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alac review
by Annette Muehlberg June 30, 2008

June 30, 2008

All, Regarding the ALAC review, we are working in Paris on a draft for a statement from EURALO which we will post on the list. Meanwhile I want to let you know that theNARALO has already been working on such a statement. This is its latest draft. Best greetings Annette *** NARALO, by consensus agreement, urges ALAC to take every measure possible to encourage rejection of the report of the 2008 ALAC review by the ICANN board and other members of the ICANN community. We believe that the ALAC Review process has been flawed from the very start of its process, and has produced recommendations which serve neither the multi-stakeholder goals of ICANN nor the needs of its at-large community. While the report indicates we were heard, we were clearly not listened to. The logic behind the recommendation to deny At-Large voting membership on the ICANN Board is puzzling; even in its best possible interpretation the rationale emphasizes rigidity over good and responsible governance. Not only do the ALAC review recommendations fail to progress the needs of ICANN's At-Large community, they take a significant step backwards by requesting that an even larger proportion of ALAC than currently exists be composed of unaccountable, non-representative appointees of the Nominating Committee. The result is a real and visible reduction of the voice of the community for whom ALAC is supposed to speak, opposing the recommendations of the Nominating Committee's own review. In rejecting the consultants' report, ALAC must offer creative and viable alternative recommendations which would increase accountability. while enhancing the bi-directional communications required between ICANN and its global grassroots communuty. What is at issue is not only what the community must offer to ICANN, but also what ICANN _owes_ to the community of Internet users who have neither financial nor academic interest in Internet operation. For these reasons, we call upon ALAC and other members of the ICANN community to challenge the recommendations of the current ALAC review, as well as the very frames of reference upon which they were constructed. We believe that such actions are required for the betterment of ICANN's public constituency.

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user_s summit 2009 and icann committment to be user oriented
by Annette Muehlberg June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

All, We finally made it and will be able to organize a userŽs summit in Mexico, March 2009! I think it would be great if we could make sure, that the userŽs summit will not be something seperated from the ICANN Meeting. Instead, ICANN should show its committment to strengthen its bottom up structure and be user oriented in all its policies. For the public discussion my proposal is, to approach all icann bodies - such as the board, various committees, the advisory councils, the ICANN supporting organisations and their constituencies as well as icann staff. We should ask them - throughout the whole icann meetings whenever they give a public presentations - to explain what the respective issues/ policy proposals mean for the internet end-user. I think implementing such a procedure would be a great step forward. Best greetings and many thanks to all, who have been working very hard to make the summit possible. Annette

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Report of the EURALO General Assembly
by Nick Ashton-Hart June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

Dear All: It is my pleasure to inform you that you will find the Report of the EURALO GA linked to the homepage of EURALO at www.euralo.org and attached. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Novotel & Internet Access
by Nick Ashton-Hart June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

Dear All: For those who may not have heard, the Internet is included as previously stated, and you will not be charged for the Internet. If they try, refuse to let them charge you and tell them to call Michael Evans at +1 310 779 2445 or Stacy Hoffberg at +1 310 266 2288. The hotel knows both Michael and Stacy very well as they are the two members of staff who made the hotel arrangements. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] alac review
by Vittorio Bertola June 25, 2008

June 25, 2008

JFC Morfin ha scritto: > PS. I expect Westlake to lurke on this list? I don't think so, but if anyone wants to have an exchange of views with Westlake and/or the Review WG, we are available right now - until 11am - in the Hemingway room, and tomorrow 10:00-12:00 somewhere in the foyer. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

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EURALO meeting tomorrow
by Wolf Ludwig June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

Dear all, as discussed with some of the Paris EURALO attendees in the couloirs, we should sit together and discuss / draft urgent agenda issues like -Draft of EURALO statement on the ALAC Review, -other Outreach / activities etc. Therefore I suggest to meet tomorrow morning – as tomorrow’s AM programme is not overloaded yet. What’s about the following options: Wednesday, 25 June, 9.30 AM, Wednesday, 25 June, 10.00 AM, Wednesday, 25 June, 10.30 AM, in the Meridien / Conf. lobby. Please let me know your preferences ASAP! I will check for a meeting room where we can sit together. Thanks for your replies. Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net Digitale Allemd http://blog.allmend.ch - EURALO https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe

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FW: alac review mail from jeanette
by Annette Muehlberg June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

hi, jeanetteŽs mail did not get through to the list, so i forward it to you. maybe mathias could check and try to get jeanette on the list again. greetings annette > Hi all, > > > Vittorio Bertola wrote: > > > Just my two cents, as a person who's been seeing how this statement is > > being received: I think it's the wrong kind of statement to make; > > > I agree with Dominic and Wolfgang. I think it is exactly the right > statement to make. > it > > sounds like "three days after the first draft of the report, since it > > doesn't give us 100% of what we wanted, > > I am not sure you understand what ALAC wants, Vittorio. This is not a > matter of 100% or even 50%, the portray of ALAC as such is flawed. > > My impression at yesterday's meeting was that the consultant hasn't > understood enough of ICANN's overall structure to see and evaluate ALAC > and relation to that structure. > > I support a statement that rejects the report and asks for a new one. > jeanette > > we're ready to conclude that it > > is unacceptable in its entirety, and by the way you're all corrupt, you > > owe obedience to us and we call for a revolt against you". I assume that > > this is a common tone for statements in the US, but IMHO here it is > > unlikely to be very well received or even considered - its only result > > (as we saw yesterday) will be to put your interlocutors in defensive mode. > > > > If *RALO thinks that there are factual errors or omissions in the > > report, it should submit a written comment to the reviewers specifying > > where are the errors and providing facts to support the claim. The > > NARALO statement doesn't do any of that. Apart from that, the reviewers > > are independent and are free to conclude whatever they deem fit, others > > are free to disagree but challenging their legitimacy or honesty won't > > fly very well, and won't get them to change their report. > > > > Alternatively, a statement to the Review WG focusing on suggestions for > > the way forward - what to do with the report, and why certain parts > > could be ignored or considered under a different light - is appropriate, > > but perhaps it is even too early for that, as the initial draft > > recommendations of the WG won't be out before Cairo. In any case, any > > constructive suggestion regarding how to go forward (including requests > > about how to address the issues that many people care about, but that > > clearly don't pertain to an ALAC review) would be much more useful and > > productive. > > > > Ciao, > --

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO meeting tomorrow
by Annette Muehlberg June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

as the gnso meeting is going on in the mor > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Rudi Vansnick" <rudi.vansnick(a)gmail.com> > Gesendet: 24.06.08 17:03:42 > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO meeting tomorrow as the gnso meeting is going on. i would like to propose 11:00 - 13:00. best annette > > Wolf Ludwig schreef: > > Dear all, > > > > as discussed with some of the Paris EURALO attendees in the couloirs, we should sit together and discuss / draft urgent agenda issues like > > -Draft of EURALO statement on the ALAC Review, > > -other Outreach / activities etc. > > > > Therefore I suggest to meet tomorrow morning â as tomorrowâs AM programme is not overloaded yet. Whatâs about the following options: > > > > Wednesday, 25 June, 9.30 AM, > > Wednesday, 25 June, 10.00 AM, > > Wednesday, 25 June, 10.30 AM, in the Meridien / Conf. lobby. > > > This fits for me, I'll be awaiting the other reactions ... > > Rudi > > Please let me know your preferences ASAP! I will check for a meeting room where we can sit together. > > > > Thanks for your replies. Best, > > Wolf > > > > > > > > > > comunica-ch > > phone +41 79 204 83 87 > > Skype: Wolf-Ludwig > > www.comunica-ch.net > > > > Digitale Allemd > > http://blog.allmend.ch - > > > > EURALO > > https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1516 - Release Date: 24/06/2008 7:53 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org --

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FW: invitation tonight .bzh cocktail
by Annette Muehlberg June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

dear all who are in paris, i would like to invite you in the name of amadeu to the cocktail at 18:30 today, see below. > the .bzh promoters (a linguistic and cultural TLD for Brtons, yes, > Britany, not Britain ;-))) want to invite you to the cocktail they are > organising today at 18:30 at Maison de la Bretagne, 500 from here. greetings annette

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Invitation to Helsinki outreach ...
by Annette Muehlberg June 24, 2008

June 24, 2008

hi tommi, that is very good. maybe we can start discussing this issue a little later this week. best greetings annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Tommi Karttaavi" <tommi.karttaavi(a)iki.fi> > Gesendet: 23.06.08 22:25:54 > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > CC: "jonne.soininen" <jonne.soininen(a)nsn.com> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Invitation to Helsinki outreach ... > Hi, > > I would like to make a standing offer to support any such activities, if > needed. > > I am not in Paris, but a fellow ISOC Finland board member is (or was, > I'm not sure). I'm cc:ing him. > > Regards, > > Tommi > > Wolf Ludwig wrote: > > Hi Wolfgang, > > > > I would like to consider your "standing invitation to use Helsinki as another outreach activity to Russia and Nothern Europe (Estonia etc.) still very seriously -- it would be good to find some time over the next days to discuss this in detail! > > > > Best, > > Wolf > > > > > > Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote 22 Jun 2008 17:32: > > > >>I am sorry I am in the morning with the GIGANET meeting at the Sorbonne and have 12.30 anoher consultation on the ICANN Studienkreis meeting in Helsinki, September 4 - 5, 2008. > >> > >>But please consider the standing invitation to use Helsinki as another outreach activity to Russia and Nothern Europe (Estonia etc.) > >> > >>wolfgang > >> > >>________________________________ > >> > >>Von: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Annette Muehlberg > >>Gesendet: So 22.06.2008 17:26 > >>An: Discussion for At-Large Europe > >>Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Statement on ALAC review > >> > >> > >> > >>those who are in paris: > >> > >>I talked with Frederic, he will try to get the room Rodin from 11:30 to 13:00. > >> > >>which does not mean that we should take that long, but it is the most practical for a short euralo drafting meeting. > >> > >>best > >>annette > >> > >> > >>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >>>Von: "Dominik Filipp" <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> > >>>Gesendet: 22.06.08 16:12:50 > >>>An: "Discussion for At-Large Europe" <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >>>Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Statement on ALAC review > >> > >> > >>>Thanks, Jeanette > >>> > >>>Dominik > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>[mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > >>>Jeanette Hofmann > >>>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:09 PM > >>>To: Discussion for At-Large Europe > >>>Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Statement on ALAC review > >>> > >>>Yes, it is being discussed. But we havn't found a time slot yet where a > >>>sufficient number of EURALO members can meet to draft a statement. One > >>>potential meeting time discussed today over lunch would be tomorrow, > >>>Monday, at 11.30 after the IPv4/IPv6 workshop. Perhaps, Euralo members > >>>currrently in Paris could indicate their interest and availability for > >>>small drafting group? > >>> > >>>Thanks, jeanette > >>> > >>>Dominik Filipp wrote: > >>> > >>>>Wolf, > >>>> > >>>>Has EURALO been considering issuing a statement regarding the draft on > >>> > >>>>ALAC review similarly as NARALO did? > >>>> > >>>>Dominik > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>>[mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > >>>>Wolf Ludwig > >>>>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:54 PM > >>>>To: Discussion for At-Large Europe > >>>>Subject: [EURO-Discuss] WG: ALS Summit Questionnaire > >>>> > >>>>Dear all, > >>>> > >>>>attached you find copies of the famous and "lost" Questionnaire of the > >>> > >>>>Summit-WG again what we discussed yesterday at our GA -- Please > >>>>support us by filling it in and to return it to the Staff as soon as > >>> > >>>possible! > >>> > >>>>Thanks and best regards, > >>>>Wolf > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Matthias Langenegger wrote Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:00: > >>>> > >>>>>Dear ALS representative from EURALO, > >>>>> > >>>>>As you are probably aware, At-Large has for some time had the > >>>>>intention > >>>> > >>>>to organize a global Summit of At-Large Structures. A subgroup of > >>>>At-Large called the Summit Working Group, has been charged with the > >>>>task to come up with a proposal, which will then be presented at the > >>>>ICANN Paris meeting at the end of this month. > >>>> > >>>>>To go ahead with the planning of this promising event, we kindly ask > >>>> > >>>>you to take a couple of minutes to respond to the questions attached. > >>>>There is a French and and English version of the questionnaire. > >>>> > >>>>>The questionnaire has been designed in a multiple-choice format for > >>>> > >>>>ease of processing. However, most questions leave you with the > >>>>opportunity to add your own thoughts at the end. > >>>> > >>>>>The results from the questionnaire will presented and reviewed at the > >>>> > >>>>Paris meeting. To do so, we need your answers no later than June 20. > >>>>Thank you. > >>>> > >>>>>Please note that the ICANN Board has not yet decided if the At-Large > >>>> > >>>>Summit will be part of the next budget. This questionnaire is intended > >>> > >>>>to bring to light the expectations the At-Large community associates > >>>>with this event . It does not mean that we can guarantee funding for > >>>>your ALS to assist this event at this point, however. > >>>> > >>>>>Best Regards, > >>>>>-- > >>>>>Matthias Langenegger > >>>>>At-Large Coordination Officer > >>>>>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > >>>>> > >>>>>Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > >>>>>Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > >>>>>Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>comunica-ch > >>>>phone +41 79 204 83 87 > >>>>Skype: Wolf-Ludwig > >>>>www.comunica-ch.net > >>>> > >>>>Digitale Allemd > >>>>http://blog.allmend.ch <http://blog.allmend.ch/> - > >>>> > >>>>EURALO > >>>>https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>EURO-Discuss mailing list > >>>>EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>> > >>> > >>>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lis > >>>ts.icann.org > >>> > >>>>Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>EURO-Discuss mailing list > >>>EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lis > >>>ts.icann.org > >>> > >>>Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>EURO-Discuss mailing list > >>>EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > >>> > >>>Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > >>> > >> > >>-- > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>EURO-Discuss mailing list > >>EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > >> > >>Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>EURO-Discuss mailing list > >>EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > >> > >>Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > >> > > > > > > comunica-ch > > phone +41 79 204 83 87 > > Skype: Wolf-Ludwig > > www.comunica-ch.net > > > > Digitale Allemd > > http://blog.allmend.ch - > > > > EURALO > > https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > --

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