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European Region WiKi
by Nick Ashton-Hart Dec. 5, 2006

Dec. 5, 2006

Hello all! You're about to get an invitation to a new Wiki that's been setup for the European Region - actually, every region is getting one - which is setup in a 'fishbowl' mode. The idea is that all ALSes can edit the site, but the general public can only view it. Before too long, the www.euralo.org website will point to the wiki. Why? Simple - so the community can manage and maintain its own online home, allowing those it wishes to edit to be able to do so, and giving the general public open transparent access without the problems of bots erasing work, or adding porn, which we now experience on the WECANN! wiki. Once everyone has an account I would very much like to move the RALO documents over to this wiki. The bot activity on the WECANN site is getting worse. The last updates I did a few weeks ago I actually had to do twice - bots came in and changed the text literally during my edits. This is another step - the mailing lists being the first - in providing transparent, user-manageable information tools. We hope you like it! -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nashton(a)spamcop.net Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
by Nick Ashton-Hart Nov. 29, 2006

Nov. 29, 2006

Depends upon what you meant by the line: did you mean that I was altering the text, as I mentioned? If so, that's how I remember it and I did already make that change. That's the only clarifying I remember that I was to do. Nick On 29/11/06, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch(a)humanistische-union.de> wrote: > Hi Nick: > > I rephrased the sentence concerning the criteria for the place of > incorporation. > > Did I get you right, you are objecting to the sentence > "Will clarify his suggestion: role and relationship of GA and standing > committee"? > > I will delete this sentence if that is the case. > > Christoph > > > ______________________________________________ > Dr. Christoph Bruch Humanistische Union > Neue Christstr. 6 Greifswalder Str. 4 > 14059 Berlin 10405 Berlin > Tel/Fax: (030) 32103282Tel: (030) 20450256 > Fax: (030) 20450257 > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: euralo-ml-bounces(a)euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im > Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. November 2006 23:10 > An: EURALO Mailing-List; euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Betreff: Re: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws > > Just a couple of points: > > On place of incorporation, I didn't suggest those two criteria, those > were the criteria which were decided upon in Berlin (minor point but I > thought I'd mention it). > > With respect to the General Assembly: I don't believe I was to clarify > the role with respect to the Standing Committee, except for the > one-word change which was suggested (which is on the Wiki). Perhaps > that's what you meant Christophe :) > > On 28/11/06, bruch <bruch(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > please find attached my notes from the Athens meeting. > > > > I marked them as draft in case any of the participants has additions or > > corrections. > > > > Best > > > > Christoph > > > > > > _____________________ > > Dr. Christoph Bruch > > Neue Christstr. 6 > > 14059 Berlin > > Tel./Fax: +49 (0)30 - 3210 3282 > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: euralo-ml-bounces(a)euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im > > Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart > > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. November 2006 16:28 > > An: EURALO Mailing-List > > Cc: philippe(a)epistrophe.fr > > Betreff: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws > > > > Hello everyone! > > > > I'm sorry it has taken this long to get back to you after the IGF Meeting, > > but we are in the throes of preparing for the Sao Paulo meeting which is > > consuming pretty much everyone in any way connected with it. You will at > > some point be receiving further notes from this meeting courtesy of > > Christophe Bruch. > > > > I have updated the Wiki - removing more bot spam - and including the > > amendments which were discussed and agreed by the participants in the EU > ALS > > Meeting at the Internet Governance Forum. Of course anyone is completely > > within their rights to put forward a contrary view. > > > > What was suggested at that meeting, to make it easier to see changes > > proposed in these last stages of editing the text, is that new text would > be > > in BOLD, and deleted text would be in brackets and ITALICISED. > > > > Accordingly you will find that there are a few bold provisions now - and > > there are details in the annotated discussion page showing the history of > > revisions. > > > > As you'll see below, we are technically at the end of the period for > > proposing further edits to the text. However, I have been to busy to do > all > > of the work associated with the various stages. The Sao Paulo meeting is > in > > 10 days and I know several of us will be fully engaged in preparing to go > to > > it. > > > > May I suggest the following: > > > > 1) The two week period for putting forward additional provisions is > > continued through the 10th December. > > > > 2) At that point, I will send out the summaries as provided below for the > > week of the 20th - 26th November, and the following week we will proceed > as > > if it was the period from 27th November to 3 December. > > > > This will still allow us to (hopefully) conclude the Bylaws by the end of > > the year. > > > > Naturally any thoughts that anyone has are most welcomed! > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nashton(a)spamcop.net> > > Date: 1 November 2006 17:52:41 GMT > > To: "EURALO Mailing-List" <euralo-ml(a)euralo.eu> > > Subject: Procedure for Completing Work on the Bylaws > > > > Good evening all: > > > > As a number of you have noted, there is a necessity for additional > > time to be inserted in the procedure that was proposed (and which > no > > objections were raised about). After talking with Annette, > Roberto, > > and others, we propose that the first stage would insert an > > additional > > two weeks into the phase which was to conclude this Monday. > > > > This, then, would be the timeline, which of course will be > discussed > > tomorrow: > > > > PERIOD THROUGH 19th NOVEMBER > > > > During this period: > > > > 1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they: > > a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the > objection, > > and > > propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for > direct > > inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the > objection; > > b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the > > change – > > send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and > the > > reasons for proposing the addition.. > > c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly > > whether > > it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment. > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE > > WILL > > BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to > > change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note > and > > ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted. > > > > As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the > > Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the > > email > > in which the proposal was made. > > > > Nick will send a reminder email at the beginning of the week of > the > > 13th November, reminding everyone that one week remains to make > the > > comments requested above. He will place a call to each ALS > > representative during the course of the week to make sure they > > understand the process, and to offer any assistance in drafting > that > > may be required if they have an issue. He will also ask if any > ALS > > is > > happy to let the others decide on the remaining issues; where an > ALS > > states that is the case, Nick will tell them that they need to > make > > that clear by a posting to the list. Of course, any ALS may change > > their mind about this at any point; we just want everyone to know > > that > > none of the ALSes have somehow missed out on what is going on. > > > > WEEK OF 20-26 NOVEMBER > > > > At the beginning of the week, Nick will send out: > > > > 1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been > > received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The > email > > will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if > no > > objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for > > which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be > presumed > > to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments. > > 2) An individual email for each section where there are > > multiple > > options, or where amendments have been suggested, with > instructions > > at > > the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the > week: > > > > 1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw > > attention to them; > > 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw > > attention > > to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of > > acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred, > > and > > the last option chosen being least preferred. > > 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the > same > > effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one > > option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on > > the > > table". > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element. > SILENCE > > WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to > again > > make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for > > responding, > > or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any > issues > > to > > raise otherwise. > > > > As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in, > Nick > > will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the > > date > > and subject of the email in which the proposal was made. > > > > WEEK OF 27 NOVEMBER - 3 DECEMBER > > > > At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of > > comments/objections received in the previous week on the various > > individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were > > selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most > acceptable > > will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent > > out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week > > and > > covering the same areas of the text > > > > 1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with > no > > comments received or objections raised, if no objections were > made, > > that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for > amendments. > > 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if > no > > objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be > > assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments. > > 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary > of > > the > > comments received will be provided. The group will then have to > > decide > > on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of > disagreement. > > > > The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of > > the > > whole text, to allow reading of it there. > > > > ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is > > proposed > > not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the > interest > > of > > finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a > > positive > > vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very > > complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a > > consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want > > everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's > point > > of > > view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will > > telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody > has > > accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes > > can > > be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the > bylaws. > > > > ---- > > The following was the procedure as originally proposed. It is > > reproduced here so that everyone can see the variations between > what > > is above, which are minor, and the original: > > > > > > WEEK OF 9-15 OCTOBER > > > > Nick will edit the text on the Wiki so that the source of all > > changes > > from the text as at the end of the Berlin Meeting on 17th > September > > are clearly documented. This will include showing the proposer of > > the > > change, the date and subject line of the email in which the change > > is > > discussed, so that it is easier and more transparent process-wise > > for > > everyone to understand the evolution of the document, especially > > with > > the rapid development of the last two weeks. > > > > Once this is done, he will > > > > 1) Announce that the changes just mentioned have been made, and in > > that announcement also send out the following documents: > > > > 1) The text as at the end of the 17th September meeting, in > > Microsoft > > Word, with the changes necessary to correct English grammar and > > style > > errors shown as redlined additions and deletions from the text; > > 2) The same text, with all the necessary English revisions > > approved, > > so that it is easy to read the output. > > > > The email will also let people know that in the coming week: > > > > 1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they: > > a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the > objection, > > and > > propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for > direct > > inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the > objection; > > b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the > > change – > > send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and > the > > reasons for proposing the addition.. > > c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly > > whether > > it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment. > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE > > WILL > > BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to > > change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note > and > > ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted. > > > > As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the > > Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the > > email > > in which the proposal was made. > > > > WEEK OF 16-22 OCTOBER > > > > Nick will send a reminder email to everyone to ask him or her to > > make > > the comments as requested immediately above during the course of > the > > week. He will then place a call to each ALS representative during > > the > > course of the week to make sure they understand the process, and > to > > offer any assistance in drafting that may be required if they have > > an > > issue. He will also ask if any ALS is happy to let the others > > decide > > on the remaining issues; where an ALS states that is the case, > Nick > > will tell them that they need to make that clear by a posting to > the > > list. Of course, any ALS may change their mind about this at any > > point; we just want everyone to know that none of the ALSes have > > somehow missed out on what is going on. > > > > At the end of the week, Nick will send out: > > > > 1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been > > received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The > email > > will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if > no > > objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for > > which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be > presumed > > to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments. > > 2) An individual email for each section where there are > > multiple > > options, or where amendments have been suggested, with > instructions > > at > > the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the > week: > > > > 1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw > > attention to them; > > 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw > > attention > > to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of > > acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred, > > and > > the last option chosen being least preferred. > > 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the > same > > effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one > > option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on > > the > > table". > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element. > SILENCE > > WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to > again > > make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for > > responding, > > or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any > issues > > to > > raise otherwise. > > > > As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in, > Nick > > will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the > > date > > and subject of the email in which the proposal was made. > > > > WEEK OF 23-29 OCTOBER > > > > At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of > > comments/objections received in the previous week on the various > > individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were > > selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most > acceptable > > will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent > > out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week > > and > > covering the same areas of the text > > > > 1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with > no > > comments received or objections raised, if no objections were > made, > > that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for > amendments. > > 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if > no > > objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be > > assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments. > > 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary > of > > the > > comments received will be provided. The group will then have to > > decide > > on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of > disagreement. > > > > The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of > > the > > whole text, to allow reading of it there. > > > > ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is > > proposed > > not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the > interest > > of > > finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a > > positive > > vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very > > complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a > > consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want > > everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's > point > > of > > view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will > > telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody > has > > accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes > > can > > be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the > bylaws. > > > > -- > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > > PO Box 32160 > > London N4 2XY > > United Kingdom > > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > > Skype: nashtonhart > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Euralo-ML mailing list > > Euralo-ML(a)euralo.eu > > http://lists.euralo.eu/mailman/listinfo/euralo-ml > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > FESTIVE GREETINGS! As per usual, in lieu of cards for friends and > colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans > Frontieres, to help them provide medical care to those much less > fortunate than ourselves. > _______________________________________________ > Euralo-ML mailing list > Euralo-ML(a)euralo.eu > http://lists.euralo.eu/mailman/listinfo/euralo-ml > > _______________________________________________ > Euralo-ML mailing list > Euralo-ML(a)euralo.eu > http://lists.euralo.eu/mailman/listinfo/euralo-ml > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart FESTIVE GREETINGS! As per usual, in lieu of cards for friends and colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans Frontieres, to help them provide medical care to those much less fortunate than ourselves.

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EURALO list completely incorporated into new list server
by Nick Ashton-Hart Nov. 29, 2006

Nov. 29, 2006

Hello all! I have now incorporated all subscribers in the old euralo-ml mailing list into the new european regional lists. euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org: Only accredited ALSes belong. euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org: all of those who are subscribed to euralo-ml are subscribed. Needless to say there are many other lists which you can subscribe to in the At Large world now - feel free - and also several useful new lists that you can send to and get the relevant staff people you need (travel-staff(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org is particularly useful; now only one email will get your TARF requests handled for example). The address for the lists is: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/ listinfo -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nashton(a)spamcop.net Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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