after Sarmad put the recording of the call on Latin GP wiki pages https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Latin+GP Excused Hazem Hezzah Main topic for discussion was, how to estimate amount of time that is necessary to complete the whole work. 1. Members have agreed that Mirjana make a table with languages EGIDS = 3,4 using following data Languages using Latin script with EGIDS 1-4<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YBb7wsy_hjBex6JXSIeJNOeK1KMIjU70pQRqLFR…> Mirjana will choose two languages per member, and ask members to find UUNICODE codes for all letters in the specific languages 2. Mirjana will send an explanation to the list, how the table 00-LatinLanguages-A-Z-V04-EGIDSOrder<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1msQXRnl3Fl4voIcoerBO1eSBsdtbbgn0LSjsUIu…> is produced 3. Meikal and Mats will check the completeness of table Latin part of MSR2 with attestations v5<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tu_WfZ2OAYmzUMmU3Ys9pxPafd_YQ35XBCNUpYV…>, whether all codes from MSR2 are included in the table. 4. Sarmad will get information from IP how to treat diacritics in the table Latin part of MSR2 with attestations v5<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tu_WfZ2OAYmzUMmU3Ys9pxPafd_YQ35XBCNUpYV…>. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Mirjana

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Proposal - How to proceed with attesting Latin letters in MSR2 using available sources, starting from language alphabets side
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 27, 2017

Jan. 27, 2017

Here are some thoughts how the attestation can be done. Please, feel free to comment, correct, add some ideas… Regards Mirjana ________________________________________________________ Proposal - How to proceed with attesting Latin letters in MSR2 using available sources, starting from language alphabets side: For every language, some information on the alphabet used by that language could be found starting from http://www.omniglot.com/writing/langalph.htm and browsing every individual entry for languages listed in the section which shows the languages using Latin script. Every letter in the specific alphabet should be investigated and checked against Latin part of MSR2 with attestation<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tu_WfZ2OAYmzUMmU3Ys9pxPafd_YQ35XBCNUpYV…> . There are three possible cases: 1. If the letter is previously marked with CLDR in column Ref in the table Latin part of MSR2 with attestation<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tu_WfZ2OAYmzUMmU3Ys9pxPafd_YQ35XBCNUpYV…> , this letter has to be skipped, it is attested. 1. If any letter (without CLDR in column Ref) is found, the row in the table must be filled with available information. 1. If any new letter, which is not in the table Latin part of MSR2 with attestation<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tu_WfZ2OAYmzUMmU3Ys9pxPafd_YQ35XBCNUpYV…>, would be found, it has to be added at the end of table with all available information. 1. Minimum set of information on specific letter that has to be filled in the table Latin part of MSR2 with attestation<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tu_WfZ2OAYmzUMmU3Ys9pxPafd_YQ35XBCNUpYV…>, are: * Unicode code * Glyph (if the source allows copy/paste function) * Example of language using the code point * UNICODE character name * Comment on the sources which provided relevant information

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Please check your e-mail
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 27, 2017

Jan. 27, 2017

Dear GP members, Please check your e-mail addresses for editing Google Docs documents. Name e-mail 1. Abdeslam Nasri abdeslam.nasri(a)gmail.com 1. Dennis Tan dt9176(a)gmail.com 1. Hazem Hezzah hhezzah.las(a)gmail.com 1. Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg(a)iis.se 1. Meikal Mumin meikal(a)mumin.de 1. Mirjana Tasic tasmirjana(a)gmail.com 1. Richard Hofmann richof77(a)gmail.com 1. Sarmad Hussain sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org 1. Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji(a)gmail.com 1. Tarik Merghani tarik.merghani(a)gmail.com I will add any new addresses you need, please send request to tasmirjana(a)gmail.com<mailto:tasmirjana@gmail.com>. Regards Mirjana

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How the table with languages using Latin script had been produced
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 27, 2017

Jan. 27, 2017

Dear GP members , Here are some information on how I produced the table in question. I. The table 00-LatinLanguages-A-Z-V04-EGIDSOrder<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1msQXRnl3Fl4voIcoerBO1eSBsdtbbgn0LSjsUIu…> Main source for languages using Latin script was http://www.omniglot.com/writing/langalph.htm In the middle of this page there is a non-exhaustive list of languages using Latin script, which I took and used it to form the main row (Language) in the table 00-LatinLanguages-A-Z-V04-EGIDSOrder<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1msQXRnl3Fl4voIcoerBO1eSBsdtbbgn0LSjsUIu…> All the other columns are filled using copy/paste function and getting information about every language using: * Link from the http://www.omniglot.com/writing/langalph.htm that is providing the information on alphabet used by the language * Some data on languages could be found in Wikipedia<https://www.wikipedia.org/> * The data for the columns in the table 00-LatinLanguages-A-Z-V04-EGIDSOrder<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1msQXRnl3Fl4voIcoerBO1eSBsdtbbgn0LSjsUIu…> ISO 639-3 Classification Population EGIDS Language map are collected form the site https://www.ethnologue.com/browse/names browsing the entry for every individual language, and copying relevant information in the table 00-LatinLanguages-A-Z-V04-EGIDSOrder<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1msQXRnl3Fl4voIcoerBO1eSBsdtbbgn0LSjsUIu…>. I must admit, I had no time to double check all the information, so there might be some mistakes in the table 00-LatinLanguages-A-Z-V04-EGIDSOrder<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1msQXRnl3Fl4voIcoerBO1eSBsdtbbgn0LSjsUIu…>. This task took me three months to fulfill. Regards Mirjana

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MSR-2 subset relevant for Latin GP
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 27, 2017

Jan. 27, 2017

Dear All, Please find attached the relevant subset of MSR-2 for Latin GP, following our discussion during the call yesterday. This excerpt contains the 305 code points tagged "sc:Latn" and 21 code points tagged "sc:Zinh" in MSR-2. Also included are all the relevant other parts of the MSR-2 XML file, so that this file makes a useful starting point. Both the XML and corresponding (more readable) HTML files are attached. Regards, Sarmad

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Agenda - Conf. call 26th of January 2017
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 26, 2017

Jan. 26, 2017

Dear GP members, Here is the agenda for today conference call: 1. Roll call 2. Discussion on section 3. Work plan of the proposal 3. AOB Regards Mirjana

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Latin GP meetings - alternate Thursdays 1pm UTC
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 26, 2017

Jan. 26, 2017

A gentle reminder for the meeting today (26 Jan). How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Introducing a new member: Mr. Toan from VNNIC, Vietnam
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 26, 2017

Jan. 26, 2017

Dear All, I am pleased to announce that Mr. Tran Canh Toan, Deputy Director of Technical Department, VNNIC has joined the Latin GP. He brings technical expertise to the group as well as native knowledge of Vietnamese language. Please join me to welcome him to the GP. Regards, Sarmad

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Latin GP meeting at ICANN 58
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 26, 2017

Jan. 26, 2017

Dear All, We are planning to organize a 75 minute face to face meeting for the Latin GP at ICANN 58. For those who are coming to Copenhagen, it will be an opportunity to meet each other and work together. For those who are not attending, we will arrange for remote participation. If you are planning to be at ICANN 58, please let us know, so that we can get a count of members anticipated in the meeting. You can email me offlist and I will compile and share the final list of people attending. Please note that these sessions are by default open and published, to allow for the larger community at ICANN to interact with the GPs during these face to face meetings, unless requested by the GP to make it closed. Please let me know. Regards, Sarmad

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Preparation for telephone conference on 26th of January
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 24, 2017

Jan. 24, 2017

Dear GP members I’ll try to summarize what we have done in previous two weeks, and what we shall discuss during our next call: 1. Information on Mats Dufberg and Denis Tan Tanaka added in tables in sections 2.1 and 2.2.1 of the Proposal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eSk8rIwR4Kev9v0SJrllawVt_GWYBHVU-YB6Kkw… I am politely asking Denis and Mats to look to these tables and make necessary corrections 2. We had some discussions on diacritics between Mats and Sarmad, this topic should be concluded, some volunteers needed to correct or add necessary information. 3. Last week I sent the results of previous GP work. We must try to fill 3.2 Proposed schedules of meetings and teleconferences Next call is scheduled for 26th od January. Sarmad will soon circulate the remainder. Best regards Mirjana

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How should combining diacritic marks be handled?
by Mats Dufberg Jan. 18, 2017

Jan. 18, 2017

Dear all, MSR2 contains a number of combining diacritic marks, e.g. U+0323 COMBINING DOT BELOW. It might be that we find that some of the languages that should be supported requires that code point in combination with, say, "n", i.e. "U+006E U+0323". Let us assume that there is no pre-composed equivalent code point. We can then justify the inclusion of U+0323. Will then the Integration Panel accept that code point in any context, or just in the specific context? If the IP requires that we justify combining diacritic marks for every context it will be allowed for, then we have to go language by language to find all combinations to support. If the IP accepts to include a combining diacritic mark for any context as long as it is justified for one language, then we can go code point by code point as long as we can find justification for all Latin code points in MSR2 and we assume no more code points are needed. If the purpose of our work is to create a Latin IDN table that supports all listed languages (EGIDS value 4 or 5 as decided) then I cannot see how we can achieve that without inspecting all those languages. Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/

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Information on previous work
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 16, 2017

Jan. 16, 2017

Dear colleagues, Here you can find some information on the work previously done. You will find Google docs links to all submitted tables. Regards Mirjana Short list of previous work done for future use with Latin GP 1. Languages using Latin script with EGIDS 1-4 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YBb7wsy_hjBex6JXSIeJNOeK1KMIjU70pQRqLFR… Only languages with EGIDS 1 to 4 are listed here. There are 180 languages. 1. Languages using Latin script source - http://www.omniglot.com/writing/langalph.htm https://docs.google.com/document/d/10_icuPbPusWXCZwNGhHk5eXg7-3QO5aZ-nNgGvr… This table is sorted by EGIDS. There are 455 languages listed 1. Languages using Latin script with EGIDS = 5 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PwUa4Tkqpp2GGz8-hYDbKz357BSlMG6vkbrAmUq… This table has some data on languages using Latin script with EGIDS=5 There are 110 languages in this table with population of 117,276,998. 1. Latin part of MSR2 with attestation v5 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tu_WfZ2OAYmzUMmU3Ys9pxPafd_YQ35XBCNUpYV… Chris Dillon has worked on this table. There are 279 UNICODE codes listed in this table representing Latin script from MSR2. Chris has detected 185 codes and they are written in black. These 185 codes have a language with EGIDS characteristic associated. There are 94 codes, without detected language with EGIDS characteristic.. These codes have to be the subject of our future work

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Agenda for the conference call on 12th of January, 2017
by Mirjana Tasić Jan. 12, 2017

Jan. 12, 2017

Dear colleagues, Please find the proposed agenda for our next call. I can only repeat Sarmad's appeal, please read the document and communicate whatever is on your mind. Regards Mirjana __________________________________________________________________________________________ Agenda for the conference call on 12th of January, 2017 1. Roll call 2. Latin GP proposal discussion https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eSk8rIwR4Kev9v0SJrllawVt_GWYBHVU-YB6Kkw… 3. AOB

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Re: [Latingp] Latin GP meeting - UTC 1400; alternate Wednesdays 11Jan-8Mar 2017
by Mats Dufberg Jan. 10, 2017

Jan. 10, 2017

Is the meeting time on Wednesdays 14:00 UTC cancelled? Specifically, the time tomorrow? Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist, IIS Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://www.iis.se/en/ From: sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org When: 15:00 - 16:00 11 January 2017 Subject: Latin GP meeting - UTC 1400; alternate Wednesdays 11Jan-8Mar 2017 Location: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692 _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp

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Canceled: Latin GP meeting - UTC 1400; alternate Wednesdays 11Jan-8Mar 2017
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 10, 2017

Jan. 10, 2017

IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Canceled: Latin GP meeting - UTC 1400; alternate Wednesdays 11Jan-8Mar 2017
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 10, 2017

Jan. 10, 2017

IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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Action requested: Doodle poll for Latin GP meeting commencing week of 9 Jan 2017
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 10, 2017

Jan. 10, 2017

Dear All, Hope you all had a happy and relaxing holiday season with your families, and wish you all a fruitful 2017! As we have new members of Latin GP from different geographical regions, who are starting with us from 2017, we are conducting a doodle poll again so that we can find a reasonable time for the meeting for everybody. Our original time was alternate Thursdays at 1400 UTC. This time is also included as one of the option. You are kindly requested to visit http://doodle.com/poll/crmd5ksaw2fnxqdh and mark the times you could be available on regular basis for next few months. Please mark your response within this week, by 7 January. Based on the response, we will commence our calls the following week. Regards, Sarmad

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Latin GP meetings - alternate Thursdays 1pm UTC
by Sarmad Hussain Jan. 10, 2017

Jan. 10, 2017

How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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