October 2015 - lac-discuss-en

Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????? Q = utf-8 B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la_S VIEW = C3 = = = utf-8 ociedad_Civil q =?
by crg＠isoc-cr.org Oct. 5, 2015

Oct. 5, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:????? Q = utf-8 B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la_S VIEW = C3 = = = utf-8 ociedad_Civil q =? From: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Thanks Carlos I insist that we should think a little more and have a definition instead of reaching positive exclusion, to avoid "overlapping" or "overlays". Many academics or consultants may be the heart of the civil society, but from time to time found doing work for (or against the interests of the) Operators or governmental entities (investment plans public). And I have nothing against them to do, but that There are academic and government sectors and always just They can declare their interest at particular times (such as SOI ICANN). For me personally the idea of \u200b\u200bcivil society on these issues is quite simply the connected user (or she wants, but does not You can connect) and online personal rights (expression, privacy, etc.). From this idea we can start a discussion including positive that can go some other interests. good night Carlos Raul Gutierrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg On October 4, 2015, at 17:54, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre wrote: > La Sociedad Civil, esta compuesta por todos aquellos que no pertenecen > a la Academia, el Sector Tecnico, el business y los gobiernos. > Asimismo tambien integra la sociedad civil aquellos cuyos intereses > son diferentes a los intereses de estos ultimos sectores mencionados > en el parrafo anterior. > Mi humilde contribucion. > CDAADIAR > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.<div> > </div><div> > </div><div>-------- Original message > --------</div><div>From: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> > </div><div>Date: 04/10/2015 20:47 (GMT-03:00) </div><div>To: > 'Antonio Medina Gómez' <amedinagomez(a)gmail.com>, 'LACRALO Español' > <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: > [lac-discuss-es] Opinión sobre componentes de la Sociedad Civil > </div><div> > </div> > Estamos trabajando en esas precisiones Antonio. Aunque es saludable > escuchar primeras opiniones, sin que haya alguna orientación para > discutir. > > Espero mañana tenerlas las en la wiki. > > Saludos > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > De: Antonio Medina Gómez [mailto:amedinagomez@gmail.com] > Enviado el: domingo, 4 de octubre de 2015 7:57 p. m. > Para: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org>; LACRALO Español > <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Opinión sobre componentes de la Sociedad > Civil > > > > Alberto buenas tardes. > Este es un tema de especial interés en ACUI. > Podrías ser mas especifico en tu solicitud. > Cuales son los distintos grupos de trabajo que mencionas? > Que objetivos tienen en esos grupos de trabajo? > Hay enlaces para conocer con exactitud los objetivos de los debates y > aportes que se están realizando? > Esto para evitar la retórica... Ya que sobre la sociedad civil hay > muchas miradas. > Además hay que ser precisos, especialmente por la importancia de las > asociaciones de usuarios organizadas, que trabajan por los ciudadanos > en nuestros países en esta nueva sociedad digital. > Cordialmente > Antonio Medina > ACUI > > El 02/10/2015 19:39, "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org > <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > escribió: > > Estimados, en varios grupos de trabajo de distintos niveles, se está > discutiendo sobre quienes componen la Sociedad Civil. > > Me interesa la opinión de LACRALO, en particular comparando la actual > estructura del ecosistema de ICANN. > > Para ello sugiero que veamos dentro de ese ecosistema, o luego de la > transición IANA completada, donde quedarán nuestros representados, > los usuarios finales de Internet. > > Tengamos en cuenta que esto es la proposición de una modificación a > políticas existentes o a lanzar una nueva política. > > Tengo varias reuniones periódicamente, y no deseo dar mi opinión > personal sin consultarlos. > > Como Presidente de LACRALO, debería llevar la opinión de nuestra > Región. > > > > Saludos cordiales > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > _____ > > > <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico > en busca de virus. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > --- > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico > en busca de virus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7f9b69bf33.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ??? Q = iso-8859-1 F3n_sobre_componentes_de_la VIEW = = = iso-8859-1 _Sociedad_Civil q =?????
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com Oct. 5, 2015

Oct. 5, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:??? Q = iso-8859-1 F3n_sobre_componentes_de_la VIEW = = = iso-8859-1 _Sociedad_Civil q =????? From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com The civil society is composed of all those who do not belong to the Academy, the technical sector, business and governments. Likewise also it integrates civil society whose interests are different from the interests of the latter sectors mentioned in the previous paragraph. My humble contribution. CDAADIAR Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. <div> </div><div> </div><div> -------- -------- Original message </div><div> From: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org></div><div> Date: 04/10/2015 20:47 (GMT-03: 00) </div><div> To: 'Antonio Medina Gomez' <amedinagomez(a)gmail.com> 'LACRALO Spanish' <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org></div><div> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Comments about components of the Civil Society </div><div> </div> We are working on those details Antonio.Although healthy hear first opinions, without some guidance to discuss. I hope to have them the morning in the wiki. Cheers Alberto Soto From: Antonio Medina Gomez [mailto: amedinagomez(a)gmail.com] Posted on: Sunday, October 4, 2015 7:57 pm To: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> ; Spanish LACRALO <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Comments about components of the Civil Society Alberto good afternoon. This is an issue of particular interest in ACUI. You could be more specific in your request. What are the different working groups you mention? They have objectives in these working groups? There are links to know precisely the objectives of the discussions and contributions being made? This to avoid rhetoric ... Since on civil society there are many looks. We also have to be precise, especially the importance of organized users' associations, who work for the citizens of our countries in this new digital society. Cordially Antonio Medina ACUI The 02/10/2015 19:39, "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > He wrote: Dear, in several working groups of different levels, it is discussing who make up civil society. I am interested in the opinion of LACRALO, particularly comparing the current structure of ICANN ecosystem. For this I suggest you see within that ecosystem, or IANA after the transition is complete, which will we represent the end users. Consider that this is a proposed amendment to existing policies or launch a new policy. I have several meetings regularly, and do not want to give my personal opinion without consulting them. As President of LACRALO, you should take the views of our region. Best regards Alberto Soto _____ < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> Avast antivirus software scanned this email for viruses. www.avast.com < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/d03b1bccc7.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????? Q = utf-8 B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la_S VIEW = C3 = = = utf-8 ociedad_Civil q =?
by asoto＠ibero-americano.org Oct. 4, 2015

Oct. 4, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:????? Q = utf-8 B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la_S VIEW = C3 = = = utf-8 ociedad_Civil q =? From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org We are working on those details Antonio. Although healthy hear first opinions, without some guidance to discuss. I hope to have them the morning in the wiki. Cheers Alberto Soto From: Antonio Medina Gomez [mailto: amedinagomez(a)gmail.com] Posted on: Sunday, October 4, 2015 7:57 pm To: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> ; Spanish LACRALO <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Comments about components of the Civil Society Alberto good afternoon. This is an issue of particular interest in ACUI. You could be more specific in your request. What are the different working groups you mention? They have objectives in these working groups? There are links to know precisely the objectives of the discussions and contributions being made? This to avoid rhetoric ... Since on civil society there are many looks. We also have to be precise, especially the importance of organized users' associations, who work for the citizens of our countries in this new digital society. Cordially Antonio Medina ACUI The 02/10/2015 19:39, "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > He wrote: Dear, in several working groups of different levels, it is discussing who make up civil society. I am interested in the opinion of LACRALO, particularly comparing the current structure of ICANN ecosystem. For this I suggest you see within that ecosystem, or IANA after the transition is complete, which will we represent the end users. Consider that this is a proposed amendment to existing policies or launch a new policy. I have several meetings regularly, and do not want to give my personal opinion without consulting them. As President of LACRALO, you should take the views of our region. Best regards Alberto Soto _____ < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> Avast antivirus software scanned this email for viruses. www.avast.com < https://www.avast.com/antivirus> _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/84e12d8cd1.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????? Q = utf-8 B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la_S VIEW = C3 = = = utf-8 ociedad_Civil q =?
by amedinagomez＠gmail.com Oct. 4, 2015

Oct. 4, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:????? Q = utf-8 B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la_S VIEW = C3 = = = utf-8 ociedad_Civil q =? From: amedinagomez(a)gmail.com Alberto good afternoon. This is an issue of particular interest in ACUI. You could be more specific in your request. What are the different working groups you mention? They have objectives in these working groups? There are links to know precisely the objectives of the discussions and contributions being made? This to avoid rhetoric on ... Since there are many civil society glances. Furthermore it must be precise, especially the importance of user associations organized by citizens who work in our countries in this new digital society. Cordially Antonio Medina ACUI The 02/10/2015 19:39, "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> wrote: > Estimados, en varios grupos de trabajo de distintos niveles, se está > discutiendo sobre quienes componen la Sociedad Civil. > > Me interesa la opinión de LACRALO, en particular comparando la actual > estructura del ecosistema de ICANN. > > Para ello sugiero que veamos dentro de ese ecosistema, o luego de la > transición IANA completada, donde quedarán nuestros representados, los > usuarios finales de Internet. > > Tengamos en cuenta que esto es la proposición de una modificación a > políticas existentes o a lanzar una nueva política. > > Tengo varias reuniones periódicamente, y no deseo dar mi opinión personal > sin consultarlos. > > Como Presidente de LACRALO, debería llevar la opinión de nuestra Región. > > > > Saludos cordiales > > > > Alberto Soto > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en > busca de virus. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d27d4baef.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????? Q = utf-8 OPINION B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la __ = C3 = = = utf-8 Sociedad_Civil q =?
by cveraq＠gmail.com Oct. 3, 2015

Oct. 3, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:????? Q = utf-8 OPINION B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la __ = C3 = = = utf-8 Sociedad_Civil q =? From: cveraq(a)gmail.com Carlos Raul clear. The basic idea is to divide and fragment and have more votes or participation in spaces of civil society. The idea is: Governments and their agencies, representations, organizations etc. Companies and their organizations, representations, organizations etc. Civil society: users, citizens, its agencies, representations, organizations etc. Always taking care to have the same weight on the other 2. That is the substance of the idea. Of course we have had problems and we will. The question is who promotes these problems? Who benefits from fragmentation or segmentation of "civil society?" It is to be analyzed Cheers Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Follow mecveraq > El 3 oct 2015, a las 5:07 p.m., Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <crg(a)isoc-cr.org> escribió: > > Estimado Carlos > > mis comentarios a tu propuesta abajo > > >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hay que optar por la interpretación que mejor proteja el interés de los usuarios. >> >> Con una integración base fijada en: >> >> Gobiernos > Interes publico: de acuerdo > >> Empresas > actividad economica: de acuerdo > > >> Sociedad Civil ; > > no es tan fácil. Es más, no es nada fácil. > > >> Tenemos 1/3 de los votos y participación. Si divides sociedad civil en academia, usuarios, ONGs, sin fines de lucro, Ciudadanos, etc., se diluye ese voto o participación. >> >> Entonces para qué hacerlo? >> >> Sociedad Civil es todo aquello que no representa intereses de gobierno ni empresa. Así simple > No es TAN simple > > Ya hemos tenido problemas con esta definición tan amplia de sociedad civil, ya que no sabemos donde quedan la Cámaras que representan intereses económicos, pero como tales no tienen fines de lucro; con las cooperativas, que no tienen fines de lucro pero están activos económicamente; con las ONGs que reciben dinero de fuentes externas o que contratan para realizar “estudios”. Académicos que fungen como consultores para empresas del sector privado, etc. etc. etc. Recientemente el PIR ha logrado hacer diferencias entre los que pueden registrar el .org versus los que pueden registrar los nuevos .ong y .ngo. Tal vea debemos comenzar por allí. > > Yo solo puedo firmar USUARIOS sin tener duda alguna. Todo lo demás requiere un estándar explícito y no simplemente tu definición negativa de que no es Gobierno o Empresa. > > saludos > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > _____________________ > > email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org > Skype: carlos.raulg > +506 8837 7173 (cel) > +506 4000 2000 (home) > +506 2290 3678 (fax) > _____________________ > Apartado 1571-1000 > San Jose, COSTA RICA > > > > > > >> >> Carlos Vera Quintana >> 0988141143 >> Sígueme @cveraq >> >>> El 2 oct 2015, a las 7:39 p.m., Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> escribió: >>> >>> Estimados, en varios grupos de trabajo de distintos niveles, se está discutiendo sobre quienes componen la Sociedad Civil. >>> Me interesa la opinión de LACRALO, en particular comparando la actual estructura del ecosistema de ICANN. >>> Para ello sugiero que veamos dentro de ese ecosistema, o luego de la transición IANA completada, donde quedarán nuestros representados, los usuarios finales de Internet. >>> Tengamos en cuenta que esto es la proposición de una modificación a políticas existentes o a lanzar una nueva política. >>> Tengo varias reuniones periódicamente, y no deseo dar mi opinión personal sin consultarlos. >>> Como Presidente de LACRALO, debería llevar la opinión de nuestra Región. >>> >>> Saludos cordiales >>> >>> Alberto Soto >>> >>> >>> >>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lac-discuss-es mailing list >>> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>> >>> http://www.lacralo.org >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-es mailing list >> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> >> http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/88ec3df181.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????? Q = utf-8 OPINION B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la __ = C3 = = = utf-8 Sociedad_Civil q =?
by crg＠isoc-cr.org Oct. 3, 2015

Oct. 3, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:????? Q = utf-8 OPINION B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la __ = C3 = = = utf-8 Sociedad_Civil q =? From: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Dear Carlos my comments to your proposal down > On Oct 2, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hay que optar por la interpretación que mejor proteja el interés de los usuarios. > > Con una integración base fijada en: > > Gobiernos > Empresas > Sociedad Civil ; > Tenemos 1/3 de los votos y participación. Si divides sociedad civil en academia, usuarios, ONGs, sin fines de lucro, Ciudadanos, etc., se diluye ese voto o participación. > > Entonces para qué hacerlo? > > Sociedad Civil es todo aquello que no representa intereses de gobierno ni empresa. Así simple We've had problems with this broad definition of civil society, we do not know where the cameras are representing economic interests, but as such not-for-profit; with cooperatives, which have no profit but are economically active; with NGOs that receive money from outside sources or that contract for "studies". Scholars who serve as consultants for private companies, etc. etc. etc. Recently, the PIR has managed to differentiate between those who can register the .org versus those who can register new .ong and .NGO.Maybe we should start to see there. I can only sign users without any doubt. Everything else requires an explicit standard and not just your negative definition that is not government or company. Cheers Carlos Raul Gutierrez _____________________ email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Skype: carlos.raulg +506 8837 7173 (cell) +506 4000 2000 (home) +506 2290 3678 (fax) _____________________ Section 1571-1000 San Jose, COSTA RICA > > Carlos Vera Quintana > 0988141143 > Sígueme @cveraq > > El 2 oct 2015, a las 7:39 p.m., Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> escribió: > >> Estimados, en varios grupos de trabajo de distintos niveles, se está discutiendo sobre quienes componen la Sociedad Civil. >> Me interesa la opinión de LACRALO, en particular comparando la actual estructura del ecosistema de ICANN. >> Para ello sugiero que veamos dentro de ese ecosistema, o luego de la transición IANA completada, donde quedarán nuestros representados, los usuarios finales de Internet. >> Tengamos en cuenta que esto es la proposición de una modificación a políticas existentes o a lanzar una nueva política. >> Tengo varias reuniones periódicamente, y no deseo dar mi opinión personal sin consultarlos. >> Como Presidente de LACRALO, debería llevar la opinión de nuestra Región. >> >> Saludos cordiales >> >> Alberto Soto >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. >> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-es mailing list >> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> >> >> http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/>_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es> > > http://www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org/> [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3890ed9fcd.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ??? Q = iso-8859-1 F3n_sobre_componentes_de_la VIEW = = = iso-8859-1 Sociedad_Civil __ q =?????
by ron.baione＠yahoo.com Oct. 3, 2015

Oct. 3, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:??? Q = iso-8859-1 F3n_sobre_componentes_de_la VIEW = = = iso-8859-1 Sociedad_Civil __ q =????? From: ron.baione(a)yahoo.com Rather than try to list all "types of groups" in a company and then try to separate which of these types are part of civil society and which are not, I recommend going with my original definition of society civil, because otherwise you risk the definition of civil society groups which historically have acted "civilized", which is different from trying to define what constitutes a civil society. The natural laws of the dynamics of tested groups Milgram experiments, when combined with the constatacin that some chose not to participate at all in the assumed authority, better define the interactions of any group of individuals who act an in human nature to subconsciously assign roles within the group, creation of a civil society given. Ronaldo Baione-Doda NY [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/9910177e27.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????? Q = utf-8 OPINION B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la __ = C3 = = = utf-8 Sociedad_Civil q =?
by cveraq＠gmail.com Oct. 3, 2015

Oct. 3, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:????? Q = utf-8 OPINION B3n_sobre_componentes_de_la __ = C3 = = = utf-8 Sociedad_Civil q =? From: cveraq(a)gmail.com We must choose the interpretation that best protects the interest of users. Integration with a base fixed at: Governments Business Civil society We have 1/3 of the votes and participation. If you divide civil society in academia, users, NGOs, nonprofit, Citizens, etc., that vote or diluted share. So why do it? Civil society is anything that does not represent government or business interests. So Simple Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Follow mecveraq > El 2 oct 2015, a las 7:39 p.m., Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> escribió: > > Estimados, en varios grupos de trabajo de distintos niveles, se está discutiendo sobre quienes componen la Sociedad Civil. > Me interesa la opinión de LACRALO, en particular comparando la actual estructura del ecosistema de ICANN. > Para ello sugiero que veamos dentro de ese ecosistema, o luego de la transición IANA completada, donde quedarán nuestros representados, los usuarios finales de Internet. > Tengamos en cuenta que esto es la proposición de una modificación a políticas existentes o a lanzar una nueva política. > Tengo varias reuniones periódicamente, y no deseo dar mi opinión personal sin consultarlos. > Como Presidente de LACRALO, debería llevar la opinión de nuestra Región. > > Saludos cordiales > > Alberto Soto > > > > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. > www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/fb94bf289a.html --]]

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What is Civil Society? ICANN within the ecosystem?
by ron.baione＠yahoo.com Oct. 3, 2015

Oct. 3, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: What is Civil Society? ICANN within the ecosystem? From: ron.baione(a)yahoo.com A "civil society" is any set or subset of people within the limits of physicists assumed authority of the set or subset of people, where an unpredictable proportion of people in the group participate in any Eligia be tangibly affected by the assumed authority of the group or not tangible affected by the assumed authority of the group, and, given the law of Milgram, 65% of participants who chose to be tangibly affected by the authority assumed the authority assumed serobediente and 35% of people in the group eligiser tangibly affected by the assumed authority is not assumed to be obedient to authority.As said, there are those people in the group defined as any "civil society" which optpor not interact at all with the assumed authority of a group, but that still exist within the limits of the authority assumed, therefore they are part of the group that a "civil society", as defined. Within the ecosystem of ICANN, the authority assumed as I understand it, estbien distributed throughout the entire system, groups are rough consensus, podrn propose new rules and ideas, and the rules are applied based on the agreement General of the participants, and then the next level for Voting is trasladal. In a given measurement time, some members of the ICANN chose not to participate at all with the authority assumed the overall structure of ICANN, and for those who do not participate, 65% are obedient to the overall process in a given moment such measurement, and 35% ARE disagree with the overall process. Quhace ICANN works well as an organization, as I understand it, is the ability of all members to propose ideas and initiatives to comsideration definitions and the various checks and balances, such as the Ombudsman, proposed budgets and other internal and external regulatory protocols must make the overall process to be more efficient over time, provided that, in my opinion, the assumed authority of the system is shared in varying degrees around the ICANN system, and you never consolidated in the hands of a "oligarchy" I estinteresado definicinslo historically by the "continuation of their assumed authority" and not, traditionally, throughout the progress of the entire system to solve problems, therefore, no longer make a funcinpblica for civil society. Ronaldo Baione-Doda NY [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b1d1d80425.html --]]

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Introduction-Ronald Baione-Doda
by ron.baione＠yahoo.com Oct. 3, 2015

Oct. 3, 2015

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Introduction-Ronald Baione-Doda From: ron.baione(a)yahoo.com Who am I? I'm a Paralegal Certificate and Graduate Hofstra University with a BA in English. Since his graduation I-possessed and sold my own business, and work the humanitarian space. -Ronaldo NY-USA [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b2e8e6b080.html --]]

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