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COMMENTS NEEDED: Terms of Reference for ALAC Review
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 24, 2007

May 24, 2007

Dear All: More big news for At-Large: http://www.icann.org/announcements/ announcement-1-30mar07.htm The Independent Review Terms of Reference are very important - I hope all of you will comment on them so that your views can be taken into account when the final terms of reference are drafted. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Nominations - update II
by Vittorio Bertola May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

All, this is the current status of nominations. The people who did not accept or reject yet are kindly expected to do so as soon as possible. (Wolfgang - you wrote that both Veronica and Desiree accepted, but I find it hard to vote for someone who has never sent a single message to this mailing list - could you please encourage them to join the list and send a message of acceptance and self-introduction?) For the rest, I would follow Annette's suggestion and start the discussion on the two slates of candidates and on the number of Board members. In the revised schedule, voting was expected to start on April 29th but let's see how the discussion goes - if the discussion is still alive and productive, I'm also fine with waiting until May 5th for the vote. By the way - assuming that all nominations are accepted, we now have eight candidates for the Board. If we agreed that whoever is not elected for the ALAC is added to the Board, we could have a 9-member Board and the two ALAC members, not reject anyone's desire to contribute, and only have to vote (if necessary) once. What would you think of this? Regards, == Nominations for the ALAC Patrick Vande Walle (self-nomination) (accepted) Sebastien Bachollet (Dessi) (accepted) Veronica Cretu (Wolfgang) (?) Dessi Pefeva (Vittorio) (rejected) == Nominations for the EURALO Board Rudi Vansnick (self-nomination) (accepted) Vittorio Bertola (self-nomination) (accepted) Dessi Pefeva (Vittorio) (?) Christoph Bruch (Vittorio, Wolfgang) (accepted) Desiree Miloshevic (Wolfgang) (?) Bill Drake (Wolfgang) (accepted) Jeanette Hofmann (Wolfgang) (accepted) Andres Oliva (Dessi) (?) Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (Vittorio) (rejected) -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] PROPOSED TELECONFERENCE - 30th April
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

It appears that we should schedule the call for May 4th, then, at at 1600 UTC / 1700 UK / 1800 Continental time. Any objections? On 26/04/07, Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> wrote: > Rudi Vansnick ha scritto: > > Hi Nick, > > > > I'll not be able as I'm away for a few days (holidays). I will be back > > on the 2nd. > > Me too - I think many in Europe are taking their only chance of a few > days' break between Sunday 29th and Tuesday 1st (which is a holiday). I > might be able to find a phone to receive a call where I am (visiting a > friend in Munich) but I'd rather have the call on the 3rd or 4th, if > possible. But I wouldn't mind missing the call either, if this is > impossible. > -- > vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- > --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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PROPOSED TELECONFERENCE - 30th April
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 2, 2007

May 2, 2007

We can do that yes - I'm back from holiday now (though I have come down with a cold!) and I'm copying in Susie. >From reading the list, why don't we aim for: 30th April, 1600 UTC (1700 London, 1800 Brussels/Paris/Geneva). Proposed length of call: 1 Hour. Please reply if this does NOT work for you (with an alternate that would). On 25/04/07, Patrick Vande Walle <patrick(a)vande-walle.eu> wrote: > Hello Nick, > > According to the process detailed on the Wiki, we should have a > teleconference to discuss the nominations. > > Can the ICANN staff suggest a possible date and make the necessary > arrangements ? > > Thanks a lot, > > Patrick > > Annette Muehlberg wrote: > > What do you think about the following schedule: > > > > - Sunday 22nd end of nomination period for ALAC candidates > > > > - Monday 23rd of April opening the discussion on candidates for ALAC and > > the Board trying to find a consensus. > > > > - Friday, 4th of May, end of discussion - hopefully in consensus - on > > the ALAC candidates. > > > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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ALAC candidates and rules
by Roberto Gaetano May 2, 2007

May 2, 2007

Folks, This discussion seems more and more a piece of the theater of the absurd. So, if I understand correctly, we have spent months in discussing rules, we thought that we were done, but the ink is not yet dry and we want already take actions that disregard the treaty just signed. "White man speaks with forked tongue", comes immediately to my mind. Anyway, leaving this absurdity aside for a moment, there were some more substantial contributions that I would like to comment. Wolfgang wrote: > In last years NomCom we picked Jon Bing from the Oslo > Internet Institute as a person who never attended ICANN > meetings but with a big potential to bring fesh ideeas to the > GNSO. Ask Bruce Tomkin what he thinks now after one year of > Jons contirbutions. His interventions and actions are > excellent. If only "CANN experience"wuld have been counted he > never woould hzave been selected by NomCm and the ICANn > community would have lost a very potential contributor. Absolutely correct. However, it is the role of the NomCom to bring in new people, broadening the search beyond the traditional ICANN environment. The NomCom has nominated to the Name Council somebody without ICANN experience, but I would be extremely surprised if the constituencies would elect somebody of the same type. Quite the contrary, you will found that the people that the constituencies send to NomCom are very experienced, and also very active on ICANN-related issues. So, while it would have been very appropriate for NomCom to select new people with high potential like Veronica (instead, they nominated Annette), it is not clear to me why the European ALSes should, or would, elect somebody unknown to most. In this respect, I would like to make another comment. I do not have any doubt that Veronica could pick up rapidly and be effective. But if I were a voting member, which luckily I am not, I would be extremely puzzled to vote for somebody that I don't know which positions will take in the ALAC. I would wonder also what kind of guarantee of participation will I get from somebody who has sent to the EURALO mailing lists just one message, namely the acceptance of the candidature. You might admit that this does not show commitment. Another thing that I don't understand is the following. The terms of the ALAC representatives are staggered. This means that one person will be elected for one year, the other one for two years (please correct me if I am wrong). What is wrong in having the two more experienced members in the initial phase, and give Veronica one year of time, maybe as part of the Board (where there's no constraint on ALS membership), to understand the issues and the environment, and to participate? Then next year the decision will be based on real understanding of what the positions of the candidate are, rather than an act of faith on the person, or nationality on the passport. Can somebody explain to me why to elect a candidate who has not yet expressed position on any of the issues that ALAC is debating has become so important that we are ready even to disregard our recently signed bylaws? Is the need to have right now, and not in a year, somebody from Eastern Europe so important that it takes priority over other considerations? I don't understand. And when I don't understand, my paranoia makes me suspicious. Cheers, Roberto

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ALAC Candidates
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 1, 2007

May 1, 2007

Dear Colleagues: With respect to the candidates for the 2 ALAC seats, when sending the statement of your experience, and your view of what you could provide as an ALAC representative of the European constituency, could you also confirm the ALS which you were a member of as at the deadline for expressions of interest / nominations for the ALAC seats of 20th April 2007. This is in relation to the qualification for ALAC representatives as provided in the MoU, Clause 5.4.1: "The EURALO will choose two (2) individuals to serve as representatives on the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and other bodies as appropriate in the terms specified in the ICANN Bylaws. The voting rights shall be determined by the EURALO. The selected representatives must be members of different ALSes, must have their principal residence in different countries of the region and their nationalities must be different, save always that the EURALO may define additional diversity requirements. Selected representatives will have the responsibilities described in the ICANN Bylaws. " It was pointed out to me that whilst this may be well-known in the case of some nominees, it may not be in respect of others. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] ALAC Candidates
by Nick Ashton-Hart April 30, 2007

April 30, 2007

Dear Annette: Having just signed an agreement with ICANN, and between each other, I cannot think it would be anything but improper to start ignoring what has just been agreed. This would not seem to me a good way to start out with a new organisation. If the ALS community is happy to have Veronica join an ALS at this time, then I'm sure someone would make a 'home' for her in order to satisfy the requirement. if it is felt that she needed to be a member of an ALS before the nominations closed, or in order to have been nominated in the first place, then that would clearly pose a problem to her candidacy - I do not recommend any particular course of action here - except that the group find a way not to disregard the documents it has just signed up to. On 30/04/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg(a)web.de> wrote: > > Dear Nick, dear all, > > I agree with Jeanette and would like to add, that Veronica applied already > in January and the ALAC, who discussed proposing Veronica as one of the > candidates to the ICANN Board did not get a hint that there would be any > restriction concerning non-ALS members. > > Anyhow, Veronica could join any time the network new media (an accredited > european ALS) if not being an ALS member would be a serious problem, though > I do not think it is. > > Instead of creating bureaucracy we should be practical: it is the same > situation as with the EURALO board - if the EURALO selects a person, this > person means something to the EURALO members and this is what counts. It is > enough that an ALS nominates a candidate, this candidate should not be > forced to join an ALS for formal reasons (this procedure might raise the > number of members of the nnm, which I very much appreciate ;-) but it is > absolutely not neccessary). As far as I know, the NomCom is not restricted > to select a person who is a member of an ALS, the EURALO should not be so > either. > > Best greetings > > Annette > > Jeanette Hofmann schrieb: > Hi, > > no matter what bylaws and MoU say, I support a broad interpretation of > diversity including gender, geo-political culture and political > perspectives. If we have the opportunity to cover several dimensions of > diversity, why would we not do this? > Regarding experience with ICANN, if experience would principally count > more than diversity, old hands would always prevail and newcomers never > had a chance. Moreover, ALAC like the ICANN board can and should combine > a mixture of experienced and new members. > Jeanette > > Thomas Roessler schrieb: > > > On 2007-04-29 21:06:06 +0200, Patrick Vande Walle wrote: > > > > > /To be frank, I'd find it a strange move to have two folks wearing > ISOC hats as EURALO's choices to ALAC. I'd rather see that more > balanced; in practice, that would mean that we should appoint > Veronica and either Sebastien or you./ > > > /I see nothing in the MoU or bylaws that support this vision. > > I was arguing from an overall political perspective. I was *not* > talking about the MOU, so your response is a distraction. (Which I > find disappointing.) > > Cheers, > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] PROPOSED TELECONFERENCE - 30th April
by Nick Ashton-Hart April 30, 2007

April 30, 2007

There will be a voting mechanism available - At-Large uses the voting system of BigPulse.com; we have an account that allows the RALOs to conduct their votes through that system as well as the ALAC votes each month. On 30/04/07, William Drake <drake(a)hei.unige.ch> wrote: > Hi, > > I will be traveling and unavailable, sorry. > > Trying as a newbie to read between the lines of the dialogue here, a > question: if consensus doesn't emerge, do/can we have some sort of voting > mechanism in place? That would make things easier for people who can't join > the teleconference, too. > > Bill > > > On 4/30/07 12:42 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> wrote: > > > It appears that we should schedule the call for May 4th, then, at at > > 1600 UTC / 1700 UK / 1800 Continental time. > > > > Any objections? > > > > On 26/04/07, Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> wrote: > >> Rudi Vansnick ha scritto: > >>> Hi Nick, > >>> > >>> I'll not be able as I'm away for a few days (holidays). I will be back > >>> on the 2nd. > >> > >> Me too - I think many in Europe are taking their only chance of a few > >> days' break between Sunday 29th and Tuesday 1st (which is a holiday). I > >> might be able to find a phone to receive a call where I am (visiting a > >> friend in Munich) but I'd rather have the call on the 3rd or 4th, if > >> possible. But I wouldn't mind missing the call either, if this is > >> impossible. > >> -- > >> vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- > >> --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- > >> > > > > *********************************************************** > William J. Drake drake(a)hei.unige.ch > Director, Project on the Information > Revolution and Global Governance/PSIO > Graduate Institute for International Studies > Geneva, Switzerland > http://hei.unige.ch/psio/researchprojects/Drake.html > *********************************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] ALAC Candidates
by Nick Ashton-Hart April 30, 2007

April 30, 2007

I'm afraid that understanding is not correct. In respect of the ALAC representatives, the situation is as provided in the clause I posted in my previous email - all ALAC representatives would need to be at least a member of an accredited ALS, though they would not need to be the official representative (as in voting representative) of an ALS. This interpretation is as provided in the previously-quoted MoU text, but it is also present in the Bylaws agreed, in clause 11.5.10. I hope that makes things clearer. On 30/04/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote: > My understanding is, that recognized ALS can nominate also individual candidates for the ALAC which are not a formal member of the ALS. In the case of Veronica- she does not herself represent an ALS - I proposed her to be an ALAC candidate and insofar it would be the Media City Leipzig e.V. as a recognized ALS which she would represent. > > Best wishes > > Wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Von: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart > Gesendet: Mo 30.04.2007 12:47 > An: euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; Discussion for At-Large Europe > Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] ALAC Candidates > > > > Dear Colleagues: > > With respect to the candidates for the 2 ALAC seats, when sending the > statement of your experience, and your view of what you could provide > as an ALAC representative of the European constituency, could you also > confirm the ALS which you were a member of as at the deadline for > expressions of interest / nominations for the ALAC seats of 20th April > 2007. > > This is in relation to the qualification for ALAC representatives as > provided in the MoU, Clause 5.4.1: > > "The EURALO will choose two (2) individuals to serve as > representatives on the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and other > bodies as appropriate in the terms specified in the ICANN Bylaws. The > voting rights shall be determined by the EURALO. The selected > representatives must be members of different ALSes, must have their > principal residence in different countries of the region and their > nationalities must be different, save always that the EURALO may > define additional diversity requirements. Selected representatives > will have the responsibilities described in the ICANN Bylaws. " > > It was pointed out to me that whilst this may be well-known in the > case of some nominees, it may not be in respect of others. > > -- > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Public Consultation on Terms of Reference for Independent Review of ALAC
by Nick Ashton-Hart April 30, 2007

April 30, 2007

Dear Community: As you know, the consultation on the independent review terms of reference is scheduled to end today, April 30th. However, since the translations of the Terms of Reference and the announcement of the consultation were not available at the start of the consultation period, I'm happy to inform you that the consultation will remain open through this week - through the 6th May. Those of you who wish to respond in a language other than english should feel free to do so! I hope you will pardon the delay between the english version being posted and the other 3 language versions, and will understand that we are doing our best to provide as much information of this kind in other languages as we can, as quickly as we can. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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