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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Vote for EURALO board size
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 18, 2007

May 18, 2007

It is an interesting approach, however, I would suggest that changing the way that votes are to be counted in the middle of the vote - as a procedure - would be at best very highly irregular. Since a number of votes have already been cast, on the natural and published assumption that the votes would be counted in the normal way, I would have to say that insisting on counting in a different way such as has been proposed would invalidate the current votes, and require a re-vote. I hope very much to be frank that we can avoid doing that - and reiterate my previous suggestion that the EURALO needs urgently to turn to discussing and agreeing Rules of Procedure for its work so that the way in which decisions are made can be less contentious, and not inadvertently contain procedural innovations which I think any outside party who has worked in international relations would see as, at best, very questionable. On 18/05/07, Roberto Gaetano <roberto(a)icann.org> wrote: > > > Interesting approach. I personally like it (but I am not a voting member). > > I assume that we are all aware of the fact that in this case the option that > has the relative majority might not be the winner. > For instance, having 17 votes, we might have: > > 5 - 3 votes > 7 - 3 votes > 9 - 3 votes > all - 8 votes > > and the winner will be 9 (not all). > Similarly, if we have: > > > 5 - 8 votes > 7 - 3 votes > 9 - 3 votes > all - 3 votes > > the winner will be 7 (not 5). > This has the advantage of favouring the central area of the spectrum, > minimizing the global unhappiness instead of maximizing the local happiness. > > It is worthed noting that if you start from the other end, i.e. from 5, and > go up, stopping when you have the majority of the valid votes, you will end > at the same point (if my maths are correct). > > Cheers, > Roberto > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On > Behalf Of Dr. Christoph Bruch > Sent: 18 May 2007 21:00 > To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' > Subject: [EURO-Discuss] Vote for EURALO board size > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > I was asked by several people how we would count the votes for the size of > the EURALO board. > > > > According to my understanding we start with the "include all" option. > > If this option does not reach the majority, these votes will be added to the > "membership of 9" votes. > > If this option does not reach the majority, these votes will be added to the > "membership of 7" votes. ... > > > > Christoph > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Voting procedure for ALAC seats
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 18, 2007

May 18, 2007

Christophe: Whilst I appreciate the spirit of compromise behind this proposal, may I remind everyone that this would be changing the decision reached in Lisbon on how to proceed - and at the last minute before the vote called for as agreed at that meeting. Again, this proposal would be a reconsideration of the decision of Lisbon. I would suggest, like on another proposal earlier to reconsider Lisbon outcomes, that the community should only entertain reconsidering something if there is the obvious support for doing so. That would, if we use the international standard for reconsideration of decisions, mean that two-thirds of the ALSes would have to agree to reconsider. If we continue down the path we are on, may I stress that you are simply deferring any discussion on real policy far into the future, you are endangering the ability of the ALAC members you (eventually) choose being able to attend and represent you in Lisbon, etc. I cannot imagine that any of you really wish to spend months more discussing procedure, having just spent years doing so? May I also further point out that holding a vote on the candidates is clearly the most democratically-recognised method of choosing your representatives. Let the voters decide! On 11/05/07, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch(a)humanistische-union.de> wrote: > Dear all, > > we are about to take decisions which will have a strong influence not only > on the way internet user from Europe are represented within ALAC but also in > what atmosphere we will continue our cooperation. > > I got the impression we are dealing with a constituency more or less split > in half on whom to elect for the 2 ALAC seats: one group favouring > Patrick/Sebastian the other group favouring Veronica > > Therefore I suggest that we agree on sending Veronica and either Patrick or > Sebastian. > > That would leave us with two decisions: > - Patrick or Sebastian > - Who Veronica or Patrick/Sebastian should get the 2-year term. > > If we can reach the agreement and decide the two remaining questions, we > would either skip the vote or vote in a way to reach the desired result. > > This way the rules would not be bent. > > Maybe Patrick and Sebastian could negotiate amongst themselves who would > withdraw his candidacy if we reach the agreement described above. > > Christoph > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Voting procedure for ALAC seats
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 18, 2007

May 18, 2007

May I suggest to everyone that it is usual, during voting, not to either explain votes, state support for candidatures or choices, or the opposite. After the voting ends is the usual point at which explanations of a vote, if there are any, are to be expected. Nick On 18/05/07, Christoph Bruch <bruch(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > Hi Nick, > Just for the record: I did not propose to bend or change the agreed voting > procedure. > I suggested to find a compromise and to then vote accordingly. > Christoph > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Nick > Ashton-Hart > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 14:32 > An: Dr. Christoph Bruch > Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Voting procedure for ALAC seats > > Christophe: > > Whilst I appreciate the spirit of compromise behind this proposal, may > I remind everyone that this would be changing the decision reached in > Lisbon on how to proceed - and at the last minute before the vote > called for as agreed at that meeting. > > Again, this proposal would be a reconsideration of the decision of > Lisbon. I would suggest, like on another proposal earlier to > reconsider Lisbon outcomes, that the community should only entertain > reconsidering something if there is the obvious support for doing so. > That would, if we use the international standard for reconsideration > of decisions, mean that two-thirds of the ALSes would have to agree to > reconsider. > > If we continue down the path we are on, may I stress that you are > simply deferring any discussion on real policy far into the future, > you are endangering the ability of the ALAC members you (eventually) > choose being able to attend and represent you in Lisbon, etc. I cannot > imagine that any of you really wish to spend months more discussing > procedure, having just spent years doing so? > > May I also further point out that holding a vote on the candidates is > clearly the most democratically-recognised method of choosing your > representatives. Let the voters decide! > > On 11/05/07, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch(a)humanistische-union.de> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > we are about to take decisions which will have a strong influence not only > > on the way internet user from Europe are represented within ALAC but also > in > > what atmosphere we will continue our cooperation. > > > > I got the impression we are dealing with a constituency more or less split > > in half on whom to elect for the 2 ALAC seats: one group favouring > > Patrick/Sebastian the other group favouring Veronica > > > > Therefore I suggest that we agree on sending Veronica and either Patrick > or > > Sebastian. > > > > That would leave us with two decisions: > > - Patrick or Sebastian > > - Who Veronica or Patrick/Sebastian should get the 2-year term. > > > > If we can reach the agreement and decide the two remaining questions, we > > would either skip the vote or vote in a way to reach the desired result. > > > > This way the rules would not be bent. > > > > Maybe Patrick and Sebastian could negotiate amongst themselves who would > > withdraw his candidacy if we reach the agreement described above. > > > > Christoph > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i > cann.org > > > > > -- > -- > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i > cann.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Vote for EURALO board size
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 18, 2007

May 18, 2007

Currently the ballot has options for voters to choose 5, 7, 9, or all candidates. Each of those options therefore has equal treatment with respect to potential votes, and an equal chance to receive the largest number of votes. Voting is currently underway as you know. On 18/05/07, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch(a)humanistische-union.de> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > I was asked by several people how we would count the votes for the size of > the EURALO board. > > > > According to my understanding we start with the "include all" option. > > If this option does not reach the majority, these votes will be added to the > "membership of 9" votes. > > If this option does not reach the majority, these votes will be added to the > "membership of 7" votes. ... > > > > Christoph > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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October 2007 Meeting Location Announced
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 17, 2007

May 17, 2007

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-17may07.htm Location of Third ICANN Meeting for 2007 17 May 2007 ICANN advises that the public meeting scheduled to be held from 29 October through 2 November 2007 will take place in Los Angeles, California, USA. ICANN holds three public meetings each year. The location of these meetings are rotated through the five ICANN regions and selected on the basis of proposals received from various local groups interested in hosting the meeting. The announced region for the location of the October 2007 meeting was Asia Pacific. A review of proposals from two potential hosts determined that it was not possible to proceed at this time due to various logistical issues. ICANN examined a number of non-hosted locations in the Asia Pacific in attempt to adhere to the Asia Pacific rotation. Again, for reasons of logistics, cost and seasonal demand, it proved extremely difficult to find a location. Given this situation it has been decided to locate this meeting in Los Angeles. Without a host this maximizes the capacity of staff to resource the event in an efficient and economical way. The location is also a major travel hub and the quantity of hotel accommodation means that this should prove to be a less expensive meeting than some other options. ICANN recognizes that, following the upcoming meeting in San Juan, Puerto Rico, this means two meetings in a row held in the United States. As a result, ICANN today is posting a request for proposal to host ICANN meetings in 2008, as well as the dates and rotations for meetings to be held in 2009 and 2010. As part of this posting, ICANN has modified the rotation to designate the region for the first meeting in 2008 as Asia Pacific. The next scheduled North American meeting has been removed from the rotation. Due to the increased participation at the ICANN meetings, significant changes have been made to the requirements to host an ICANN meeting, with ICANN assuming more responsibility for planning and finances. Proposals to host the three 2008 meetings will be accepted through 15 June 2007. The 2008 – 2010 meeting rotation schedule can be found at http:// www.icann.org/meetings/ and the request for proposal to host ICANN meetings in 2008 can be found at http://www.icann.org/meetings/rfp/ rfp-2007.htm. Questions regarding hosting a meeting should be addressed to the ICANN meeting staff at meeting(a)icann.org. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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At-Large community involvement in policy development
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 16, 2007

May 16, 2007

Dear Community: In order to broaden the opportunities for At-Large throughout the world to get involved in the development of policy throughout ICANN, the existing liaisons which ALAC has appointed to the various standing bodies of ICANN is asking for volunteers! Mailing lists have been established to help the existing liaisons get some help - these are big jobs for one person to handle as they sometimes involve participating in several different committees or working groups. The new mailing lists can be found below. In addition, on the ALAC wiki is a new section to keep you up-to-date on what is going on. Visit https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi? at_large_policy_working_groups and you will find an evolving and growing set of pages telling you what At-Large is involved in - and how you can get involved in too! GNSO Moderator & Liaison– Alan Greenberg Email - gnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org URL to public page: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ gnso-liaison_atlarge-lists.icann.org ALAC Wiki Page: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?gnso_liaison ICANN Board Liaison Moderator & Liaison– Vittorio Bertola Email - board-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org URL to public page: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ board-liaison_atlarge-lists.icann.org ALAC Wiki Page: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?icann_board_liaison ccNSO Moderator & Liaison – Siavash Shahshahani Email - ccnso-liaison(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org URL to public page: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ ccnso-liaison_atlarge-lists.icann.org ALAC Wiki Page: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?ccnso_liaison IDN Policy Development Moderator & Liaison – Hong Xue Email - idn-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org URL to public page: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.org ALAC Wiki Page: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?idn_policy_formation WHOIS Policy Moderator & Liaison – Wendy Seltzer Email - whois-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org URL to public page: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ whois-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.org ALAC Wiki Page: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?whois_policy -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Public Comment Period opens on Telnic proposal to amend registry agreement for .TEL gTLD
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 15, 2007

May 15, 2007

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-11may07.htm. ICANN Opens Comment Period on Telnic Proposal 11 May 2007 On 27 April 2007, ICANN posted for public information a proposal from Telnic Ltd., the sponsor of the .TEL top-level domain, to amend the .TEL Registry Agreement. Specifically, Telnic is seeking to alter the public display of Whois for TEL customers pursuant to Appendix S, Section VII of the .TEL Registry Agreement (http://www.icann.org/tlds/ agreements/tel/appendix-s-07apr06.htm#Part7). (Telnic intends to launch registry operations in late 2007/early 2008.) Telnic’s request states that they have been in communication with the UK Information Commissioner’s Office concerning Telnic’s current contractual obligations on Whois. However, there is no pending enforcement action against Telnic, therefore this is not a situation that would trigger the Draft ICANN Procedure for Handling Whois Conflicts with Privacy Law (http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois- privacy/whois_national_laws_procedure.htm). In addition, this change is being proposed while discussion continues within the GNSO Policy Development Process on Whois. Telnic (and all gTLD registries) will be required to comply with new Whois consensus policy when approved by the Board. As provided for by existing consensus policy (http://www.icann.org/ registries/rsep/rsep.html), ICANN has undertaken a preliminary determination period to determine whether the proposed service might raise significant security or stability, or competition issues. ICANN's determination is that the proposed amendment does not raise such issues. The next step in evaluation is that (because implementation of the proposal would require a change to the .TEL Registry Agreement) ICANN will post the proposed amendment, solicit public comment and refer the proposal to the ICANN Board for consideration. A copy of the proposed amendment is available at http://www.icann.org/ tlds/agreements/tel/tel-amendment-30may07.pdf [PDF, 25K] and provides for changes to Appendix 1, Appendix 5 and Appendix S, Part VI of the .TEL Registry Agreement. The comments on the proposal may be submitted to registryservice(a)icann.orguntil 11 June 2007 23:59 UTC and may be viewed at http://forum.icannorg/lists/registryservice/. The process for considering new registry services is posted athttp:// www.icann.org/registries/rsep/rsep.html. All documentation regarding this proposed service and corresponding comment forum has been previously posted as part of the procedure at http://www.icann.org/ registries/rsep/#2007004. -- Patrick Patrick L. Jones Registry Liaison Manager Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey, CA 90292 Tel: +1 310 301 3861 Fax: +1 310 823 8649 patrick.jones(a)icann.org

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Vote on ALS Applications
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 15, 2007

May 15, 2007

Dear All: Since queries have come in, be advised that the voting on the following applications has been held over for a few extra days to allow a few members of the ALAC who have been busy to cast their vote. We expect to be able to announce the results of the voting officially very shortly and on behalf of the ALAC, let me extend apologies to the applications who are waiting for the results: Alberta Community Network Association (ACNA) Association for Community Networking (AFCN) Slovenian Consumers Association (ZPS) Telecommunities Canada Consumers Protection Centre (KEPKA) EFN National Consumers' League Consumer Reports Webwatch Internauta Brasil ISOC Burundi -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 15, 2007

May 15, 2007

Dear Community: I believe the materials below will be of interest. Begin forwarded message: > From: Denise Michel <denise.michel(a)icann.org> > Date: 15 May 2007 14:26:38 BDT > To: Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton(a)spamcop.net> > Subject: Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy > > Attached are documents relating to Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy > under consideration by the GNSO Council, which is discussing status > and next steps: > > 1) is the draft advisory, unchanged from last message in January. > <Draft-Transfer-Advisory-24jan07.doc> > > 2) is some notes on possible tighter wording/clarifications to the > existing policy. This consists of 4 points taken out of the previous > "policy issues" > list--all of these had to do with the reasons for denial section. > <DenialClarifications-28mar07.doc> > > 3) is a revised list of policy issues with the above-mentioned items > taken out. > <Draft-TransfersPolicyList-28mar07> > > > Please let me know if At-Large requires further information. > > Regards, > > Denise > > Denise Michel > Vice President, Policy Development > ICANN www.icann.org > denise.michel@icann.org

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EURALO elections
by At Large Staff May 15, 2007

May 15, 2007

Please be advised that the election for ALAC candidates, board members and number of board seats will commence tomorrow, Wednesday 16th May, at noon UTC and will close at noon UTC on Sunday 20th May. The 16 agreed voters will receive an email later today with voting codes and access to the polls. Regards At-Large Staff

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