January 2024 - lac-discuss-en

Meeting invitaiton: At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call on Wednesday, 17 January 2024 at 14:00 UTC
by ICANN At-Large Staff Jan. 16, 2024

Jan. 16, 2024

*If you require a dial out or need to state an apology, please contact At-Large staff at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> with your preferred number*** Dear All, The next At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 17 January 2024 at 14:00 UTC for 90 mins, For other times: http://tinyurl.com/bdcm479f The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/gwBuEQ Zoom Room: https://icann.zoom.us/j/765717566?pwd=UTJCdWRSZVdJNEhOYW02OVBqQVQ1Zz09 / Passcode: #CPWG2345* Real time transcription (RTT) available at (subject to availability): https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN ADIGO Conference Bridge: EN, ES & FR: 3535 Toll-free access number (US and Canada): 800 550 6865 Other toll-free numbers: https://www.adigo.com/icann At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Wiki Space: https://community.icann.org/x/jYDpB If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. Kind Regards, At-Large Staff ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community Website: atlarge.icann.org<https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>

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[lac-discuss-es] RV: "Internet we want" <...> Invitation from Leadership Panel Chair - Contributions to the 'Internet We Want'
by apisan＠unam.mx Jan. 16, 2024

Jan. 16, 2024

[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] ________________________________ <..> Colegas, les retransmito una importante invitación del Panel de Liderazgo (Leadership Panel> del IGF (Foro sobre Gobernanza de Internet). Está realizando una consulta global para construir la visión de la "Internet que Queremos", "Internet we want". En los documentos anexos y en el URL contenido en este mensaje pueden ver más información. Esta consulta y el IGF Leadership Panel son pilares de la pervivencia del IGF bajo principios multisectoriales o "multistakeholder" descrito en parte en el artículo del Prof. Wolfgang Kleinwaechter que distribuí hace unas horas y ya fue comentado por nuestro siempre diligente consocio Alberto Soto. En la medida de lo posible, todas las organizaciones activas en este espacio harían bien en realizar una consulta con sus miembros e invitar a participar a organizaciones afines y, con o sin ellas, participar en la construcción de esta visión colectiva. También podría ser un tema de interés para una discusión colectiva, quizás en la reunión mensual correspondiente a febrero, para explorar los consenso y disensos en nuestra propia comunidad. Es posible que los documentos anexos ("cover letter and invitation" y "process and timeline") no pasen por los filtros del correo a la lista. Los mantendré disponibles a solicitud y solicito a nuestro liderazgo hacer lo propio para consolidar la institucionalidad del proceso. Saludos Alejandro Pisanty Saludos, Alejandro Pisanty Dear Colleagues, Please find attached a letter from Vint Cerf, Chair of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) Leadership Panel, inviting you to participate in the Panel’s ‘Internet We Want’ (IWW) consultation<https://www.intgovforum.org/en/content/the-internet-we-want> by 1 March 2024. In annex, you will find details on the ‘Internet Want’ vision, its process details and timeline. Should you have any questions on the attached, or on the consultation in general, please do not hesitate to let us know. On behalf of the Leadership Panel, we look forward to your contribution. Best regards, IGF Secretariat --

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REMINDER / Meeting invitaiton: At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call on Wednesday, 17 January 2024 at 14:00 UTC
by ICANN At-Large Staff Jan. 16, 2024

Jan. 16, 2024

*If you require a dial out or need to state an apology, please contact At-Large staff at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> with your preferred number*** Dear All, The next At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 17 January 2024 at 14:00 UTC for 90 mins, For other times: http://tinyurl.com/bdcm479f The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/gwBuEQ Zoom Room: https://icann.zoom.us/j/765717566?pwd=UTJCdWRSZVdJNEhOYW02OVBqQVQ1Zz09 / Passcode: #CPWG2345* Real time transcription (RTT) available at (subject to availability): https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN ADIGO Conference Bridge: EN, ES & FR: 3535 Toll-free access number (US and Canada): 800 550 6865 Other toll-free numbers: https://www.adigo.com/icann At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Wiki Space: https://community.icann.org/x/jYDpB If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. Kind Regards, At-Large Staff ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community Website: atlarge.icann.org<https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> [signature_1343033826]

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] RV: Google Alert - working group internet governance
by apisan＠unam.mx Jan. 16, 2024

Jan. 16, 2024

[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] Albert, Your comparison between attendance at the GAC and other mechanisms, organizations and events is very important. It touches on one of the historical roots that we could observe in the early days of the Internet and later in those of ICANN. Focusing on ICANN, since that gives us a cross-section of the state of things around the year 2000, representatives to the GAC from countries with less Internet development frequently came from ministries, councils and other organizations promoting science and technology. technology, since the Internet was just beginning to be installed and expand; those with a slightly more advanced development, through the ministries of communications or the then incipient telecommunications regulators; next step, from abroad, since they saw the matter as a "foreign" issue; and the advanced ones, through their ministerial-level bodies for economic development, such as the United States Department of Commerce, the United Kingdom development entity, etc. In the countries with the greatest Internet development, a clear differentiation was also established between government, business, and civic participants, with a strong technical community. In those with less development, a true mix was presented, sometimes at the level of concupiscence, between the different interests, with the same person participating in two or more sectors, without a solution of continuity and without clarity in declaring the interests represented. The GAC today is much clearer and more competent, although the aforementioned segmentation continues to be observed in the order of development and the attention that countries pay to Internet governance. Hence also the attractiveness that organizations such as the ITU and its regional organizations (in our case two, CITEL and the CTU) propose as a "one-stop shop" or "one-stop shop", which in reality is illusory and lends itself to deepening confusion, for governments that decide to dedicate few resources to these issues. And then the multiplication of forums that, following Kleinwaechter, you correctly point out, in which geopolitical games, the interests of large companies, and other forces are deployed without our organizations always being able to connect with them. For all this, it is important that organizations legitimately represented and active in LACRALO as representatives of end users or with proven expertise are in contact, monitoring and interaction with government bodies, since in each vote, each participation of these in the events, mechanisms, processes and organizations are playing out the disjunction between the multisectoral and intergovernmental models that Prof. Kleinwaechter acutely points out. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: alberto(a)soto.net.ar <alberto(a)soto.net.ar> Enviado: lunes, 15 de enero de 2024 03:36 p. m. Para: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; 'LACRALO' Asunto: RE: [lac-discuss-es] RV: Google Alert - working group internet governance Muchas gracias Alejandro por tan intenso e interesante artículo. De mi rápida lectura me surge la primera pregunta: Habrá victorias pírricas? Creo que puede haber varias… Nadie se pone de acuerdo con la reglamentación o no de la Inteligencia Artificial. Este artículo cita que Europa está redactando su legislación al respecto. La legislación ya se promulgó. Hay varios países que lo hicieron y otros en camino. Ni siquiera la OMC se puedo de acuerdo desde el 2017 hasta el 2020, y como se cita, la pandemia paralizó este tema. Otros, como la ciberguerra, está en plena ejecución. Y cuando dos países entran en guerra, qué reglas respetarán? Y sería interminable citar temas por temas, reuniones por reuniones. Las ya realizadas y las que están previstas, por ejemplo, para este ño. Copio este párrafo que informa sobre las próximas reuniones: “La cumbre del G20 se reunirá el 1 de diciembre de 2024 en Río de Janeiro (Brasil). La cumbre del G7 está prevista del 13 al 15 de junio de 2024 en Apulia, Italia. En octubre de 2024, Rusia acogerá la cumbre de los BRICS en Kasan. Kazajistán preside la Organización de Cooperación de Shanghái (OCS) y organizará la Cumbre de la OCS de 2024 en Astaná. Y hay otras reuniones de alto nivel de la ASEAN, APEC, OSZE, OEA y otras organizaciones, que tienen en su agenda la ciberseguridad, la cooperación digital y la gobernanza de Internet. El G20 cuenta con un "Grupo de Trabajo de Economía Digital". Está previsto celebrar cuatro reuniones, incluida una reunión ministerial. El G7 celebra una reunión anual de ministros digitales. Se reunirán el 15 de marzo de 2024 en Verona. Rusia ha anunciado que dará una alta prioridad a la ciberseguridad y a la cooperación digital de cara a la cumbre de los BRICS en Kasan. Los BRICS tienen ahora, además de los cinco miembros originales (Brasil, Rusia, India, China y Sudáfrica), cinco nuevos miembros: Emiratos Árabes Unidos, Arabia Saudita, Egipto, Etiopía e Irán. Y hay una cadena interminable de otras reuniones de expertos de alto nivel, como NetMundial, CyFy, CyCom, Rights Con, Lisbon WebSummit, reuniones de ICANN e IETF, y el IGF en Ryad en diciembre de 2023. ¿Contribuirá este "Circo Volador de la Gobernanza de Internet" a encontrar soluciones comunes para los problemas globales?” Siempre me pregunté lo siguiente. En muchas oportunidades los miembros del GAC superaban en número a los representantes gubernamentales en la ONU. MI siguiente pregunta. Los representantes del GAC difieren tanto de sus connacionales representantes en la ONU? El autor defiende el lema de ICANN, pero la fragmentación y le geopolítica no van por ese lado. Saludos cordiales Alberto De: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> En nombre de Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Enviado el: lunes, 15 de enero de 2024 17:44 Para: LACRALO <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] RV: Google Alert - working group internet governance Colegas, sugiero enfáticamente la lectura del artículo del Profesor Wolfgang Kleinwaechter al que se liga en el correo contenido en el presente mensaje, con el objetivo de reconocer las importantes y cambiantes variables del entorno en el que se desarrollan nuestras actividades y más ampliamente, ICANN. Arroja luces sobre muchas influencias externas que no siempre son manifiestas y que pueden distorsionar definitivamente las variables sobre las que se sustenta el diseño y la operación del sistema de gobernanza que estamos obligados a defender e impulsar, e impone obligaciones de transparencia a algunos participantes, en particular a quienes recurrentemente nos han expuesto que, por lo reducido de la disponibildad de expertos en sus comunidades, no pueden separar sus roles asociados a su participación en entidades cívicas, técnicas, empresariales, y gubernamentales. Una puesta al día constante está disponible en las publicaciones de la sección de ICANN dedicada a la relación con entidades gubernamentales y multilaterales, pero antes de preguntar allí por actualizaciones y precisiones la lectura del artículo del Prof. Kleinwaechter ubicará las principales coordenadas actualmente en juego y su posible influencia. Un análisis juicioso, a su vez y en consecuencia, puede conducir a ponderar los esfuerzos que ameriten cada una de nuestras actividades actuales y propuestas. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: Google Alerts <googlealerts-noreply(a)google.com<mailto:googlealerts-noreply@google.com>> Enviado: lunes, 15 de enero de 2024 10:43 a. m. Para: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Asunto: Google Alert - working group internet governance [Google]<https://www.google.com/alerts?source=alertsmail&hl=en&gl=US&msgid=MjEyODczM…> working group internet governance As-it-happens update ⋅ January 15, 2024 NEWS Internet Governance Outlook 2024: “Win-Win-Cooperation” vs. “Zero Sum Games”? <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://circleid.com/posts/202401…> CircleID Cybersecurity and Cybercrime. In 2024, cybersecurity discussions will continue in the Open Ended Working Group (OEWG) under their 1st UNGA Committee ... 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Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] RV: Google Alert - working group internet governance
by alberto＠soto.net.ar Jan. 15, 2024

Jan. 15, 2024

[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] Thank you very much Alejandro for such an intense and interesting article. From my quick reading, the first question arises: Will there be pyrrhic victories? I think there may be several... Nobody agrees on whether or not to regulate Artificial Intelligence. This article cites that Europe is drafting its legislation on the matter. The legislation has already been enacted. There are several countries that have done it and others are on the way. Not even the WTO could agree from 2017 to 2020, and as mentioned, the pandemic paralyzed this issue. Others, like cyberwar, are in full swing. And when two countries go to war, what rules will they respect? And it would be endless to mention topics by topics, meetings by meetings. Those already carried out and those that are planned, for example, for this year. I copy this paragraph that informs about the upcoming meetings: “The G20 summit will meet on December 1, 2024 in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil). The G7 summit is scheduled for June 13-15, 2024 in Apulia, Italy. In October 2024, Russia will host the BRICS summit in Kasan. Kazakhstan chairs the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and will host the 2024 SCO Summit in Astana. And there are other high-level meetings of ASEAN, APEC, OSZE, OAS and other organizations, which have cybersecurity, digital cooperation and Internet governance on their agenda. The G20 has a "Digital Economy Working Group". Four meetings are planned, including a ministerial meeting. The G7 holds an annual meeting of digital ministers. They will meet on March 15, 2024 in Verona. Russia has announced that it will give a high priority to cybersecurity and digital cooperation ahead of the BRICS summit in Kasan. The BRICS now have, in addition to the five original members (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa), five new members: United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Ethiopia and Iran. And there is an endless chain of other high-level expert meetings, such as NetMundial, CyFy, CyCom, Rights Con, Lisbon WebSummit, ICANN and IETF meetings, and the IGF in Ryad in December 2023. Will this "Flying Circus of "Internet Governance" to find common solutions to global problems? I always asked myself the following. On many occasions GAC members outnumbered government representatives at the UN. MY next question. Do GAC representatives differ so much from their fellow UN representatives? The author defends the motto of ICANN, but fragmentation and geopolitics do not go that way. Kind regards Albert From: lac-discuss-es<lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> In the name of Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Sent on: Monday, January 15, 2024 17:44 To: LACRALO<lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [lac-discuss-es] RV: Google Alert - working group internet governance Colleagues, I strongly suggest reading the article by Professor Wolfgang Kleinwaechter to which is linked in the email contained in this message, with the aim of recognizing the important and changing variables of the environment in which our activities and, more broadly, ICANN, are carried out. It sheds light on many external influences that are not always manifest and that can definitively distort the variables on which the design and operation of the governance system that we are obliged to defend and promote is based, and imposes transparency obligations on some participants, in particular. Particularly those who have repeatedly told us that, due to the limited availability of experts in their communities, they cannot separate their roles associated with their participation in civic, technical, business, and government entities. A constant update is available in the publications of the ICANN section dedicated to the relationship with governmental and multilateral entities, but before asking there for updates and clarifications, reading Prof. Kleinwaechter's article will locate the main coordinates currently at play and its possible influence. A judicious analysis, in turn and consequently, can lead to weighing the efforts that each of our current and proposed activities merit. Alejandro Pisanty _____ From: Google Alerts <googlealerts-noreply(a)google.com <mailto:googlealerts-noreply@google.com>> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2024 10:43 am To: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Subject: Google Alert - working group internet governance <https://www.google.com/alerts?source=alertsmail&hl=en&gl=US&msgid=MjEyODczM…> working group internet governance As-it-happens update ⋅ January 15, 2024 NEWS <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://circleid.com/posts/202401…> Internet Governance Outlook 2024: “Win-Win-Cooperation” vs. “Zero Sum Games”? CircleID Cybersecurity and Cybercrime. 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[lac-discuss-es] RV: Google Alert - working group internet governance
by apisan＠unam.mx Jan. 15, 2024

Jan. 15, 2024

[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] Colleagues, I strongly suggest reading the article by Professor Wolfgang Kleinwaechter to which is linked in the email contained in this message, with the aim of recognizing the important and changing variables of the environment in which our activities and, more broadly, ICANN, are carried out. It sheds light on many external influences that are not always manifest and that can definitively distort the variables on which the design and operation of the governance system that we are obliged to defend and promote is based, and imposes transparency obligations on some participants, in particular. Particularly those who have repeatedly told us that, due to the limited availability of experts in their communities, they cannot separate their roles associated with their participation in civic, technical, business, and government entities. A constant update is available in the publications of the ICANN section dedicated to the relationship with governmental and multilateral entities, but before asking there for updates and clarifications, reading Prof. Kleinwaechter's article will locate the main coordinates currently at play and its possible influence. A judicious analysis, in turn and consequently, can lead to weighing the efforts that each of our current and proposed activities merit. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: Google Alerts <googlealerts-noreply(a)google.com> Enviado: lunes, 15 de enero de 2024 10:43 a. m. Para: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Asunto: Google Alert - working group internet governance [Google] <https://www.google.com/alerts?source=alertsmail&hl=en&gl=US&msgid=MjEyODczM…> working group internet governance As-it-happens update ⋅ January 15, 2024 NEWS Internet Governance Outlook 2024: “Win-Win-Cooperation” vs. “Zero Sum Games”? <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://circleid.com/posts/202401…> CircleID Cybersecurity and Cybercrime. In 2024, cybersecurity discussions will continue in the Open Ended Working Group (OEWG) under their 1st UNGA Committee ... [Facebook]<https://www.google.com/alerts/share?hl=en&gl=US&ru=https://circleid.com/pos…> [Twitter] <https://www.google.com/alerts/share?hl=en&gl=US&ru=https://circleid.com/pos…> Flag as irrelevant <https://www.google.com/alerts/feedback?ffu=https://circleid.com/posts/20240…> See more results <https://www.google.com/alerts?s=AB2Xq4i25xWdLQ6xOcmraCLjA7lq68gcCKXkBh4&sta…> | Edit this alert<https://www.google.com/alerts/edit?source=alertsmail&hl=en&gl=US&msgid=MjEy…> You have received this email because you have subscribed to Google Alerts. Unsubscribe<https://www.google.com/alerts/remove?source=alertsmail&hl=en&gl=US&msgid=Mj…> | View all your alerts <https://www.google.com/alerts?source=alertsmail&hl=en&gl=US&msgid=MjEyODczM…> [RSS] Receive this alert as RSS feed <https://www.google.com/alerts/feeds/10876067850128662208/138698472681256761…> <https://www.google.com/alerts?source=alertsmail&hl=en&gl=US&msgid=MjEyODczM…> Send Feedback

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Invitation for LAC CSOs preparatory meeting for EU-LAC Digital Alliance policy dialogue on cybersecurity
by Lance Hinds Jan. 15, 2024

Jan. 15, 2024

From: Yacine Khelladi External advisor to the Latin American and Caribbean Regional Operations Unit (B2) of the General Directorate of International Partnerships (DG INTPA) of the European Commission - Latin America and Caribbean Digital Advisory Services (D-LACAD) Dear Colleagues On behalf of the Latin America and the Caribbean Regional Operations Unit (B2) of the Directorate General for International Partnerships (DG INTPA) of the European Commission, *we invite you to participate in a _virtual meeting for the LAC civil society organizations (CSOs)_*in preparation for the upcoming *EU-LAC Digital Alliance* < https://international-partnerships.ec.europa.eu/policies/global-gateway/eu-…>*high-level policy dialogu*e *_on cybersecurity_* . That policy dialogue will take place in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic in mid-February 2024 with the objective of agreeing on a specific two-year action plan to achieve the cybersecurity objectives agreed last November in the dialogue Cartagena < https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/d4dhub.eu/news/eu-lac-digital-alliance-p…>(in which some 15 LAC CSOs participated in person) (See attached an operational summary of the conclusions of said event). The active participation of the*Civil Society **Organizations o*f Latin America and the Caribbean in this process is key and that is why we organize*two virtual preparatory meetings* to present the process and learn about your*perspectives, priorities, concerns and proposals *on this topic, before the in-person event of February. * one in *_English on Tuesday the 23rd_*_from January 2024_ at 16:00 UTC (5 pm in Brussels, 1pm in AR, BR and CL, 12pm in DR, 11 am COL, 10 AM in CR and MX) * one in *_Spanish on Monday the 22nd_*_from January 2024_ at 16:00 UTC (5 pm in Brussels, 1pm in AR, BR and CL, 12pm in DR, 11 am COL, 10 AM in CR and MX) Pleaseregister here for one of these. < https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/forms.gle/9Nk4oCLUSdRydBP66__;!!DOxrgLBm…>And feel free to share this invite to relevant Caribbean CSOs TheEU-LAC Digital Alliance < https://international-partnerships.ec.europa.eu/policies/global-gateway/eu-…>__seeks to increase collaboration between LAC and EU countries, the harmonization of policies and regulations to accelerate a sustainable and inclusive digital transformation process and build a strong, comprehensive and mutually beneficial alliance. < https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/d4dhub.eu/es/news/eu-and-lac-leaders-end…>It also aims to establish or improve bi-regional mechanisms of*coordination and governance for digitalization,* based on *common values and interests *asagreed by the heads of state in July 2023 < https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_23_3892> I remain attentive to any questions or concerns about this process, and I hope that LAC CSOs take advantage of this opportunity to influence digital policies in the region. Yacine Khelladi -- For your information and guidance Lance Hinds Vice Chair LACRALO This message contains information that may be privileged and/or confidential and is the property of BrainStreet Technologies or BrainStreet Learning. The information contained herein is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it . If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or take any action in reliance to the contents of this information or any part thereof and it may be unlawful to do so. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message from your system. BrainStreet Technologies or BrainStreet Learning are neither liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor any delay in its receipt.

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] UNESCO - Iniciativas digitales para lenguas indígenas
by apisanty＠gmail.com Jan. 15, 2024

Jan. 15, 2024

[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] Dear Delma, In turn, I thank you for this message, which I hope will be well received by the entire community. community. I wish you could share the content of the article that you mention, even before it is published, although clearly they could some restrictions may apply to its dissemination outside the closed scope of LACRALO. Reading your message entails for me the reflection that the initiatives related to the conservation of cultural heritage in the digital realm may or may not include IDNS and other TLDs that can be viewed blocked in the absence of Universal Acceptance. What is very important is the long-term sustainability of these initiatives. Following that line of reasoning, it would be useful to know how many and which of The organizations participating in LACRALO address these issues, as well as main focus, either as part of your project portfolio, or as laterally or in connection with other organizations in your country, region, or culture. I certainly have in mind our colleague Rubén Hilari, renowned writer in the Aymara language and a great language activist indigenous people of the Andean region, and it escapes my memory but there is some another member whose main focus is on native cultures. As I mentioned before, also, they are more visible in the space of the Latin American countries than in the anglophones of the region. The census implicit in the previous paragraph, which would be a valuable auxiliary for the tasks that Sylvia Herlein-Leite tirelessly spearheads and to which added Lillian, I should make this distinction because the areas of action They will be different and at the same time they will be able to complement and add to each other. If, on the other hand, the census showed that the initiatives were very few, or they have no roots, or, as I have commented on other occasions, They are dealing with more basic aspects such as simply preserving languages and traditions but far from complex tasks such as encoding in UNICODE and the use of domain names with non-characters contained in ASCII, the weighting of the efforts to be made would be only in a part of our community and decisions would need to be made for the emerging leadership to support it or to make it clear that we are just a subgroup that does not have that which would be important participation and is would have turned, instead, into an abdication of responsibilities. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 1:20 PM<anillacultural.uruguay(a)gmail.com> wrote: > [[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] > > Estimado Alejandro y tod@s en la comunidad ICANN, > Muchas gracias Alejandro por tu servicio infatigable. Al respecto de ti > mensaje, quisiera compartir la siguiente información que puede servir en > la > pertinencia de discutir estos temas y otros que compiten al patrimonio > digital mundial, regional y local. Entre Enero-Febrero 2024 saldrá editado > un artículo titulado *"Pensamiento crítico sobre la cultura digital del > mundo > Herencia. Renovar la conceptualización para planificar lo global y lo > local > Políticas públicas que apuestan por una e-cultura de calidad para > **Todos"*, en el > AMPS-Research Journal (Arquitectura, Medios, Política y Sociedad) > publicado > por UCL Press a través de la ScienceOpen Plataform. > Allí se plantea la ralentización de la UNESCO en diversos temas acerca del > patrimonio digital y se brinda una serie de estrategias a desarrollar > donde > se menciona la relevancia de integrar a las comunidades de gobernanza de > internet para fomentar y enriquecer el debate y la solución de problemas > desde > Hace años en pausa o ni siquiera abordados. > En definitiva sobre el planteo de Alejandro, este artículo puede servir no > solamente por el tema de los DNS, etc, sino para una amplia gama de otros > temas pendientes, donde estas comunidades deberían tener un papel > protagónico. > Cordialmente, > delma > > > El viernes 12 de enero de 2024 a las 21:50,<apisanty(a)gmail.com> > escribió: > > > [[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] > > > > Harold, > > > > thanks for your answer. Let's see if: > > > > 1. A careful study reveals that proposal "b." have viability; > > 2. There are enough LACRALO members willing to contribute to the effort > > with the energy and resilience it will require; > > 3. The new leadership is fully committed, as it will be a project of > > long breath > > > > Greetings, and thank you also for the timely notice regarding the change > > of > > meeting dates. > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 1:15 PM Harold Arcos<harold.arcos(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Guao Alejandro, tremendo dato y actualización de este tema,, gracias. > > > > > > Estoy seguro que podremos abordar este escenario que planteas en > nuestra > > > próxima reunión del grupo de trabajo de lacralo sobre > Idn_multilinguismo > > y > > > UA,, > > > > > > Ah! y de antemano me inclino hacia tu segundo planteamiento de acción,, > > > > > > gracias > > > > > > Sent through my H device. > > > Sorry for the typos and brevity > > > > > > El mar., 9 ene. 2024 00:17, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> > > > escribió: > > > > > >> Colegas y participantes, > > >> > > >> en https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000388256 podrán Uds. > > >> encontrar un extenso texto producido por la UNESCO bajo el título > > >> "Iniciativas digitales para lenguas indígenas", de enorme interés para > > las > > >> personas que trabajan en ese campo o que tienen que atenderlo como > > parte de > > >> otras iniciativas de acceso a la infraestructura, promoción de la > > cultura, > > >> la educación, el comercio, el gobierno, y muchos otros ámbitos. > > >> > > >> Es muy notable que el documento no cita NUNCA los nombres de dominio > del > > >> DNS, ni mucho menos los internacionalizados o IDNs. > > >> > > >> Las alternativas que surgen para nuestra comunidad a partir de este > > >> estudio son básicamente dos mutuamente excluyentes, y combinaciones de > > >> grano fino cronológico, espacial o institucional entre ambas: > > >> > > >> a. aceptar que la importancia de los nombres de dominio para el > > >> desarrollo digital de las lenguas indígenas es marginal y dedicar > > energías > > >> a otros proyectos más urgentes y capaces de producir cambios > > >> significativos; > > >> > > >> b. rechazar esa conclusión e iniciar un proyecto que demuestre a la > > >> UNESCO la magnitud de su error y conlleve una rectificación, sea > > mediante > > >> un addendum, sea mediante una nueva edición, y además conlleve la > > >> aplicación de los recursos de la UNESCO para la promoción de los IDNs > > en el > > >> ámbito de las iniciativas digitales para las lenguas indígenas. > > >> > > >> Hasta ahora en LACRALO quienes nos hemos ocupado de este tema somos > > >> habitantes de países y culturas en los que la lengua nacional es el > > español > > >> o el portugués, con lenguas indígenas reconocidas como lenguas > > nacionales > > >> en pie de igualdad como Paraguay, Bolivia y México. ¿Existe interés de > > los > > >> anglófonos y hablantes de francés, holandés/flamenco y los créoles y > > >> pidgins de la región? > > >> > > >> Las respuestas estructuradas a estas preguntas y planteamientos > deberán > > >> ponderarse en la planeación y trazado de estrategias de la agrupación. > > >> > > >> Saludos atentísimos de su atto. y afmo. servidor, > > >> > > >> Alejandro Pisanty > > >> > > >> -- > > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > >> Facultad de Química UNAM > > >> Av. 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Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] UNESCO - Iniciativas digitales para lenguas indígenas
by apisanty＠gmail.com Jan. 13, 2024

Jan. 13, 2024

[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] Harold, thanks for your answer. Let's see if: 1. A careful study reveals that proposal "b." have viability; 2. There are enough LACRALO members willing to contribute to the effort with the energy and resilience it will require; 3. The new leadership is fully committed, as it will be a project of long breath Greetings, and thank you also for the timely notice regarding the change of meeting dates. Alejandro Pisanty On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 1:15 PM Harold Arcos<harold.arcos(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Guao Alejandro, tremendo dato y actualización de este tema,, gracias. > > Estoy seguro que podremos abordar este escenario que planteas en nuestra > próxima reunión del grupo de trabajo de lacralo sobre Idn_multilinguismo y > UA,, > > Ah! y de antemano me inclino hacia tu segundo planteamiento de acción,, > > gracias > > Sent through my H device. > Sorry for the typos and brevity > > El mar., 9 ene. 2024 00:17, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com> > escribió: > >> Colegas y participantes, >> >> en https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000388256 podrán Uds. >> encontrar un extenso texto producido por la UNESCO bajo el título >> "Iniciativas digitales para lenguas indígenas", de enorme interés para las >> personas que trabajan en ese campo o que tienen que atenderlo como parte de >> otras iniciativas de acceso a la infraestructura, promoción de la cultura, >> la educación, el comercio, el gobierno, y muchos otros ámbitos. >> >> Es muy notable que el documento no cita NUNCA los nombres de dominio del >> DNS, ni mucho menos los internacionalizados o IDNs. >> >> Las alternativas que surgen para nuestra comunidad a partir de este >> estudio son básicamente dos mutuamente excluyentes, y combinaciones de >> grano fino cronológico, espacial o institucional entre ambas: >> >> a. aceptar que la importancia de los nombres de dominio para el >> desarrollo digital de las lenguas indígenas es marginal y dedicar energías >> a otros proyectos más urgentes y capaces de producir cambios >> significativos; >> >> b. rechazar esa conclusión e iniciar un proyecto que demuestre a la >> UNESCO la magnitud de su error y conlleve una rectificación, sea mediante >> un addendum, sea mediante una nueva edición, y además conlleve la >> aplicación de los recursos de la UNESCO para la promoción de los IDNs en el >> ámbito de las iniciativas digitales para las lenguas indígenas. >> >> Hasta ahora en LACRALO quienes nos hemos ocupado de este tema somos >> habitantes de países y culturas en los que la lengua nacional es el español >> o el portugués, con lenguas indígenas reconocidas como lenguas nacionales >> en pie de igualdad como Paraguay, Bolivia y México. ¿Existe interés de los >> anglófonos y hablantes de francés, holandés/flamenco y los créoles y >> pidgins de la región? >> >> Las respuestas estructuradas a estas preguntas y planteamientos deberán >> ponderarse en la planeación y trazado de estrategias de la agrupación. >> >> Saludos atentísimos de su atto. y afmo. servidor, >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> -- >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> Facultad de Química UNAM >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> +525541444475 >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-es mailing list >> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> >> http://www.lacralo.org >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You >> can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico City Mexico +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] UNESCO - Iniciativas digitales para lenguas indígenas
by harold.arcos＠gmail.com Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] Wow Alejandro, tremendous information and update on this topic, thank you. I am sure that we will be able to address this scenario that you propose in our next meeting of the lacralo working group on Idn_multilingualism and AU,, Ah! and in advance I lean towards your second approach to action,, thank you Sent through my H device. Sorry for the typos and brevity Tue, Jan 9 2024 00:17, Alejandro Pisanty<apisanty(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Colegas y participantes, > > en https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000388256 podrán Uds. > encontrar un extenso texto producido por la UNESCO bajo el título > "Iniciativas digitales para lenguas indígenas", de enorme interés para las > personas que trabajan en ese campo o que tienen que atenderlo como parte de > otras iniciativas de acceso a la infraestructura, promoción de la cultura, > la educación, el comercio, el gobierno, y muchos otros ámbitos. > > Es muy notable que el documento no cita NUNCA los nombres de dominio del > DNS, ni mucho menos los internacionalizados o IDNs. > > Las alternativas que surgen para nuestra comunidad a partir de este > estudio son básicamente dos mutuamente excluyentes, y combinaciones de > grano fino cronológico, espacial o institucional entre ambas: > > a. aceptar que la importancia de los nombres de dominio para el desarrollo > digital de las lenguas indígenas es marginal y dedicar energías a otros > proyectos más urgentes y capaces de producir cambios significativos; > > b. rechazar esa conclusión e iniciar un proyecto que demuestre a la UNESCO > la magnitud de su error y conlleve una rectificación, sea mediante un > addendum, sea mediante una nueva edición, y además conlleve la aplicación > de los recursos de la UNESCO para la promoción de los IDNs en el ámbito de > las iniciativas digitales para las lenguas indígenas. > > Hasta ahora en LACRALO quienes nos hemos ocupado de este tema somos > habitantes de países y culturas en los que la lengua nacional es el español > o el portugués, con lenguas indígenas reconocidas como lenguas nacionales > en pie de igualdad como Paraguay, Bolivia y México. ¿Existe interés de los > anglófonos y hablantes de francés, holandés/flamenco y los créoles y > pidgins de la región? > > Las respuestas estructuradas a estas preguntas y planteamientos deberán > ponderarse en la planeación y trazado de estrategias de la agrupación. > > Saludos atentísimos de su atto. y afmo. servidor, > > Alejandro Pisanty > > -- > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de Química UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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