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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 28, 2007

May 28, 2007

I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention. Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts? On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote: > Dear list > > Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007. > > What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder. > > Any comments? > > Wolfgang > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] > Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 > An: sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe > Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > > > Sébastien, Wolfgang, > > I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are > working on .berlin > what is the current plan? > > best > annette > > > Sébastien Bachollet schrieb: > > Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. > > About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the > > meeting especially because we started some work on .paris. > > > > I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the > > ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach > > meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea. > > > > I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting > > in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo. > > > > All the best > > > > > > Sébastien Bachollet > > Président > > sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr > > www.egeni.org > > www.isoc.fr > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang > > Kleinwächter > > Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 > > À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick > > Ashton-Hart > > Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss > > Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > > > Sorry I forgot the proposals: > > > > 1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical > > TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: > > The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a > > growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) > > and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local > > government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create > > consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a > > resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or > > .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect > > that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the > > GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the > > user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the > > preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. > > > > 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis > > (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, > > October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and > > other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and > > invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input > > from ISOC Europe is welcome. > > > > Best > > > > wolfgang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i > > cann.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 27, 2007

May 27, 2007

I had a long convo with Diane in MdR on Friday to help her get the schedule finalised. I should have dates/times/etc shortly. Also: All our sessions will be available for remote participation, for those who cannot attend in person. We'll have recordings available also, after the sessions are over. On 26/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote: > Tuesday would be fine, but please let me know as soon as possible that I can inform the panelists. > > Best > > w > > ________________________________ > > Från: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] > Skickat: lö 2007-05-26 00:15 > Till: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' > Ämne: RE: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > > > Sunday is the same day as the LACRALO and NARALO meetings, so they won't be > able to make it Sunday. > Check with Nick - the last day he suggested to me was Tuesday afternoon... > not sure how the schedule is running now - I haven't seen a full draft yet. > Jacqueline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang > [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:29 PM > To: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com; Discussion for At-Large Europe > Subject: SV: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > Thanks Jackie > > there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed > Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin > wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets > hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement. > > best > > w > > > ________________________________ > > Från: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. > Morris > Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 > Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' > Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > > > Hello everyone > I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with > each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an > ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot > issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint > ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I > didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we > talking about conflating the two into one? > They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The > event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. > Jacqueline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM > To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between > gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. > This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to > foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we > should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the > average attendee. > > Cheers, > Roberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On > > Behalf Of William Drake > > Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 > > To: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe > > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > > > A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set > > more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me. > > > > BD > > > > > > On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" > > <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> wrote: > > > > > I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two > > > events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very > > > different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them > > > separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and > > > therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single > > > timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two > > constituencies jointly > > > convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the > > > 'one voice' benefits you mention. > > > > > > Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts? > > > > > > On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org > > > <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote: > > >> Dear list > > >> > > >> Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the > > Non-Commercial User > > >> Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF > > >> consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on > > Freedom of > > >> Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007. > > >> > > >> What do you think, should we consider to do the two > > workshops under > > >> one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The > > two workshops > > >> are totally independent but complement each other. Each > > unit would be > > >> responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint > > >> advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. > > And we would > > >> give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, > > that th voice > > >> of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder. > > >> > > >> Any comments? > > >> > > >> Wolfgang > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> > > >> Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] > > >> Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 > > >> An: sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe > > >> Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang > > >> Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Sébastien, Wolfgang, > > >> > > >> I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD > > meeting, as we are > > >> working on .berlin what is the current plan? > > >> > > >> best > > >> annette > > >> > > >> > > >> Sébastien Bachollet schrieb: > > >>> Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 > > important points. > > >>> About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up > > >>> the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris. > > >>> > > >>> I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming > > 8th meeting > > >>> of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an > > >>> EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - > > 15.00) but I think is a good idea. > > >>> > > >>> I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just > > before the Icann > > >>> meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also > > something about Euralo. > > >>> > > >>> All the best > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sébastien Bachollet > > >>> Président > > >>> sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr > > >>> www.egeni.org > > >>> www.isoc.fr > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Message d'origine----- > > >>> De : euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >>> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De > > la part de > > >>> Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : > > >>> Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large > > Europe; Nick > > >>> Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: > > >>> [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > >>> > > >>> Sorry I forgot the proposals: > > >>> > > >>> 1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on > > >>> geographical > > >>> TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. > > Consumer Choice: > > >>> The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in > > Lisbon, there > > >>> is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, > > .cym, .sco, > > >>> .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour > > and against. > > >>> In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de > > argues that > > >>> .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal > > parliament > > >>> just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, > > >>> .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more > > competition > > >>> and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board > > if it has to > > >>> take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy > > paper and the > > >>> GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user > > perspective > > >>> and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the > > preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. > > >>> > > >>> 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN > > >>> Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an > > EURALO outreach > > >>> meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central > > and Eastern > > >>> Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me > > >>> contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I > > will work > > >>> together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC > > Europe is welcome. > > >>> > > >>> Best > > >>> > > >>> wolfgang > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> EURO-Discuss mailing list > > >>> EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >>> > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge > > >>> -lists.i > > >>> cann.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> EURO-Discuss mailing list > > >> EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge- > > >> lists.ic > > >> ann.org > > >> > > >> Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> <http://www.euralo.org/> > > > >> > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > > William J. 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Re: [EURO-Discuss] {Spam?} Re: chair
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 26, 2007

May 26, 2007

I am also sure that her intention was to be constructive; I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware that the enthusiasm for moving forward needed to be channeled a bit differently in order to avoid a conflict with the Bylaws ;) On 26/05/07, karen banks <karenb(a)gn.apc.org> wrote: > > hi everyone > > first, can i add my (belated) thanks to all and congratulations to the > board members.. four of us (jeanette, wolf, bill and myself) were in geneva > last week for the WSIS/IGF meetings.. > > At 13:03 26/05/2007, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > Per Clause 9.4 of the Bylaws of the EURALO, it is for the board > members to elect the Chair and Vice-Chair, so I'm afraid that this > proposal is not in order. > as a relative newcomer to the space, i appreciate the procedures being > clarified.. thanks nick > > but, i also appreciate annette's evident enthusiasm and wishing us now to > move forward - and i imagine that was the spirit of her proposal.. > > karen > > > > On 26/05/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg(a)web.de> wrote: > > all, > > now that we have a board we should clarify who becomes the chair. > > > > looking at the ranking of the board members jeanette and wolf are > > predestinated to take the responsibility of the euralo chair. as > > jeanette already indicated that she would be willing to do some work but > > not take the full responsibility as chair, i think it would be great if > > wolf would be willing to serve as chair. > > > > if wolf accepts and there are no objections until friday - we actually > > would have finished our procedural issues ;-) > > > > best > > annette > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > > > > > -- > -- > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Apologies
by Roberto Gaetano May 26, 2007

May 26, 2007

I had a long and useful exchange of emails with Thomas. We did not resolve our divergencies, we sort of "agreed that we disagree", but on one point I have to admit he was right. Thomas pointed out that in one of our messages I have made a false statement, or at least a misleading one. Digging in my folders, I have found the message and the sentence, which is "Incidentally, can we have a list of who can speak, as we have for the time being already excluded Nick, as staff, and yours truly, as Board member, but ...". I recognize that this would imply that somebody has attempted to shut me up. This has never happened, as the criticism to what I have said, by Thomas and everybody else, has always remained within the limit of the debate among people who have strong opinions and are passionate about the issues. Please accept my apologies for the unfair sentence above. Best regards, Roberto

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] chair
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 26, 2007

May 26, 2007

Per Clause 9.4 of the Bylaws of the EURALO, it is for the board members to elect the Chair and Vice-Chair, so I'm afraid that this proposal is not in order. On 26/05/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg(a)web.de> wrote: > all, > now that we have a board we should clarify who becomes the chair. > > looking at the ranking of the board members jeanette and wolf are > predestinated to take the responsibility of the euralo chair. as > jeanette already indicated that she would be willing to do some work but > not take the full responsibility as chair, i think it would be great if > wolf would be willing to serve as chair. > > if wolf accepts and there are no objections until friday - we actually > would have finished our procedural issues ;-) > > best > annette > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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chair
by Annette Muehlberg May 26, 2007

May 26, 2007

all, now that we have a board we should clarify who becomes the chair. looking at the ranking of the board members jeanette and wolf are predestinated to take the responsibility of the euralo chair. as jeanette already indicated that she would be willing to do some work but not take the full responsibility as chair, i think it would be great if wolf would be willing to serve as chair. if wolf accepts and there are no objections until friday - we actually would have finished our procedural issues ;-) best annette

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 25, 2007

May 25, 2007

Sunday doesn't work well schedule-wise; the LAC GA will be going on all day, and the North American RALO meeting all day Sunday as well. On 25/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote: > Thanks Jackie > > there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement. > > best > > w > > > ________________________________ > > Från: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. Morris > Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 > Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' > Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > > > Hello everyone > I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with > each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an > ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot > issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint > ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I > didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we > talking about conflating the two into one? > They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The > event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. > Jacqueline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM > To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between > gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. > This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to > foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we > should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the > average attendee. > > Cheers, > Roberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On > > Behalf Of William Drake > > Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 > > To: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe > > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > > > A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set > > more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me. > > > > BD > > > > > > On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" > > <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> wrote: > > > > > I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two > > > events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very > > > different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them > > > separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and > > > therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single > > > timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two > > constituencies jointly > > > convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the > > > 'one voice' benefits you mention. > > > > > > Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts? > > > > > > On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org > > > <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote: > > >> Dear list > > >> > > >> Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the > > Non-Commercial User > > >> Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF > > >> consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on > > Freedom of > > >> Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007. > > >> > > >> What do you think, should we consider to do the two > > workshops under > > >> one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The > > two workshops > > >> are totally independent but complement each other. Each > > unit would be > > >> responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint > > >> advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. > > And we would > > >> give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, > > that th voice > > >> of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder. > > >> > > >> Any comments? > > >> > > >> Wolfgang > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> > > >> Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] > > >> Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 > > >> An: sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe > > >> Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang > > >> Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Sébastien, Wolfgang, > > >> > > >> I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD > > meeting, as we are > > >> working on .berlin what is the current plan? > > >> > > >> best > > >> annette > > >> > > >> > > >> Sébastien Bachollet schrieb: > > >>> Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 > > important points. > > >>> About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up > > >>> the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris. > > >>> > > >>> I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming > > 8th meeting > > >>> of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an > > >>> EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - > > 15.00) but I think is a good idea. > > >>> > > >>> I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just > > before the Icann > > >>> meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also > > something about Euralo. > > >>> > > >>> All the best > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sébastien Bachollet > > >>> Président > > >>> sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr > > >>> www.egeni.org > > >>> www.isoc.fr > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Message d'origine----- > > >>> De : euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >>> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De > > la part de > > >>> Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : > > >>> Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large > > Europe; Nick > > >>> Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: > > >>> [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up > > >>> > > >>> Sorry I forgot the proposals: > > >>> > > >>> 1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on > > >>> geographical > > >>> TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. > > Consumer Choice: > > >>> The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in > > Lisbon, there > > >>> is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, > > .cym, .sco, > > >>> .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour > > and against. > > >>> In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de > > argues that > > >>> .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal > > parliament > > >>> just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, > > >>> .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more > > competition > > >>> and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board > > if it has to > > >>> take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy > > paper and the > > >>> GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user > > perspective > > >>> and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the > > preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. > > >>> > > >>> 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN > > >>> Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an > > EURALO outreach > > >>> meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central > > and Eastern > > >>> Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me > > >>> contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I > > will work > > >>> together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC > > Europe is welcome. > > >>> > > >>> Best > > >>> > > >>> wolfgang > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> EURO-Discuss mailing list > > >>> EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >>> > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge > > >>> -lists.i > > >>> cann.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> EURO-Discuss mailing list > > >> EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge- > > >> lists.ic > > >> ann.org > > >> > > >> Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > > >> > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > > William J. Drake drake(a)hei.unige.ch > > Director, Project on the Information > > Revolution and Global Governance/PSIO > > Graduate Institute for International Studies > > Geneva, Switzerland > > http://hei.unige.ch/psio/researchprojects/Drake.html > > *********************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_a > tlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i > cann.org > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 > 4:01 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 > 4:01 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] [EURO-ALS] At-Large EURALO 2007 Election Results
by Izumi AIZU May 25, 2007

May 25, 2007

First, congratulations to the whole people around EURALO, not only those who are elected, but participated, and maybe frustrated to some extent, but as someone wrote, you now have the outcome. I was elected as an ALAC from AP RALO in March before Lisbon meeting, from "interim" to more "legitimate" member, and now that we lost Vittorio, Wendy and kind of myself are only two "incumbents" squatting on ALAC. I am quite aware of this and looking for good rationale and also good exit. My rationale has been the quick and many turnovers, so many ALAC members have changed, giving some sort of instability, which is not all bad, but we at APRALO thought maintaining some stability be better. I am bit concerned that we may lose some "corporate memory" and that is another reason for me to stay. Given the ALAC review is coming, I think however radical we may try to change ALAC, and I am one of them to hope that to happen, I still like to share some lessons from the past, in order not to reinvent the wheels. Well, in any case, Thanks Vittorio for your many years of service especially as the first Chair, and for your hard work. We have a lot of homeworks, indeed. izumi 2007/5/25, Hawa Diakite <hawadiakite(a)gmail.com>: > > Afralo congratulate Euralo and wellcome Sebastian and Veronica to the ALAC > Committee > best for all > Hawa > > > 2007/5/23, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg(a)web.de>: > > Congratulations and welcome to our two new ALAC members Veronica and > > Sebastien! > > > > And a lot of thanks for the work Vittorio has done! > > > > Congratulations to all EURALO board members! > > > > As Wolfgang pointed out: the time of work on substantial issues has > > started. Let us make a list of issues for our workplan including time > lines. > > > > All the best > > > > Annette > > > > Kleinwa"chter schrieb: > > > First of all congratulations to all elected. We went through a > complicated process but at the end of the day we have been sucessful to to > build a structure and to elect a leadership for our EURALO and to give > legitimacy to our two reps in the ALAC. > > > > > > Looking at the results I am also happy that at the end of the day the > principle of geographical and cultural diversity is reflected in the final > outcome. I am also satisfied that we have a good balance of different > institutions in the EURALO Board. This gives us a great opportunity to move > now from the discussion of procedural issues to issues of substance. I am > sure that this discussion will produce much more unity than we had in the > procedural debate. > > > > > > I would also invite Patrick, even if he was not elected, to give his > energy and knowledge to the EURALO process. There is no need to have a > position to give input to the process. And the at large community lives to a > high degree from individual contributions. > > > > > > Next step would be the drafting of a workplan. I would also encourage a > discussion on a strategy paper with some mid-term goals and milestones. As > you have seen there are two European ICANN meeting scheduled now fro 2008 > and 2009. This should be seen as a challenge for EURALO not only to show the > face but to bring fresh ideas and actions to the ICANN process. > > > > > > Hope we have some time in San Juan to discuss the next concrete steps. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > wolfgang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Von: euro-als-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org im > Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart > > > Gesendet: Mo 21.05.2007 16:43 > > > An: Europe Discuss; euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Cc: policy(a)icann.org; At-Large Worldwide; > secretariat(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Betreff: [EURO-ALS] At-Large EURALO 2007 Election Results > > > > > > > > > Dear All: > > > > > > I'm pleased to report the results of the 2007 EURALO Elections. > > > > > > ALAC COMMITTEE: > > > > > > 2-year Term: CRETU, Veronica > > > 1-year Term: BACHOLLET, Sebastian > > > > > > EURALO BOARD > > > > > > Number of Seats Chosen: All Candidates (from a selection by ballot of 5, > 7, 9, or all candidates) > > > > > > Members Elected (in order of election, taking into account Bylaw > requirement of nationality diversity with respect to first 5 seats) > > > > > > HOFMANN, Jeannette > > > LUDWIG, Wolf > > > BERTOLA, Vittorio > > > DE QUITO, Paco > > > MILOSHEVIC, Desiree > > > BRUCH, Christophe > > > BANKS, Karen > > > DRAKE, Bill > > > VANSNICK, Rudi > > > > > > Whilst Sebastian Bachollet and Veronica Cretu were also candidates for > board seats, the elections process agreed on was that those elected to ALAC > seats would not also occupy board seats, though they would be able to attend > board meetings. > > > > > > For those who wish to review the details of the election, and to ensure > independent verification of the results published, the voting system > provides a URL as follows: > > > > > > > http://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=YZMs83SWNAgmq75TMXUb > > > > > > The procedures related to the election can be found at: > > > > > > > https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_elections_2007 > > > > > > Since one-half of the EURALO board was to be elected every year, as per > the Bylaws for the region adopted in Lisbon, it was submitted for > consideration by the ICANN staff that the top 1/2 (rounded to the nearest > whole number) would serve a 2-year term, and the bottom 1/2 a 1-year term. > Given the number of members of the board, that procedure would not resolve > whether the top 4, or 5, would be serving 2-years. Perhaps the region will > allow the board, in its first meeting, to decide this question. > > > > > > On behalf of the staff of ICANN may I extend extend our congratulations > to the newly-elected officers and wish them the best in their new roles. I > look forward to working with them all. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org > > > > > > -- > IGF > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for HyperNetwork Society Kumon Center, Tama University * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org

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Streamlining of email lists
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 25, 2007

May 25, 2007

Dear All: In the most recent meeting of the At-Large Advisory Committee, it was resolved to simplify the worldwide set of email lists and to delete the -ALS lists in each region, leaving only the -Discuss lists. This will be done today FYI. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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COMMENTS NEEDED: Terms of Reference for ALAC Review
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 24, 2007

May 24, 2007

Dear All: More big news for At-Large: http://www.icann.org/announcements/ announcement-1-30mar07.htm The Independent Review Terms of Reference are very important - I hope all of you will comment on them so that your views can be taken into account when the final terms of reference are drafted. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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