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Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: EURALO GA and proposed Board Re-elections
by JFC Morfin July 3, 2008

July 3, 2008

At 13:22 03/07/2008, Wolf Ludwig wrote: >Dear all, >as communicated from Paris more than a week/7 days ago, the EURALO >General Assembly suggested the re-election of Board candidates (see >below). As there were no objections raised on this list in the given >period, the candidates are considered as elected. Congratulations to >Annette, Desiree, Bill and Rudi! >The Board is now complete again consisting of eight members. Looking >forward to a fruitful collaboration with all of you. >Best regards, >Wolf Dear Chair, Cher Président, -- I did not rise objection because we agree with you that we would review the situation ALAC/france@large after the end of the Semaine de l'Internet Mondial de Paris, as we proposed to call the different events in Paris since EGENI. During that week we had friendly talks together, and quick social contact with only one person of the Staff. Je n'ai pas soulevé d'objection car nous étions d'accord que nous reverions la situation ALAC/france@large après la fin de la Semaine de l'Internet Mondial de Paris, comme nous avions proposé de nommer les différents évennements à Paris depuis EGENI. Durant cette semaine nous avons eu des conversations amicales entre nous, et de brefs contacts de pure convivialité avec une seule personne du Personnel. -- This World Internet Week de Paris was closed yesterday by the france@large yearly quick-off meeting. Cette Semaine de l'Internet Mondial de Paris s'est conclue hier par la journée de lancement annuelle de france@large. -- The adopted line of action in five points towards a "better internet for each of us" includes political, normative, intertesting and PR actions to increase the awarness and the response to the other four points concerning the more @large specific needs of: a new multilingual distributed referential system for the use of the Internet, the documentation of the Intersem as the Semantic and Multilingual Internet, the ML-DNS and the Multilinc deployment, and the introduction of a Network Interoperations System. La ligne d'action adoptée en cinq points vers un "meilleur internet pour chacun" inclut des action politiques, normatives, d'intertest et de relations publiques pour sensibiliser et obtenir des coopérations sur les autres points qui concernent des besoins plus spécifiquement @alarge : un nouveau systeme référentiel multilingue et distribué pour l'usage de l'Internet, la documentation de l'Intersem comme l'Internet Semantique et Multilingue, le déploiement ML-DNS et Multinic, et l'introduction d'un Système d'Interoperations du Réseau. -- As indicated in a previous mail this poses the question of the ICANN status as discussed in Paris, paricularly through the IIC sessions and by the Minister Besson, and the place of this debate by the users: ALAC and/or ISOC and/or a new dedicated place. We certainly are attentive to the comments of everyone and do not want to put anyone under pressure. However, there is a calendar. We have a French intergovernance meeting on monday next. We have to prepare positions before the European ministry level meeting of Nice on Oct 6/7 if we want to have our input considered in the European Position of Nov 26, and benefit of the resulting world awareness in Hyderabad. Comme indiqué dans mon mail précédent ceci pose la question du statut de l'ICANN comme discuté à Paris, en particulier durant les sessions sur l'IIC et par le Ministre Besson, et le lieu de ce débat par les utilisateurs: l'ALAC et/ou ISOC et/ou un nouveau lieu spécialisé. Nous sommes certainement attentifs aux commentaire de tous et nous ne voulons mettre personne sous pression. Cependant il y a un calendrier. Nous avons une réunion française d'intergouvernance lundi prochain. Nous avons à préparer des positions avant le rendez-vous ministeriel de Nice des 6/7 octobre si nous voulons avoir nos contributions prises en considération par la position européenne du 26 Novembre, et qu'elles bénéficient de l'attention du monde à Hyderabad. -- I therefore need to see the Euralo definitly clarify its position regarding france@large before Sunday as we want to clearly indicate on Monday where france@large intends to discuss an Internet @large position on the Sufficient Safeguarding ICANN Against Capture and its current level of possible capture. J'ai donc besoin que la position d'Euralo concernant france@large soit définitivement clarifiée avant dimanche car nous voulons clairement indiquer lundi où france@large entend discuter la position @large des utilisateurs pilotes de l'Internet sur la protection suffisante de l'ICANN contre sa capture et son niveau de capture éventuelle actuel. -- Cheers. Cordialement. jfc Secrétaire Général france@large http://franceatlarge.org

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WG: EURALO GA and proposed Board Re-elections
by Wolf Ludwig July 3, 2008

July 3, 2008

Dear all, as communicated from Paris more than a week/7 days ago, the EURALO General Assembly suggested the re-election of Board candidates (see below). As there were no objections raised on this list in the given period, the candidates are considered as elected. Congratulations to Annette, Desiree, Bill and Rudi! The Board is now complete again consisting of eight members. Looking forward to a fruitful collaboration with all of you. Best regards, Wolf Wolf Ludwig wrote Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:23: >Dear all, > >our General Assembly last Saturday was well attended. You find a Report from the Co-Chairs on the EURALO Workspace >https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi21_june_2008_ga_summary_minutes_by_the… > >Under Agenda item 10 we discussed the need for re-elections of some Board members as their one-year-period expired. According to the voting system of the May 07 elections, four Board members were elected for a 2-years-term: Jeanette Hofmann (Co-Chair, Wolf Ludwig (Co-Chair), Paco de Quito and Vittorio Bertola. > >The General Assembly in Paris suggested the re-election of the following candidates: > >-Rudi Vansnick > >-Bill Drake > >-Desiree Miloshevic > >-Annette Mühlberg > >If there are no objections expressed on this list within the next 7 days from today's posting, the candidates are considered as elected. In case of objections, an electronic vote will be held consecutively. > >Best regards, >Jeanette Hofmann and Wolf Ludwig > comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net Digitale Allemd http://blog.allmend.ch - EURALO https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe

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FW: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: alac review]] by Jeanette Hofmann
by At-Large Staff July 1, 2008

July 1, 2008

Mail by Jeanette Hofmann for the EURALO discuss list, forwarded by Staff. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fwd: Re: [EURO-Discuss] alac review] Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:06:16 +0100 From: Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette(a)wzb.eu> To: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Hi, I agree with Heike. It would be good to have a statement that challenges the report on methodological grounds. A second part of a statement could list a few goals we would like to see achieved in the context of the JPA termination. jeanette Heike Jensen wrote: > Thanks for posting the notes, Bill, but is that really the latest version? I > thought that you had reworked the text to make it more coherent? The below, > I think, is hard to understand for people who were not present at the > meeting. > > A point that I would like to reiterate in terms of our approach to the > review is that I think it would be important to distinguish between content > (are they suggesting what we would like them to suggest?) and methodology > (does their review make sense, and do they arrive at their conclusions in a > logical manner?). I think our criticism is most credible when concerned with > the latter. As for the former, I think we need to discuss whether we would > like to reiterate our suggestions, but in any case they should be clearly > set apart from our methodological critique. > > Heike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Drake" <william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> > To: "Discussion for At-Large Europe" <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] alac review > > > Hi, > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Wolf Ludwig > <wolf.ludwig(a)comunica-ch.net> wrote: > >> I agree with Vittorio that it would be much easier - especially for those >> who haven't >> been in Paris - to have some starting points already (otherwise it would >> habe been >> rather useless to sit together in Paris for almost two hours). We could >> use the "starting >> points" as a basis for further considerations and suggestions on the list. > > Ok then, by popular demand, below are the notes I received on the > initial discussion. I've left them in their raw state---there are > some general cross-cutting points about overall thrust and balance and > the target audience (believe we settled on the board wg) followed by > issue-specific points grouped under the section headings of the draft > summary report. Perhaps as a first step people could read the full > draft report and then provide any comments using these headings for > easy identification. After everything's on the table a few of us > could form a drafting group to massage the inputs into an integrated > text. I'll volunteer to be part of that group. > >> I suggest that afterwards we give about 10-14 days for discussion >> to come up with a consolidated and final EURALO Statement >> around 15 July. > > Some time is needed between discussion/inputs and production of a > statement, so unless there's some urgency relating to the board > wg/Westlake production schedule I'd suggest we think in terms of the > week of the 21st for the latter. If others will be in Meissen for > Wolfgang's Internet governance summer school, we could even finalize > in person. And of course the resulting text should be cleared through > list before sending it off. In any event, since this will be Euralo's > first substantive output we should ensure we get the process right and > help set a foundation for future work. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ------------ > > Express concerns: > Staff several layers of indirectness > Budget independence > Positive, points we agree with > What should have been looked at > Giving some recommendations > Individual memberships > Participation of users > Voting rights on supporting organizations (gnso) and board > Surprise about statements the range is not wide ahistorical > > Who to address: > The Westlake group? > The Board? > > > Process: > Conflict of interests the very staff who is responsible > > You did not examine the role of staff: > > The procedure of the selection of the reviewer was not transparent. > > Although the review was mandated by the bylaws, the date of reviewing > was unlucky because it reviewed the interim alac. > > 1. The way the contract was done. > 2. Allocation in management of the contract > 3. Timing of the report (mandated by bylaws) > 4. Relationship to staff dependency conflict of interests > 5. Not everyone has been interviewed > 6. Skope: Terms of reference > > Assessment of key factors affecting alac s effectiveness: > Staff, > History, individual membership > Constitutional question of role of alac > At-Large structure participation > Democratizing icann > Budget > Focus on the committee itself > The skope is weak in terms analyzing of the relationship of the > committee board and constituent membership at-large > > Promote web > Did they not get it by accident or did they not get it because they > were instructed to not get it. > > Introduction: > Procedural points: > > History of the ALAC starts in 1999. That means you cannot look at the > ALAC without looking at the At-Large. > > Purpose of alac > The good part of the review is they mention accountability of icann > Give representation of the users in icann > Terms of reference > > Structural options: > The range of options considered where at some place excentric, and > other options promoting the bottom up involvement of users (which make > more sense were not mentioned.) > They should be transparent about the options chosen from the data they > collected. As it is clear that other options have been mentioned. > > > Geography: > Positive, that they looked at the population and to find a way of good > user´s representation. > It would be adv > Problem of pure numeric representation should be mentioned. > Different cultures, languages, political structures. > A very non-scientific approach. Methodologically unsophisticated. > Resolution premature, and it would be best to take that issue up in > icanns larger regional represantation. > No reference had been made to former studies on geographic regional > representation (sub-organisations). > > Future developments of growing number of ALSes were not taken into account. > > > ALAC influence: > Ok > > Board liaison: > Voting: We find that the logic is amusing/ flawed. If having a vote > hampers consensus building on the board than all of the stakeholders > should > All board members should be treated equally > A vote on the board > While we understand the concern that giving a vote to a committee that > might change its status of the ALAC this will not change the procedure > of consensus building. > The gac was offered voting rights, they did not want. > (Later: maybe a clear statement: We would like to have it.) > > The quote: "`to act in what [directors] reasonably believe ar the best > interests of ICANN and not as.`" > > Secondly we find the conclusion that giving alac a vote would dilute > rather than increase its influence because of the duty to serve the > interest of Icann > Is based on a false dichotomy. > Alac members are fully invested in ICANN's mission and tasks. There is > no contradiction between serving ICANN's interests and representing At > Large interests. > We support the suggestion to allocate staff support on a regional > basis. The effectiveness of staff support is more depend on quality > than quantity. In addition, we have further observations. > 1. The consultant should review the processes of appointing staff for > ALAC and RALOs to see whether those processes are in line with the > goal to create a supporting structure for ALAC and REALOS. > 2. The consultant should look into the matter of budget allocation and > particularly review the procedure of decision making to allocate the > budget and investigate whether those structures allows ALAC and RALOs > to fulfill their function. > > Due to the late delivery of the report, there was no time to consult > with all of our members. For this reason, we reserve the right to > prepare further statements in the next few days. > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… .org > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… .org > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org ------ End of Forwarded Message

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Bulgaria moves to register Cyrillic Internet domain
by Dessi Pefeva July 1, 2008

July 1, 2008

I am happy to announce that the Bulgarian government has shown officially its intent to register the .?? (.bg in Cyrillic) domain. They did it in a letter, sent yesterday to ICANN's President Paul Twomey. This is due also thanks to the efforts of ISOC-Bulgaria. Bulgarian President, Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, and the Minister of ITC are all members of ISOC. They have talked on a number of times in the past six months with ISOC.bg on these issues. Obviously the conversations have been fruitful. See more information here: http://uk.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUKL2360195920080623 And this is the official press-release from the ITC Agency: Bulgaria has requested the registration of a Cyrillic top level domain (TLD) from _ICANN_ <http://www.icann.org/>. The letter from the chairman of the Bulgarian State Agency for Information Technologies and Communicatoins (_SAITC_ <http://www.daits.government.bg/>) Plamen Vatchkov to the president of ICANN Paul Twomey was delivered today, June 23^rd , 2008, in Paris via the Bulgarian representative to the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN, and was distributed for information only in Geneva where the ITU is headquartered. Thus Bulgaria requested the fast track for implementation of its own Cyrillic IDNs. In the letter to the ICANN President, the SAITC chairman informs the authoritative international organization, dealing with assigned names and numbers, that Bulgaria has decided to register and maintain the country code .?? (bg in Cyrillic) Further in the letter, SAITC chairman informs that the discussion on using Cyrillic domain names was initiated by the President of Bulgaria Georgi Parvanov during the visit of the Russian President Putin and the then vice-prime minister, and now President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev during their visit in January 2008 in Sofia. The question was also discussed during meetings of Bulgarian Prime Minister Sergei Stanishev with the Russian counterparts, as well as during talks between foreign ministers Ivailo Kalfin and Sergei Lavrov. Last week, Russian President Medvedev announced in Moscow, that the issue of Cyrillic domain names is an important one, and on his political agenda. "We believe that the initiative, which we discussed with our Russian friends in the last months, is a clear fact about the importance which Bulgaria has in the world Internet. It is an example not only about the historical meaning of the Cyrillic alphabet in the world arena, but also about the fact that through Bulgaria it became an official alphabet of the European Union. By sending this letter to Dr. Twomey -- ICANN's president and my friend, SAITC expresses not only the wish, but the readiness to put the Cyrillic IDNs on the Internet map", says Plamen Vatchkov. "There's nothing more natural than the proposed domain to be the country code, which is already known and accepted in the country itself. Creating domains in scripts, different from the Latin, is the next big step in the development of the Internet, which will allow millions of people who don't use English to have easier access to the Global Net resources". SAITC is organizing a meeting later this year in Sofia, where all countries, using Cyrillic will be invited - Belarus, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Macedonia, Mongolia, Russia, Serbia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Ukraine. The meeting will be dedicated to discussion about IDNs. for more information: Press Center phone +359-2-9492368 "Ekaterina Popova" <epopova(a)daits.government.bg <mailto:epopova@daits.government.bg>> /Ms. Dessi Pefeva, Internet Society - Bulgaria/

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] user_s summit 2009 and icann committment to be user oriented
by Annette Muehlberg July 1, 2008

July 1, 2008

hi werner, yes, this allows us to be better prepared and anyhow i think that in mexico the conditions for running such a summit are much better. and of course, i am also counting on our latin american friends to be just wonderful hosts. best annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "W.Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" <huelsmann(a)datenschutzverein.de> > Gesendet: 26.06.08 20:47:55 > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] user_s summit 2009 and icann committment to be user oriented > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hallo liebe Annette, > > Annette Muehlberg schrieb: > > | We finally made it and will be able to organize a userŽs summit in > | Mexico, March 2009! > > Der Usersummit wird also vom angedachten Termin im November 2008 in > Kairo auf den März 2009 in Mexico verschoben? > > Das finde ich grundsätzlich in Ordnung. Denn es wäre sicher schwierig > gewesen den US (blöde Abkürzung :-) ) in nur vier Monaten zu organisieren. > > Liebe Grüße, > > Werner > > > #################################################### > Vorratsdatenspeicherung? Nein Danke! - Noch ist es > nicht zu spät: http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de > #################################################### > > - -- > > Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann > Vorstandsmitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. > Obere Laube 48 - D-78462 Konstanz > Tel.: 07531 / 365905-6 Mobil: 0179 / 46 86 484 > E-Mail: huelsmann(a)datenschutzverein.de > http://www.datenschutzverein.de > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIY+Q7M1J18ejmiesRAkwLAJ4qywwFXEHCGT6q9Jspz3mf7N5nSQCgjAFP > Oe6ObyxT4sLupegKGOz8SaA= > =D34t > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > --

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